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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The disclaimer is not bullet-proof, just like the Informed Consent form that you sign for medical procedures can be challenged. However, in the vet context, given
how little value a court would place on a deceased cat, I would think it very unlikely that such a lawsuit would be viable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Amani<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kelley S<br>
<b>Sent:</b> October-24-15 8:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> felvtalk<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In Texas, they were found to be a special kind of property like a photograph...but then that was rescinded...not sure what the status is now..but at any rate you do sign a disclaimer saying you will not sue so...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Amani Oakley <<a href="mailto:aoakley@oakleylegal.com" target="_blank">aoakley@oakleylegal.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I'm a lawyer. First, I can tell you that there wouldn’t be much of a lawsuit in the passing of an ill cat (or even a healthy one for that matter - they are just properly under the law) and second, writing down
and signing that you take full responsibility in that circumstance, is an almost impossible hurdle to overcome. Vets in Canada don’t get sued very much at all, so I would be surprised if this was even a consideration for them here. I don’t know the circumstances
in the U.S., but they are still considered property (chattel) so I doubt things would be much different in the legal sphere.<br>
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Amani<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Felvtalk [mailto:<a href="mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org</a>] On Behalf Of
<a href="mailto:dlgegg@windstream.net" target="_blank">dlgegg@windstream.net</a><br>
Sent: October-24-15 3:57 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE.<br>
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---- Maya D'Alessio <<a href="mailto:mdelow@gmail.com" target="_blank">mdelow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing<br>
> potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in<br>
> most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is<br>
> literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a<br>
> concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that<br>
> have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to<br>
> use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two<br>
> vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has<br>
> been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was<br>
> quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really<br>
> interested in hearing me out<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio<br>
> <<a href="mailto:mrdaless@uwaterloo.ca" target="_blank">mrdaless@uwaterloo.ca</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing<br>
> > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but<br>
> > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is<br>
> > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of<br>
> > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs<br>
> > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they<br>
> > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia!<br>
> > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very<br>
> > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've<br>
> > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other<br>
> > vet is not really interested in hearing me out<br>
> ><br>
> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:aoakley@oakleylegal.com" target="_blank">aoakley@oakleylegal.com</a>><br>
> > wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> Ardy – good for you!<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back<br>
> >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a<br>
> >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left with “what-ifs”.<br>
> >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well.<br>
> >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not<br>
> >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what<br>
> >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I<br>
> >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals).<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Amani<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:<a href="mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org</a>] *On<br>
> >> Behalf Of *Ardy Robertson<br>
> >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM<br>
> >><br>
> >> *To:* <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but<br>
> >> they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one<br>
> >> talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I<br>
> >> would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a<br>
> >> group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk<br>
> >> about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him,<br>
> >> and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see<br>
> >> what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about<br>
> >> Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me<br>
> >> any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be<br>
> >> pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop up.<br>
> >> He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows<br>
> >> through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little<br>
> >> furball is to us, and that he deserves to have everything possible<br>
> >> done for him. I told him I am willing to do the supportive care<br>
> >> longterm or whatever is necessary, but did not want to do the<br>
> >> unnecessary things. My goal is to change their minds about<br>
> >> instantly writing off kitties who happen to be unfortunate enough to have this virus. I am so happy I found your group because I see that everyone who has posted seems to be of the same opinion.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Ardy Robertson<br>
> >><br>
> >> Osseo, WI<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:<a href="mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org</a><br>
> >> <<a href="mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org</a>>] *On Behalf Of *Maya<br>
> >> D'Alessio<br>
> >> *Sent:* Friday, October 23, 2015 7:08 AM<br>
> >> *To:* <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Good luck Kelley! Let me know how your vet reacts about the Winstrol.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:51 AM, <<a href="mailto:dlgegg@windstream.net" target="_blank">dlgegg@windstream.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE. THE OTHERS ARE SAFE IF<br>
> >> THEY ARE VACCINATED.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> ---- Kelley S <<a href="mailto:moonvine@gmail.com" target="_blank">moonvine@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> > Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ. She ate one<br>
> >> serviing<br>
> >> > of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I don't<br>
> >> > really like her eating dry but it will put weight on her.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with<br>
> >> > the rest<br>
> >> of<br>
> >> > my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is<br>
> >> > tomorrow<br>
> >> and<br>
> >> > the other one is next Friday. He even said when he brought the<br>
> >> > FELV+ kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were<br>
> >> > vaccinated first<br>
> >> and<br>
> >> > then let them in with the others.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Kelley<br>
> >><br>
> >> _______________________________________________<br>
> >> Felvtalk mailing list<br>
> >> <a href="mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br>
> >> <a href="http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia" target="_blank">
http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia</a>.<br>
> >> org<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> --<br>
> >><br>
> >> Maya D'Alessio<br>
> >><br>
> >> PhD student<br>
> >><br>
> >> B1 377B, x32320<br>
> >><br>
> >> Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator<br>
> >><br>
> >> Biology GSA Vice Chair<br>
> >><br>
> >> GSA Director At-Large<br>
> >><br>
> >> University of Waterloo<br>
> >><br>
> >> _______________________________________________<br>
> >> Felvtalk mailing list<br>
> >> <a href="mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br>
> >> <a href="http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia" target="_blank">
http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia</a>.<br>
> >> org<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Maya D'Alessio<br>
> > PhD candidate<br>
> > President<br>
> > Graduate Student Association<br>
> > COM 104<br>
> > University of Waterloo<br>
> ><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Maya D'Alessio<br>
> PhD student<br>
> B1 377B, x32320<br>
> Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA<br>
> Director At-Large University of Waterloo<br>
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