[Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

[Amani Oakley]

I’m keeping my fingers crossed for you and Homey. It is wonderful you have found some open-minded vets. Please let us all know if you get good results. Certainly, the information I found online strongly suggests CBD Oil is quite effective in cases of hyperthyroidism in humans, but I think the trick always is in getting the correct strain. Sadly, given the decades of labelling everything from the cannabis and hemp plants as criminal, science and medicine has lagged far behind in understanding the potential of these plants. My understanding is that there are certain strains which have shown excellent results with hyperthyroidism, and I myself am still exploring how to obtain the strains you need for the conditions you seek to treat. I’m in Canada, and although everything is now legal here, it is a mess in terms of understanding this stuff. In Ontario, they closed down almost all of the dispensaries and small shops which had the expertise in this stuff, and I think that was just a bozo move to make. As I understand it, in states like Colorado where they left these dispensaries after legalizing medical marijuana, the folks who actually understood stuff about the different strains, could be found in those shops to guide you.

Hopefully, your vets have resources available to them to ensure that the right strains are obtained.

Amani

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org> On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net
Sent: April 21, 2019 11:57 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Computer acting up, not sure if my message got thru.
Homey is not felv, Shalie was.  Harley and Dee are not felv and I got them at Walmart, lady was giving away.  I chewed her out and she said visitors accidently let her out and she became pregnant.  nicely explained that if she was not breeding to sell kittens, is best for her cat and herself to get her spayed.  I believe in spay/neuter so we don't end up with more kittens to be killed on streets, being used to "blood" fighting dogs or killed in shelters.  Homey was feral.  I am against the Iodine because of the long seperation period would be hard on her and the rest of us.  She has always slept on my bed .  PLUS MY EXPERIENCE with Shali.  Can't do this to another of my fur babies.  I have contacted 2 vets who have used medical cannibus with good results and am contacting my vets who have been open minded about alternative medicine.  Hopefully they will be willing to supervise her treatment for me.  downloading info from new vets for them.

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From: Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com>>
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 20:07:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats



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Got in now. Yes, it’s true that most of our conversations relate to FeLV cats, but Dlgegg has a lot of cats (like many of us on this chatline) and we also sometimes just see
if others in the group may have experience with other conditions.

Good information you have provided regarding hyperthyroidism. Thank you,

Amani

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org>>
On Behalf Of Lorraine Johnston
Sent: April 20, 2019 7:50 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

As this group is FeLVtalk, I assumed that cats discussed here are FeLV-positive unless the writer says otherwise.


Yes, I would indeed hesitate to put a FeLV cat through I-131 therapy. We’ve seen many of our rescues go temporarily hypothyroid (ie, underactive thyroid) for 2
or more months as the treatment, after it is administered, gradually kills the overactive thyroid nodules and the healthy thyroid tissue has to wake back up. This happening is known to veterinarians administering I-131 and is one reason they recommend waiting
to test the thyroid until 60 days after treatment.

Sometimes, though, the cat’s thyroid becomes oversuppressed because too much tissue was destroyed, and the cat needs supplementation with thyroid hormone. In two
of our cases, permanent supplementation became necessary.

This is meaningful to FeLV (and FIV) cats because when the thyroid gland is working too slowly, the immune system can also slow down. This has been seen in humans
and in dogs, so I suspect cats would be affected as well.  So, for my own FIV cat and for my cousin’s FeLV kitty who we baby-sit, I wouldn’t use I-131 therapy without thinking hard about it, especially if the cat is doing well on methimazole.


Hope this helps,

- Lorraine

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine."  - Alan Turing


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 5:54 PM
To:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

And in your post, you indicated “In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, I would think hard before
putting a FeLV cat through it”. I hadn’t seen a reference to the FeLV status of Dlgegg’s cat, and that is what I was referencing. You seemed to be suggesting that you had had good experience with the radioactive iodine treatment but would reticent to contemplate
the use of that treatment on a FeLV cat.

Amani

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org>>
On Behalf Of Lorraine Johnston
Sent: April 20, 2019 5:50 PM
To:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Amani, I’m not sure who you’re addressing with this latest message, or what you mean by “don’t
remember that being mentioned,” but I was responding to the original poster (dlgegg at windstream.net
<mailto:dlgegg at windstream.net-see>– see bottom) who said that her cat is on Felimazole and that one of her prior cats did badly after I-131 (radioactive iodine).

- Lorraine


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Did I miss something in the original post about FeLV? I don’t remember that being mentioned.

Anyhow, I would reiterate my suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a concern, given the lack of any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil could be used along
with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any interference with the other medication, if there was a concern regarding discontinuing one to start the other. However, if you get a good result, you would have difficulty knowing which was responsible.


Amani


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Hello,
We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 -- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, I would think hard before
putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is working, I would be inclined to continue with it.

But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet would need to draw the blood
Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about $200 altogether.
It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh.
Best regards,
Lorraine
On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlgegg at windstream.net<mailto:dlgegg at windstream.net>" <dlgegg at windstream.net<mailto:dlgegg at windstream.net>> wrote:
Hello everyoone,

I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  the isolation was very hard
on her and she went downhill after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat that.  Homey is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery.  she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night
and 3 instances of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, holds on to me .  I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am hoping meds work.


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