[Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 54

Tina Terrell tisreel4u at gmail.com
Thu Dec 22 21:33:26 CST 2016 

Hello:) Can anyone tell me where I can find Manapol or Premapol aloe?
I am having amazing results but cannot find it for sale anymore.
Thank you!

On Dec 22, 2016 6:36 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote:

> I hope this doesn't sound disrespectful... but I'm perplexed at all the
> talk of  whether or not an animal has or does NOT have the virus at 8, 10
> and 12 years old...   If an animal has lived this long it would appear that
> he/she has a much milder form of the virus or a variant about which little
> is known.....  In truth though.... your cats have already defied he odds
> and despite the sadness of having them ( potentially) have several years of
> life curtailed you will have had them longer than the many Healthy cats I
> had a a youngster when it was not uncommon for cats to die from any number
> of causes well before they were 10  years old..... If my boys live until 8
> or 10 I will consider it miraculous!!......   The kind of FeLV+ that REALLY
> concerns me is the kind that my own boys have.... passed from the Queen....
> established to have moved into their marrow in the first 7 months of their
> lives...Symptomatic from the time they were Kittens....   One looking ( yes
> there IS a "look" severely affected FeLV+ cats can have)  very much like a
> cat that simply is not going to last very long.... it is heart wrenching to
> hold his little 5.8 lb body and feel all his ribs and backbone despite his
> eating heartily.... He is barely a year and one half and has already had
> IBD, Uveitis,Melting Corneal Ulcer, Keratitis, Multiple bouts of  Rhinitis,
> He is 70% blind.....  I won't go on...  If he weren't not in obvious pain I
> would have put him down by now... but... he is a good natured little boy
> who still loves his food and his treats and curls up with me to keep warm
> because his body weight is so low.....  I can't tell you how happy it would
> make me to have him show weight gain or be able to play again...( He's been
> able to play perhaps one month of the time I've had him and his brother
> can't understand why he can't play and still attacks him hoping to have a
> partner in his games......   this is not what I expected when I adoped
> these boys but I learned quickly......  may really have to foster another
> FeLV+ just so the healthier one leaves my disabled one alone.....     I've
> learned quite a lot about the variants of FeLV since coming to this group
> but honestly......  when I adopted these boys I never DREAMED of their
> living to 8 years old and it seems quite a lot of people here are
> discussing  cats in that age range......  I'm having a hard time even
> internalizing that as FeLV...    Just wondering if there are many in the
> group that have cats whose lives are being curtailed at VERY young ages by
> this damnable Disease!!!
>
>
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>>    1. Re: Negative IFA test (Corinne Shank)
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>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 19:18:06 +0000
>> From: Corinne Shank To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
>> [Felvtalk] Negative IFA test
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>> I think that there are many unknowns and that the virus can live in many
>> forms.  I have had my cat for almost 8 years.  The last Elisa test on her
>> before I took her in, at about 3 months, was negative (after an initial
>> positive test).  At the time I already had a cat (1.5 yo) who was
>> negative.  I was assured that she was negative and would not have Felv.
>> They are both indoor cats and are not exposed to others.   So why after
>> having her for so long,  does she now test Elisa positive and IFA
>> negative?  Has the virus been dormant for 8 years?  I have researched on
>> Internet and it seems that there are many unknowns.
>>
>> It would have been impossible for me to separate my cats after 8 years
>> together and the stress of keeping them apart would have been hard on them
>> and me.  So they live together and my other cat is fine so far (he is
>> vaccinated).
>>
>>   I found the following on the website of the SNap test manufacturer
>> about discordant results and found the comment about true status not being
>> known to be interesting.
>>
>>
>> this is an ELISA-positive and IFA-negative status. Discordant results may
>> be due to the stage of infection, the variability of host responses, or
>> technical problems with testing. The status of the cat with discordant
>> results may eventually become clear by repeating both tests in 60 d and
>> yearly thereafter until the test results agree. Unfortunately, a
>> substantial number of these patients have persistently discordant test
>> results and the cat?s true status may not be known. Cats with discordant
>> test results are best considered as potential sources of infection for
>> other cats.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Dec 22, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Amy Glunt > wrote:
>>
>> If my cat has tested negative on both, is it possible that she could be
>> contagious in the future? I would like to get her a younger cat as a
>> friend, especially now with her energy levels I think she would definitely
>> benefit from having a feline partner. However I am not eager to have
>> another cat with anemia and immune related issues. I figure if there's any
>> chance of her shedding the virus, it's just not safe to bring another cat
>> into the house, and I'm not sure how foolproof the vaccines are against the
>> virus.
>>
>> Amy
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 22, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Margo > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> With a negative IFA, the cat should have no virus in a position to shed.
>> It is either not present, or is sequestered in the bone marrow, and
>> undetectable by IFA or Elisa. When a cat is shedding a virus, they are
>> contagious. Is that what you mean?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Margo
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila   DDS Timonium" >
>> Sent: Dec 22, 2016 8:12 AM
>> To: "'felvtalk at felineleukemia.org'" >
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Negative IFA test
>>
>> I had the same situation but when the IFA is negative, the cat should
>> shed the virus after testing negative.   They normally retest every 3
>> months for the felv elisa test.  The IFA test is 99.9% accurate.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Corinne Shank
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:34 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Negative IFA test
>>
>> Amy,
>>
>> Your story is similar to mine.  I think that there is so much that vets
>> don't know about Felv, so it is great to hear from others with their
>> situation.  When I found out that she had Felv from the Elisa test,  her
>> blood work was fairly normal and since that time she has gained weight.  So
>> I think it is wait and see situation.  She still likes to wake me up at
>> 3:00 am ?, so I think she still feels good.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Amy Glunt > wrote:
>>
>> I'm interested in replies to this as well. I have a somewhat similar
>> experience which I have been pondering over. My own cat, Gravy, tested
>> positive on the Elisa for FeLV in March when we took her in for an ear
>> infection and persistent lethargy. A month ago she had both Elisa and IFA
>> tests and was negative for both and the vet said that the leukemia must
>> have gone dormant in her marrow but that she would still have a suppressed
>> immune system and if she gets ill again, the leukemia could possibly flare
>> back up.
>> Also, I got the news today that after a month on Winstrol and
>> prednisolone (we skipped the doxycycline since she was negative) her RBC
>> has gone from 16 to 40. She is a whole new cat, it's absolutely incredible,
>> and I owe it all to you guys here...my Christmas miracle!
>> Sorry to hijack your post Corinne!
>>
>> Amy
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Corinne Shank > wrote:
>>
>> My cat tested positive for Felv a few months ago from an Elisa test. I
>> had her tested after she had persistent yeast ear infections and I had read
>> that immune suppressed cats were prone to yeast infections. In addition,
>> when she was a kitten she tested positive but then tested negative.  I was
>> told that she had shed the virus and that is why she tested negative.
>> She is now 8 years old.
>>
>> So I put off getting the IFA test as I wanted to see how she did and I
>> felt that she probably was infected.  I finally took her in to get the test
>> and it came back negative.  So I know that the virus is not in her bone
>> marrow.  But what does this mean?  The vet said to bring her back in 6
>> months for a snap test to see if she has shed the virus, but is this really
>> possible?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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