From johnston1110 at comcast.net  Thu May  2 10:51:42 2019
From: johnston1110 at comcast.net (Lorraine Johnston)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 11:51:42 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby's viral load - good news :)
Message-ID: <007c01d500fe$f05a7190$d10f54b0$@net>

Hello,

 

Our vet sent a sample of my cousin Tom's FeLV cat Baby (*) to Scanelis in
France to determine her viral load -and the news was good! She is found to
have a very low viral load, 8.77 x 103 per 2.5 microliters of blood
examined. 

 

This is encouraging as, first, it matches her absence of symptoms, and it
implies that she can have a dental now while she's still pretty healthy.  If
Tom can keep her teeth/gums healthy, perhaps stomatitis can be avoided. 


Scanelis also noted that in spite of her low viral load, immunosuppressive
drugs should be avoided. 

 

(*Baby stays with us when Tom goes away.)

 

 

Thanks,

 

- Lorraine

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From johnston1110 at comcast.net  Thu May  2 11:13:14 2019
From: johnston1110 at comcast.net (Lorraine Johnston)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 12:13:14 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby's other bloodwork - also good news :)
Message-ID: <009301d50101$f2a2d390$d7e87ab0$@net>

Hello again,

 

Here are the results of my cousin Tom's cat Baby's traditional
(non-viral-load) bloodwork.

 

Her anemia is gone!  This is VERY good new!  And all the rest of her
bloodwork is entirely normal. By all measures, it is better than February's
was, done soon after she was bitten. I noticed when she arrived here on 4/5
that she was FAR more active than in February, so I think she's feeling much
better. 

But she tested positive via IDEXX's RealPCR "fever of unknown origin" for
one subtype of mycoplasma - they are ubiquitous (soil, etc) and some
subtypes can cause anemia. Unfortunately that IDEXX test can find the
mycoplasma DNA/RNA, but can't tell if she's just getting it, or did have it
and is recovering.  The options were to treat her, else repeat bloodwork in
1 month to see if it's gone. But because her FeLV status can make her more
vulnerable to not being able to fight off infections, it seemed sensible to
go ahead and treat her. So she's getting doxycycline for 28 days.

Baby is back home now and loving life. (-: 

 

Best regards,

 

- Lorraine 

 

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From dlgegg at windstream.net  Thu May  2 13:10:56 2019
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 14:10:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby's other bloodwork - also good news :)
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References: <009301d50101$f2a2d390$d7e87ab0$@net>
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treating with Doxy to be on safe side is good.  I have learned is best to be safe.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lorraine Johnston <johnston1110 at comcast.net>
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 02 May 2019 12:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby's other bloodwork - also good news :)

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From dlgegg at windstream.net  Thu May  2 13:12:56 2019
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 14:12:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby's viral load - good news :)
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References: <007c01d500fe$f05a7190$d10f54b0$@net>
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Question,  is this expensive?  If so will start saving just in case I ever need it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lorraine Johnston <johnston1110 at comcast.net>
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 02 May 2019 11:51:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby's viral load - good news :)

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-->Hello, Our vet sent a sample of my cousin Tom?s FeLV cat Baby (*) to Scanelis in France to determine her viral load ?and the news was good! She is found to have a very low viral load, 8.77 x 103 per 2.5 microliters of blood examined. This is encouraging as, first, it matches her absence of symptoms, and it implies that she can have a dental now while she?s still pretty healthy.  If Tom can keep her teeth/gums healthy, perhaps stomatitis can be avoided.
Scanelis also noted that in spite of her low viral load, immunosuppressive drugs should be avoided. (*Baby stays with us when Tom goes away.)  Thanks, - Lorraine
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From johnston1110 at comcast.net  Fri May  3 16:23:22 2019
From: johnston1110 at comcast.net (Lorraine Johnston)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2019 17:23:22 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] Price of FeLV viral-load test (Scanelis, France)
Message-ID: <002601d501f6$70136700$503a3500$@net>

Hi, dlgegg,

 

The FeLV viral-load test was USD $98, but friends have quoted a charge of USD $109, so I guess it goes up and down a little with the exchange rate for the Euro. 

 

My vet paid for the overseas shipping (via USPS) and passed that cost along to me, as I expected. The shipping charge was $100, but it?s very likely that my vet added a handling charge to that, so your vet might charge less (or more).  Scanelis is in the south of France, in Colomiers, a suburb of Toulouse.

 

I can send you via private email the form that Scanelis would expect to receive along with the blood. 

 

Best regards,

 

- Lorraine

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

 

Question,  is this expensive?  If so will start saving just in case I ever need it.

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From dlgegg at windstream.net  Fri May  3 19:23:32 2019
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2019 20:23:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Price of FeLV viral-load test (Scanelis, France)
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References: <002601d501f6$70136700$503a3500$@net>
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Thank you!  it would help expedite the procedure.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lorraine Johnston <johnston1110 at comcast.net>
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, 03 May 2019 17:23:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Price of FeLV viral-load test (Scanelis, France)

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From cinzaeamarelo at gmail.com  Thu May 30 11:55:43 2019
From: cinzaeamarelo at gmail.com (Patricia Oliveira)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 13:55:43 -0300
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Message-ID: <CAHJG-2SQZA+uwQiffaLtKt9jSBh-EMD6LD34H0-+06ZkwuMEiw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi from Brazil,

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.

She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.

She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness
or neurological. Already had a seizure.

She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +

She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include
prednisolone.

However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I
could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received
prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it.

The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.

Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already
receiving?

Thank you!

Patr?cia
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From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Thu May 30 17:39:26 2019
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 22:39:26 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
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Hi Patricia

The stanozolol works very well when combined with Doxy and prednisolone ? at least in my experience. I used 1 mg twice a day of stanozolol, but I started at 2 mg a day with my very sick little boy, who also had a haematocrit of 5 originally before getting a blood transfusion. He got a second blood transfusion when he hit a haematocrit of 10 again, and that?s when I started the combination of stanozolol, prednisone and Doxycycline. After he was out of the woods a bit, and I saw a response with the reticulocyte count (which was ZERO when I started the meds ? ie ? his bone marrow wasn?t producing ANY cells), then I reduced the stanozolol level to 1 mg twice a day (but I monitored his lab results and had to increase the stanozolol several times before I could safely reduce the level without seeing a drop in his haematocrit, retics, etc.).

I also had another cat come from a FIP positive feral colony, who was desperately desperately ill and didn?t think she would make it. When I got her, she had a very high fever, was runny and terribly congested, and had a percussive sound to her abdomen. I never tested her so I cannot confirm if she did have FIP, but I was told by the lady from whom I had gotten her, that several of the other cats from the FIP positive feral colony, died the same weekend I got her and tested FIP positive. I used the same stanozolol + prednisone + Doxy combination, and she pulled through very well.

I am currently using stanozolol and prednisone on a cat I first got as a kitten, and he was exhibiting neurological symptoms. We have had several problems over the years with him and I am convinced he has some sort of spinal tumour. He gets to where his back end is very swiveling (swinging), and he cannot stand or walk at all properly. He is very weak in his hindquarters. I have taken him in for several MRI?s and the problem is that I treat him before the MRI?s (because he can barely stand and clearly feels terrible). By the time I have had him in for the test (literally in two days sometimes) the symptoms will have entirely disappeared with the stanozolol and the prednisone. It happened again just last week. He was clearly worsening significantly, and could barely walk, and looked terrible. I have someone staying at the house because I have to be away for business right now. I came home on the weekend to find him in a terrible state, even though the cat sitter was giving him 10 mg prednisone daily (2 x 5 mg a day). I added stanozolol on the Friday. On Saturday, I sat for hours to try and capture the weakness on my iPhone so I could show the vets, but it was already so significantly improved that I really wasn?t able to demonstrate it on the videos I took.

I find the Stanozolol is extremely helpful with a wide variety of conditions with cats. One of the senior vet assistants who has been at our clinic for more than 30 years, recalls ? as I do ? that vets used to prescribe Stanozolol very commonly to cats for a whole variety of conditions, until the stupid Ben Johnson doping scandal at the Olympics in the late 1980?s. Because of the doping scandals, and an overly sensitive concern about liver damage (which is not established by the scientific literature ? the condition is usually temporary only), then vets stopped using it or weren?t able to get it. It is a true tragedy for our cats.

I would be very interested to hear back from you, if you do decide to try the stanozolol, to let us all know what response you got, if any.

Amani

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi from Brazil,

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.

She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or neurological. Already had a seizure.

She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +

She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone.

However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it.

The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.

Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving?

Thank you!

Patr?cia
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From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Thu May 30 18:50:25 2019
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 23:50:25 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
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Sorry Patricia ? after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn?t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.

Amani

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi from Brazil,

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.

She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or neurological. Already had a seizure.

She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +

She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone.

However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it.

The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.

Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving?

Thank you!

Patr?cia
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From khrystid at yahoo.com  Fri May 31 08:41:04 2019
From: khrystid at yahoo.com (Kristy)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 08:41:04 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty
Message-ID: <ABD03AF8-FAAB-4565-911A-B16C1591EB7D@yahoo.com>

Hi!

My husband and I recently took in a Fel-V+ kitty that showed up outside our house a couple of months ago. We already had 7 other kitties so we had to keep Fergus (kitty?s name) isolated in the upstairs portion of our house. 

He is experiencing bloating, is very gassy, and still has diarrhea (softer stools) and I was wondering if this is a typical symptom of a positive kitty. 

He?s been to the vet and no parasites were found, but he was running a fever. He is on Clavamox to help with the fever, but other than the bloating/gas/diarrhea he is a normal kitty. We?ve tried figuring out if he had an issue or allergy to specific foods, but nothing we?ve done has changed his bloating/gas/diarrhea. He did have an ultrasound at the vet visit and there were no masses or obstructions. 

Is this possibly a symptom of the Fel-V?  What sort of stuff should we be looking for?

He?s such a sweet, loving kitty and my husband?s baby!  How can we help this kitty?

Thanks for any help you can provide!
Kristy


From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Fri May 31 09:35:21 2019
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 14:35:21 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty
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Hi Kristy

The advice I repeat to everyone is that the best combination I found to treat a FeLV cat is with prednisone (prednisolone), Doxycycline and Stanozolol. I don?t know if you have run blood work to determine the haematocrit/red cell levels, but when a cat goes into crisis, it is usually because the red cells are not being replenished by the infected bone marrow (which normally produces new red cells) and the cat becomes severely anaemic. Other cell lines in the blood soon follow (white cells and platelets) because the progenitor cells which produce those blood cell lines are also found in the infected bone marrow (which is attacked by the virus). The reticulocyte count, which is a measure of new red cells being produced by the bone marrow, is very low or even zero (which it was with my cat).

I would not wait until your cat is in crisis to start the treatment. My kitten was in severe crisis when I stumbled upon this combination therapy, and it was the only thing that worked to reverse the severe anaemia. I had tried three other treatments, while doing weekly blood testing, and none of the other treatments (Interferon, LTCI and Immunoregulin) budged his results upwards by even a single point, though I had used each treatment for weeks if not months in looking for an effective treatment.

If I were you, I would get him on Doxycycline rather than, or at least in addition to the Clavamox. The Doxycycline has been found to interfere with cell wall production with some viruses. If this were my kitten, I would get started on the combination of prednisone/stanozolol/doxycycline right away. You might want to test the blood work to get a baseline first, but given that your kitten is not currently in crisis, that may not be entirely necessary.

With respect to the intestinal issues, with my FeLV cat, I had identified that there was intestinal involvement and my research confirmed that the walls of the intestines can be affected by the virus. In my cat's case, the intestines were swollen and the stool seemed to sit in there for a long time. I used metoclopramide (tiny amount 1/4 to 1/5 of a tablet before each meal) to keep everything moving along, because my cat was eating and then throwing up. Metoclopramide helps with emptying of stomach contents and moving stool out of the top 1/3 of the intestines. You might consider trying the metoclopramide to see if it will help with the bloating and gas.

Amani



-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org> On Behalf Of Kristy
Sent: May 31, 2019 9:41 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty

Hi!

My husband and I recently took in a Fel-V+ kitty that showed up outside our house a couple of months ago. We already had 7 other kitties so we had to keep Fergus (kitty?s name) isolated in the upstairs portion of our house. 

He is experiencing bloating, is very gassy, and still has diarrhea (softer stools) and I was wondering if this is a typical symptom of a positive kitty. 

He?s been to the vet and no parasites were found, but he was running a fever. He is on Clavamox to help with the fever, but other than the bloating/gas/diarrhea he is a normal kitty. We?ve tried figuring out if he had an issue or allergy to specific foods, but nothing we?ve done has changed his bloating/gas/diarrhea. He did have an ultrasound at the vet visit and there were no masses or obstructions. 

Is this possibly a symptom of the Fel-V?  What sort of stuff should we be looking for?

He?s such a sweet, loving kitty and my husband?s baby!  How can we help this kitty?

Thanks for any help you can provide!
Kristy

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