[Felvtalk] Coco update

[Kelley S]

In Texas, they were found to be a special kind of property like a
photograph...but then that was rescinded...not sure what the status is
now..but at any rate you do sign a disclaimer saying you will not sue so...

On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
wrote:

> I'm a lawyer. First, I can tell you that there wouldn’t be much of a
> lawsuit in the passing of an ill cat (or even a healthy one for that matter
> - they are just properly under the law) and second, writing down and
> signing that you take full responsibility in that circumstance, is an
> almost impossible hurdle to overcome. Vets in Canada don’t get sued very
> much at all, so I would be surprised if this was even a consideration for
> them here. I don’t know the circumstances in the U.S., but they are still
> considered property (chattel) so I doubt things would be much different in
> the legal sphere.
>
> Amani
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> dlgegg at windstream.net
> Sent: October-24-15 3:57 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
>
> tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT
> YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE.
>
> ---- Maya D'Alessio <mdelow at gmail.com> wrote:
> > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing
> > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in
> > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is
> > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a
> > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that
> > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to
> > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two
> > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has
> > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was
> > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really
> > interested in hearing me out
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio
> > <mrdaless at uwaterloo.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing
> > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but
> > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is
> > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of
> > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs
> > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they
> > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia!
> > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very
> > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've
> > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other
> > > vet is not really interested in hearing me out
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley
> > > <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ardy – good for you!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back
> > >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a
> > >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be
> left with “what-ifs”.
> > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well.
> > >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not
> > >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what
> > >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I
> > >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Amani
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On
> > >> Behalf Of *Ardy Robertson
> > >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM
> > >>
> > >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but
> > >> they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one
> > >> talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I
> > >> would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a
> > >> group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk
> > >> about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him,
> > >> and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see
> > >> what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about
> > >> Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me
> > >> any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be
> > >> pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop up.
> > >> He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows
> > >> through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little
> > >> furball is to us, and that he deserves to have everything possible
> > >> done for him. I told him I am willing to do the supportive care
> > >> longterm or whatever is necessary, but did not want to do the
> > >> unnecessary things. My goal is to change their minds about
> > >> instantly writing off kitties who happen to be unfortunate enough to
> have this virus. I am so happy I found your group because I see that
> everyone who has posted seems to be of the same opinion.
> > >>
> > >> Ardy Robertson
> > >>
> > >> Osseo, WI
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org
> > >> <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org>] *On Behalf Of *Maya
> > >> D'Alessio
> > >> *Sent:* Friday, October 23, 2015 7:08 AM
> > >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Good luck Kelley! Let me know how your vet reacts about the Winstrol.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:51 AM, <dlgegg at windstream.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE.  THE OTHERS ARE SAFE IF
> > >> THEY ARE VACCINATED.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ---- Kelley S <moonvine at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ.  She ate one
> > >> serviing
> > >> > of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I don't
> > >> > really like her eating dry but it will put weight on her.
> > >> >
> > >> > Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with
> > >> > the rest
> > >> of
> > >> > my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is
> > >> > tomorrow
> > >> and
> > >> > the other one is next Friday.  He even said when he brought the
> > >> > FELV+ kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were
> > >> > vaccinated first
> > >> and
> > >> > then let them in with the others.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow.
> > >> >
> > >> > Kelley
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> Maya D'Alessio
> > >>
> > >> PhD student
> > >>
> > >> B1 377B, x32320
> > >>
> > >> Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator
> > >>
> > >> Biology GSA Vice Chair
> > >>
> > >> GSA Director At-Large
> > >>
> > >> University of Waterloo
> > >>
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> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Maya D'Alessio
> > > PhD candidate
> > > President
> > > Graduate Student Association
> > > COM 104
> > > University of Waterloo
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Maya D'Alessio
> > PhD student
> > B1 377B, x32320
> > Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA
> > Director At-Large University of Waterloo
>
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