[Felvtalk] Fwd: Coco update

[Kelley S]

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 12:02 AM, Kelley S <moonvine at gmail.com> wrote:

> I personally am extremely glad they are property.  Otherwise some other
> person who thinks they know better could decide Coco should be euthanized
> because she is positive, could see my dog out running around in my yard and
> think that is not good and take him and put him in their car and leave,
> such things have already happened.   I don't want a CPS like organization
> deciding how my animals should be taken care of and when they should be
> PTS.
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 11:48 PM, <dlgegg at windstream.net> wrote:
>
>> This is off topic, but I keep getting some of member emails in my trash
>> box instead of the inbox.  Is this hapening to anyone else?
>>
>> ---- Kelley S <moonvine at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > In Texas, they were found to be a special kind of property like a
>> > photograph...but then that was rescinded...not sure what the status is
>> > now..but at any rate you do sign a disclaimer saying you will not sue
>> so...
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I'm a lawyer. First, I can tell you that there wouldn’t be much of a
>> > > lawsuit in the passing of an ill cat (or even a healthy one for that
>> matter
>> > > - they are just properly under the law) and second, writing down and
>> > > signing that you take full responsibility in that circumstance, is an
>> > > almost impossible hurdle to overcome. Vets in Canada don’t get sued
>> very
>> > > much at all, so I would be surprised if this was even a consideration
>> for
>> > > them here. I don’t know the circumstances in the U.S., but they are
>> still
>> > > considered property (chattel) so I doubt things would be much
>> different in
>> > > the legal sphere.
>> > >
>> > > Amani
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On
>> Behalf Of
>> > > dlgegg at windstream.net
>> > > Sent: October-24-15 3:57 PM
>> > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
>> > >
>> > > tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER
>> WHAT
>> > > YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE.
>> > >
>> > > ---- Maya D'Alessio <mdelow at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing
>> > > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but
>> in
>> > > > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is
>> > > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of
>> a
>> > > > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that
>> > > > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to
>> > > > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a
>> two
>> > > > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has
>> > > > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was
>> > > > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really
>> > > > interested in hearing me out
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio
>> > > > <mrdaless at uwaterloo.ca>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing
>> > > > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but
>> > > > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat
>> is
>> > > > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less
>> of
>> > > > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs
>> > > > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they
>> > > > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative
>> anemia!
>> > > > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very
>> > > > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've
>> > > > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other
>> > > > > vet is not really interested in hearing me out
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley
>> > > > > <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> Ardy – good for you!
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back
>> > > > >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal
>> with a
>> > > > >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be
>> > > left with “what-ifs”.
>> > > > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well.
>> > > > >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not
>> > > > >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on
>> what
>> > > > >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I
>> > > > >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals).
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Amani
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org]
>> *On
>> > > > >> Behalf Of *Ardy Robertson
>> > > > >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> > > > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk
>> but
>> > > > >> they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one
>> > > > >> talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I
>> > > > >> would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a
>> > > > >> group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and
>> talk
>> > > > >> about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to
>> him,
>> > > > >> and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see
>> > > > >> what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about
>> > > > >> Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given
>> me
>> > > > >> any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be
>> > > > >> pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop
>> up.
>> > > > >> He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows
>> > > > >> through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little
>> > > > >> furball is to us, and that he deserves to have everything
>> possible
>> > > > >> done for him. I told him I am willing to do the supportive care
>> > > > >> longterm or whatever is necessary, but did not want to do the
>> > > > >> unnecessary things. My goal is to change their minds about
>> > > > >> instantly writing off kitties who happen to be unfortunate
>> enough to
>> > > have this virus. I am so happy I found your group because I see that
>> > > everyone who has posted seems to be of the same opinion.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Ardy Robertson
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Osseo, WI
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org
>> > > > >> <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org>] *On Behalf Of *Maya
>> > > > >> D'Alessio
>> > > > >> *Sent:* Friday, October 23, 2015 7:08 AM
>> > > > >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> > > > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Good luck Kelley! Let me know how your vet reacts about the
>> Winstrol.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:51 AM, <dlgegg at windstream.net> wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE.  THE OTHERS ARE SAFE
>> IF
>> > > > >> THEY ARE VACCINATED.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> ---- Kelley S <moonvine at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> > Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ.  She ate
>> one
>> > > > >> serviing
>> > > > >> > of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I
>> don't
>> > > > >> > really like her eating dry but it will put weight on her.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with
>> > > > >> > the rest
>> > > > >> of
>> > > > >> > my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is
>> > > > >> > tomorrow
>> > > > >> and
>> > > > >> > the other one is next Friday.  He even said when he brought the
>> > > > >> > FELV+ kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were
>> > > > >> > vaccinated first
>> > > > >> and
>> > > > >> > then let them in with the others.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Kelley
>> > > > >>
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>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> --
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Maya D'Alessio
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> PhD student
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> B1 377B, x32320
>> > > > >>
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>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Biology GSA Vice Chair
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> GSA Director At-Large
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> University of Waterloo
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>> > > > >
>> > > > > --
>> > > > > Maya D'Alessio
>> > > > > PhD candidate
>> > > > > President
>> > > > > Graduate Student Association
>> > > > > COM 104
>> > > > > University of Waterloo
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
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>> > > > Maya D'Alessio
>> > > > PhD student
>> > > > B1 377B, x32320
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>> GSA
>> > > > Director At-Large University of Waterloo
>> > >
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