[Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil

Fri Nov 15 19:00:30 CST 2019

Hi Patricia. Very interesting to hear about the effect of the Stanozolol on the elderly cat. I have used it in many other situations, and it often helps dramatically. I have a cat right now, and sadly, I am quite convinced he has a spinal tumour. Over the years, since he was a kitten, he has had bouts of very very serious symptoms, where his back end sways and he cannot stand up. He walks like he is drunk and cannot stay upright. He also shows a significant head tremor. So I started giving him Stanozolol, and every time I give it to him, the symptoms disappear entirely. In fact, so entirely, that I cannot get him properly investigated if I give him any Winstrol. Recently, he had one of these terrible and scary bouts, and he was looking awful. It was so upsetting to watch him so gave him one capsule.

I am now being forced to use human strength Winstrol since the compounding pharmacy supplying the vets recently discontinued carrying Winstrol. The human capsule is many times stronger, but I have found that giving my cat smaller doses of the capsule, is not at all effective and my research showed that athletes use this stuff at 1,000 x or higher normal doses with no negative effects. So I now give him the whole capsule, but only one every few days. That single one capsule wiped out his symptoms. I had taken him to the vets a few days after I gave him the capsule, and the vet could see the back-end weakness still, although the weakness was already better than it had been the previous weekend. The vet made an appointment for me for another MRI and neurology consult, for two weeks later. (Supposed to be on November 25th and the symptoms were on the weekend of November 2/3). But there is nothing left to show now and I am going to have to reschedule the appointment and wait for the symptoms to return so the neurologist can actually witness them. All this to say that the Winstrol is quite impressive, and in my opinion, it is acting to allow my cat compensate for something going on in his spine, which would otherwise have my cat collapsing and unable to walk.

Patricia, the medication combination I used with my FeLV cat does, I believe, effects the virus. I have researched Doxycycline, and it is effective against organisms that are very different than the usual microorganisms which are targeted by antibiotics. Antibiotics are known to be effective, largely against bacterial and obviously not viruses. Doxycycline, on the other hand, has been found to be effective against a number of viruses and a number of parasites. Having researched this, and understanding that this is nothing more than my own personal hypothesis, based on the weekly blood work I ran on my FeLV cat, I believe that the effect of the Doxycycline and the Winstrol combination is that the Winstrol strengthens the cat’s bone marrow, allowing for red cells, white cells and platelets to be regenerated. This buys time. In the meantime, the Doxycycline is preventing the virus from reproducing by interfering with cell wall synthesis of the virus. So the combination of the freezing of viral replication, and the enabling of bone marrow regeneration, may be how these meds help FeLV cats. That is also why waiting until the cat crashes and demonstrates terrible red cell counts and abnormal white cells, etc., to start the treatment, is often not successful. If the cat’s body is too damaged by the virus or the bone marrow is too far gone, then it could be anticipated that the treatment will not work.

At the very least Patricia, I would put Ferrero on the Doxycycline.

Thank you also for letting me know of the good result you have seen so far on the older stray, and thank you for doing all that you’re doing for these poor babies in Brazil.

Amani

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: November 15, 2019 6:55 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil

Hi, Amani!

You know, i am using stanozolol with an elderly fiv cat rescued some weeks ago. She was inside a box, in the street, and couldn´t even support her own weight. Anemic, huge infeccion ( more than 40.000 leukocytes!).

Now she is walking almost normal, no more anemia, progressing day by day :)

I am very grateful for finding out stanozolol through this mailing list.

About Ferrero (felv kitten), i was hoping there was something that could help him to eliminate virus. I didn´t think about felv treatment for now.

Maybe I'm being too optimistic? :(

This is Ferrero: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y_Q8LLhYoxk/Xc7_9WuIMeI/AAAAAAAAxVQ/9_B4ofolnSsC5E36Q41guTu-CoeRjbT3wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/IMG_20191115_130925.jpg

Thank you!

Patrícia

Em sex., 15 de nov. de 2019 às 17:32, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Patricia – I speak just for myself, based on my experience with my FeLV kitten. I personally would not wait. If I ever had the chance to do it all again, I would have started my kitten on treatment for FeLV well before he had his crash, months after we learned he was FeLV positive.

This virus is not just sitting quietly. It is doing damage, even if we can’t see immediately see it. The cat’s system compensates and compensates and compensates until a tipping point is reached and the cat has a catastrophic event. This is when we run to the vets, get blood work done which shows horrible results, and all sorts of heroic efforts (blood transfusions, experimental treatments, etc.) are then hysterically initiated. Many many times, it is too late, and no matter what we do, we can’t drag these tiny little angels back from the brink.

In my cat’s case, even though I was able to drag him back from the abyss, the virus nonetheless had done a lot of damage to his body. He ended up dying at a very young 7 years of age. We loved him so much, and we got six more years with him, but it was nowhere near enough. He died, ultimately, from a terribly scarred heart. We don’t know for sure, of course, but it is likely that the virus was able to damage his heart, before we were able to defeat the virus, much damage had been done to his body.

If it were me, I would start your kitten on Winstrol/Prednisone/Doxycycline even if there are no symptoms. I would not wait for the shoe to drop. I would not bet on the virus not causing a problem.

Amani

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: November 14, 2019 4:53 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil

Hello!

Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued.

Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens and this one tested positive for felv.

I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic kittens. Do you have any suggestions?

He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury but is already much better.

Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), everything else normal.

We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then?

Thank you very much!

Patrícia
Santos/SP/Brazil
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