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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I agree completely, laws can cause some problems in my reasoning on this subject, I think I know what I would choose for an inside FELV kitty though, and it seems as if at least Lorrie’s vet agrees as he will not do them on her FELV cats for a reason. And it seems as if a vet agreed that an animal’s immune system was compromised and couldn’t handle more vaccinations, without serious complications or death, that that should come into play in the stupid laws we have. Sorry, but I am upset about my dogs reactions, and do not want to put her through more rabies vaccines, she has had it 8 times, enough is enough. Tucker started having horrible UTIs after his vaccines, not one problem before that, coincidence? Maybe. And I read they give my 5lb Chihuahua the same amount of vaccine they give a St Bernard? Something seems wrong there! It might have already caused her irreversible harm. My nephew was bit by a dog in Texas and they didn’t have rabies shots, the dog was quarantined and then sent home. I am surprised they still do testing the other way if you can quarantine an animal? Anyways for anyone with a FELV cat who doesn’t want to skip rabies I agree the others should be skipped or at least closely looked at for the need for them for an inside cat, and I think this should be suggested by this group as people come here for help, it could be the difference between life and death for their cat, getting a ton of vaccines could be just the ticket to sending the functioning system into FELV hell. And if they get the rabies vaccine because they are scared not to because of laws or the chance of a scratch or bite from their cat, who without a doubt does not have rabies, I would say focus extra hard on pumping up the immune system at least a few weeks before and a few weeks after, to give them the best chance, and then pray. I hope someday they go from the 3 year shot to the 5 year shot or better yet to one or two shots in the animals entire life. After all do we get the vaccines we received as children year after year after year for the same exact things, and if we did would we get them all in one fell swoop in one office visit? No. Rabies is such a extremely rare thing these days, and has been for a very long time, it is sad we are forced into killing our animal family members with this overused vaccine. There has to be a better way. The number of cats I heard of having injection site sarcoma or however the heck you spell it on cancer sites is sad beyond belief, it is unnecessarily taken animals lives and caused suffering for not only them but for their humans as well. Ok rant over. Sorry but it really upsets me. Amani can we please file a lawsuit against someone? I think what we have here is a case of wrongful death to so many animals we couldn’t even count them. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Felvtalk [mailto:<a href="mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org">felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Margo<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 08, 2016 2:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><br><br>"Titer" with one "t". An option in some cases, but by no means a guarantee. I seldom vaccinate against anything but Rabies past the first booster, but skipping Rabies can become problematic, since it is (generally) legally mandated. Which means that a pet with no proof of vaccination can be subject to seizure, quarantine and sometimes forced testing. Testing for rabies is done using the head/brain of an animal. Check your local laws before deciding. There are many situations where a cat can be accused of exposing someone to rabies, and even a scratch to a visitor, neighbor or passerby can bring Rabies laws into play. <br><br>I do use the Purevax three year rabies, which is recognized in my State.<br><br>From this article;<br><br><a href="http://www.catster.com/lifestyle/antibody-titers-cat-vaccinations-cats-vaccines-ask-a-vet">http://www.catster.com/lifestyle/antibody-titers-cat-vaccinations-cats-vaccines-ask-a-vet</a><br><br>"Sadly, at this time titers also appear to be of little use in determining whether cats require other vaccines, such as those against rabies, coronavirus (FIP), or feline leukemia virus. This is partly because titers for these diseases are not readily available in a commercial setting, and partly because less is understood about whether titers offer an accurate approximation of immunity for these diseases. Bear in mind that rabies vaccines in cats are often mandated by law, and that most jurisdictions will not consider titers in lieu of vaccination."<br><br>Margo</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">-----Original Message----- <br>From: Rachel Dagner <br>Sent: Jun 8, 2016 10:41 AM <br>To: <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a> <br>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv <br><br><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of illnesses that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets believe that after a couple of vaccines they are protected for life, Goldstein does something called tittering so he can check the antibodies of his patients to know if they need to have another vaccine. How likely is it that our cats will get rabies? Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry about Scotchie. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">L</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> Horrible. </span><span style="color:black"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="color:black"></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Felvtalk [mailto:<a href="mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ardy Robertson<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv</span><span style="color:black"></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) died right after having a rabies vaccination!</span><span style="color:black"></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Ardy</span><span style="color:black"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="color:black"></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="color:black"></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Felvtalk [<a href="mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rachel Dagner<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv</span><span style="color:black"></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it. And if they can’t determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did he say about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important thing of all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a compromised immune system? </span><span style="color:black"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="color:black"></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Felvtalk [mailto:<a href="mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Realissa Dekraunti<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Felvtalk] different types of Felv</span><span style="color:black"></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Thanks a lot </span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>