<html><body><div style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Robert more natural - like pumpkin or yogurt - is wise. I know antibiotics play havoc with the intestinal system - good luck - I know you will keep everyone updated.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"ROBERT CHAPEL" <bchapel@optonline.net><br><b>To: </b>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<br><b>Cc: </b>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, August 15, 2016 4:00:33 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool<br><div><br></div>Sandy...<br>Thank you.... I am only now looking into " natural " methods to calm <br>his bowel as there are really few medicines that I am aware of for this <br>disorder that he can take that won't interfere with his already <br>compromised immune system..... the perpetual dilemma of medical care for <br>immune compromised kitties...<br><div><br></div>BTW.... his stood is not full of a lot of blood generally... a little <br>frank blood occasionally and other times red tinged mucus.... stool is <br>generally semi formed and only once did he have frank diarrhea and that <br>was following a semi formed stool..... what I am hoping is that I can <br>normalize his bowel and maybe it will return to normal.... The little <br>guy has been on several courses of antibiotics nearly back to back and <br>even the Flagyl ( which was intended to help him) might also have <br>further disturbed his intestinal flora... Would really like to back him <br>off systemic meds for a few weeks, if possible, give gut enhancing " <br>probiotics" ( if any such really exist) and see if that helps...... <br>there is , of course, always the possibility of lymphoma as well....<br>Again..... I am not going to rush into all kinds of testing until( <br>unless) the symptoms get worse...<br><div><br></div>Have to treat my Kitties like I treat my teeth.... act when I HAVE <br>to...except when preventive services will ultimately save me money in <br>the long term...<br><div><br></div><br>On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-request@felineleukemia.org <br>wrote:<br><div><br></div>> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to<br>> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<br>><br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> <br>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org<br>><br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> felvtalk-request@felineleukemia.org<br>><br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> felvtalk-owner@felineleukemia.org<br>><br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..."<br>><br>><br>> Today's Topics:<br>><br>> 1. Re: Bloody Stool (dlgegg@windstream.net)<br>><br>><br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 18:06:48 -0500<br>> From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<br>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool<br>> Message-ID: <20160814190648.LNYJ8.335.root@pamxwww03-z01><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br>><br>> I LIKE THE YOGURT AND PUMPKIN FOR UPSET TUMMIES.<br>> Sandy wrote:<br>>> Robert, I understand and sympathize your dilemma - as do the others <br>>> I'm sure. I am on a limited income also - so I really understand. Is <br>>> the stool realllllly bloody? Hopefully not. You might try some <br>>> organic canned pumpkin mixed in the wet food or use a syringe to get <br>>> it down - pumpkin is good - I know others who use organic yogurt - <br>>> each is good for any kitty cat.<br>>> Don't give up yet Sandy W<br>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>>><br>>> From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, <br>>> August 14, 2016 3:11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool<br>>><br>>> Thank you all for your responses..... I have a bit of a dilemna as <br>>> this issued didn't crop up until he had BEEN on Prednisolone oral and <br>>> ocular for a couple of months.... Didn't go for the 50 dollar fecal <br>>> test this time because his house mate ( who shares the litter box) is <br>>> symptom free.... Both are indoor cats and exposed to no food other <br>>> than what is given them. Still, I doubtless will have his stool <br>>> tested just need a couple of weeks to recover from a rash of <br>>> expenses... He is currently on weekly B12 injections and we are <br>>> looking to see if it helps his Hct ( which is a little low).... This <br>>> poor little guy has just one thing after another and ,to be frank, I <br>>> don't know how much longer I can afford the various chronic <br>>> maladies.... If his buddy ( my other Felv+ cat) goes south soon I'm <br>>> going to face a REAL dilemna..... Retirement on limited funds and <br>>> sick animals are not ideal bedfellows..... Gotta keep on Tryin....<br>>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-request@felineleukemia.org <br>>> wrote:<br>>>> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to <br>>>> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<br>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>>>> <br>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org<br>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <br>>>> felvtalk-request@felineleukemia.org<br>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at <br>>>> felvtalk-owner@felineleukemia.org<br>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific <br>>>> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..."<br>>>><br>>>> Today's Topics:<br>>>> 1. Re: Blood in Stool (Lorrie) 2. Re: Blood in Stool (Shelley Theye)<br>>>><br>>>> <br>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>>>> Message: 1 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 17:03:28 -0400 From: Lorrie To: <br>>>> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blood in Stool <br>>>> Message-ID: <20160813210328.GA910@lnx12> Content-Type: text/plain; <br>>>> charset=us-ascii<br>>>> Bob, I assume you've checked Yogi for parasites. The fact that he is <br>>>> losing weight and having soft bloody mucus could indicate IBD <br>>>> Inflammatory Bowel Disease, I have a cat with this. My cat, Sooty, <br>>>> was on Metronidazole for two weeks, and now has to take prednisolone <br>>>> every other day (transdermally) to keep this under control. He also <br>>>> gets B-12 shots once a week. I hope Yogi does not have this, as it <br>>>> is not curable, only managable. Sooty still enjoys life, but cannot <br>>>> gain weight no matter how much he eats.<br>>>> Lorrie<br>>>> assume you've had him checked for paras<br>>>> On 08-12, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:<br>>>>> My 1 yr old ( Yogi) whose life has been one problem after another <br>>>>> is now showing bloody mucus in his stool which is now becoming soft <br>>>>> as well.... Had him to the Vet and he just completed a 10 day round <br>>>>> of Flagyl... I'm already spending a fair amount with the <br>>>>> Prednisolone Acetate he needs to keep his Uveitis at bay and 300 <br>>>>> bucks later ( with an Xray) it does not look at though he has any <br>>>>> blockages... Anyone have any experience with this ?? Any relatively <br>>>>> benign possible reasons ( really hoping it is not severe autoimmune <br>>>>> bowel disorder).... This poor little guy has a lot going on for a <br>>>>> young cat.... also losing weight.... BUT...acting energetic, <br>>>>> appetite is good and he's even playing a bit despite being half <br>>>>> blind.. thanks, Bob in Warwick NY<br>>>><br>>>>> _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing <br>>>>> list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<br>>>>> <br>>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> ------------------------------<br>>>> Message: 2 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:49:09 -0400 From: Shelley Theye <br>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blood in <br>>>> Stool Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br>>>> Bob, in case this might help Yogi? My non-FeLV positive cat Frodo, <br>>>> had terrible, liquid, smelly stools with mucous for a number of <br>>>> years. Started at about 1.5 years of age. Tried metronidazole, all <br>>>> of the dewormers and treated for coccidia too, was sure he must have <br>>>> had IBD or colitis, etc. Finally what helped him was a restricted <br>>>> protein diet, to rule out a food sensitivity. We had to stick with <br>>>> the diet for months, longer than the recommended time, with a few <br>>>> metronidazole weeks interspersed, almost gave up when he got a mild <br>>>> bout of loose stool again, gave metronidazole one last time, a few <br>>>> days past when I was supposed to stop it, and glad I did, because <br>>>> his stools firmed up and became normal, and have been normal ever <br>>>> since! I have read that cats have food sensitivities more than <br>>>> actual food allergies. I am not sure to what ingredient he is <br>>>> sensitive to, and hesitate to try to figure it out, because after so <br>>>> many years of terrible stools, now he is symptom free and has been <br>>>> for a number of years. He eats Royal Canin rabbit and green pea. Not <br>>>> what I would like to feed, but in his case it was the answer. In <br>>>> case this might help. Shelley<br>>>> Shelley Theye veery@bellsouth.net<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>> On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Lorrie wrote:<br>>>>> Bob, I assume you've checked Yogi for parasites. The fact that he <br>>>>> is losing weight and having soft bloody mucus could indicate IBD <br>>>>> Inflammatory Bowel Disease, I have a cat with this. My cat, Sooty, <br>>>>> was on Metronidazole for two weeks, and now has to take <br>>>>> prednisolone every other day (transdermally) to keep this under <br>>>>> control. He also gets B-12 shots once a week. I hope Yogi does not <br>>>>> have this, as it is not curable, only managable. Sooty still enjoys <br>>>>> life, but cannot gain weight no matter how much he eats.<br>>>>> Lorrie<br>>>>> assume you've had him checked for paras<br>>>>> On 08-12, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:<br>>>>>> My 1 yr old ( Yogi) whose life has been one problem after another <br>>>>>> is now showing bloody mucus in his stool which is now becoming <br>>>>>> soft as well.... Had him to the Vet and he just completed a 10 day <br>>>>>> round of Flagyl... I'm already spending a fair amount with the <br>>>>>> Prednisolone Acetate he needs to keep his Uveitis at bay and 300 <br>>>>>> bucks later ( with an Xray) it does not look at though he has any <br>>>>>> blockages... Anyone have any experience with this ?? Any <br>>>>>> relatively benign possible reasons ( really hoping it is not <br>>>>>> severe autoimmune bowel disorder).... This poor little guy has a <br>>>>>> lot going on for a young cat.... also losing weight.... <br>>>>>> BUT...acting energetic, appetite is good and he's even playing a <br>>>>>> bit despite being half blind.. thanks, Bob in Warwick NY<br>>>>><br>>>>>> _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing <br>>>>>> list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing <br>>>>> list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<br>>>>> <br>>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> ------------------------------<br>>>> Subject: Digest Footer<br>>>> _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing <br>>>> list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <br>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org<br>>>><br>>>> ------------------------------<br>>>> End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4 <br>>>> ***************************************<br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list <br>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <br>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Subject: Digest Footer<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Felvtalk mailing list<br>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<br>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org<br>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 6<br>> ***************************************<br>><br><div><br></div>_______________________________________________<br>Felvtalk mailing list<br>Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<br>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org<br></div><div><br></div></div></body></html>