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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Amani, I think you already hit on the
reasons for refusal earlier - the report about potential liver
damage, but probably the bigger reason is that humans try to get
hold of it for themselves to use illicitly.<br>
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What percentage of your cats that got Winstrol were FeLV+, and how
many got it for other conditions?<br>
<br>
It's too late for Peaches (FeLV negative with multiple myeloma),
my little princess angel that passed on Sunday. I had considered
it for her anemia, but the oncologist suggested waiting until we
knew how much she would recover just from coming off chemo.
Otherwise, we wouldn't know what Winstrol did and what changing
her treatment did. But even though her bone marrow was starting
to bounce back a little, her kidneys went into acute failure, with
BUN and creatinine so high their machine had difficulty giving an
accurate reading, and they sent it to another lab on campus. She
was on fluids and a feeding tube over the weekend, and they were
being cautious, but the fluids still began to put too much strain
on her heart so they had to stop the fluids. She was such a good
girl, they didn't even have an e-collar on her. Unless they took
it off for visiting purposes...but I think I asked someone, and
they told me she was doing OK without one.<br>
<br>
Marsha<br>
<br>
On 11/27/2015 2:14 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:<br>
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but that wasn’t my experience, and if you go on line, you
find others who find it extremely helpful for chronic kidney
disease cases, just like you mentioned. But Marsha, if the
concern is that the results were “lackluster”, then what
could possibly be the explanation for the pure REFUSAL to
prescribe it? Obviously, it that was all there was to it,
the vet could just say, “Well, I don’t think you’re going to
get too far with this stuff, but it’s up to you if you want
to give it a try”. Given that the option people often get
with FeLV cats is zilch, then why not mention that it is a
possibility, though not a great one. When I am sitting,
balling my eyes out and the vet is telling me, “so sorry,
there is nothing at all that can help” and “put him down for
his own sake – you wouldn’t want him to suffer”, then I
certainly expect that I should have been told about
Winstrol. It’s not like we have a lot of options with FeLV.
None of the options are particularly great or can be relied
on regularly, and most of the options are way way more
expensive than the Winstrol.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Moreover,
I find it hard to believe they got lackluster results. I
have used this stuff now in more hard luck situations than
you would believe, and I would say that in about 80% of the
circumstances, I have had a good to an excellent result.
Sometimes, I get no result.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
find it hard to believe that I just happened to be lucky.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> Felvtalk
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org">mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marsha<br>
<b>Sent:</b> November-27-15 3:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to
understand about felv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe part of it is because of lackluster
results for the conditions they *were* using it for. I
found 2 "old school" vets in my area that had used it a
couple of decades ago, then kind of forgot it existed after
it got harder to find. One said she forgot about it because
it didn't make that big of an impression on her. She had
used it for anemia in CKD cats, I think.<br>
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Marsha<br>
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