[Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 26
ROBERT CHAPEL
bchapel at optonline.net
Tue Jun 11 10:30:55 CDT 2019
I can't imagine anyone working harder to save a kittens life than you have Patricia.... I'm sure we are ALL so sorry that it was not successful... FeLV is such a terrible disease and your poor little girl has so many complications...
Bob
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> 1. Re: Rescued kitten felv + (Pam Doore)
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> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 10:55:23 -0400
> From: Pam Doore <thyme2sail at gmail.com mailto:thyme2sail at gmail.com >
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> You have my deepest sympathy Patricia! I am so so sorry!
>
> ~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~
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> *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick*
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:34 AM Patricia Oliveira <cinzaeamarelo at gmail.com mailto:cinzaeamarelo at gmail.com >
> wrote:
>
> > > Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there
> > after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure.
> >
> > >
> > > Vet medicated her so that seizure didn?t complete (diazepam and mannitol).
> >
> > >
> > > I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell.
> >
> > >
> > > When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary
> > arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again.
> >
> > >
> > > Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed
> > away.
> >
> > >
> > > As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians
> > says it is fip.
> >
> > >
> > > I don?t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn?t bring her
> > home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more
> > day at home, with sun bath and love.
> >
> > >
> > > I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for
> > Nori.
> >
> > >
> > > Thank you very much.
> >
> > > >
>
> > > Patr?cia
> >
> > >
> > > Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 ?s 00:22, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com >
> > escreveu:
> >
> > > >> We?re all pulling for Nori.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Amani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org > * On Behalf Of *Ardy
> >> Robertson
> >> *Sent:* June 10, 2019 11:21 PM
> >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello all ? I?m following Nori?s progress and please know, I?m keeping
> >> her in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone
> >> combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking
> >> such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always.
> >>
> >> Ardy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org > *On Behalf Of *Amani
> >> Oakley
> >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM
> >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous
> >> fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it
> >> makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV
> >> fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn?t take much
> >> to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I guess it?s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats
> >> whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some
> >> extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal
> >> cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I?m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Amani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org > *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> >> Oliveira
> >> *Sent:* June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
> >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives
> >> external heating too.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart
> >> rate several times a day.
> >>
> >> I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with
> >> fluids IV. I don?t know if it is safe to bring her now.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Em s?b, 8 de jun de 2019 ?s 22:03, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com >
> >> escreveu:
> >>
> >> Patricia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good
> >> news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news
> >> on the rosy gingiva.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a
> >> bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as
> >> a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack
> >> of coins ? one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is
> >> consistent with multiple myeloma. I don?t think it means anything right now
> >> other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is
> >> likely why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the
> >> transfusion, she was active and eating on her own.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on
> >> the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that
> >> with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the
> >> platelets recovered.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She
> >> is working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time
> >> to recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and
> >> medication to start to work. I don?t know how a neurological diagnosis
> >> could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a
> >> difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the
> >> stuff happening.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with
> >> you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might
> >> consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most
> >> strongly when I was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit
> >> and that made him feel better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Amani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org > *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> >> Oliveira
> >> *Sent:* June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
> >> *To:* Sandra Wachtstetter <swacht1946 at comcast.net mailto:swacht1946 at comcast.net >;
> >> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you, Sandra :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there
> >> every day.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a
> >> low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is
> >> lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some
> >> hypotheses raised for this prostration are neurological, including a
> >> possible hypoxia before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was
> >> really low.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think
> >> red cells aren?t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to
> >> know?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low
> >> platelets for the first time (92.000).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nori had an echocardiogram today too and it is ok.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Patr?cia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Em s?b, 8 de jun de 2019 ?s 11:40, Sandra Wachtstetter <
> >> swacht1946 at comcast.net mailto:swacht1946 at comcast.net > escreveu:
> >>
> >> Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a
> >> copy of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help.
> >>
> >> Good luck - don't give up!!
> >>
> >> Sandt W
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira <cinzaeamarelo at gmail.com mailto:cinzaeamarelo at gmail.com >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They
> >> started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they
> >> think that may be why she does not eat.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says
> >> it can be from leukemia.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :(
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> i?ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> thank you!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Patr?cia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 ?s 16:13, Amani Oakley < aoakley at oakleylegal.com mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com >
> >> escreveu:
> >>
> >> Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Amani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org > *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> >> Oliveira
> >> *Sent:* June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
> >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi, Amani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone
> >> would prevent hemolysis.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared
> >> right after the transfusion, but i don?t remember if it was icteric plasma
> >> on last one.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don?t know if it
> >> will be possible.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an
> >> enlarged heart.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 ?s 14:18, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com >
> >> escreveu:
> >>
> >> Hi Patricia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though
> >> I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would
> >> cause the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it
> >> is the Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back
> >> to normal, shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage
> >> to the liver. For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower
> >> heart rate) seems more likely to be related to the transfusion itself,
> >> rather than anything else going on.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a
> >> higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another
> >> explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as
> >> an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a
> >> reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or
> >> the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break down. The direct
> >> bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver function. The lab
> >> results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and Direct bilirubin.
> >> The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the direct amount from the
> >> total amount.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue
> >> the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there
> >> was nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die,
> >> period. I continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized
> >> on their own, even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for
> >> close to two years.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with
> >> blood transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my
> >> opinion ? and mine alone ? my experience and research leads me to the
> >> conclusion that the combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked
> >> to not only boost the red cell production, but I believe that the
> >> Doxycyline assisted in keeping the viruses from properly reproducing.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood
> >> work, she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Amani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org > *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> >> Oliveira
> >> *Sent:* June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
> >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi, Amani!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit
> >> went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself
> >> again.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being
> >> destroyed, isn't it?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and
> >> heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work.
> >> In the morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> i am worried again.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Patr?cia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 ?s 23:46, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com >
> >> escreveu:
> >>
> >> I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this
> >> juncture. I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See
> >> my earlier where I explain why.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Amani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org > *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> >> Oliveira
> >> *Sent:* June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
> >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi, Lorraine
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and
> >> add erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and
> >> not mycoplasma.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nori is receiving 1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1
> >> kg.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a
> >> possible cardiopathy ("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> :(
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 ?s 20:50, Lorraine Johnston <
> >> johnston1110 at comcast.net mailto:johnston1110 at comcast.net > escreveu:
> >>
> >> Patricia,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin.
> >> Stanozolol is supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she
> >> might need a boost of the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Lorraine
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the
> >> things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org ] *On Behalf
> >> Of *Patricia Oliveira
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
> >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don?t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is
> >> working. Or maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with
> >> stanozolol?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Patr?cia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Em s?b, 1 de jun de 2019 ?s 14:44, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com >
> >> escreveu:
> >>
> >> Hi Patricia ? I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except
> >> for the metoclopramide which was given ? or so before meals. The rest I
> >> gave with the meals. I didn?t observe a problem with giving them together.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind
> >> (beef or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a
> >> syringe. If my Zander wasn?t eating (and he wasn?t at the start of the
> >> medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into
> >> him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target
> >> ? say ? five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number
> >> of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby
> >> food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything
> >> he wanted until he put the weight back on.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing
> >> my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Amani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org > *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> >> Oliveira
> >> *Sent:* June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi, Amani!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanky you very much for you email!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby
> >> dry food. I tried canned but she didn?t accept so weel.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some
> >> one.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to
> >> doxy, for example?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This is Nori:
> >> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html
> >> <https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Patr?cia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 ?s 20:52, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com >
> >> escreveu:
> >>
> >> Sorry Patricia ? after going on and on in my last email, I realized I
> >> hadn?t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the
> >> stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone
> >> itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out,
> >> keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a
> >> good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the
> >> prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as
> >> well, as per my previous email.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Amani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org > *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> >> Oliveira
> >> *Sent:* May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
> >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi from Brazil,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.
> >>
> >>
> >> She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which
> >> raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
> >>
> >> She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just
> >> weakness or neurological. Already had a seizure.
> >>
> >> She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +
> >>
> >> She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include
> >> prednisolone.
> >>
> >> However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I
> >> could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received
> >> prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it.
> >>
> >> The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.
> >>
> >> Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already
> >> receiving?
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> >> Thank you!
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