[Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

[Sherri Godschalk]

Had to shorten thisŠhope it doesn¹t post twice as it went to the moderator
because of size.

Good to know about the liver test. I will NOT mention it to my vet.

Since this whole process has started for Bogey and I, I often wonder what
logic is used when saying that the side affects from taking the Stanzolol
are liver issues, but the side effect of not taking it, is death. I know for
me personally, if I was sick and facing this decision, I know what I would
do without question. Believe it or not, I read that exact paper you are
describing when Bogey was first prescribed the Stanzolol. (Google search) I
felt pretty defeated (although many of the terms were over my head) after
reading it. I did not notice the dosages though. Doesn¹t sound like a very
scientific study does it. Maybe we should start our own. Post the names of
vets who are willing to prescribe it as well as the results each person has
with their pet that is taking it. There again, I am way out in front of
myself here because Bogey is not thriving but she did just run into the room
with a Q-tip in her mouth (her favorite toy) and 60 days ago she could
barely walk into the room without laying down. She has also steadily gained
weight. Over a pound which doesn¹t sound like much but she barely weighed 5
pounds to begin with. Life is still happening here.

It does seem like there is secrecy surrounding vets prescribing Stanzolol.
Almost like I am scoring some heroin or something. (no I am not a drug user)
>From what you found with your other cat, clearly this could be a positive
choice for inoperable tumors, and or life extending treatment for senior
pets. At any rate, I feel luckier each day that my current vet values the
life of my cat enough to try to save her. It sounds like your vet is
terrific and that you have a great, long relationship with them. I hope to
have the same, one day.

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Friday, September 30, 2016 at 8:29 PM
To:  "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  [Felvtalk] FW:  FW:  Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

Sherri
 
I wouldn¹t recommend you run the liver enzymes. If they rise (and they often
do) it will cause your vet to try to get you to stop the Winstrol.
 
I was running a full biochemistry profile along with the full haematology
profile on Zander. So tests like ALP, AST, ALT, TBili and DBili are
indicators of liver function. With Zander, they rose sharply, but there was
simply no other option but to continue. I had done all my research, tried
out the two most likely new and promising therapies (LTCI and Interferon)
and they were not at all (I mean AT ALL) helpful. So, discontinuing the
Winstrol meant certain death for Zander. I am so glad I ignored the liver
enzymes. They settled down on their own, and Zander never had any liver
problems after almost a FULL YEAR on Winstrol.
 
I had another cat with a nasal sarcoma, who was 16 when she got the sarcoma
and a tiny skinny thing. I put her on Winstrol because again, there were no
really good options. Again, I had a great response, with it upping her
appetite dramatically, and keeping the sarcoma in a shrunken state with far
less discharge and swelling than prior to the administration of the
Winstrol. Her liver enzymes went through the roof and the vet (a very good
friend of mine who is the head of vet oncology and a brilliant man) knowing
how I feel about Winstrol, just asked if I would agree to discontinue the
Winstrol to see if the liver enzymes would reduce. (Very gently. He knew he
was on thin ice.)  I did, for a few weeks, then put her back on. She lived
to age 19 with that sarcoma, because the Winstrol kept her eating, and happy
and strong.
 
One of the smart folks on this chatline, recently sent me what was likely
the stupid vet research publication which likely started the whole ³liver²
scare. Look it up because I cannot attach it to this email as it will not go
through. The title is, ³Hepatotoxicity of stanozolol in cats² by Kenneth R.
Harkin, et. al. in JAVMA, Vol. 217, No. 5, September 1, 2000. Bizarrely, in
this study, the authors put the cats on a ³loading dose² of 25 mg
intramuscularly, then 2 mg a day by mouth, every 12 hours. So, just for
starters, you see that for some reason, they started the cats on TEN TIMES
the normal dose, and them kept them on at least TWO TIMES the normal dosefor
the rest of the study. Even then, here are some telltale pieces of
information:


 


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