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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I feel for you Maya. If there are issues with anemia, then none of the other medications he has Merlin on, will touch the anemia, other than the Winstrol. Tell
him you will sign a form if he wants you to do that, indicating that you take full responsibility for treating with Winstrol, but you want him to get it for you. Period. I just wouldn’t put up with that kind of thing, but of course, in the middle of a crisis
is no time to be looking for a new vet (unless you want to travel to Toronto).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The other frustrating thing for me as I watch what you are going through, is that I know just how quickly Winstrol starts to make a difference but you are losing
precious time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This is precisely the kind of thing I am furious about. These vets don’t tell you about something as really simple and inexpensive and effective as Winstrol,
while they have nothing at all to offer you instead. My Zander went through 2 blood transfusions – a horrible experience for him and I had to cringe at the thought of the “donor cat” from whom they collected the blood. The costs of these two transfusions,
the oxygen tent, several days in “ICU” in an ER clinic, etc., probably set my husband and I back close to $8,000. Winstrol is like $100 for 200 tablets, which last for more than 3 months and actually reversed the anemia instead of the blood transfusions which
were just stop gaps that did nothing in the end. This is why I was so angry when I told the internal medicine specialist about Winstrol a year after Zander’s crisis had begun and he had recovered thanks to the Winstrol, and vet replied that he knew about it
but there were some suggestions it might cause liver problems. Meantime, he had told me solemnly that there was nothing more they could do and the outcome was unavoidable and the odds that Zander would make it were extremely poor. So one wonders why they cared
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Seriously, if you want to consider going to my vet, to at least get you started on the Winstrol, let me know and I will speak with her. She only is at the clinic
Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays though, and the Winstrol is a special order so it also takes a few days to come in from the compounding pharmacy. (My vet uses Chiron.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I don’t know what else to suggest. I know it is really hard if you aren’t that kind of person, but put your foot down with this vet. This is a crisis where your
cat’s situation is critical and there is no time for dicking around.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Maya D'Alessio<br>
<b>Sent:</b> October-20-15 8:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good news; his temperature is down to a "high normal", bad news; he has an anemia murmur. The vet was not hearing me about Winstrol and he seemed in a bad mood. I'm hanging on to the decreased fever as a sign of good things. We will re-do
blood work tomorrow and re-asses in the morning.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Lance <<a href="mailto:linimon@fastmail.fm" target="_blank">linimon@fastmail.fm</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My FeLV+ girl Ember got five-on five-off interferon. I can’t remember if it was 1ml or .5ml, but it wasn’t a large dose.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I seem to remember a vet at a specialized clinic telling me that we didn’t have to stagger it, but my “country vet” had prescribed it that way, and we stuck to it. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">AZT can cause serious blood abnormalities in cats. I don’t think it’s often used in treating FeLV because of that. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">Lance<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Oct 20, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Maya D'Alessio <<a href="mailto:mdelow@gmail.com" target="_blank">mdelow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">You've been plenty helpful, thank you. What I need to figure out how to do, is accept the situation and be less emotional about it, no matter which way it goes, until the time comes. Right now I'm just so emotional,
I keep flip-flopping between optimistic and hopeless.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Do you know with the interferon, what dose they are on? When you first started did you start immediately with the one week on, one week off, or was there a more intense initial period?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Margo <<a href="mailto:toomanykitties2@earthlink.net" target="_blank">toomanykitties2@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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I remember researching AZT an deciding against it, but I don't recall why. My two boys have been on interferon for years (low dose one week on, one week off) and I've never seen any adverse effects, but when they're sick, they seem to perk up during the
"on" weeks. The anti-nausea was likely Cerenia, which is being recognized for it's anti-inflammatory properties, as well.<br>
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He's improving. No need for any major decisions. That's really not a lot of drugs, all things considered :) It was two weeks until Gribs was eating normally, and seemed as if he might live. There really is no formula for mosr people. I always read "you'll know",
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From: Maya D'Alessio <br>
Sent: Oct 20, 2015 1:56 PM <br>
To: <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a>
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Oh wow, yes I am in Waterloo. Can you send me your vet's information and I will pass it along to my vet immediately.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">He is mentioning AZT and interferon, but Merlot has a persistent fever and won't eat, I am assuming his body is not up to those drugs yet. He's currently on doxy, prednisolone
and mirtazipine (appetite stimulant), and they gave him an antinauseant shot last night (cevinia I think).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Question to the larger group; my cat is uncomfortable (although better than yesterday), I have to force feed him and he's on a ton of drugs. How long is this feasible? How
long should I let it go if we don't see improvement? How do you make that call. With my last cat, she deteriorated so rapidly and it was so dire that it was a pretty straight forward call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Amani Oakley <<a href="mailto:aoakley@oakleylegal.com" target="_blank">aoakley@oakleylegal.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Seriously, I have to wonder about some vets. What is he offering you that will help your cat??<br>
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Anyhow, all I can say is I am happy I have a supportive vet. I will send you some links to stuff about Winstrol, but it is hard to find since the mind-set you have encountered already, is all too common, even when our cats are dying and there are few realistic
alternatives.<br>
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Most of the links I will send to you will not speak to the use of Winstrol specifically for FeLV, but speak to things like building up strength and improving appetite.<br>
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Here is the first - very generic.<br>
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<a href="http://www.petplace.com/article/drug-library/library/prescription/stanozolol-winstrol" target="_blank">http://www.petplace.com/article/drug-library/library/prescription/stanozolol-winstrol</a><br>
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P.S. - I also noticed you are not far from me. My vet is in Etobicoke, in the outskirts of Toronto. Perhaps your vet should call my vet?<br>
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