[Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6

Fri Jun 8 20:23:16 CDT 2018

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   1. Re: Quentin (Marlene Snowman)

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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:22:18 -0300
From: Marlene Snowman <tessie1965 at icloud.com>
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin
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Thank you, I appreciate this.

Marlene

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>
> In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least
get her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are
having, or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only
thing to watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been
known to get stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I
have never had that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is
a concern and all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before
giving them and ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food
afterwards to ensure that the pill goes down properly. Others have
mentioned you can get Doxycycline in liquid form as well. I suspect that
the problem has been blown out of proportion to the amount of time it
actually occurs, and just like what happened with Winstrol and the link
between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed the use of
Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to ha
 ve a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may
address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections.
>
> Amani
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marlene Snowman
> Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin
>
> Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten
rid of a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more
extreme nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and
then every week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic.
>
> The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has
no issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never
been able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other
people.
>
> That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always
been, with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or
something else further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t
working on eliminating this issue. And to your point and your experience
with Zander, maybe now is the time for me to get this protocol going before
something further or a worsening.
>
> Thoughts ?
> M
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Marlene
>
> I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having
no problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned.
>
> I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little
reserves. Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more
problematic for kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in
other posts, when my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a
very sickly little kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose,
runny diarrhea and almost blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our
house with at least 8 other cats for more than 7 years and no one else got
it.
>
> With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick,
and his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting
no advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV
positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t
treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back
with a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a
normal of 25 to 45), and from September and from September to December, we
fought to keep him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option
out there ? LTCI, interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and
prednisone at that time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of
December, did we get a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red
cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of
the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood
transfusions.
>
> I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating
Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically
ill, and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline
has the ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the
viral coat. I would therefore feel that there is something which may be
gained in treating with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes
that if the virus is there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The
problem is that there is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did
anything, if the cat doesn?t go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could
obviously also be that the cat would never have gone on to have a frank
FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, I think it would be a
reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the absence of symptoms,
after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment course of 6
weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, an
 d what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading
of a virus.
>
> I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the
Doxycycline is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against
the immature phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to
done for round worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had
done that with a group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the
road, and then A YEAR later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I
couldn?t figure out what had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten
pregnant (yes ? I am totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable)
and HER KITTENS had a whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured
out that the life cycle of round worms has the immature stage going through
bodily tissues including the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye
problems which ONLY responded to oral doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical
and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save you all my pondering and
research on this, and my ultimate conclusion t
 hat deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since
the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to
deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading
the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end
up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may
also deal with this other issue at the same time.
>
> Whew.
>
> Amani
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marlene Snowman
> Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin
>
> Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for
my 3 year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when
signs/symptoms showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post
to JoAnne I should also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My
cat is 6.2 lbs. should I be combining that with some other parts of this
protocol now and only going to the winstrol at a later date?
>
> Any advice is appreciated....
>
> Marlene
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>
> Hi JoAnne
>
> If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what
might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake.
>
> My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of
Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess
would be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him
some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc.
>
> You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to
prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of
Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I
recommend, and had a very good response from, is:
>
> Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day
>
> Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day
>
> Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day
>
>
> Amani
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
JoAnne Kraun
> Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin
>
> I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online.  He was born on
March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him.  He was covered in
fleas so I took him straight to the vet.  They said he also had tapeworms.
He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of
vaccines.  His weight was 2.1 lbs.  They tested him for FIV and FeLV.
About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested
positive for FeLV, a faint positive.  I have been doing a lot of research
and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease
is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and
also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not
sick now.  He eats a lot.  I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both
Weruva and Wellness Core canned food.  He seems to be gaining weight.  He
looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten.  He is very
affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, wh
 o he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night.
>
> Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read
online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year
before he starts to get sick.  I have never had a cat with this disease.
 Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to
clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky.
>
> I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on
now, before he starts to get sick.  Regardless of how long I have him, he
will be loved and cared for.  He is already very spoiled.   I just can't
even picture this little guy being sick.  He is such a good little cat.  I
call him Q.
>
> I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago.
I haven't had a kitten for 17 years.  I have 3 dogs and thought that an
adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs.  The Cavalier is fine,
but I also have 2 Akitas.  My other cat was fine with the Akitas.  She was
not afraid of them at all.  Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either,
and he lets them give him kisses.  I do separate Q from the Akitas when I
am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she
would try to play with Q.  The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt
so easily.  Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily
and purrs whenever he is around us.
>
> What can I expect?  Will he start getting sick in a few months?  Do they
just quit eating or what happens?   I would like to think that Q will be
one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be
realistic.  I just want him to have the best quality of life that he can
have with us.
>
>
>
> JoAnne
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