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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hello Maya,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>So good to hear you have good news, at least for now. Our Tigger was in the same shape it seemed. My hubby and I had actually sort of said “so long baby” to him that evening, thinking he would not make it through the night. I was exhausted, physically and emotionally! I woke very early to my husband telling me not to step on him when I get out of bed – Tigger had managed to get himself from our living room into our bedroom. He could not get up on the bed, but he was lying on the floor next to my husband. Somehow it seemed he had turned a corner. He has improved so much ever since, and most importantly he seemed to be telling us that he wants to fight this disease, and I think your little fellow seems to be saying the same thing to you!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Best wishes to you and your kitty!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Ardy Robertson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Maya D'Alessio<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 21, 2015 9:34 AM<br><b>To:</b> Margo <toomanykitties2@earthlink.net>; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I got the vibe from the vet last night that we were going down hill, and I had lost a lot of hope. I woke up to a much improved cat though! His temperature is stable (still slightly high), he hasn't lost any weight, and his purr is back to normal. He is definitely feeling better, but that doesn't mean we are out of the woods. We just did a complete blood work; liver function and all that stuff looks good (exception of high bilirubin, but the vet wasn't concerned). He's peeing, and he even did a poop! Unfortunately his WBC, neutrophils and lymphocytes are all very low. Thankfully his RBC remains normal which is positive.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The vet is recommending doing AZT, this is a different vet than yesterday and she seems more open to talknig about things. She seemed open to calling Amani's vet to chat about Winstrol.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm still force feeding, and they want to stop the prednisolone to let his WBC regenerate I think. I'm a bit nervous about stopping it. We are staying on the doxy, with cevenia and mirtazipine.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Again, right now we mostly need to wait and re-check blood work in 48 hours.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Margo <<a href="mailto:toomanykitties2@earthlink.net" target="_blank">toomanykitties2@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br>Hi Maya,<br><br> Any improvement is good news ! How bad is the anemia? What is his PCV/HCT? Is it regenerative or non-regenerative? There are medications that can help with that, which your Vet may be comfortable using. This discusses the use of erythropoietin in cats with kidney failure, but anemia is anemia.<br><br><a href="http://www.felinecrf.org/esas.htm" target="_blank">http://www.felinecrf.org/esas.htm</a><br><br>There's also a great yahoo list. I don't know how active it is anymore, but the files might help;<br><br><a href="https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline_Anemia/info" target="_blank">https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline_Anemia/info</a><br><br>I know it's frustrating not to be able to treat the FeLV itself, but we CAN manage/treat the symptoms.<br><br>Best to Merlot, and you,<br><br>Margo<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>-----Original Message----- <br>From: Maya D'Alessio <br>Sent: Oct 20, 2015 8:12 PM <br>To: <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a> <br>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Good news; his temperature is down to a "high normal", bad news; he has an anemia murmur. The vet was not hearing me about Winstrol and he seemed in a bad mood. I'm hanging on to the decreased fever as a sign of good things. We will re-do blood work tomorrow and re-asses in the morning.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Lance <<a href="mailto:linimon@fastmail.fm" target="_blank">linimon@fastmail.fm</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>My FeLV+ girl Ember got five-on five-off interferon. I can’t remember if it was 1ml or .5ml, but it wasn’t a large dose.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I seem to remember a vet at a specialized clinic telling me that we didn’t have to stagger it, but my “country vet” had prescribed it that way, and we stuck to it. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>AZT can cause serious blood abnormalities in cats. I don’t think it’s often used in treating FeLV because of that. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888'>Lance<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On Oct 20, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Maya D'Alessio <<a href="mailto:mdelow@gmail.com" target="_blank">mdelow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>You've been plenty helpful, thank you. What I need to figure out how to do, is accept the situation and be less emotional about it, no matter which way it goes, until the time comes. Right now I'm just so emotional, I keep flip-flopping between optimistic and hopeless.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Do you know with the interferon, what dose they are on? When you first started did you start immediately with the one week on, one week off, or was there a more intense initial period?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Margo <<a href="mailto:toomanykitties2@earthlink.net" target="_blank">toomanykitties2@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br><br> I remember researching AZT an deciding against it, but I don't recall why. My two boys have been on interferon for years (low dose one week on, one week off) and I've never seen any adverse effects, but when they're sick, they seem to perk up during the "on" weeks. The anti-nausea was likely Cerenia, which is being recognized for it's anti-inflammatory properties, as well.<br><br>He's improving. No need for any major decisions. That's really not a lot of drugs, all things considered :) It was two weeks until Gribs was eating normally, and seemed as if he might live. There really is no formula for mosr people. I always read "you'll know", but I'm not sure that's true. Sorry I can't be more help with that.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888'><br><br>Margo</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>-----Original Message----- <br>From: Maya D'Alessio <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Sent: Oct 20, 2015 1:56 PM <br>To: <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a> <br>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Oh wow, yes I am in Waterloo. Can you send me your vet's information and I will pass it along to my vet immediately.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>He is mentioning AZT and interferon, but Merlot has a persistent fever and won't eat, I am assuming his body is not up to those drugs yet. He's currently on doxy, prednisolone and mirtazipine (appetite stimulant), and they gave him an antinauseant shot last night (cevinia I think).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Question to the larger group; my cat is uncomfortable (although better than yesterday), I have to force feed him and he's on a ton of drugs. How long is this feasible? How long should I let it go if we don't see improvement? How do you make that call. With my last cat, she deteriorated so rapidly and it was so dire that it was a pretty straight forward call.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Amani Oakley <<a href="mailto:aoakley@oakleylegal.com" target="_blank">aoakley@oakleylegal.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Maya,<br><br>Seriously, I have to wonder about some vets. What is he offering you that will help your cat??<br><br>Anyhow, all I can say is I am happy I have a supportive vet. I will send you some links to stuff about Winstrol, but it is hard to find since the mind-set you have encountered already, is all too common, even when our cats are dying and there are few realistic alternatives.<br><br>Most of the links I will send to you will not speak to the use of Winstrol specifically for FeLV, but speak to things like building up strength and improving appetite.<br><br>Here is the first - very generic.<br><br><br><a href="http://www.petplace.com/article/drug-library/library/prescription/stanozolol-winstrol" target="_blank">http://www.petplace.com/article/drug-library/library/prescription/stanozolol-winstrol</a><br><br>Amani<br><br>P.S. - I also noticed you are not far from me. My vet is in Etobicoke, in the outskirts of Toronto. 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