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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Isn’t it exciting when they go back to doing something like grooming, or playing a bit! So happy that the fever is down to manageable levels – I’m sure he feels so much better! Our Tigger opens cupboard doors, shreds toilet paper when the bathroom door is left open etc. I was so happy after he started opening doors and biting the toilet tissue again! He is able to get up on our bed and safely back down now, so he is claiming his spot in bed again. We love him so much. We had found him as a tiny kitten and thought he was starving. He tested negative for FeLV at that time and now five years later, after being an indoor-only cat and with one other negative cat, he has the virus. The vet said he must have had it when we found him and the test was done during a period of him shedding the virus. I didn’t know tests have to be repeated in order to be sure. We would have kept him anyway, but why test when the test is inaccurate, and they also told me the vaccination is not always effective. They told us he didn’t need to be vaccinated if he was indoor-only. I just vets would TRY to treat FeLV rather than giving up and euthanizing – give them a chance!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Maya D'Alessio<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt'>Thanks Ardy. He just was grooming for about a minute, so that was exciting! I've been cleaning him off (especially after the feedings) as he makes a lot of mess.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:16 PM, Ardy Robertson <<a href="mailto:ardyr@centurytel.net" target="_blank">ardyr@centurytel.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hello Maya,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Just a note on your comment that your cat is not grooming himself. Our Tigger had a high fever – 105.8 and possibly higher before that – and was not grooming. I feel that the sub-cutaneous fluids helped the fever. They did that every day for a while, and I also gave small amounts of water by syringe. I used a wet wash cloth and did his grooming for him during that time, and believe it or not, I think he enjoyed being wiped down, he just wasn’t able to do it for himself. Best wishes with your cat.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Ardy Robertson</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Felvtalk [mailto:<a href="mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Maya D'Alessio<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 20, 2015 1:08 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thank you Amani, I really, really appreciate the support. I will agree with you that I do see the negative aspect of outlook from vets. With my last cat, I was less informed, and agreed with everything the vets were suggesting, including euthanization, as I was told she would just die slowly otherwise. Maybe her outlook could have been improved with some time and TLC. I feel a bit better with your 1 month time line, I was worried about a time line of days. Have your cats continued with fevers for that long? I am really concerned about how soon we should expect the fever to turn around. I think once his fever gets better he has a much better chance of regaining his appetite.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I have been syringe feeding the AD food (I think it's science diet), we are trying to get 1 can in to him every day. I know he's not extremely comfortable right now, but he has been a bit more active in the last day. He's not grooming at all though.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Amani Oakley <<a href="mailto:aoakley@oakleylegal.com" target="_blank">aoakley@oakleylegal.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hi Maya, I will send you a private email with my vet’s name and phone number. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Regarding the intake of food, you need to support him while he fights this thing. I don’t think anyone can give you a hard and fast time frame regarding when to stop, but I will do my utmost to give my cats every chance. I usually can get sufficient baby food into them via syringe if necessary, for an extended period of time usually. I continue as long as I see that it is helping to allow him to live to fight another day. With something like leukemia, when they crash, you really should expect at least a month of convalescence and reduced appetite, while hopefully other things like the Winstrol start to increase his blood counts. He needs to keep eating while his blood counts go up, and you need to give him the time to recover.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I know that other people have a very different view, and I have learned that people really are of two minds on this. I think it is a personal decision, but for me, I don’t give up unless I see there is no hope, and I don’t give up well after my vets are ready to throw in the towel. Thankfully, my vets know me well enough and trust me enough now, to let me work as hard as I can to save my cats. They provide support and help and advice, and have been wonderful enough to admit when I am successful when they had predicted nothing but failure.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Amani</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Felvtalk [mailto:<a href="mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Maya D'Alessio<br><b>Sent:</b> October-20-15 1:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.5pt'>Oh wow, yes I am in Waterloo. Can you send me your vet's information and I will pass it along to my vet immediately.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>He is mentioning AZT and interferon, but Merlot has a persistent fever and won't eat, I am assuming his body is not up to those drugs yet. He's currently on doxy, prednisolone and mirtazipine (appetite stimulant), and they gave him an antinauseant shot last night (cevinia I think).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>Question to the larger group; my cat is uncomfortable (although better than yesterday), I have to force feed him and he's on a ton of drugs. How long is this feasible? How long should I let it go if we don't see improvement? How do you make that call. With my last cat, she deteriorated so rapidly and it was so dire that it was a pretty straight forward call.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Amani Oakley <<a href="mailto:aoakley@oakleylegal.com" target="_blank">aoakley@oakleylegal.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>Maya,<br><br>Seriously, I have to wonder about some vets. What is he offering you that will help your cat??<br><br>Anyhow, all I can say is I am happy I have a supportive vet. I will send you some links to stuff about Winstrol, but it is hard to find since the mind-set you have encountered already, is all too common, even when our cats are dying and there are few realistic alternatives.<br><br>Most of the links I will send to you will not speak to the use of Winstrol specifically for FeLV, but speak to things like building up strength and improving appetite.<br><br>Here is the first - very generic.<br><br><br><a href="http://www.petplace.com/article/drug-library/library/prescription/stanozolol-winstrol" target="_blank">http://www.petplace.com/article/drug-library/library/prescription/stanozolol-winstrol</a><br><br>Amani<br><br>P.S. - I also noticed you are not far from me. My vet is in Etobicoke, in the outskirts of Toronto. Perhaps your vet should call my vet?<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Felvtalk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><a href="http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA><br><br clear=all></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>Maya D'Alessio</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>PhD student</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>B1 377B, x32320</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>Biology GSA Vice Chair</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>GSA Director At-Large</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>University of Waterloo</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Felvtalk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><a href="http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Maya D'Alessio<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>PhD student<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>B1 377B, x32320<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Biology GSA Vice Chair<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>GSA Director At-Large<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>University of Waterloo<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Felvtalk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org">Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org</a><br><a href="http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org" target="_blank">http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Maya D'Alessio<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>PhD student<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>B1 377B, x32320<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Biology GSA Vice Chair<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>GSA Director At-Large<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>University of Waterloo<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>