[Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

[Amani Oakley]

No – it depends on the parasite load.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: February-26-18 5:49 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

Amani, will roundworms aways show up in a fecal?

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On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Bob

Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the lungs.  During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase, so using both might also assist.

I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn’t figure out how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However, unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I couldn’t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn’t exposed to any new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline.

Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, and did a bit of research.

So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if that leads to any improvement.

Amani

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Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs”....
 I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my boy won’t eat his food with this foul tasting abx..... I’m reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly.... After a couple of weeks if I can’t get him to a full dose it’s time to change course.... He’s 15 years old and he can’t afford to lose weight or get dehydrated....  He’s a foster who was “ supposed” to be back with his owner well before now....but.... it looks to me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement....


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> *Hi Bob and all,  *
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> *I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions
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> *I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a
> month
> later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a
> 6+-year-old
> boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the
> southern
> tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is also Tommy.  I took
> home a
> FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have a
> home
> and lots of love for whatever time he has.  He is playing, eating, and
> giving lots of love and demanding lots of love!  He is living in my
> Master
> suit while he is being vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his
> Sunny
> and Tommy who are super eager to meet him :).   *
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> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
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>> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided
>> to
>> unsubscribe....
>>
>> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few
>> months
>> ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+
>> for a
>> few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting,
>> mercifully, so
>> far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of
>> the
>> bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their
>> exposure....
>> Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this
>> cutie....
>> unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy
>> in
>> isolation here at our shelter..... He needs company....
>>
>> Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing
>> pretty
>> well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on
>> life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... Jerry is
>> still
>> suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to
>> control
>> it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.....
>>
>> Bob in Warwick NY
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> Hi Bob,
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> If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an
> extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They
> used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they
> used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small amount
> of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then get
> him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was given to babies who had
> life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else worked.
>
> I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something
> like a parasite causing it? Not sure....just trying to help ?
>
>
> Ardy
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
>
>
> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided
> to unsubscribe....
>
>
> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few
> months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any
> FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting,
> mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest
> and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they
> had their exposure....  Think we might already have a place that will
> give a home to this cutie.... unfortunately not a family... but better
> than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter..... He
> needs company....
>
>
> Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing
> pretty well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new
> lease on life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER....
> Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking
> for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have
> failed so far.....
>
>
> Bob in Warwick NY
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>> From: ROBERT CHAPEL To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
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>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
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>> Message-ID: <  153d54b2.3346.16095df6e39.Webtop.34 at optonline.net<mailto:153d54b2.3346.16095df6e39.Webtop.34 at optonline.net>>
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>> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
>
>> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
>
>> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
>
>> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
>
>> couple of weeks??
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
>
>> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where
>> near
>
>> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
>
>> adopters...
>
>> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't
>
>> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
>
>> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and
>
>> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of
>> FIV's
>
>> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
>
>> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...
>
>> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
>
>> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
>
>> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
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>> QUESTION:
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>>
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>>>
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>>> Message: 1
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>>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
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>>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>" Subject: Re:
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>>> [Felvtalk] Question
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>>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
>
>>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
>
>>> arsenal to combat it.
>
>>>
>
>>> Amani
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>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 04:07:39 +0000
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>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>" Subject: Re:
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>> [Felvtalk] FIV
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>> Hi Bob
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>>
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>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>
>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I haven't
>
>> received any emails in weeks.
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>>
>
>> Amani
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>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> From: Felvtalk [  mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org>] On
>> Behalf
>
>> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
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>> Sent: December-26-17 9:49 PM
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>> To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
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>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>>
>
>> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
>
>> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
>
>> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
>
>> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
>
>> couple of weeks??
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
>
>> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where
>> near
>
>> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
>
>> adopters...
>
>> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't
>
>> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
>
>> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and
>
>> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of
>> FIV's
>
>> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
>
>> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...
>
>> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
>
>> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
>
>> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
>
>> QUESTION:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>> ?---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> -
>
>>>
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>>> Message: 1
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>>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
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>>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>" Subject: Re:
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>>> [Felvtalk] Question
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>>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
>
>>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
>
>>> arsenal to combat it.
>
>>>
>
>>> Amani
>
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:33:47 -0500
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>> From: Lorrie To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
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>> Message-ID: <  20171227143347.GA816 at lnx12.netgear.com<mailto:20171227143347.GA816 at lnx12.netgear.com>>
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>>
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>> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
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>> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
>
>>
>
>> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
>
>>
>
>> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the
>> average
>
>> person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of FIV.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Lorrie
>
>>
>
>> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
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>>> Hi Bob
>
>>>
>
>>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>
>>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
>>> haven't
>
>>> received any emails in weeks.
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>>>
>
>>> Amani
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>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 8:41:54 -0600
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>> From: To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>,   felinerescue at frontier.com<mailto:felinerescue at frontier.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
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>> Message-ID: <  20171227094154.PXG7R.4017.root at pamxwww01-z01<mailto:20171227094154.PXG7R.4017.root at pamxwww01-z01>>
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>> tHE ONLY PROBLEM MY GUYS HAVE IS BOREDOM.  iT HAS BEEN COLD, SNOWY
>> AND
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>> WINDY.  HARLEY WHO USUALLY GOES OUT NO MATTER WHAT JUST GOES TO THE
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>> DOOR, THE WIND HITS HIM AND HE BACKS UP.  WE HAVE LOTS OF AMAZON
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>> ---- Lorrie  wrote:
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>>>
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>>> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
>
>>> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
>
>>>
>
>>> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
>
>>>
>
>>> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the
>
>>> average person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of
>
>>> FIV.
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> Lorrie
>
>>>
>
>>> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
>
>>>> Hi Bob
>
>>>>
>
>>>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>
>>>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
>
>>>> haven't received any emails in weeks.
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>>>> Amani
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>> Hi Sandy, I noticed the total lack of messages...... Hopefully this
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>> Lorrie
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>> On 02-21, Sandy wrote:
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