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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>You took the words out of my mouth------- they are prepared to inject drugs that will immediately end the life of the cat, but are not willing to try a drug that may possibly damage his liver, or could restore his health…HELLO!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Amani Oakley<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 23, 2015 7:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Yes, I got the same impression. All the vets I have spoken with refer to this potential for liver problems, but they all just seemed to jump off the bandwagon and abandon the drug at that point. They didn’t continue to read the research that established that there was no actual liver damage – just spiking of liver enzymes which returned to normal later. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>And again, isn’t that our call?? Shouldn’t we be told that there is a drug but here are the side-effects? Like you, Maya, I find it defies logic that they are prepared to put your cat to sleep for goodness sake, but not prepared to risk liver damage apparently. It makes no sense at all. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Amani<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Felvtalk [<a href="mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org">mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Maya D'Alessio<br><b>Sent:</b> October-23-15 8:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.5pt'>My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in hearing me out</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio <<a href="mailto:mrdaless@uwaterloo.ca" target="_blank">mrdaless@uwaterloo.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in hearing me out<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley <<a href="mailto:aoakley@oakleylegal.com" target="_blank">aoakley@oakleylegal.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Ardy – good for you!</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left with “what-ifs”. That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I think it IS all about athletic doping scandals).</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you.</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Amani </span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Felvtalk [mailto:<a href="mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ardy Robertson<br><b>Sent:</b> October-23-15 7:57 PM</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop up. He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little furball is to us, and that he deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told him I am willing to do the supportive care longterm or whatever is necessary, but did not want to do the unnecessary things. My goal is to change their minds about instantly writing off kitties who happen to be unfortunate enough to have this virus. I am so happy I found your group because I see that everyone who has posted seems to be of the same opinion.</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Ardy Robertson</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Osseo, WI</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Felvtalk [<a href="mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Maya D'Alessio<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 23, 2015 7:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.5pt'>Good luck Kelley! Let me know how your vet reacts about the Winstrol.</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:51 AM, <<a href="mailto:dlgegg@windstream.net" target="_blank">dlgegg@windstream.net</a>> wrote:<span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE. THE OTHERS ARE SAFE IF THEY ARE VACCINATED.<span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>---- Kelley S <<a href="mailto:moonvine@gmail.com" target="_blank">moonvine@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ. She ate one serviing<br>> of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I don't really<br>> like her eating dry but it will put weight on her.<br>><br>> Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with the rest of<br>> my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is tomorrow and<br>> the other one is next Friday. He even said when he brought the FELV+<br>> kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were vaccinated first and<br>> then let them in with the others.<br>><br>> I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow.<br>><br>> Kelley<span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>_______________________________________________<br>Felvtalk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><a href="http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org</a><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><br clear=all><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Maya D'Alessio<span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>PhD student<span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>B1 377B, x32320<span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator<span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Biology GSA Vice Chair<span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>GSA Director At-Large<span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>University of Waterloo<span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-CA><br>_______________________________________________<br>Felvtalk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><a href="http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hoenzb><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.5pt;color:#888888'>Maya D'Alessio</span></span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.5pt;color:#888888'>PhD candidate<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.5pt;color:#888888'>President<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.5pt;color:#888888'>Graduate Student Association<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.5pt;color:#888888'>COM 104<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.5pt;color:#888888'>University of Waterloo<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Maya D'Alessio<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>PhD student<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>B1 377B, x32320<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Biology GSA Vice Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>GSA Director At-Large<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>University of Waterloo<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>