[Felvtalk] Stargate?
ROBERT CHAPEL
bchapel at optonline.net
Thu Nov 2 15:40:38 CDT 2017
An odd name for a drug... but... terrific if it really is Stanazalol and
you can get hold of it...
Your Kitty is lucky to have an owner so commited to his survival... I am
hoping hard that all your kind effort pays off... he AND you deserve
it.....
I don't know that it makes a difference which mode of administration is
used... though, generally, with drugs some of the dose is lost while
traveling through the digestive system and first pass through the liver
( though that will happen i)... so I'd be "inclined" more toward
injection if it's SubQ ( they hardly feel it) IM can be a bit more
painful and I'd want to know for certain that there are clear advantages
to this before I subjected a kitty to this... I'm so hoping fate and
luck are with you and your kitty...
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> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 14:24:50 -0500
> From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
> immunomodulator - help
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> ---- Amani Oakley wrote:
>> Marlene
>>
>> The suggestion of Winstrol/Doxy/Prednisone has been used repeatedly
>> on cats with leukemia and lymphoma. Also, Winstrol is very helpful
>> when a cat is not eating. Unfortunately, though there are other
>> steroids, I am not certain you will get the same result if you use
>> another steroid in place of the Winstrol. DO NOT USE another
>> antibiotic. Doxycycline interferes with the virus replication and is
>> added on to assist in retarding the reproduction of the virus, to
>> enable the Winstrol and prednisone to have an effect. It is not for a
>> secondary infection.
>> I find it bizarre that, over and over again, vets will dither while a
>> cat is dying. Put the cat on the meds, for goodness sake, and see the
>> response and if there isn?t an appreciable response after a
>> reasonable period of time, look for another option. But don?t have a
>> debate while the cat is declining. What's the worst that could
>> happen? It doesn?t work? What other options are they giving you???
>
> COULD IT BE THAT VETS ARE WORRIED ABOUT LAWSUITS IF ANYTHING GOES
> WRONG?
>>
>> I find it odd that the vets say Winstrol is illegal in Europe. If you
>> go on line, you will see that it can be ordered from places like
>> Germany.
>> If necessary, get your vets to put him on the other steroid, though I
>> really doubt it will assist - Winstrol uniquely causes the turning on
>> of blood cell production in the bone marrow - I don?t think there is
>> another steroid that does this. Then go ahead and order the Winstrol
>> online from Germany or wherever else it can be sourced. But don't
>> wait. The longer you wait, the worse the condition of your cat, thus
>> worsening the chances of anything working.
>>
>> Amani
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of marlene melpignano
>> Sent: November-01-17 4:29 AM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
>> immunomodulator - help
>>
>> Dear All,
>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma
>> or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have
>> a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a
>> university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in order to decide
>> whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>>
>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats?
>> Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>>
>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal
>> in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide
>> not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether
>> your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were
>> just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on; otherwise
>> they doubt about using doxycycline.
>>
>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be
>> done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of
>> today he is not eating ...
>> Thanks for your help Marl?ne
>>
>> Inviato da iPhone
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 23:28:40 -0500
> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or
> Lymphocyte T-cell
> immunomodulator - help
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> Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol,
> based on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him an
> appetite stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet,
> every 3rd day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the
> canned cat food that they sell for after surgeries - it is very
> calorie dense but I don't remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to
> clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a little. I did not want
> to do that because he didn't like having me do that, but I made up my
> mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food in him. I
> believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. When
> he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his
> kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is not
> legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the
> misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without
> the one thing that can help them. I
> t is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the
> Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the
> virus from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
>
> Ardy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of dlgegg at windstream.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
> immunomodulator - help
>
> Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had
> no problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
>
> ---- marlene melpignano wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma
>> or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have
>> a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a
>> university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in order to decide
>> whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>>
>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats?
>> Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>>
>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal
>> in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide
>> not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether
>> your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were
>> just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on; otherwise
>> they doubt about using doxycycline.
>>
>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be
>> done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of
>> today he is not eating ...
>> Thanks for your help Marl?ne
>>
>> Inviato da iPhone
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> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 10:03:38 +0000
> From: marlene melpignano To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject:
> Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
> immunomodulator - help
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> Dear all,
> Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called
> stargate. I found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I
> will go to Rome myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in
> Italy for felv cats.
> What is better, pills or injections? I thought of pills to cause less
> stress, but I read it may be more toxic for the liver compared to the
> injectable one .
> I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this
> afternoon just to get a better opinion than the Belgian one.
>
> Thanks all for your support.
> Best
> M&M
>
> Inviato da iPhone
>
>> Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson ha scritto:
>>
>> Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol,
>> based on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him an
>> appetite stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg
>> tablet, every 3rd day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him
>> the canned cat food that they sell for after surgeries - it is very
>> calorie dense but I don't remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to
>> clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a little. I did not want
>> to do that because he didn't like having me do that, but I made up my
>> mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food in him. I
>> believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. When
>> he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his
>> kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is
>> not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the
>> misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without
>> the one thing that can help them.
> It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the
> Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the
> virus from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
>>
>> Ardy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of dlgegg at windstream.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
>> immunomodulator - help
>>
>> Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had
>> no problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
>>
>> ---- marlene melpignano wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a
>>> lymphoma or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot
>>> even have a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to
>>> bring him to a university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in
>>> order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>>>
>>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats?
>>> Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>>>
>>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal
>>> in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide
>>> not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether
>>> your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or
>>> were just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on;
>>> otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.
>>>
>>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be
>>> done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of
>>> today he is not eating ...
>>> Thanks for your help Marl?ne
>>>
>>> Inviato da iPhone
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 8:21:32 -0500
> From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
> immunomodulator - help
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> Prayers for you and your baby.
>
> ---- marlene melpignano wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called
>> stargate. I found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I
>> will go to Rome myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in
>> Italy for felv cats.
>> What is better, pills or injections? I thought of pills to cause less
>> stress, but I read it may be more toxic for the liver compared to the
>> injectable one .
>> I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this
>> afternoon just to get a better opinion than the Belgian one.
>>
>> Thanks all for your support.
>> Best
>> M&M
>>
>> Inviato da iPhone
>>
>>> Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol,
>>> based on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him
>>> an appetite stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg
>>> tablet, every 3rd day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him
>>> the canned cat food that they sell for after surgeries - it is very
>>> calorie dense but I don't remember the name of it. Sometimes I had
>>> to clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a little. I did not
>>> want to do that because he didn't like having me do that, but I made
>>> up my mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food in
>>> him. I believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite
>>> stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice
>>> (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful
>>> that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against
>>> it because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties
>>> have to suffer without the one thing that can help the
> m. It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the
> Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the
> virus from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
>>>
>>> Ardy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On
>>> Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
>>> immunomodulator - help
>>>
>>> Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had
>>> no problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
>>>
>>> ---- marlene melpignano wrote:
>>>> Dear All,
>>>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a
>>>> lymphoma or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot
>>>> even have a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to
>>>> bring him to a university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in
>>>> order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>>>>
>>>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats?
>>>> Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the
>>>> cat?
>>>>
>>>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal
>>>> in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide
>>>> not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know
>>>> whether your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used
>>>> it or were just Felv + and also whether they had infections going
>>>> on; otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to
>>>> be done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As
>>>> of today he is not eating ...
>>>> Thanks for your help Marl?ne
>>>>
>>>> Inviato da iPhone
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> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 14:09:34 +0000
> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
> [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
> immunomodulator - help
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> Pills.
> Amani
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of marlene melpignano
> Sent: November-02-17 6:04 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
> immunomodulator - help
>
> Dear all,
> Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called
> stargate. I found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I
> will go to Rome myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in
> Italy for felv cats.
> What is better, pills or injections? I thought of pills to cause less
> stress, but I read it may be more toxic for the liver compared to the
> injectable one .
> I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this
> afternoon just to get a better opinion than the Belgian one.
>
> Thanks all for your support.
> Best
> M&M
>
> Inviato da iPhone
>
>> Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson ha scritto:
>>
>> Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol,
>> based on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him an
>> appetite stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg
>> tablet, every 3rd day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him
>> the canned cat food that they sell for after surgeries - it is very
>> calorie dense but I don't remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to
>> clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a little. I did not want
>> to do that because he didn't like having me do that, but I made up my
>> mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food in him. I
>> believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. When
>> he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his
>> kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is
>> not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the
>> misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without
>> the one thing that can help them.
> It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the
> Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the
> virus from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
>>
>> Ardy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of dlgegg at windstream.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
>> immunomodulator - help
>>
>> Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had
>> no problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
>>
>> ---- marlene melpignano wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a
>>> lymphoma or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot
>>> even have a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to
>>> bring him to a university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in
>>> order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>>>
>>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats?
>>> Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>>>
>>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal
>>> in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide
>>> not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether
>>> your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or
>>> were just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on;
>>> otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.
>>>
>>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be
>>> done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of
>>> today he is not eating ...
>>> Thanks for your help Marl?ne
>>>
>>> Inviato da iPhone
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