[Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv

[Marsha]

Amani, I think you already hit on the reasons for refusal earlier - the 
report about potential liver damage, but probably the bigger reason is 
that humans try to get hold of it for themselves to use illicitly.

What percentage of your cats that got Winstrol were FeLV+, and how many 
got it for other conditions?

It's too late for Peaches (FeLV negative with multiple myeloma), my 
little princess angel that passed on Sunday.  I had considered it for 
her anemia, but the oncologist suggested waiting until we knew how much 
she would recover just from coming off chemo. Otherwise, we wouldn't 
know what Winstrol did and what changing her treatment did.  But even 
though her bone marrow was starting to bounce back a little, her kidneys 
went into acute failure, with BUN and creatinine so high their machine 
had difficulty giving an accurate reading, and they sent it to another 
lab on campus.  She was on fluids and a feeding tube over the weekend, 
and they were being cautious, but the fluids still began to put too much 
strain on her heart so they had to stop the fluids.  She was such a good 
girl, they didn't even have an e-collar on her.  Unless they took it off 
for visiting purposes...but I think I asked someone, and they told me 
she was doing OK without one.

Marsha

On 11/27/2015 2:14 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
>
> Perhaps but that wasn’t my experience, and if you go on line, you find 
> others who find it extremely helpful for chronic kidney disease cases, 
> just like you mentioned. But Marsha, if the concern is that the 
> results were “lackluster”, then what could possibly be the explanation 
> for the pure REFUSAL to prescribe it? Obviously, it that was all there 
> was to it, the vet could just say, “Well, I don’t think you’re going 
> to get too far with this stuff, but it’s up to you if you want to give 
> it a try”. Given that the option people often get with FeLV cats is 
> zilch, then why not mention that it is a possibility, though not a 
> great one. When I am sitting, balling my eyes out and the vet is 
> telling me, “so sorry, there is nothing at all that can help” and “put 
> him down for his own sake – you wouldn’t want him to suffer”, then I 
> certainly expect that I should have been told about Winstrol. It’s not 
> like we have a lot of options with FeLV. None of the options are 
> particularly great or can be relied on regularly, and most of the 
> options are way way more expensive than the Winstrol.
>
> Moreover, I find it hard to believe they got lackluster results. I 
> have used this stuff now in more hard luck situations than you would 
> believe, and I would say that in about 80% of the circumstances, I 
> have had a good to an excellent result. Sometimes, I get no result.
>
> I find it hard to believe that I just happened to be lucky.
>
> Amani
>
> *From:*Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On 
> Behalf Of *Marsha
> *Sent:* November-27-15 3:04 PM
> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv
>
> Maybe part of it is because of lackluster results for the conditions 
> they *were* using it for.  I found 2 "old school" vets in my area that 
> had used it a couple of decades ago, then kind of forgot it existed 
> after it got harder to find.  One said she forgot about it because it 
> didn't make that big of an impression on her.  She had used it for 
> anemia in CKD cats, I think.
>
> Marsha
>

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