[Felvtalk] Stargate?
Sandy
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The Androgen Group-Anabolic Steroids
Veterinary & Aquatic Services Department, Drs. Foster & Smith
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This is from the Drs. Fosters & Smith website - for anyone interested
Sandy W
These compounds are related to the male hormone testosterone. They are referred to as the anabolic steroids because they cause the formation of new proteins. As we stated before, they are often abused by athletes trying to increase strength and muscle mass. Their use in canine medicine, while infrequent, is related to these and similar properties.
Anabolic steroids come in liquid forms for injection and tablets for oral administration. Two of the most commonly used in canine medicine are stanozolol (Winstrol-V) and nandrolone (DecaDurabolin).
Animals that have been sick for a long time or who have been through severe, debilitating injuries often have generalized weakness and atrophied muscles. In some, this has progressed to the point where the animals can no longer walk or even stand. Their bodies are just too run down, and without some outside stimulation, they simply may give up the will to live.
Anabolic steroids are sometimes useful in these situations. The therapy may take several weeks. The medications can be most helpful if the veterinarian recognizes the condition before too much strength is lost. Anabolic steroids assist the body in regaining its muscle mass by building new proteins, which are the primary constituent of muscle fibers. Additionally, they help strengthen existing muscles.
In some of these same cases, anabolic steroids are frequently used to stimulate the debilitated or recovering patient's appetite. To achieve this effect usually requires several days to several weeks of therapy for significant changes.
The anabolic steroids are also useful in treating certain types of anemia . Anemia is the term used to describe lower than normal numbers of red blood cells (RBCs). In certain cases where the bone marrow has stopped producing new RBCs, administration of anabolic steroids will stimulate this system and bring the number of these cells back to normal levels. They also are known to stimulate the production of white blood cells and platelets (tiny cells in blood that assist in clotting) to a lesser degree. In these situations, the anabolic steroids are useful only in increasing the numbers of these cells. They do not increase the ability of the cells to function .
Kidney failure often brings on anemia because these organs may fail to produce the substance erythropoietin. Its normal function is to monitor the level of RBCs in the body and to stimulate the bone marrow to increase production when RBC numbers are too low. In its absence, anabolic steroids are often useful in reversing the effects of this anemia. They do not cause new erythropoietin to be produced; they only replace its function.
In many situations, the anabolic steroids fail to provide the benefits described here. Regardless of which particular product is used, it is often impossible to reverse the condition present. These are not miracle drugs that can save every debilitated or severely ill patient, but in some they can help.
As stated, these medications are closely related to testosterone and many of the problems associated with their usage are brought on by the normal actions of the male hormones. They can cause cessation of heat cycles and imitation mounting behavior in females. In males, they have been found to increase the incidence of prostate disease and certain hernias and tumors that are caused by normal testosterone levels in older male dogs. Normal sperm production is often disrupted, with few new cells being formed. None of these problems are considered significant in these cases, as many of the patients are already in a life or death situation.
Anabolic steroids also cause water retention and this can cause additional complications in kidney or heart failure patients. These products also increase the absorption of calcium by the intestinal tract and cause the kidneys to retain calcium during normal urine production. Both of these actions lead to excessively high calcium levels in the blood which can be disastrous to normal heart function. This can be quickly fatal in those with already failing hearts.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bchapel at optonline.net>
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 4:40:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate?
An odd name for a drug... but... terrific if it really is Stanazalol and
you can get hold of it...
Your Kitty is lucky to have an owner so commited to his survival... I am
hoping hard that all your kind effort pays off... he AND you deserve
it.....
I don't know that it makes a difference which mode of administration is
used... though, generally, with drugs some of the dose is lost while
traveling through the digestive system and first pass through the liver
( though that will happen i)... so I'd be "inclined" more toward
injection if it's SubQ ( they hardly feel it) IM can be a bit more
painful and I'd want to know for certain that there are clear advantages
to this before I subjected a kitty to this... I'm so hoping fate and
luck are with you and your kitty...
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> ---- Amani Oakley wrote:
>> Marlene
>>
>> The suggestion of Winstrol/Doxy/Prednisone has been used repeatedly
>> on cats with leukemia and lymphoma. Also, Winstrol is very helpful
>> when a cat is not eating. Unfortunately, though there are other
>> steroids, I am not certain you will get the same result if you use
>> another steroid in place of the Winstrol. DO NOT USE another
>> antibiotic. Doxycycline interferes with the virus replication and is
>> added on to assist in retarding the reproduction of the virus, to
>> enable the Winstrol and prednisone to have an effect. It is not for a
>> secondary infection.
>> I find it bizarre that, over and over again, vets will dither while a
>> cat is dying. Put the cat on the meds, for goodness sake, and see the
>> response and if there isn?t an appreciable response after a
>> reasonable period of time, look for another option. But don?t have a
>> debate while the cat is declining. What's the worst that could
>> happen? It doesn?t work? What other options are they giving you???
>
> COULD IT BE THAT VETS ARE WORRIED ABOUT LAWSUITS IF ANYTHING GOES
> WRONG?
>>
>> I find it odd that the vets say Winstrol is illegal in Europe. If you
>> go on line, you will see that it can be ordered from places like
>> Germany.
>> If necessary, get your vets to put him on the other steroid, though I
>> really doubt it will assist - Winstrol uniquely causes the turning on
>> of blood cell production in the bone marrow - I don?t think there is
>> another steroid that does this. Then go ahead and order the Winstrol
>> online from Germany or wherever else it can be sourced. But don't
>> wait. The longer you wait, the worse the condition of your cat, thus
>> worsening the chances of anything working.
>>
>> Amani
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of marlene melpignano
>> Sent: November-01-17 4:29 AM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
>> immunomodulator - help
>>
>> Dear All,
>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma
>> or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have
>> a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a
>> university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in order to decide
>> whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>>
>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats?
>> Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>>
>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal
>> in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide
>> not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether
>> your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were
>> just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on; otherwise
>> they doubt about using doxycycline.
>>
>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be
>> done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of
>> today he is not eating ...
>> Thanks for your help Marl?ne
>>
>> Inviato da iPhone
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> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 23:28:40 -0500
> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or
> Lymphocyte T-cell
> immunomodulator - help
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> Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol,
> based on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him an
> appetite stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet,
> every 3rd day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the
> canned cat food that they sell for after surgeries - it is very
> calorie dense but I don't remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to
> clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a little. I did not want
> to do that because he didn't like having me do that, but I made up my
> mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food in him. I
> believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. When
> he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his
> kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is not
> legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the
> misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without
> the one thing that can help them. I
> t is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the
> Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the
> virus from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
>
> Ardy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of dlgegg at windstream.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
> immunomodulator - help
>
> Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had
> no problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
>
> ---- marlene melpignano wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma
>> or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have
>> a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a
>> university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in order to decide
>> whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>>
>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats?
>> Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>>
>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal
>> in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide
>> not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether
>> your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were
>> just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on; otherwise
>> they doubt about using doxycycline.
>>
>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be
>> done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of
>> today he is not eating ...
>> Thanks for your help Marl?ne
>>
>> Inviato da iPhone
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> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 10:03:38 +0000
> From: marlene melpignano To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject:
> Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
> immunomodulator - help
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> Dear all,
> Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called
> stargate. I found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I
> will go to Rome myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in
> Italy for felv cats.
> What is better, pills or injections? I thought of pills to cause less
> stress, but I read it may be more toxic for the liver compared to the
> injectable one .
> I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this
> afternoon just to get a better opinion than the Belgian one.
>
> Thanks all for your support.
> Best
> M&M
>
> Inviato da iPhone
>
>> Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson ha scritto:
>>
>> Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol,
>> based on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him an
>> appetite stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg
>> tablet, every 3rd day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him
>> the canned cat food that they sell for after surgeries - it is very
>> calorie dense but I don't remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to
>> clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a little. I did not want
>> to do that because he didn't like having me do that, but I made up my
>> mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food in him. I
>> believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. When
>> he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his
>> kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is
>> not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the
>> misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without
>> the one thing that can help them.
> It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the
> Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the
> virus from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
>>
>> Ardy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of dlgegg at windstream.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
>> immunomodulator - help
>>
>> Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had
>> no problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
>>
>> ---- marlene melpignano wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a
>>> lymphoma or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot
>>> even have a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to
>>> bring him to a university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in
>>> order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>>>
>>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats?
>>> Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>>>
>>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal
>>> in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide
>>> not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether
>>> your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or
>>> were just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on;
>>> otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.
>>>
>>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be
>>> done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of
>>> today he is not eating ...
>>> Thanks for your help Marl?ne
>>>
>>> Inviato da iPhone
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> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 8:21:32 -0500
> From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
> immunomodulator - help
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> Prayers for you and your baby.
>
> ---- marlene melpignano wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called
>> stargate. I found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I
>> will go to Rome myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in
>> Italy for felv cats.
>> What is better, pills or injections? I thought of pills to cause less
>> stress, but I read it may be more toxic for the liver compared to the
>> injectable one .
>> I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this
>> afternoon just to get a better opinion than the Belgian one.
>>
>> Thanks all for your support.
>> Best
>> M&M
>>
>> Inviato da iPhone
>>
>>> Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol,
>>> based on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him
>>> an appetite stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg
>>> tablet, every 3rd day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him
>>> the canned cat food that they sell for after surgeries - it is very
>>> calorie dense but I don't remember the name of it. Sometimes I had
>>> to clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a little. I did not
>>> want to do that because he didn't like having me do that, but I made
>>> up my mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food in
>>> him. I believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite
>>> stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice
>>> (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful
>>> that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against
>>> it because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties
>>> have to suffer without the one thing that can help the
> m. It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the
> Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the
> virus from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
>>>
>>> Ardy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On
>>> Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
>>> immunomodulator - help
>>>
>>> Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had
>>> no problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
>>>
>>> ---- marlene melpignano wrote:
>>>> Dear All,
>>>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a
>>>> lymphoma or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot
>>>> even have a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to
>>>> bring him to a university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in
>>>> order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>>>>
>>>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats?
>>>> Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the
>>>> cat?
>>>>
>>>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal
>>>> in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide
>>>> not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know
>>>> whether your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used
>>>> it or were just Felv + and also whether they had infections going
>>>> on; otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to
>>>> be done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As
>>>> of today he is not eating ...
>>>> Thanks for your help Marl?ne
>>>>
>>>> Inviato da iPhone
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> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 14:09:34 +0000
> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
> [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
> immunomodulator - help
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> Pills.
> Amani
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of marlene melpignano
> Sent: November-02-17 6:04 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
> immunomodulator - help
>
> Dear all,
> Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called
> stargate. I found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I
> will go to Rome myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in
> Italy for felv cats.
> What is better, pills or injections? I thought of pills to cause less
> stress, but I read it may be more toxic for the liver compared to the
> injectable one .
> I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this
> afternoon just to get a better opinion than the Belgian one.
>
> Thanks all for your support.
> Best
> M&M
>
> Inviato da iPhone
>
>> Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson ha scritto:
>>
>> Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol,
>> based on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him an
>> appetite stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg
>> tablet, every 3rd day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him
>> the canned cat food that they sell for after surgeries - it is very
>> calorie dense but I don't remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to
>> clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a little. I did not want
>> to do that because he didn't like having me do that, but I made up my
>> mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food in him. I
>> believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. When
>> he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his
>> kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is
>> not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the
>> misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without
>> the one thing that can help them.
> It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the
> Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the
> virus from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
>>
>> Ardy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of dlgegg at windstream.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
>> immunomodulator - help
>>
>> Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had
>> no problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
>>
>> ---- marlene melpignano wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a
>>> lymphoma or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot
>>> even have a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to
>>> bring him to a university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in
>>> order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>>>
>>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats?
>>> Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>>>
>>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal
>>> in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide
>>> not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether
>>> your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or
>>> were just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on;
>>> otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.
>>>
>>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be
>>> done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of
>>> today he is not eating ...
>>> Thanks for your help Marl?ne
>>>
>>> Inviato da iPhone
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