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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ardy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Did you talk to people at Diamond Back Drugs, or did you just order it online? I am wondering, if you spoke with them, whether they might be willing to let you
know which vets have ordered Winstrol from them, and explain that there are lots of people looking for vets who are familiar with Winstrol. That might be a way to do it too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Amani<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ardy Robertson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> October-03-16 10:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Well I live in Osseo, Wisconsin – and the Osseo Vet Clinic prescribed it for me. They did not have a source for it, but I located one online for them, and the
vet who is no longer there, would fill in a form online and order it, then I paid for it with a credit card and it shipped to my house with one refill. After that refill, the vet had to request it online again. The compounding pharmacy I found online was wonderful
– they are called Diamond Back Drugs. I believe it is <a href="http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com">
www.diamondbackdrugs.com</a> and they are physically located in Arizona.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The Animal Wellness Center in Mondovi, Wisconsin SAID they would get it for me, only after I begged for it for weeks, but then they never quite got around to
finding a source for it, and when I gave them the name of the Diamond Back Drug Company, they never quite got around to ordering it. So I changed to the Osseo Vet Clinic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I do believe the other vets at the Osseo Vet Clinic would prescribe it for me because they were all aware Tigger was “using”
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings">J</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> and they knew that he made fantastic progress while on it. I just didn’t get him started on it earlier
enough and I did not know to give him Doxycycline until it was too late. I think I would demand Doxycycline for him if I had it to do over again because I believe Amani is probably the most knowledgeable about this dreadful disease that the vets have no answer
for other than euthanization.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">That’s my 2 cents worth.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Ardy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Felvtalk [<a href="mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org">mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Amy Glunt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 1, 2016 9:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I think it would be really great if we could all compile a list of vets that prescribe the stanzolol, perhaps by state. That would be a really great resource for people who are looking for this information. I'm calling
around my city tomorrow to see if I can find any vets who will prescribe it for my cat. <br>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Oct 1, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Sherri Godschalk <<a href="mailto:skgodschalk61@gmail.com">skgodschalk61@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Good to know about the liver test. I will NOT mention it to my vet. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Since this whole process has started for Bogey and I, I often wonder what logic is used when saying that the side affects from taking the Stanzolol are liver issues, but the side effect of not taking it, is death. I know
for me personally, if I was sick and facing this decision, I know what I would do without question. Believe it or not, I read that exact paper you are describing when Bogey was first prescribed the Stanzolol. (Google search) I felt pretty defeated (although
many of the terms were over my head) after reading it. I did not notice the dosages though. Doesn’t sound like a very scientific study does it. Maybe we should start our own. Post the names of vets who are willing to prescribe it as well as the results each
person has with their pet that is taking it. There again, I am way out in front of myself here because Bogey is not thriving but she did just run into the room with a Q-tip in her mouth (her favorite toy) and 60 days ago she could barely walk into the room
without laying down. She has also steadily gained weight. Over a pound which doesn’t sound like much but she barely weighed 5 pounds to begin with. Life is still happening here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">It does seem like there is secrecy surrounding vets prescribing Stanzolol. Almost like I am scoring some heroin or something. (no I am not a drug user) From what you found with your other cat, clearly this could be a
positive choice for inoperable tumors, and or life extending treatment for senior pets. At any rate, I feel luckier each day that my current vet values the life of my cat enough to try to save her. It sounds like your vet is terrific and that you have a great,
long relationship with them. I hope to have the same, one day.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Sherri<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Felvtalk <<a href="mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org">felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org</a>> on behalf of Amani Oakley <<a href="mailto:aoakley@oakleylegal.com">aoakley@oakleylegal.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b><<a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, September 30, 2016 at 8:29 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sherri</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I wouldn’t recommend you run the liver enzymes. If they rise (and they often do) it will cause your vet to try to get you to stop the Winstrol.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I was running a full biochemistry profile along with the full haematology profile on Zander. So tests like ALP, AST, ALT, TBili and DBili are indicators of liver
function. With Zander, they rose sharply, but there was simply no other option but to continue. I had done all my research, tried out the two most likely new and promising therapies (LTCI and Interferon) and they were not at all (I mean AT ALL) helpful. So,
discontinuing the Winstrol meant certain death for Zander. I am so glad I ignored the liver enzymes. They settled down on their own, and Zander never had any liver problems after almost a FULL YEAR on Winstrol.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I had another cat with a nasal sarcoma, who was 16 when she got the sarcoma and a tiny skinny thing. I put her on Winstrol because again, there were no really
good options. Again, I had a great response, with it upping her appetite dramatically, and keeping the sarcoma in a shrunken state with far less discharge and swelling than prior to the administration of the Winstrol. Her liver enzymes went through the roof
and the vet (a very good friend of mine who is the head of vet oncology and a brilliant man) knowing how I feel about Winstrol, just asked if I would agree to discontinue the Winstrol to see if the liver enzymes would reduce. (Very gently. He knew he was on
thin ice.) I did, for a few weeks, then put her back on. She lived to age 19 with that sarcoma, because the Winstrol kept her eating, and happy and strong.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One of the smart folks on this chatline, recently sent me what was likely the stupid vet research publication which likely started the whole “liver” scare. Look
it up because I cannot attach it to this email as it will not go through. The title is, “Hepatotoxicity of stanozolol in cats” by Kenneth R. Harkin, et. al. in JAVMA, Vol. 217, No. 5, September 1, 2000. Bizarrely, in this study, the authors put the cats on
a “loading dose” of </span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red">25 mg intramuscularly</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">, then
</span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red">2 mg a day by mouth, every 12 hours</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">. So, just for starters, you see that for some reason,
they started the cats on </span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red">TEN TIMES the normal dose</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">, and them kept them on at least
</span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red">TWO TIMES the normal dose</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">for the rest of the study. Even then, here are some telltale
pieces of information:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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