[Felvtalk] Baby's intro

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On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 8:41 AM Lorraine Johnston <johnston1110 at comcast.net>
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> Thank you. I’ve shared your info with my cousin.
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> "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the
> things no one can imagine."  - Alan Turing
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> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Amani Oakley
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 21, 2019 10:18 PM
> *To:* Sandra Wachtstetter; felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro
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> Boy I t blab a lot, don’t I?
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> Amani
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> *From:* Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org> *On Behalf Of *Sandra
> Wachtstetter
> *Sent:* February 21, 2019 9:54 PM
> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro
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> Lorraine - I am part of the group and have the following into - from Amani
> - so you can see a bit more
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> *From:* Amani Oakley
> *Sent:* June-10-18 3:22 PM
> *To:* 'felvtalk at felineleukemia.org'
> *Subject:* RE: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6
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> What a very sad story about your blind cat. I understand your heart break.
> I too have placed cats into what I thought were excellent homes, only to
> have a sad, and an unnecessarily tragic outcome. I have probably adopted
> out close to 400 cats in the time my husband and I have been rescuing cats.
> Thankfully, most of the time, people are just really happy to return a cat
> to me if things aren’t working out, but I know only too well that once out
> of my hands, you’re at the mercy of what someone else thinks is the right
> thing to do.
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> Your email to FeLV talk goes out to everyone on the list at the same time.
> I will often answer regarding FeLV because I was lucky enough to have
> stumbled on a medication protocol (which I was calling Zander’s protocol)
> which treated my Zander’s FeLV when EVERYTHING else had failed. *I used
> to be a medical lab technologist, so lab results are key to me.* When
> trying Zander on the various medications that were suggested as assisting
> with FeLV, I got weekly bloodwork done and would study the results to see
> which direction his bloodwork was going. Nothing worked at all (Interferon,
> LTCI, combo of prednisone/Doxy) and I kept him alive with several blood
> transfusions. When that was no longer an option because he had had a
> reaction during his last blood transfusion and the next one would kill him,
> I rummaged around in my drawer of cat meds, and had nothing else at all to
> try but figured what the hell and tried him on Winstrol (Stanazalol) which
> I thought might at least keep him eating and maybe keep him alive a bit
> longer. To my complete and utter amazement and disbelief, after just a few
> days on Winstrol, his ivory white gums and inner ears (signs of his
> profound anemia) started showing a slight pinkish blush. The next blood
> work (a few days later) showed the first uptick in hematocrit that I had
> seen with him since the FeLV crisis had begun, which was not brought on by
> the artificial increase in red cells from his transfusions.
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> I kept him on the combination of prednisone/doxycycline/winstrol for more
> than a year, while his hematocrit climbed from 10 and back into the normal
> reference range of 25 to 45. Every time I tried to stop or reduce the
> dosage of winstrol, his blood results would show an immediate drop in red
> cells and hematocrit, so even though his liver enzymes went way up (the
> reason Winstrol had fallen out of favour with the vets), I really had no
> choice but to continue since the vets had nothing else to offer me and the
> alternative was he was going to die from the FeLV infection. He recovered
> fully, looked marvelous and amazing, ate well, and his liver enzymes went
> right back to normal once I discontinued the Winstrol – something like 10
> months later.
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> No one seemed to know this combination, and the vets I spoke with seemed
> wary or suspicious that this combination would indeed be helpful in FeLV
> (except mine – who had of course seen the weekly blood work showing a slow
> and steady rise in red cells and ultimately, in white cells and platelets,
> until his entire hematological profile looked perfectly fine). At the time,
> I was understandably extremely excited by the effects of the Winstrol and I
> believe that the Winstrol was able to cause the production of new bone
> marrow cells (something it has been found to do in osteoporotic women) and
> thus, new cells which could produce the red cells. *However, I now also
> think that the combination worked because the Doxycycline was able to
> retard or slow down the viral replication, to allow the red cell production
> to move ahead with less risk that the FeLV would attack the new bone marrow
> cells. I have been told that the prednisone helps protect the liver from
> the Winstrol, but I also think that it’s anti-inflammatory properties
> helped in areas like intestinal inflammation (Zander had lots of trouble
> eating and keeping the food down). So, I think maybe I by accident stumbled
> on this combination but was able to understand what might be happening and
> why it might have worked, because of my scientific/medical training.*
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> Zander lived another 7 years and died from a heart condition which I
> wondered at the time if it was related, and it might have been, but it
> probably was that the virus had done a fair amount of damage to certain
> organs before I was able to get it under control. We loved Zander to a
> crazy extent, and I wanted him with us for longer than 7 years but given
> that the vets were telling us there was no hope when he was only six months
> old, I guess I must just be grateful that we had him for so much longer
> than that.
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> Amani
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> On February 21, 2019 at 9:40 PM Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
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> Hi Lorraine
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> What I have suggested to many in this group, for treatment of FeLV, is the
> following combination of medications:
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> Winstrol (Stanazolol) – 1 mg twice a day
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> Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day
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> Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day
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> If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow
> moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative
> of the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet
> of apometocloprimide.
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> If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might
> consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and
> kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely
> increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this
> might also increase the liver enzymes faster.
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> Lorraine, you will very likely encounter great resistance or skepticism
> regarding the use of the Winstrol. It is an anabolic steroid, associated
> with some doping scandals in professional athletics, so it has a bad rap in
> the sports world. I haven’t yet figures out why this should matter in the
> animal world, especially since NOTHING else works to turn back on the red
> cell production in FeLV, but I am just warning you that you may get an
> unexpected reaction from the vet. If not, terrific – carry on. If you do,
> many people in this online group have managed to procure it themselves.
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> I also suggest blood work up front, so you can gauge how well the Winstrol
> is working to address the anemia. The other thing to resist, however, is
> that Winstrol may well bump up liver enzymes – sometimes dramatically. Vets
> will get alarmed at this and will often tell you to discontinue the
> Winstrol, but I would resist this. The liver enzymes almost always go back
> to normal once the Winstrol is discontinued, with no lasting harm to the
> liver, and there is really nothing else to use for this disease.
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> How long you need to stay on this regimen will depend on the lab results.
> Once the anemia is resolved (haematocrit, haemoglobin and reticulocytes
> back to normal) you may need to continue with the Winstrol for a more time.
> My experience was that every time I wanted to wean my cat off the Winstrol,
> his haematocrit would immediately drop. I kept him on the Winstrol until I
> didn’t see a drop in haematocrit when I began to wean him off. My cat’s
> results were horrible, before starting the Winstrol. (His haematocrit was
> FIVE, with ZERO percent reticulocytes, and I had given him several blood
> transfusions, which obviously were only a temporary fix.)
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> I hope this helps.
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> *From:* Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org> *On Behalf Of *Lorraine
> Johnston
> *Sent:* February 21, 2019 7:23 PM
> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Baby's intro
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> Hello,
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> I’m a new member. While caring for my cousin’s cat Baby here in my home
> during his 2-week vacation in Mexico, we had bloodwork done ahead of the
> dental cleaning that my husband and I agreed to have done for her.  She
> turned up positive for FeLeuk on ELISA, IFA, and PCR--the triple whammy.
> She’s already slightly anemic.
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> Baby was first vaccinated against FeLV in Jan. 2018 before her first-ever
> stay with us.  But the booster due at week 3-4 was missed. This was
> followed by a bite puncture in Dec. 2018. So I suspect that first vaccine
> was worn off by the time of the bite.
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> Baby is 11 and in otherwise good health, so I hope there’s a good chance
> she’ll still live her “normal span” --and perhaps even die of something
> unrelated. But the anemia is not a  good sign, I’m told.
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> I am putting together information for my cousin to try to take the edge
> off of the terrible shock this will give him. I’m of course including
> cautions about keeping her indoors, etc., and following up on any symptoms,
> etc. I hope to put off telling him until just before he flies back to the
> US.
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> I suspect my cousin would prefer treatments that are oral as opposed to
> IV. But his wife is trained as a nurse, so perhaps they would be willing to
> try difficult-to-administer treatments. I’m not sure how much room their
> budget has for expensive, imported treatments like feline interferon omega.
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> On general principles: in our home, Baby has been kept entirely separate
> from our own six cats, who are vaccinated against FeLV except for one
> little guy who has FIV whom we avoid over-vaccinating. We have always
> hand-washed after handling Baby or her dishes, even prior to this
> diagnostic info.
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> I think I’ve drawn the complete picture, but please ask if I’ve left out
> something important.
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> FWIW, I have a degree in biology and am a medical writer, so I don’t scare
> easy, and I understand big words...mostly. (-:
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> - Lorraine
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> "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the
> things no one can imagine."  - Alan Turing
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