From pamelaolkowski at icloud.com Tue May 18 13:30:25 2021 From: pamelaolkowski at icloud.com (Pamela Olkowski) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 12:30:25 -0600 Subject: [Felvtalk] New to felv Message-ID: <5F92C5B1-81C3-4317-BD9F-53BADB3E82AD@icloud.com> I am a cat owner my whole life and have no idea about felv. I need help as we have no idea what to expect and my apologies for the long history below. Any comments are greatly appreciated After losing 3 adult cats in a year to rare cancers, we were left with a single 18 month old. We adopted another kitten from a rescue in December when he was 4 months. He was rescued with his mother from a NM shelter and both tested negative for felv/fiv. The foster home kept him about a month after he was neutered and routine immunizations and deworming were completed When having him checked at my general vet, she noted he had enlarged lymph nodes that did no subside even after teething was over. Otherwise Toby was fine. Many tests later he turned up positive for felv on both Elisa and IFA. We brought him to an internal specialist who also said Toby has the antibody for bartonella and we started a month of antibiotics. His lymph nodes have decreased and we will check this week if the second round of antibiotics have decreased further. (14 days on veraflox and 21 days on doxycycline) No other medical issues with Toby who is now 9 months old We were devastated the specialty vet told us we had to re home Toby to keep our other young cat safe. Our primary vet felt since the other cat was exposed for over 3 months and was now negative and vaccinated the risk was low. We kept both but have separate feeding stations but struggling to keep separate water Does anyone have experience keeping these - and + together? Since Toby IFA was positive yet still asymptomatic except enlarged lymph, is there any way to know if he will decline quickly? The internal medicine specialist was very pessimistic said they rarely live beyond 2 years post diagnosis. Toby?s mother and siblings are still negative per the rescue group so I was hoping for a miracle the IFA is wrong, is that possible? Can bartonella skew results ? Thank you so much Pamela Olkowski From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Tue May 18 13:44:44 2021 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 18:44:44 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] New to felv In-Reply-To: <5F92C5B1-81C3-4317-BD9F-53BADB3E82AD@icloud.com> References: <5F92C5B1-81C3-4317-BD9F-53BADB3E82AD@icloud.com> Message-ID: <445ff20557f24465ab5f627b2db6cbbe@OAKSERVER.oakley.local> Pamela First, I have kept FeLV positive cats with other cats and never ever had a transfer of the infection. Like you, we didn?t know and the kitten we took in only tested positive when he was a little under a year old. He had been mixing with our other cats for at least ten months - same food and water bowls, sleeping together, etc. I think your primary vet is correct. Keep Toby. With respect to the FeLV, treat with Winstrol + Doxycycline + Prednisone. Our FeLV cat lived to almost 8 years old, and died from a heart condition. The heart condition might have been related to the damage done by the virus, or not, but in any event, he greatly outlived all predictions. We were repeatedly told to put him down when he was one, and I just refused. Your cat doesn?t seem to be in crisis and it might be best to start him now on 1 mg Winstrol (stanozolol) twice a day plus 50 mg of Doxycycline a day. Our cat was in crisis and almost died when I stumbled upon the effectiveness of Winstrol to help the body produce red cells and stimulate the bone marrow, so after trying just about everything else I could find on the Internet, with nothing working, and after giving him 2 blood transfusions, I had run out of options. I tried Stanozolol, which I happened to have at home for another cat, thinking at best it would make him feel better and increase his appetite. I was absolutely shocked when his hematocrit immediately (and I mean within days) began to climb for the first time in a year of ordeals. We were testing him weekly so I knew exactly what his haematology was showing before the Stanozolol and what happened to his red cells, reticulocytes, and platelets (all of which were very very very low) after we gave him the Winstrol. You will have a devil of a time getting Winstrol and your vets are likely not going to believe you. I hope you have a friendly vet who can assist. Amani -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Pamela Olkowski Sent: May 18, 2021 2:30 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New to felv I am a cat owner my whole life and have no idea about felv. I need help as we have no idea what to expect and my apologies for the long history below. Any comments are greatly appreciated After losing 3 adult cats in a year to rare cancers, we were left with a single 18 month old. We adopted another kitten from a rescue in December when he was 4 months. He was rescued with his mother from a NM shelter and both tested negative for felv/fiv. The foster home kept him about a month after he was neutered and routine immunizations and deworming were completed When having him checked at my general vet, she noted he had enlarged lymph nodes that did no subside even after teething was over. Otherwise Toby was fine. Many tests later he turned up positive for felv on both Elisa and IFA. We brought him to an internal specialist who also said Toby has the antibody for bartonella and we started a month of antibiotics. His lymph nodes have decreased and we will check this week if the second round of antibiotics have decreased further. (14 days on veraflox and 21 days on doxycycline) No other medical issues with Toby who is now 9 months old We were devastated the specialty vet told us we had to re home Toby to keep our other young cat safe. Our primary vet felt since the other cat was exposed for over 3 months and was now negative and vaccinated the risk was low. We kept both but have separate feeding stations but struggling to keep separate water Does anyone have experience keeping these - and + together? Since Toby IFA was positive yet still asymptomatic except enlarged lymph, is there any way to know if he will decline quickly? The internal medicine specialist was very pessimistic said they rarely live beyond 2 years post diagnosis. Toby?s mother and siblings are still negative per the rescue group so I was hoping for a miracle the IFA is wrong, is that possible? Can bartonella skew results ? Thank you so much Pamela Olkowski _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From dlgegg at windstream.net Tue May 18 17:47:30 2021 From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 18:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] New to felv In-Reply-To: <445ff20557f24465ab5f627b2db6cbbe@OAKSERVER.oakley.local> References: <5F92C5B1-81C3-4317-BD9F-53BADB3E82AD@icloud.com> <445ff20557f24465ab5f627b2db6cbbe@OAKSERVER.oakley.local> Message-ID: <556601226.12076740.1621378050337.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Hello Amani, It has been a while. Glad to know you survived the "pandemic". All is well here despite having 2 FELV positive cats. It did not spread to others. I lost one Homey to Hyper thyroid at age 13. Everyone else has passed from old age at 18+. ----- Original Message ----- From: Amani Oakley To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 18 May 2021 14:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New to felv Pamela First, I have kept FeLV positive cats with other cats and never ever had a transfer of the infection. Like you, we didn?t know and the kitten we took in only tested positive when he was a little under a year old. He had been mixing with our other cats for at least ten months - same food and water bowls, sleeping together, etc. I think your primary vet is correct. Keep Toby. With respect to the FeLV, treat with Winstrol + Doxycycline + Prednisone. Our FeLV cat lived to almost 8 years old, and died from a heart condition. The heart condition might have been related to the damage done by the virus, or not, but in any event, he greatly outlived all predictions. We were repeatedly told to put him down when he was one, and I just refused. Your cat doesn?t seem to be in crisis and it might be best to start him now on 1 mg Winstrol (stanozolol) twice a day plus 50 mg of Doxycycline a day. Our cat was in crisis and almost died when I stumbled upon the effectiveness of Winstrol to help the body produce red cells and stimulate the bone marrow, so after trying just about everything else I could find on the Internet, with nothing working, and after giving him 2 blood transfusions, I had run out of options. I tried Stanozolol, which I happened to have at home for another cat, thinking at best it would make him feel better and increase his appetite. I was absolutely shocked when his hematocrit immediately (and I mean within days) began to climb for the first time in a year of ordeals. We were testing him weekly so I knew exactly what his haematology was showing before the Stanozolol and what happened to his red cells, reticulocytes, and platelets (all of which were very very very low) after we gave him the Winstrol. You will have a devil of a time getting Winstrol and your vets are likely not going to believe you. I hope you have a friendly vet who can assist. Amani -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Pamela Olkowski Sent: May 18, 2021 2:30 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New to felv I am a cat owner my whole life and have no idea about felv. I need help as we have no idea what to expect and my apologies for the long history below. Any comments are greatly appreciated After losing 3 adult cats in a year to rare cancers, we were left with a single 18 month old. We adopted another kitten from a rescue in December when he was 4 months. He was rescued with his mother from a NM shelter and both tested negative for felv/fiv. The foster home kept him about a month after he was neutered and routine immunizations and deworming were completed When having him checked at my general vet, she noted he had enlarged lymph nodes that did no subside even after teething was over. Otherwise Toby was fine. Many tests later he turned up positive for felv on both Elisa and IFA. We brought him to an internal specialist who also said Toby has the antibody for bartonella and we started a month of antibiotics. His lymph nodes have decreased and we will check this week if the second round of antibiotics have decreased further. (14 days on veraflox and 21 days on doxycycline) No other medical issues with Toby who is now 9 months old We were devastated the specialty vet told us we had to re home Toby to keep our other young cat safe. Our primary vet felt since the other cat was exposed for over 3 months and was now negative and vaccinated the risk was low. We kept both but have separate feeding stations but struggling to keep separate water Does anyone have experience keeping these - and + together? Since Toby IFA was positive yet still asymptomatic except enlarged lymph, is there any way to know if he will decline quickly? The internal medicine specialist was very pessimistic said they rarely live beyond 2 years post diagnosis. Toby?s mother and siblings are still negative per the rescue group so I was hoping for a miracle the IFA is wrong, is that possible? Can bartonella skew results ? Thank you so much Pamela Olkowski _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Tue May 18 17:50:13 2021 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 22:50:13 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] New to felv In-Reply-To: <556601226.12076740.1621378050337.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> References: <5F92C5B1-81C3-4317-BD9F-53BADB3E82AD@icloud.com> <445ff20557f24465ab5f627b2db6cbbe@OAKSERVER.oakley.local> <556601226.12076740.1621378050337.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Message-ID: <9031291aa6824165bc731f83dfa01b98@OAKSERVER.oakley.local> Yep - still plugging along. Good to hear you're okay too. Amani -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net Sent: May 18, 2021 6:48 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New to felv Hello Amani, It has been a while. Glad to know you survived the "pandemic". All is well here despite having 2 FELV positive cats. It did not spread to others. I lost one Homey to Hyper thyroid at age 13. Everyone else has passed from old age at 18+. ----- Original Message ----- From: Amani Oakley To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 18 May 2021 14:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New to felv Pamela First, I have kept FeLV positive cats with other cats and never ever had a transfer of the infection. Like you, we didn?t know and the kitten we took in only tested positive when he was a little under a year old. He had been mixing with our other cats for at least ten months - same food and water bowls, sleeping together, etc. I think your primary vet is correct. Keep Toby. With respect to the FeLV, treat with Winstrol + Doxycycline + Prednisone. Our FeLV cat lived to almost 8 years old, and died from a heart condition. The heart condition might have been related to the damage done by the virus, or not, but in any event, he greatly outlived all predictions. We were repeatedly told to put him down when he was one, and I just refused. Your cat doesn?t seem to be in crisis and it might be best to start him now on 1 mg Winstrol (stanozolol) twice a day plus 50 mg of Doxycycline a day. Our cat was in crisis and almost died when I stumbled upon the effectiveness of Winstrol to help the body produce red cells and stimulate the bone marrow, so after trying just about everything else I could find on the Internet, with nothing working, and after giving him 2 blood transfusions, I had run out of options. I tried Stanozolol, which I happened to have at home for another cat, thinking at best it would make him feel better and increase his appetite. I was absolutely shocked when his hematocrit immediately (and I mean within days) began to climb for the first time in a year of ordeals. We were testing him weekly so I knew exactly what his haematology was showing before the Stanozolol and what happened to his red cells, reticulocytes, and platelets (all of which were very very very low) after we gave him the Winstrol. You will have a devil of a time getting Winstrol and your vets are likely not going to believe you. I hope you have a friendly vet who can assist. Amani -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Pamela Olkowski Sent: May 18, 2021 2:30 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New to felv I am a cat owner my whole life and have no idea about felv. I need help as we have no idea what to expect and my apologies for the long history below. Any comments are greatly appreciated After losing 3 adult cats in a year to rare cancers, we were left with a single 18 month old. We adopted another kitten from a rescue in December when he was 4 months. He was rescued with his mother from a NM shelter and both tested negative for felv/fiv. The foster home kept him about a month after he was neutered and routine immunizations and deworming were completed When having him checked at my general vet, she noted he had enlarged lymph nodes that did no subside even after teething was over. Otherwise Toby was fine. Many tests later he turned up positive for felv on both Elisa and IFA. We brought him to an internal specialist who also said Toby has the antibody for bartonella and we started a month of antibiotics. His lymph nodes have decreased and we will check this week if the second round of antibiotics have decreased further. (14 days on veraflox and 21 days on doxycycline) No other medical issues with Toby who is now 9 months old We were devastated the specialty vet told us we had to re home Toby to keep our other young cat safe. Our primary vet felt since the other cat was exposed for over 3 months and was now negative and vaccinated the risk was low. We kept both but have separate feeding stations but struggling to keep separate water Does anyone have experience keeping these - and + together? Since Toby IFA was positive yet still asymptomatic except enlarged lymph, is there any way to know if he will decline quickly? The internal medicine specialist was very pessimistic said they rarely live beyond 2 years post diagnosis. Toby?s mother and siblings are still negative per the rescue group so I was hoping for a miracle the IFA is wrong, is that possible? Can bartonella skew results ? Thank you so much Pamela Olkowski _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org