[Felvtalk] Coco update

dlgegg at windstream.net dlgegg at windstream.net
Sat Oct 24 23:48:21 CDT 2015


This is off topic, but I keep getting some of member emails in my trash box instead of the inbox.  Is this hapening to anyone else?

---- Kelley S <moonvine at gmail.com> wrote: 
> In Texas, they were found to be a special kind of property like a
> photograph...but then that was rescinded...not sure what the status is
> now..but at any rate you do sign a disclaimer saying you will not sue so...
> 
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I'm a lawyer. First, I can tell you that there wouldn’t be much of a
> > lawsuit in the passing of an ill cat (or even a healthy one for that matter
> > - they are just properly under the law) and second, writing down and
> > signing that you take full responsibility in that circumstance, is an
> > almost impossible hurdle to overcome. Vets in Canada don’t get sued very
> > much at all, so I would be surprised if this was even a consideration for
> > them here. I don’t know the circumstances in the U.S., but they are still
> > considered property (chattel) so I doubt things would be much different in
> > the legal sphere.
> >
> > Amani
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> > dlgegg at windstream.net
> > Sent: October-24-15 3:57 PM
> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
> >
> > tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT
> > YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE.
> >
> > ---- Maya D'Alessio <mdelow at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing
> > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in
> > > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is
> > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a
> > > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that
> > > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to
> > > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two
> > > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has
> > > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was
> > > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really
> > > interested in hearing me out
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio
> > > <mrdaless at uwaterloo.ca>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing
> > > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but
> > > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is
> > > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of
> > > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs
> > > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they
> > > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia!
> > > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very
> > > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've
> > > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other
> > > > vet is not really interested in hearing me out
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley
> > > > <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Ardy – good for you!
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back
> > > >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a
> > > >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be
> > left with “what-ifs”.
> > > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well.
> > > >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not
> > > >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what
> > > >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I
> > > >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals).
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Amani
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On
> > > >> Behalf Of *Ardy Robertson
> > > >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM
> > > >>
> > > >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but
> > > >> they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one
> > > >> talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I
> > > >> would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a
> > > >> group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk
> > > >> about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him,
> > > >> and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see
> > > >> what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about
> > > >> Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me
> > > >> any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be
> > > >> pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop up.
> > > >> He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows
> > > >> through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little
> > > >> furball is to us, and that he deserves to have everything possible
> > > >> done for him. I told him I am willing to do the supportive care
> > > >> longterm or whatever is necessary, but did not want to do the
> > > >> unnecessary things. My goal is to change their minds about
> > > >> instantly writing off kitties who happen to be unfortunate enough to
> > have this virus. I am so happy I found your group because I see that
> > everyone who has posted seems to be of the same opinion.
> > > >>
> > > >> Ardy Robertson
> > > >>
> > > >> Osseo, WI
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org
> > > >> <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org>] *On Behalf Of *Maya
> > > >> D'Alessio
> > > >> *Sent:* Friday, October 23, 2015 7:08 AM
> > > >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Good luck Kelley! Let me know how your vet reacts about the Winstrol.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:51 AM, <dlgegg at windstream.net> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE.  THE OTHERS ARE SAFE IF
> > > >> THEY ARE VACCINATED.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ---- Kelley S <moonvine at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ.  She ate one
> > > >> serviing
> > > >> > of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I don't
> > > >> > really like her eating dry but it will put weight on her.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with
> > > >> > the rest
> > > >> of
> > > >> > my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is
> > > >> > tomorrow
> > > >> and
> > > >> > the other one is next Friday.  He even said when he brought the
> > > >> > FELV+ kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were
> > > >> > vaccinated first
> > > >> and
> > > >> > then let them in with the others.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Kelley
> > > >>
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> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >>
> > > >> Maya D'Alessio
> > > >>
> > > >> PhD student
> > > >>
> > > >> B1 377B, x32320
> > > >>
> > > >> Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator
> > > >>
> > > >> Biology GSA Vice Chair
> > > >>
> > > >> GSA Director At-Large
> > > >>
> > > >> University of Waterloo
> > > >>
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> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Maya D'Alessio
> > > > PhD candidate
> > > > President
> > > > Graduate Student Association
> > > > COM 104
> > > > University of Waterloo
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Maya D'Alessio
> > > PhD student
> > > B1 377B, x32320
> > > Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA
> > > Director At-Large University of Waterloo
> >
> >
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