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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Totally agree!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Ardy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rachel Dagner<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 15, 2016 9:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I hate felv with all of my heart and soul. I wish it was it was something we could all stomp on and strangle and beat the living daylights out of. I did laundry tonight and washed the towel from Tucks carrier and vacuumed the porch rug that had one of his claw sheds on it. I still miss him so much. I love Josie but it's still hard to get over how unfair it is to lose our babies to some stupid little micro organism virus that needs to be wiped from the face of the earth. I pray everyday that someone finds a way to kill this virus so no animal or human ever has to suffer from it again. I long for the day when our little group is defunct because it is no longer needed. Sorry for throwing this rant in, emotional day at the Dagner household, I just want so badly for everyone's babies to be able to survive and for their humans to not have to go through this. <br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:34 PM, <<a href="mailto:swacht1946@comcast.net">swacht1946@comcast.net</a>> <<a href="mailto:swacht1946@comcast.net">swacht1946@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>I guess you all have been lucky – or your kitty cats have been lucky – stomatitis can be horrible – yes bad breath but lesions in the mouth – infection – not to be taken lightly – especially with an FeLV kitty. Speaking from experience – dealing with it now.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>I do agree 2nd opinions are important.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Sandy W<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <a href="mailto:aoakley@oakleylegal.com" title="aoakley@oakleylegal.com">Amani Oakley</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:29 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <a href="mailto:awilkins23@yahoo.com" title="awilkins23@yahoo.com">Amy</a> ; <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" title="felvtalk@felineleukemia.org">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hi Ashley</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I echo what Amy has said. Stomatitis usually presents as some reddening of the gum, usually along the teeth line. It doesn’t usually cause too much of a problem for the cats, but you might notice bad breath, for example. Sometimes it might result in the need to extract a tooth, but not too often and not usually until it has a been around a while. Antibiotics and steroids will usually help – especially prednisone. I get it from my vets now in a transdermal cream, with is great because you just rub it on the inside of a cat’s ears and you don’t need to crank open their mouths. This is especially important if their gums are sore or they have an infected tooth or more. It hurts more to open the mouth, quite obviously. I have one cat who has stomatitis and an infected tooth. I find that when I give her the transdermal prednisone, the pain in her mouth/gums is reduced and she will be able to eat normally again.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>However, as Amy has said, I don’t think it is too common to get stomatitis at a level when it is really problematic.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Amani</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Felvtalk [<a href="mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org">mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Amy<br><b>Sent:</b> June-14-16 10:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858250"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Hi Ashley,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858251"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858209"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>I can only comment on the stomatitis. Haven't dealt with asthma. I've had numerous leuk positives and have never had to deal with major mouth issues. I've had some with red gums that need a dose of antibiotics and or pred but they always respond well. I volunteer for a rescue, though, and we see so much stomatitis. There are so many treatment options and in my experience no two vets agree. Many of our cats have had 2nd opinions and they totally differ. Some vets test for Bartonella, some think it is a waste. Some do antibiotics and or steroids. Some recommend laser treatment. Some suggest full extraction. I can tell you that we have not had to do full extractions on any cats since I've been with the rescue. We always try other methods and they seem to respond well. That said, if a cat is really painful and not responding to treatment, I have heard it is more humane to extract so they are not in pain. If we had a cat that was an extreme case, we wouldn't be opposed to extractions. If I was going to do that, I think I'd want a 2nd opinion to make sure that it is really necessary as I've seen vets that jump to that too quickly.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858209"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858209"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>As far as keeping them healthy, just love them, try to minimize stress, watch their health and treat anything that comes up as needed. I'm sure supplements and other things help too but I just love mine and do everything I can to keep them healthy. Nobody knows how long you will have. I've had some that live months and I have one that has been with me 12 years. Just enjoy Twigs for whatever time you have. I hope you have many happy years together.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858211"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858253"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Just my 2 cents.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858207"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Amy</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858206"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858033"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858032"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858031"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858153"><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> ashley egger <<a href="mailto:ashleyeegger@gmail.com">ashleyeegger@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:18 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858030"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv8079122986><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858029"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858107"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Hi there!</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858028"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> I've been lurking for sometime, ever since my cat Twigs was diagnosed about a year ago. I figure it's time I post something and put myself out there and hopefully some of you may have experience or suggestions with some of things I'm facing.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858039"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858398"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> Twigs is 2 years old, got him from a rescue where he tested negative and was vaccinated against Felv. Then he developed a cough, I took him to the vet and got a terrible surprise- he tested positive (and had been exposed to no other cats since adoption.) so I'm guessing he got it while with the rescue or a false neg. the first time. Anyway- vet diagnosed Felv and stomatitis, but his bloodwork was perfect. He acts perfectly normal- eating, playing, etc. I am just filled with dread at the thought that he may not always be like this. Back at the vet today for check-up- had them do another Elisa test- still positive (damnit) but bloodwork still perfect and he has actually gained weight (a plump healthy 10-11lbs) and vet said he seemed remarkably healthy. He still has the cough and vet diagnosed asthma after I showed her a video of him having one his "spells." He does it on average once a day or every other day. She prescribed advair inhaler for the asthma and full extraction of all his teeth for the stomatitis. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858400"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>My questions I guess are:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>-Anyone have cat with both felv and asthma? any concerns with inhaler use? Is this the best treatment?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858402"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858408"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>-Any thoughts on the stomatitis and anyone have experience with the extractions? Is this the best treatment? </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858406"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858404"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>-Also what can I do to prolong this mostly healthy time for Twigs and prevent (or at least delay) his decline from the felv (ugh I HATE that word so much.) Realistically how much time do I have? I feed him good grain free food and he takes multiple supplements currently.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858410"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858471"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> I will do whatever I can to prolong his life and comfort, but cost is definitely an issue too. Anyway thanks in advance for any help. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858412"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465556622119_858414"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>-ashley</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Felvtalk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org">Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><a href="http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org</a><br><br><br></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Felvtalk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org">Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><a href="http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org">http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Felvtalk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org">Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><a href="http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org">http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>