From joannekraun at hotmail.com Thu Jun 7 19:21:41 2018 From: joannekraun at hotmail.com (JoAnne Kraun) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 00:21:41 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin Message-ID: I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, who he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. I just want him to have the best quality of life that he can have with us. JoAnne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tessie1965 at icloud.com Fri Jun 8 03:34:31 2018 From: tessie1965 at icloud.com (Marlene Snowman) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 05:34:31 -0300 Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi JoAnne, I have a FelV who is 3, who came to me at a month old and tested positive immediately. At that time she had infections and fleas as she was living outdoors alone. The vet recommended euthanasia, I didn?t agree. All her issues were cleared, except the FelV, although I had her tested and was hopeful a second time. I have had the vet run complete blood work to ensure a known base line. Feed her well and this vet has added wei qi with booster for her immune system and we have also used Chinese herbs previously too and Enisyl-F. I have a second adult cat who I test annually who is also given a vaccine against this. I am hopeful that my 3 year old will not develop the illnesses but at this time have not been reacting other than boosting her immune system. Others on line have much more experience than me and I?m sure will add more info. Despite the illness and what may come, these are wonderful fur babies whose life may be cut shorter yet quality and love is yours. Good luck, and don?t be afraid to give this little kitten the best life possible. Who knows what the future will hold.... M Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 7, 2018, at 9:21 PM, JoAnne Kraun wrote: > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, who he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. > > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. I just want him to have the best quality of life that he can have with us. > > > > JoAnne > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saveoliver at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 11:07:58 2018 From: saveoliver at yahoo.com (Oliver Mccann) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 16:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <818787728.2410332.1528474078582@mail.yahoo.com> There are a few things you can try but nothing proven to work. People have had good results with T-cyte, Acemannan, and Vitamin C and I think most of these drugs work better before the cat gets sick. My cat Oliver is 3.5 and has severe non regenerative anemia caused by FeLV. We just started him on T-cyte but we are not very hopeful at this stage in the game. Hopefully you have better luck with Q. Cheers On Friday, June 8, 2018, 3:34:56 AM CDT, Marlene Snowman wrote: Hi JoAnne, I have a FelV who is 3, who came to me at a month old and tested positive immediately. At that time she had infections and fleas as she was living outdoors alone. The vet recommended euthanasia, I didn?t agree. All her issues were cleared, except the FelV, although I had her tested and was hopeful a second time.? I have had the vet run complete blood work to ensure a known base line. Feed her well and this vet has added wei qi with booster for her immune system and we have also used Chinese herbs previously too and Enisyl-F. I have a second adult cat who I test annually who is also given a vaccine against this.? I am hopeful that my 3 year old will not develop the illnesses but at this time have not been reacting other than boosting her immune system.? Others on line have much more experience than me and I?m sure will add more info. Despite the illness and what may come, these are wonderful fur babies whose life may be cut shorter yet quality and love is yours.? Good luck, and don?t be afraid to give this little kitten the best life possible. Who knows what the future will hold.... M Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2018, at 9:21 PM, JoAnne Kraun wrote: I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online.? He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him.? He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet.? They said he also had tapeworms.? He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines.? His weight was 2.1 lbs.? They tested him for FIV and FeLV.? About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive.? I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now.? He eats a lot.? I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food.? He seems to be gaining weight.? He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten.? He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, who he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick.? I have never had a cat with this disease. ? Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to? clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick.? Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for.? He is already very spoiled. ? I just can't even picture this little guy being sick.? He is such a good little cat.? I call him Q. ? I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago.? I haven't had a kitten for 17 years.? I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs.? The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas.? My other cat was fine with the Akitas.? She was not afraid of them at all.? Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses.? I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q.? The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily.? Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. ? ? What can I expect?? Will he start getting sick in a few months?? Do they just quit eating or what happens? ? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic.? I just want him to have the best quality of life that he can have with us. JoAnne _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Fri Jun 8 11:21:37 2018 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 16:21:37 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi JoAnne If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of Doxycycline. I don't know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would be 25 mg daily. I don't think you need to start right away - give him some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I recommend, and had a very good response from, is: Winstrol - 1 mg twice a day Doxycycline - 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day Prednisolone - ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of JoAnne Kraun Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, who he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. I just want him to have the best quality of life that he can have with us. JoAnne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bchapel at optonline.net Fri Jun 8 11:33:15 2018 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 12:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <148707b3.42a5.163e03eb3d1.Webtop.36@optonline.net> Joanne...?? I'm so sorry that your little man tested positive.? If it's any help.. of the last 3 faint positives we have had at the shelter where I volunteer... 2 have tested negative at both 3 and 6 months.? My experience, limited as it is, is that the earlier there is a definitive Dx the shorter the lifespan of the kitty ( without the use of the protocols you'll learn about here)...? Don't assume ( in your heart) yet that you have an FelV kitten you may very well not ..? We don't assume a cat is positive until more definitive testing is done at 6 months or at the very least until the immunologic system has had a chance to mature. ( I'm assuming that your current results were from a SNAP test??......??? Thank you for caring for this kitten he sounds like he has a great personality.. Bob in NY On Fri, Jun 08, 2018 at 12:08 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Quentin (JoAnne Kraun) > 2. Re: Quentin (Marlene Snowman) > 3. Re: Quentin (Oliver Mccann) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 00:21:41 +0000 > From: JoAnne Kraun To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: > [Felvtalk] Quentin > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born > on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was > covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also > had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received > his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested > him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called > me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have > been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint > positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have > a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint > positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He > eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva > and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He > looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very > affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, who he likes to snuggle > with after he wears himself at night. > > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read > online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a > year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this > disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will > not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are > lucky. > > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on > now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, > he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just > can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good > little cat. I call him Q. > > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months > ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought > that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The > Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine > with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem > to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do > separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is > very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The > Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be > a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever > he is around us. > > > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do > they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q > will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know > I need to be realistic. I just want him to have the best quality of > life that he can have with us. > > > > > JoAnne > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 05:34:31 -0300 > From: Marlene Snowman To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi JoAnne, I have a FelV who is 3, who came to me at a month old and > tested positive immediately. At that time she had infections and fleas > as she was living outdoors alone. The vet recommended euthanasia, I > didn?t agree. All her issues were cleared, except the FelV, although I > had her tested and was hopeful a second time. > I have had the vet run complete blood work to ensure a known base > line. Feed her well and this vet has added wei qi with booster for her > immune system and we have also used Chinese herbs previously too and > Enisyl-F. I have a second adult cat who I test annually who is also > given a vaccine against this. > I am hopeful that my 3 year old will not develop the illnesses but at > this time have not been reacting other than boosting her immune > system. > Others on line have much more experience than me and I?m sure will add > more info. Despite the illness and what may come, these are wonderful > fur babies whose life may be cut shorter yet quality and love is > yours. > Good luck, and don?t be afraid to give this little kitten the best > life possible. Who knows what the future will hold.... > > M > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 7, 2018, at 9:21 PM, JoAnne Kraun wrote: >> >> I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born >> on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was >> covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he >> also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and >> received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They >> tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they >> called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. >> I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint >> positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will >> have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint >> positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He >> eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva >> and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He >> looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very >> affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, wh > o he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. >> >> Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read >> online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to >> a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with >> this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens >> will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we >> are lucky. >> >> I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on >> now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have >> him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I >> just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a >> good little cat. I call him Q. >> I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months >> ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought >> that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The >> Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine >> with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem >> to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do >> separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is >> very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The >> Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to >> be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs >> whenever he is around us. >> What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do >> they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q >> will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I >> know I need to be realistic. I just want him to have the best >> quality of life that he can have with us. >> >> >> >> JoAnne >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 16:07:58 +0000 (UTC) > From: Oliver Mccann To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > Message-ID: <818787728.2410332.1528474078582 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > There are a few things you can try but nothing proven to work. People > have had good results with T-cyte, Acemannan, and Vitamin C and I > think most of these drugs work better before the cat gets sick. My cat > Oliver is 3.5 and has severe non regenerative anemia caused by FeLV. > We just started him on T-cyte but we are not very hopeful at this > stage in the game. Hopefully you have better luck with Q. > Cheers > On Friday, June 8, 2018, 3:34:56 AM CDT, Marlene Snowman wrote: > Hi JoAnne, I have a FelV who is 3, who came to me at a month old and > tested positive immediately. At that time she had infections and fleas > as she was living outdoors alone. The vet recommended euthanasia, I > didn?t agree. All her issues were cleared, except the FelV, although I > had her tested and was hopeful a second time.? > I have had the vet run complete blood work to ensure a known base > line. Feed her well and this vet has added wei qi with booster for her > immune system and we have also used Chinese herbs previously too and > Enisyl-F. I have a second adult cat who I test annually who is also > given a vaccine against this.? > I am hopeful that my 3 year old will not develop the illnesses but at > this time have not been reacting other than boosting her immune > system.? > Others on line have much more experience than me and I?m sure will add > more info. Despite the illness and what may come, these are wonderful > fur babies whose life may be cut shorter yet quality and love is > yours.? > Good luck, and don?t be afraid to give this little kitten the best > life possible. Who knows what the future will hold.... > M > > Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 7, 2018, at 9:21 PM, JoAnne Kraun wrote: > > > > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online.? He was born > on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him.? He was > covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet.? They said he also > had tapeworms.? He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received > his first series of vaccines.? His weight was 2.1 lbs.? They tested > him for FIV and FeLV.? About 10 minutes after I got home, they called > me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive.? I have > been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint > positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have > a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint > positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now.? He > eats a lot.? I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva > and Wellness Core canned food.? He seems to be gaining weight.? He > looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten.? He is very > affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, who he likes to snuggle > with after he wears himself at night. > > > > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read > online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a > year before he starts to get sick.? I have never had a cat with this > disease. ? Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will > not be able to? clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are > lucky. > > > > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on > now, before he starts to get sick.? Regardless of how long I have him, > he will be loved and cared for.? He is already very spoiled. ? I just > can't even picture this little guy being sick.? He is such a good > little cat.? I call him Q. ? > > > > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months > ago.? I haven't had a kitten for 17 years.? I have 3 dogs and thought > that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs.? The > Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas.? My other cat was fine > with the Akitas.? She was not afraid of them at all.? Q does not seem > to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses.? I do > separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is > very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q.? The > Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily.? Q seems to be > a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever > he is around us. ? ? > > > > > What can I expect?? Will he start getting sick in a few months?? Do > they just quit eating or what happens? ? I would like to think that Q > will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know > I need to be realistic.? I just want him to have the best quality of > life that he can have with us. > > > > > > > > > > JoAnne _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 1 > *************************************** > From tessie1965 at icloud.com Fri Jun 8 11:40:33 2018 From: tessie1965 at icloud.com (Marlene Snowman) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 13:40:33 -0300 Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BC86868-7342-4B6F-A410-BFBAAEF2E45E@icloud.com> Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going to the winstrol at a later date? Any advice is appreciated.... Marlene Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi JoAnne > > If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. > > My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. > > You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I recommend, and had a very good response from, is: > > Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day > > Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of JoAnne Kraun > Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, who he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. > > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. I just want him to have the best quality of life that he can have with us. > > > > JoAnne > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Fri Jun 8 13:04:38 2018 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 18:04:38 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin In-Reply-To: <4BC86868-7342-4B6F-A410-BFBAAEF2E45E@icloud.com> References: <4BC86868-7342-4B6F-A410-BFBAAEF2E45E@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hi Marlene I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned. I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it. With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 to 45), and from September and from September to December, we fought to keep him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there ? LTCI, interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood transfusions. I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn?t go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat would never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, and what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of a virus. I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had done that with a group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I couldn?t figure out what had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten pregnant (yes ? I am totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable) and HER KITTENS had a whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that the life cycle of round worms has the immature stage going through bodily tissues including the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY responded to oral doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save you all my pondering and research on this, and my ultimate conclusion that deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same time. Whew. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going to the winstrol at a later date? Any advice is appreciated.... Marlene Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: Hi JoAnne If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I recommend, and had a very good response from, is: Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of JoAnne Kraun Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, who he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. I just want him to have the best quality of life that he can have with us. JoAnne _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tessie1965 at icloud.com Fri Jun 8 13:39:27 2018 From: tessie1965 at icloud.com (Marlene Snowman) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 15:39:27 -0300 Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin In-Reply-To: References: <4BC86868-7342-4B6F-A410-BFBAAEF2E45E@icloud.com> Message-ID: <28590102-413B-4067-8FBA-0210A3813FBC@icloud.com> Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic. The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people. That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t working on eliminating this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is the time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a worsening. Thoughts ? M Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Marlene > > I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned. > > I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it. > > With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 to 45), and from September and from September to December, we fought to keep him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there ? LTCI, interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood transfusions. > > I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn?t go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat would never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, and what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of a virus. > > I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had done that with a group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I couldn?t figure out what had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten pregnant (yes ? I am totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable) and HER KITTENS had a whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that the life cycle of round worms has the immature stage going through bodily tissues including the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY responded to oral doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save you all my pondering and research on this, and my ultimate conclusion that deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same time. > > Whew. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going to the winstrol at a later date? > > Any advice is appreciated.... > > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi JoAnne > > If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. > > My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. > > You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I recommend, and had a very good response from, is: > > Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day > > Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of JoAnne Kraun > Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, who he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. > > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. I just want him to have the best quality of life that he can have with us. > > > > JoAnne > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Fri Jun 8 13:48:57 2018 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 18:48:57 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin In-Reply-To: <28590102-413B-4067-8FBA-0210A3813FBC@icloud.com> References: <4BC86868-7342-4B6F-A410-BFBAAEF2E45E@icloud.com> <28590102-413B-4067-8FBA-0210A3813FBC@icloud.com> Message-ID: In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been known to get stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is a concern and all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before giving them and ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food afterwards to ensure that the pill goes down properly. Others have mentioned you can get Doxycycline in liquid form as well. I suspect that the problem has been blown out of proportion to the amount of time it actually occurs, and just like what happened with Winstrol and the link between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed the use of Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to have a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic. The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people. That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t working on eliminating this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is the time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a worsening. Thoughts ? M Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: Hi Marlene I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned. I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it. With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 to 45), and from September and from September to December, we fought to keep him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there ? LTCI, interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood transfusions. I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn?t go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat would never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, and what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of a virus. I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had done that with a group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I couldn?t figure out what had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten pregnant (yes ? I am totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable) and HER KITTENS had a whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that the life cycle of round worms has the immature stage going through bodily tissues including the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY responded to oral doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save you all my pondering and research on this, and my ultimate conclusion that deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same time. Whew. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going to the winstrol at a later date? Any advice is appreciated.... Marlene Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: Hi JoAnne If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I recommend, and had a very good response from, is: Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of JoAnne Kraun Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, who he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. I just want him to have the best quality of life that he can have with us. JoAnne _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tessie1965 at icloud.com Fri Jun 8 14:22:18 2018 From: tessie1965 at icloud.com (Marlene Snowman) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:22:18 -0300 Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin In-Reply-To: References: <4BC86868-7342-4B6F-A410-BFBAAEF2E45E@icloud.com> <28590102-413B-4067-8FBA-0210A3813FBC@icloud.com> Message-ID: <14D133E6-4407-4D32-9BB0-E90919ACFD77@icloud.com> Thank you, I appreciate this. Marlene Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been known to get stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is a concern and all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before giving them and ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food afterwards to ensure that the pill goes down properly. Others have mentioned you can get Doxycycline in liquid form as well. I suspect that the problem has been blown out of proportion to the amount of time it actually occurs, and just like what happened with Winstrol and the link between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed the use of Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to have a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic. > > The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people. > > That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t working on eliminating this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is the time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a worsening. > > Thoughts ? > M > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Marlene > > I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned. > > I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it. > > With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 to 45), and from September and from September to December, we fought to keep him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there ? LTCI, interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood transfusions. > > I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn?t go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat would never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, and what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of a virus. > > I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had done that with a group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I couldn?t figure out what had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten pregnant (yes ? I am totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable) and HER KITTENS had a whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that the life cycle of round worms has the immature stage going through bodily tissues including the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY responded to oral doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save you all my pondering and research on this, and my ultimate conclusion that deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same time. > > Whew. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going to the winstrol at a later date? > > Any advice is appreciated.... > > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi JoAnne > > If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. > > My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. > > You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I recommend, and had a very good response from, is: > > Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day > > Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of JoAnne Kraun > Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, who he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. > > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. 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Re: Quentin (Marlene Snowman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:22:18 -0300 From: Marlene Snowman To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin Message-ID: <14D133E6-4407-4D32-9BB0-E90919ACFD77 at icloud.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you, I appreciate this. Marlene Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been known to get stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is a concern and all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before giving them and ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food afterwards to ensure that the pill goes down properly. Others have mentioned you can get Doxycycline in liquid form as well. I suspect that the problem has been blown out of proportion to the amount of time it actually occurs, and just like what happened with Winstrol and the link between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed the use of Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to ha ve a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic. > > The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people. > > That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t working on eliminating this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is the time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a worsening. > > Thoughts ? > M > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Marlene > > I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned. > > I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it. > > With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 to 45), and from September and from September to December, we fought to keep him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there ? LTCI, interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood transfusions. > > I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn?t go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat would never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, an d what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of a virus. > > I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had done that with a group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I couldn?t figure out what had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten pregnant (yes ? I am totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable) and HER KITTENS had a whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that the life cycle of round worms has the immature stage going through bodily tissues including the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY responded to oral doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save you all my pondering and research on this, and my ultimate conclusion t hat deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same time. > > Whew. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going to the winstrol at a later date? > > Any advice is appreciated.... > > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi JoAnne > > If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. > > My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. > > You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I recommend, and had a very good response from, is: > > Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day > > Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of JoAnne Kraun > Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, wh o he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. > > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. 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A male tabby community cat by my house who I befriended turns out to be double positive.-:( I would notice pain when he was eating so then I eventually pureed wet food in the blender til was like soup and sat with him while he ate... I was so happy he?d eat! Even that was hard sometimes til eventually it was manageable. My plan was to neuter/shots/chip/get tested, and adopt. Things took a different order b/c I felt so bad about his mouth so I took him by my vet first to diagnose... well he tested double positive-:(, and has very bad stomatitis. I got antibiotics, and am gonna give with collodial silver. He has neuter appt. In a couple weeks. They think he is 5-6 y/o. I am at a crossroads b/c I do not want to put him back outside-:( yet I don?t want to expose my cats. Speaking to our vet, Adopting him ourselves doesn?t seem too super viable unless we separate him and we?d wonder or worry about possible cross contamination. Vaccinating our indoor cats doesn?t seem practical as it would get costly and concerning b/c of possible side effects or efficacy. Which leads me to: If he were an only cat (or only cat with other animals), OR in a multi-positive house with experienced felv parents, that would be options for him.. I just want him to be indoor only, loved, safe, and cared for; it?s a lot to take on but he?s So worth it and deserves it; he clearly was overlooked in the neighborhood and now has a chance at at least comfort care and love; if it can?t be me, my hope is it would be someone who gets his situation and loves and cares for him no matter what. To a right home with good people, I would be willing to transport and/or support $ him if needed. Do you know of anyone? Is this a forum that I could ask? Thank you for ur compassion, and time! Jennifer 305-298-3709 > On Jun 8, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Deborah Whorley wrote: > > Latest discussion from this group. Start at the bottom. There were other > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > Date: Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 1:22 PM > Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Quentin (Marlene Snowman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:22:18 -0300 > From: Marlene Snowman > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > Message-ID: <14D133E6-4407-4D32-9BB0-E90919ACFD77 at icloud.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you, I appreciate this. > > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been known to get stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is a concern and all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before giving them and ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food afterwards to ensure that the pill goes down properly. Others have mentioned you can get Doxycycline in liquid form as well. I suspect that the problem has been blown out of proportion to the amount of time it actually occurs, and just like what happened with Winstrol and the link between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed the use of Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to ha > ve a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > > Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > > > Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic. > > > > The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people. > > > > That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t working on eliminating this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is the time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a worsening. > > > > Thoughts ? > > M > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > Hi Marlene > > > > I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned. > > > > I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it. > > > > With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 to 45), and from September and from September to December, we fought to keep him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there ? LTCI, interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood transfusions. > > > > I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn?t go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat would never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, an > d what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of a virus. > > > > I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had done that with a group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I couldn?t figure out what had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten pregnant (yes ? I am totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable) and HER KITTENS had a whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that the life cycle of round worms has the immature stage going through bodily tissues including the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY responded to oral doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save you all my pondering and research on this, and my ultimate conclusion t > hat deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same time. > > > > Whew. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > > Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > > > Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going to the winstrol at a later date? > > > > Any advice is appreciated.... > > > > Marlene > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > Hi JoAnne > > > > If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. > > > > My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. > > > > You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I recommend, and had a very good response from, is: > > > > Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day > > > > Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > > > Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of JoAnne Kraun > > Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, wh > o he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. > > > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. > > > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. > > > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. > > > > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. 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URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Sat Jun 9 12:24:19 2018 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2018 17:24:19 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jennifer ? from your area code, you are no where near me. You need to post where you are. Can I also suggest you get your vet to start him on doxycycline ? 50 mg. daily, for an extended treatment period like 6 weeks. As long as he isn?t showing other symptoms other than the stomatitis, that should be enough for now. Even if your vet wants to put him other antibiotics, the Doxycycline should also be considered alongside other meds. It has been to shown to interfere with viral replication so it might help. I have used it for both FeLV and FIV cats, and had good results. (I won?t go into the details, since everyone on this chatline is well and truly tired of me posting the same stuff in answer to new inquiries?.) I think what you?re doing is simply tremendous. Unfortunately, you may have a very difficult time finding a home for him. Anyone who doesn?t have a cat already is not a crazy cat person, and therefore, likely unwilling to take on a cat with significant responsibilities ? at least into the future. Anyone with a cat or cats will have the same issues you mention with respect to worrying about cross-contamination. I agree that someone with a positive household may be an option. Though I doubt it can help with your decision-making (since I understand the fact that no one can reassure you 100% that nothing will happen), I have had both FeLV cats and FIP cats enter my household on several occasions. Each time, my vet would warn that this would ?clear out my house? when it came to the other cats. However, I never had another cat become FeLV positive or FIP positive. I think that kittens are vulnerable, so I stayed away from taking on kittens when I had these cats, but other than that, not much else changed. My FeLV cat lived to age 7, and had had a significant time frame when he was very ill and therefore likely shedding the virus. I had at last 8 other cats during this time frame. No one ever got sick. I currently have a FIP+ cat, and have had her for four years already, and I am shockingly up to 18 cats (don?t ask - taking in all the neighbourhood strays) and no one else has had a problem with FIP ? AND I had two litters of kittens in the house this past year, and took in a another kitten who was about 6 months old in October ? again, so far so good. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich Sent: June-09-18 12:53 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 Hello, I subscribed a few years ago but have never posted; not even sure how. I think I tried and never worked. Is this a forum to ask advice and/or ask about long term foster or adopter? Please I hope u will read this. ? Thank you. A male tabby community cat by my house who I befriended turns out to be double positive.-:( I would notice pain when he was eating so then I eventually pureed wet food in the blender til was like soup and sat with him while he ate... I was so happy he?d eat! Even that was hard sometimes til eventually it was manageable. My plan was to neuter/shots/chip/get tested, and adopt. Things took a different order b/c I felt so bad about his mouth so I took him by my vet first to diagnose... well he tested double positive-:(, and has very bad stomatitis. I got antibiotics, and am gonna give with collodial silver. He has neuter appt. In a couple weeks. They think he is 5-6 y/o. I am at a crossroads b/c I do not want to put him back outside-:( yet I don?t want to expose my cats. Speaking to our vet, Adopting him ourselves doesn?t seem too super viable unless we separate him and we?d wonder or worry about possible cross contamination. Vaccinating our indoor cats doesn?t seem practical as it would get costly and concerning b/c of possible side effects or efficacy. Which leads me to: If he were an only cat (or only cat with other animals), OR in a multi-positive house with experienced felv parents, that would be options for him.. I just want him to be indoor only, loved, safe, and cared for; it?s a lot to take on but he?s So worth it and deserves it; he clearly was overlooked in the neighborhood and now has a chance at at least comfort care and love; if it can?t be me, my hope is it would be someone who gets his situation and loves and cares for him no matter what. To a right home with good people, I would be willing to transport and/or support $ him if needed. Do you know of anyone? Is this a forum that I could ask? Thank you for ur compassion, and time! Jennifer 305-298-3709 On Jun 8, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Deborah Whorley > wrote: Latest discussion from this group. Start at the bottom. There were other ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: > Date: Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 1:22 PM Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk at felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Quentin (Marlene Snowman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:22:18 -0300 From: Marlene Snowman > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin Message-ID: <14D133E6-4407-4D32-9BB0-E90919ACFD77 at icloud.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you, I appreciate this. Marlene Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been known to get stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is a concern and all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before giving them and ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food afterwards to ensure that the pill goes down properly. Others have mentioned you can get Doxycycline in liquid form as well. I suspect that the problem has been blown out of proportion to the amount of time it actually occurs, and just like what happened with Winstrol and the link between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed the use of Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to ha ve a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic. > > The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people. > > That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t working on eliminating this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is the time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a worsening. > > Thoughts ? > M > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > Hi Marlene > > I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned. > > I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it. > > With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 to 45), and from September and from September to December, we fought to keep him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there ? LTCI, interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood transfusions. > > I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn?t go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat would never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, an d what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of a virus. > > I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had done that with a group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I couldn?t figure out what had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten pregnant (yes ? I am totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable) and HER KITTENS had a whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that the life cycle of round worms has the immature stage going through bodily tissues including the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY responded to oral doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save you all my pondering and research on this, and my ultimate conclusion t hat deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same time. > > Whew. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going to the winstrol at a later date? > > Any advice is appreciated.... > > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > Hi JoAnne > > If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. > > My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. > > You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I recommend, and had a very good response from, is: > > Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day > > Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of JoAnne Kraun > Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, wh o he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. > > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. 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Sorry to be ignorant but, how do I post where I am? (Not sure what that means). And If I post, is it ok to ?put it out there? re: possible home with other felv positives? Esp because I would be willing to help support him which I think makes a difference. we?d love to keep and care for him and this sucks !! but i?m trying to be positive that a plan will happen. He went from hissy street cat to curling up in my lap. Urg! I?d worry with someone else unless it was someone with experience, or like u said non cat crazy people but compassionate and committed. We discussed it a few times and just would not be comfortable with the risk of coMingling them unfortunately,-:( which sucks. Or the whole vaccination thing b/c with multiple other cats it?ll be too much craziness plus not even sure of efficacy, or side effects. That leaves me with leaving him separated and constantly trying to be sterilized on our end which seems cumbersome and I?m not so sure fair to him to be isolated all the time. OR the only cat. OR in a multi pos. home (prob. preferrable b/c someone would know how to treat him). OR putting him back outside which doesn?t seem best for him. I can imagine there are times it works out ok to comingle yes, where it can be ok vs ?oh my gosh no don?t do that?. That is what happened with my FIV cat which is a long story but bottom line after research and talking to folks it was an ok fit b/c no one were fighters. felv is different. I have known others (individuals or rescues) where exposure of different things had bad outcomes. I guess it?s a matter of variables, situations and/or luck. Sounds like you have been fortunate which is awesome. (Thanks for ALL u do to help the felines-:) I got the antibiotic before seeing this. I am familiar with doxy and thought that?s what he?d give, but it was Orbax (Orbifloxacin). Are U familiar? When i got it I asked front desk if it was as strong as doxy and she said yes and that it?s broad spectrum antibiotic. Thoughts? Are u familiar with Collodial Silver? If not I can send the link. I was recommended this yesterday for use for people and cats or other animals. Cat person said she uses all the time for different things from bacterial infections to URI?s. It?s a natural antibiotic. It lists as an option for stomatitis and felv use so I imagine it cannot hurt, in basic doses. (supposed to be good for many things including inflammation and immune-building). I plan to give him that and the antibiotic; was ok with vet . With ur experience and what u?ve heard (he?s between 5-7 yrs. old they say; to be neutered in couple weeks; 10lbs (needs gain some); Bad stomatitis (i?ll send pic if u want ): A) what?s ur feeling about putting him back outside? (I?ve never done that; he could get by but My feeling is he shouldn?t be in the elements and would do better inside)?- just not sure what will happen if there are no other good options. B) at that age and what you are hearing... any sense of lifespan? (I know it?s hard to say but was guessing 2-4 years or up to a year). my vet said oldest one he knew of was patient?s who lived to 8y/o. What?s ur feeling of assessing if he could last a while or if things could go south quickly?? I guess i?m trying to imagine how long or short term the commitment may be. C). He would def . seem to have felv by way of strong stain and stomatitis. In doing some research, I wonder about the confirmTory IFA test. It seems if it?s pos. too, that it?s in the bone marrow and no chance shedding it. Thanks! Jennifer > On Jun 9,r 2018, at 1:24 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Jennifer ? from your area code, you are no where near me. You need to post where you are. > > Can I also suggest you get your vet to start him on doxycycline ? 50 mg. daily, for an extended treatment period like 6 weeks. As long as he isn?t showing other symptoms other than the stomatitis, that should be enough for now. Even if your vet wants to put him other antibiotics, the Doxycycline should also be considered alongside other meds. It has been to shown to interfere with viral replication so it might help. I have used it for both FeLV and FIV cats, and had good results. (I won?t go into the details, since everyone on this chatline is well and truly tired of me posting the same stuff in answer to new inquiriesJ.) > > I think what you?re doing is simply tremendous. Unfortunately, you may have a very difficult time finding a home for him. Anyone who doesn?t have a cat already is not a crazy cat person, and therefore, likely unwilling to take on a cat with significant responsibilities ? at least into the future. Anyone with a cat or cats will have the same issues you mention with respect to worrying about cross-contamination. I agree that someone with a positive household may be an option. > > Though I doubt it can help with your decision-making (since I understand the fact that no one can reassure you 100% that nothing will happen), I have had both FeLV cats and FIP cats enter my household on several occasions. Each time, my vet would warn that this would ?clear out my house? when it came to the other cats. However, I never had another cat become FeLV positive or FIP positive. I think that kittens are vulnerable, so I stayed away from taking on kittens when I had these cats, but other than that, not much else changed. My FeLV cat lived to age 7, and had had a significant time frame when he was very ill and therefore likely shedding the virus. I had at last 8 other cats during this time frame. No one ever got sick. I currently have a FIP+ cat, and have had her for four years already, and I am shockingly up to 18 cats (don?t ask - taking in all the neighbourhood strays) and no one else has had a problem with FIP ? AND I had two litters of kittens in the house this past year, and took in a another kitten who was about 6 months old in October ? again, so far so good. > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich > Sent: June-09-18 12:53 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 > > Hello, I subscribed a few years ago but have never posted; not even sure how. > I think I tried and never worked. > Is this a forum to ask advice and/or ask about long term foster or adopter? Please I hope u will read this. ? Thank you. > > A male tabby community cat by my house who I befriended turns out to be double positive.-:( I would notice pain when he was eating so then I eventually pureed wet food in the blender til was like soup and sat with him while he ate... I was so happy he?d eat! > Even that was hard sometimes til eventually it was manageable. > > My plan was to neuter/shots/chip/get tested, and adopt. > > Things took a different order b/c I felt so bad about his mouth so I took him by my vet first to diagnose... well he tested double > positive-:(, and has very bad stomatitis. I got antibiotics, and am gonna give with collodial silver. He has neuter appt. In a couple weeks. They think he is > 5-6 y/o. > > I am at a crossroads b/c I do not want to put him back outside-:( yet I don?t want to expose my cats. > > Speaking to our vet, Adopting him ourselves doesn?t seem too super viable unless we separate him and we?d wonder or worry about possible cross contamination. > Vaccinating our indoor cats doesn?t seem practical as it would get costly and concerning b/c of possible side effects or efficacy. > > Which leads me to: If he were an only cat (or only cat with other animals), OR in a multi-positive house with experienced felv parents, that would be options for him.. I just want him to be indoor only, loved, safe, and cared for; it?s a lot to take on but he?s So worth it and deserves it; he clearly was overlooked in the neighborhood and now has a chance at at least comfort care and love; if it can?t be me, my hope is it would be someone who gets his situation and loves and cares for him no matter what. > To a right home with good people, I would be willing to transport and/or support $ him if needed. > Do you know of anyone? Is this a forum that > I could ask? > > > Thank you for ur compassion, and time! > Jennifer > 305-298-3709 > > > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Deborah Whorley wrote: > > Latest discussion from this group. Start at the bottom. There were other > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > Date: Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 1:22 PM > Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Quentin (Marlene Snowman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:22:18 -0300 > From: Marlene Snowman > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > Message-ID: <14D133E6-4407-4D32-9BB0-E90919ACFD77 at icloud.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you, I appreciate this. > > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been known to get stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is a concern and all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before giving them and ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food afterwards to ensure that the pill goes down properly. Others have mentioned you can get Doxycycline in liquid form as well. I suspect that the problem has been blown out of proportion to the amount of time it actually occurs, and just like what happened with Winstrol and the link between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed the use of Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to ha > ve a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > > Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > > > Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic. > > > > The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people. > > > > That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t working on eliminating this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is the time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a worsening. > > > > Thoughts ? > > M > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > Hi Marlene > > > > I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned. > > > > I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it. > > > > With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 to 45), and from September and from September to December, we fought to keep him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there ? LTCI, interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood transfusions. > > > > I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn?t go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat would never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, an > d what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of a virus. > > > > I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had done that with a group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I couldn?t figure out what had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten pregnant (yes ? I am totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable) and HER KITTENS had a whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that the life cycle of round worms has the immature stage going through bodily tissues including the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY responded to oral doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save you all my pondering and research on this, and my ultimate conclusion t > hat deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same time. > > > > Whew. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > > Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > > > Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going to the winstrol at a later date? > > > > Any advice is appreciated.... > > > > Marlene > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > Hi JoAnne > > > > If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. > > > > My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. > > > > You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I recommend, and had a very good response from, is: > > > > Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day > > > > Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > > > Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of JoAnne Kraun > > Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, wh > o he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. > > > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. > > > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. > > > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. > > > > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. 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URL: From dlgegg at windstream.net Sat Jun 9 20:49:47 2018 From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2018 21:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <663CF158-8A2D-4F03-A293-F0B870C49984@brandbooster.com> References: <663CF158-8A2D-4F03-A293-F0B870C49984@brandbooster.com> Message-ID: <192029067.120075436.1528595387194.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Jennifer, I don't think that you need to be so sterile. I have been taking in strays and dump cats for over 40 years, some positive and some not. Each one goes to the vet to be sure they are healthy and then join the pride in my house. I have had 3 positives and none of the others (over 40) have been infected. Every one including my positives has lived to 18+ years. As long as you are observant and keep on top of things, you should be okay. Vaccinate the negatives if you want, but as long as you keep stress out of their lives, giver them good quality food, clean water and follow medical advise of Amani and others here, you should be okay. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jennifer Minnich To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, 09 Jun 2018 18:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 Hi, thank you for replying. It is helpful to talk to someone with experience with this. Sorry to be ignorant but, how do I post where I am? (Not sure what that means). And If I post, is it ok to ?put it out there? re: possible home with other felv positives? Esp because I would be willing to help support him which I think makes a difference. we?d love to keep and care for him and this sucks !! but i?m trying to be positive that a plan will happen. He went from hissy street cat to curling up in my lap. Urg! I?d worry with someone else unless it was someone with experience, or like u said non cat crazy people but compassionate and committed. We discussed it a few times and just would not be comfortable with the risk of coMingling them unfortunately,-:( which sucks. Or the whole vaccination thing b/c with multiple other cats it?ll be too much craziness plus not even sure of efficacy, or side effects. That leaves me with leaving him separated and constantly trying to be sterilized on our end which seems cumbersome and I?m not so sure fair to him to be isolated all the time. OR the only cat. OR in a multi pos. home (prob. preferrable b/c someone would know how to treat him). OR putting him back outside which doesn?t seem best for him. I can imagine there are times it works out ok to comingle yes, where it can be ok vs ?oh my gosh no don?t do that?. That is what happened with my FIV cat which is a long story but bottom line after research and talking to folks it was an ok fit b/c no one were fighters. felv is different. I have known others (individuals or rescues) where exposure of different things had bad outcomes. I guess it?s a matter of variables, situations and/or luck. Sounds like you have been fortunate which is awesome.(Thanks for ALL u do to help the felines-:) I got the antibiotic before seeing this. I amfamiliar with doxy and thought that?s what he?d give, but it was Orbax (Orbifloxacin).Are U familiar? When i got it I asked front desk if it was as strong as doxy and she said yes and that it?s broad spectrum antibiotic. Thoughts? Are u familiar with Collodial Silver? If not I can send the link. I was recommended this yesterday for use for people and cats or other animals. Cat person said she uses all the time for different things from bacterial infections to URI?s. It?s a natural antibiotic. It lists as an option for stomatitis and felv use so I imagine it cannot hurt, in basic doses. (supposed to be good for many things including inflammation and immune-building). I plan to give him that and the antibiotic; was ok with vet . With ur experience and what u?ve heard (he?s between 5-7 yrs. old they say; to be neutered in couple weeks; 10lbs (needs gain some); Bad stomatitis (i?ll send pic if u want ): A) what?s ur feeling about putting himback outside? (I?ve never done that; he could get by but My feeling is he shouldn?t be in the elements and would do better inside)?- just not sure what will happen if there are no other good options. B) at that age and what you are hearing... any sense of lifespan? (I know it?s hard to say but was guessing 2-4 years or up to a year). my vet said oldest one he knew of was patient?s who lived to 8y/o. What?s ur feeling of assessing if he could last a while or if things could go south quickly??I guess i?m trying to imagine how long or short term the commitment may be. C). He would def . seem to have felv by way of strong stain and stomatitis. In doing some research, I wonder about the confirmTory IFA test. It seems if it?s pos. too, that it?s in the bone marrow and no chance shedding it. Thanks!Jennifer On Jun 9,r 2018, at 1:24 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: Jennifer ? from your area code, you are no where near me. You need to post where you are. Can I also suggest you get your vet to start him on doxycycline ? 50 mg. daily, for an extended treatment period like 6 weeks. As long as he isn?t showing other symptoms other than the stomatitis, that should be enough for now. Even if your vet wants to put him other antibiotics, the Doxycycline should also be considered alongside other meds. It has been to shown to interfere with viral replication so it might help. I have used it for both FeLV and FIV cats, and had good results. (I won?t go into the details, since everyone on this chatline is well and truly tired of me posting the same stuff in answer to new inquiriesJ.) I think what you?re doing is simply tremendous. Unfortunately, you may have a very difficult time finding a home for him. Anyone who doesn?t have a cat already is not a crazy cat person, and therefore, likely unwilling to take on a cat with significant responsibilities ? at least into the future. Anyone with a cat or cats will have the same issues you mention with respect to worrying about cross-contamination. I agree that someone with a positive household may be an option. Though I doubt it can help with your decision-making (since I understand the fact that no one can reassure you 100% that nothing will happen), I have had both FeLV cats and FIP cats enter my household on several occasions. Each time, my vet would warn that this would ?clear out my house? when it came to the other cats. However, I never had another cat become FeLV positive or FIP positive. I think that kittens are vulnerable, so I stayed away from taking on kittens when I had these cats, but other than that, not much else changed. My FeLV cat lived to age 7, and had had a significant time frame when he was very ill and therefore likely shedding the virus. I had at last 8 other cats during this time frame. No one ever got sick. I currently have a FIP+ cat, and have had her for four years already, and I am shockingly up to 18 cats (don?t ask - taking in all the neighbourhood strays) and no one else has had a problem with FIP ? AND I had two litters of kittens in the house this past year, and took in a another kitten who was about 6 months old in October ? again, so far so good. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich Sent: June-09-18 12:53 PM To:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 Hello, I subscribed a few years ago but have never posted; not even sure how.I think I tried and never worked. Is this a forum to ask advice and/or ask about long term foster or adopter? Please I hope u will read this. \uD83D\uDE4F Thank you. A male tabby community cat by my house who I befriended turns out to be double positive.-:( I would notice pain when he was eating so then I eventually pureed wet food in the blender til was like soup and sat with him while he ate... I was so happy he?d eat! Even that was hard sometimes til eventually it was manageable. My plan was to neuter/shots/chip/get tested, and adopt. Things took a different order b/c I felt so bad about his mouth so I took him by my vet first to diagnose... well he tested double positive-:(, and has very bad stomatitis. I got antibiotics, and am gonna give with collodial silver. He has neuter appt. In a couple weeks. They think he is5-6 y/o. I am at a crossroads b/c I do not want to put him back outside-:( yet I don?t want to expose my cats. Speaking to our vet, Adopting him ourselves doesn?t seem too super viable unless we separate him and we?d wonder or worry about possible cross contamination. Vaccinating our indoor cats doesn?t seem practical as it would get costly and concerning b/c of possible side effects or efficacy. Which leads me to: If he were an only cat (or only cat with other animals), OR in a multi-positive house with experienced felv parents, that would be options for him.. I just want him to be indoor only, loved, safe, and cared for; it?s a lot to take on but he?s So worth it and deserves it; he clearly was overlooked in the neighborhood and now has a chance at at least comfort care and love; if it can?t be me, my hope is it would be someone who gets his situation and loves and cares for him no matter what. To a right home with good people, I would be willing to transport and/or support $ him if needed. Do you know of anyone? Is this a forum that I could ask? Thank you for ur compassion, and time! Jennifer305-298-3709 On Jun 8, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Deborah Whorley wrote:Latest discussion from this group. Start at the bottom. 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Re: Quentin (Marlene Snowman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:22:18 -0300 From: Marlene Snowman To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin Message-ID: <14D133E6-4407-4D32-9BB0-E90919ACFD77 at icloud.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you, I appreciate this. Marlene Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been known to get stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is a concern and all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before giving them and ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food afterwards to ensure that the pill goes down properly. Others have mentioned you can get Doxycycline in liquid form as well. I suspect that the problem has been blown out of proportion to the amount of time it actually occurs, and just like what happened with Winstrol and the link between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed the use of Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to ha ve a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic. > > The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people. > > That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t working on eliminating this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is the time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a worsening. > > Thoughts ? > M > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Marlene > > I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned. > > I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it. > > With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 to 45), and from September and from September to December, we fought to keep him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there ? LTCI, interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood transfusions. > > I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn?t go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat would never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, an d what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of a virus. > > I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had done that with a group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I couldn?t figure out what had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten pregnant (yes ? I am totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable) and HER KITTENS had a whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that the life cycle of round worms has the immature stage going through bodily tissues including the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY responded to oral doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save you all my pondering and research on this, and my ultimate conclusion t hat deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same time. > > Whew. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going to the winstrol at a later date? > > Any advice is appreciated.... > > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi JoAnne > > If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. > > My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. > > You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I recommend, and had a very good response from, is: > > Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day > > Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of JoAnne Kraun > Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, wh o he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. > > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. 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URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Sat Jun 9 23:20:04 2018 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 04:20:04 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <663CF158-8A2D-4F03-A293-F0B870C49984@brandbooster.com> References: <663CF158-8A2D-4F03-A293-F0B870C49984@brandbooster.com> Message-ID: Hi Jennifer There are people in this group from all over the U.S. (New York, Texas, Wisconsin, California, etc.) and all around the world (Canada ? me!; Brazil, Italy, South Africa), so I just meant that if you tell us in your email, approximately where you?re located, there may be people near you who might be willing to help out with your cat. In my personal opinion, once you?ve taken the time and care to tame down a feral, as you have clearly done, I would never put them back out on the street. But maybe that?s why I?m up to 18 cats now! I just think that once they know what it?s like to be warm and clean and loved, it is just too terrible to put them back outside again. Frankly, of the two conditions, it is the FIV which is more contagious so if you?ve had experience with that, and it turned out okay, in my experience, it won?t be the FeLV that causes a problem, unless you have kittens in your house. Adult cats can end up testing positive for FeLV, but it doesn?t do anything to them. I agree with you that you should try hard to find him another home, but if all else fails, please consider keeping him. It sounds like you?ve done just a wonderful thing for him, and he obviously loves you very much. With respect to the anbiotic, nothing is like Doxycyline other than another tetracycline. Broad-spectrum antibiotics cover Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria ? that is what is meant by broad spectrum. Doxycycline had effects on bacteria, viruses (block viral ability to replicate), spirochetes (eg ? Lyme Disease), parasites (eg ? malaria, immature stage of the roundworm), etc. Don?t let them try and substitute Doxcycycline ? it works very differently than almost every other antibiotic. Nothing at all wrong with the Orbifloxacin ? it is a floroquinolone I think ? same family as ciprofloxacin ? and it is effect against some organisms like Pseudomonas aeruginosa and Staph aureus which are tough bugs to kill. But I suggested the Doxycycline because it might help with the background viral issues. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich Sent: June-09-18 6:19 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 Hi, thank you for replying. It is helpful to talk to someone with experience with this. Sorry to be ignorant but, how do I post where I am? (Not sure what that means). And If I post, is it ok to ?put it out there? re: possible home with other felv positives? Esp because I would be willing to help support him which I think makes a difference. we?d love to keep and care for him and this sucks !! but i?m trying to be positive that a plan will happen. He went from hissy street cat to curling up in my lap. Urg! I?d worry with someone else unless it was someone with experience, or like u said non cat crazy people but compassionate and committed. We discussed it a few times and just would not be comfortable with the risk of coMingling them unfortunately,-:( which sucks. Or the whole vaccination thing b/c with multiple other cats it?ll be too much craziness plus not even sure of efficacy, or side effects. That leaves me with leaving him separated and constantly trying to be sterilized on our end which seems cumbersome and I?m not so sure fair to him to be isolated all the time. OR the only cat. OR in a multi pos. home (prob. preferrable b/c someone would know how to treat him). OR putting him back outside which doesn?t seem best for him. I can imagine there are times it works out ok to comingle yes, where it can be ok vs ?oh my gosh no don?t do that?. That is what happened with my FIV cat which is a long story but bottom line after research and talking to folks it was an ok fit b/c no one were fighters. felv is different. I have known others (individuals or rescues) where exposure of different things had bad outcomes. I guess it?s a matter of variables, situations and/or luck. Sounds like you have been fortunate which is awesome. (Thanks for ALL u do to help the felines-:) I got the antibiotic before seeing this. I am familiar with doxy and thought that?s what he?d give, but it was Orbax (Orbifloxacin). Are U familiar? When i got it I asked front desk if it was as strong as doxy and she said yes and that it?s broad spectrum antibiotic. Thoughts? Are u familiar with Collodial Silver? If not I can send the link. I was recommended this yesterday for use for people and cats or other animals. Cat person said she uses all the time for different things from bacterial infections to URI?s. It?s a natural antibiotic. It lists as an option for stomatitis and felv use so I imagine it cannot hurt, in basic doses. (supposed to be good for many things including inflammation and immune-building). I plan to give him that and the antibiotic; was ok with vet . With ur experience and what u?ve heard (he?s between 5-7 yrs. old they say; to be neutered in couple weeks; 10lbs (needs gain some); Bad stomatitis (i?ll send pic if u want ): A) what?s ur feeling about putting him back outside? (I?ve never done that; he could get by but My feeling is he shouldn?t be in the elements and would do better inside)?- just not sure what will happen if there are no other good options. B) at that age and what you are hearing... any sense of lifespan? (I know it?s hard to say but was guessing 2-4 years or up to a year). my vet said oldest one he knew of was patient?s who lived to 8y/o. What?s ur feeling of assessing if he could last a while or if things could go south quickly?? I guess i?m trying to imagine how long or short term the commitment may be. C). He would def . seem to have felv by way of strong stain and stomatitis. In doing some research, I wonder about the confirmTory IFA test. It seems if it?s pos. too, that it?s in the bone marrow and no chance shedding it. Thanks! Jennifer On Jun 9,r 2018, at 1:24 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: Jennifer ? from your area code, you are no where near me. You need to post where you are. Can I also suggest you get your vet to start him on doxycycline ? 50 mg. daily, for an extended treatment period like 6 weeks. As long as he isn?t showing other symptoms other than the stomatitis, that should be enough for now. Even if your vet wants to put him other antibiotics, the Doxycycline should also be considered alongside other meds. It has been to shown to interfere with viral replication so it might help. I have used it for both FeLV and FIV cats, and had good results. (I won?t go into the details, since everyone on this chatline is well and truly tired of me posting the same stuff in answer to new inquiries?.) I think what you?re doing is simply tremendous. Unfortunately, you may have a very difficult time finding a home for him. Anyone who doesn?t have a cat already is not a crazy cat person, and therefore, likely unwilling to take on a cat with significant responsibilities ? at least into the future. Anyone with a cat or cats will have the same issues you mention with respect to worrying about cross-contamination. I agree that someone with a positive household may be an option. Though I doubt it can help with your decision-making (since I understand the fact that no one can reassure you 100% that nothing will happen), I have had both FeLV cats and FIP cats enter my household on several occasions. Each time, my vet would warn that this would ?clear out my house? when it came to the other cats. However, I never had another cat become FeLV positive or FIP positive. I think that kittens are vulnerable, so I stayed away from taking on kittens when I had these cats, but other than that, not much else changed. My FeLV cat lived to age 7, and had had a significant time frame when he was very ill and therefore likely shedding the virus. I had at last 8 other cats during this time frame. No one ever got sick. I currently have a FIP+ cat, and have had her for four years already, and I am shockingly up to 18 cats (don?t ask - taking in all the neighbourhood strays) and no one else has had a problem with FIP ? AND I had two litters of kittens in the house this past year, and took in a another kitten who was about 6 months old in October ? again, so far so good. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich Sent: June-09-18 12:53 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 Hello, I subscribed a few years ago but have never posted; not even sure how. I think I tried and never worked. Is this a forum to ask advice and/or ask about long term foster or adopter? Please I hope u will read this. ? Thank you. A male tabby community cat by my house who I befriended turns out to be double positive.-:( I would notice pain when he was eating so then I eventually pureed wet food in the blender til was like soup and sat with him while he ate... I was so happy he?d eat! Even that was hard sometimes til eventually it was manageable. My plan was to neuter/shots/chip/get tested, and adopt. Things took a different order b/c I felt so bad about his mouth so I took him by my vet first to diagnose... well he tested double positive-:(, and has very bad stomatitis. I got antibiotics, and am gonna give with collodial silver. He has neuter appt. In a couple weeks. They think he is 5-6 y/o. I am at a crossroads b/c I do not want to put him back outside-:( yet I don?t want to expose my cats. Speaking to our vet, Adopting him ourselves doesn?t seem too super viable unless we separate him and we?d wonder or worry about possible cross contamination. Vaccinating our indoor cats doesn?t seem practical as it would get costly and concerning b/c of possible side effects or efficacy. Which leads me to: If he were an only cat (or only cat with other animals), OR in a multi-positive house with experienced felv parents, that would be options for him.. I just want him to be indoor only, loved, safe, and cared for; it?s a lot to take on but he?s So worth it and deserves it; he clearly was overlooked in the neighborhood and now has a chance at at least comfort care and love; if it can?t be me, my hope is it would be someone who gets his situation and loves and cares for him no matter what. To a right home with good people, I would be willing to transport and/or support $ him if needed. Do you know of anyone? Is this a forum that I could ask? Thank you for ur compassion, and time! Jennifer 305-298-3709 On Jun 8, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Deborah Whorley > wrote: Latest discussion from this group. Start at the bottom. There were other ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: > Date: Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 1:22 PM Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk at felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Quentin (Marlene Snowman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:22:18 -0300 From: Marlene Snowman > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin Message-ID: <14D133E6-4407-4D32-9BB0-E90919ACFD77 at icloud.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you, I appreciate this. Marlene Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been known to get stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is a concern and all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before giving them and ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food afterwards to ensure that the pill goes down properly. Others have mentioned you can get Doxycycline in liquid form as well. I suspect that the problem has been blown out of proportion to the amount of time it actually occurs, and just like what happened with Winstrol and the link between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed the use of Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to ha ve a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic. > > The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people. > > That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t working on eliminating this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is the time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a worsening. > > Thoughts ? > M > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > Hi Marlene > > I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned. > > I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it. > > With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 to 45), and from September and from September to December, we fought to keep him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there ? LTCI, interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood transfusions. > > I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn?t go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat would never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, an d what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of a virus. > > I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had done that with a group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I couldn?t figure out what had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten pregnant (yes ? I am totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable) and HER KITTENS had a whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that the life cycle of round worms has the immature stage going through bodily tissues including the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY responded to oral doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save you all my pondering and research on this, and my ultimate conclusion t hat deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same time. > > Whew. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going to the winstrol at a later date? > > Any advice is appreciated.... > > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > Hi JoAnne > > If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. > > My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. > > You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I recommend, and had a very good response from, is: > > Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day > > Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of JoAnne Kraun > Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, wh o he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. > > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. 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URL: From jennifer at brandbooster.com Sun Jun 10 05:53:30 2018 From: jennifer at brandbooster.com (Jennifer Minnich) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 06:53:30 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: References: <663CF158-8A2D-4F03-A293-F0B870C49984@brandbooster.com> Message-ID: <368F1B5F-E945-414E-9987-FAC144591FA0@brandbooster.com> Thanks so much Amani. What an amazing global group. Very awesome to have such support for folks and these cats, everywhere! Amani, when I am emailing you now, is it going out to the group or just you? For example, is there a different email I should be using. Please let me know, and then I?ll have the hang of it, thanks!-:) I really appreciate ur time, compassion, and advice and communication. I will keep in mind the advice on the doxy for sure. Our understanding predominantly is that FIV is via bite wounds, where my experience with one cat who fortunately wasn?t aggressive and fit with the environment. My understanding with Felv is via bites as well also general contact. With so much contraversy about it, it?s very interesting from what u share how some seem to spread or get it while others don?t.... like life, a continual learning process for me.. Canada wow - I am in south florida and long story short I flew with a special needs senior blind cat I rescued and rehabbed to his furrever home in canada. He was purrfectly fine when I left him there (and yes I was very attached b/c I knew everything about him) (only reason I decided to home him was b/c I had a sick older cat and I feared it may stress her, and that he may have been better off.....he was an amazing special soul!!! Very special. I settled him in for a few says all was fine; But 3 weeks later he took a crazy turn where he was worse off than when I first found him (and he was bad off with broken pelvis), and, they euthanized-:( my heart still and always will hurt over it. They were nice people and good animal people with good intentions but IMO made mistakes and would not heed my advice for transitioning him. Rushed it with their other animals which freaked him out; he fell off the bed, yada yada. They said he had cancer. Based on what I?d ask? No answer. Anything may have been b/c he too was community cat with unknown background, altho all his same tests I had from a month prior were fine. I asked (begged) to share his medical records which aside from my own edification, I felt his story and whatever caused his demise, could Really help other cats somehow. His story was extraordinary, as was/is he. So for it to end that way and be ignored as to why, was cruel and unjust. Like if nothing to hide, why not share the records. To this day a year and half later I still wish I had them for some kind of closure, not only for me but his story in order to help other cats in similar situations. Sorry I strayed (no punn intended Lol) from the topic. Like you said, and you have much more experience, about putting them back out, esp. being vulnerable/sick and after they?ve experienced love. Jennifer > On Jun 10, 2018, at 12:20 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Jennifer > > There are people in this group from all over the U.S. (New York, Texas, Wisconsin, California, etc.) and all around the world (Canada ? me!; Brazil, Italy, South Africa), so I just meant that if you tell us in your email, approximately where you?re located, there may be people near you who might be willing to help out with your cat. > > In my personal opinion, once you?ve taken the time and care to tame down a feral, as you have clearly done, I would never put them back out on the street. But maybe that?s why I?m up to 18 cats now! I just think that once they know what it?s like to be warm and clean and loved, it is just too terrible to put them back outside again. > > Frankly, of the two conditions, it is the FIV which is more contagious so if you?ve had experience with that, and it turned out okay, in my experience, it won?t be the FeLV that causes a problem, unless you have kittens in your house. Adult cats can end up testing positive for FeLV, but it doesn?t do anything to them. I agree with you that you should try hard to find him another home, but if all else fails, please consider keeping him. It sounds like you?ve done just a wonderful thing for him, and he obviously loves you very much. > > With respect to the anbiotic, nothing is like Doxycyline other than another tetracycline. Broad-spectrum antibiotics cover Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria ? that is what is meant by broad spectrum. Doxycycline had effects on bacteria, viruses (block viral ability to replicate), spirochetes (eg ? Lyme Disease), parasites (eg ? malaria, immature stage of the roundworm), etc. Don?t let them try and substitute Doxcycycline ? it works very differently than almost every other antibiotic. Nothing at all wrong with the Orbifloxacin ? it is a floroquinolone I think ? same family as ciprofloxacin ? and it is effect against some organisms like Pseudomonas aeruginosa and Staph aureus which are tough bugs to kill. But I suggested the Doxycycline because it might help with the background viral issues. > > Amani > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich > Sent: June-09-18 6:19 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 > > Hi, thank you for replying. It is helpful to talk to someone with experience with this. > > Sorry to be ignorant but, how do I post where I am? (Not sure what that means). > And If I post, is it ok to ?put it out there? re: possible home with other felv positives? > Esp because I would be willing to help support him which I think makes a difference. > > we?d love to keep and care for him and this sucks !! but i?m trying to be positive that a plan will happen. He went from hissy street cat to curling up in my lap. Urg! > > I?d worry with someone else unless it was someone with experience, or like u said non cat crazy people but compassionate and committed. > > We discussed it a few times and just would not be comfortable with the risk of coMingling them unfortunately,-:( which sucks. Or the whole vaccination thing b/c with multiple other cats it?ll be too much craziness plus not even sure of efficacy, or side effects. > > That leaves me with leaving him separated and constantly trying to be sterilized on our end which seems cumbersome and I?m not so sure fair to him to be isolated all the time. OR the only cat. OR in a multi pos. home (prob. preferrable b/c someone would know how to treat him). OR putting him back outside which doesn?t seem best for him. > > I can imagine there are times it works out ok to comingle yes, where it can be ok vs ?oh my gosh no don?t do that?. That is what happened with my FIV cat which is a long story but bottom line after research and talking to folks it was an ok fit b/c no one were fighters. felv is different. I have known others (individuals or rescues) where exposure of different things had bad outcomes. I guess it?s a matter of variables, situations and/or luck. Sounds like you have been fortunate which is awesome. > (Thanks for ALL u do to help the felines-:) > > I got the antibiotic before seeing this. I am > familiar with doxy and thought that?s what he?d give, but it was Orbax (Orbifloxacin). > Are U familiar? > When i got it I asked front desk if it was as strong as doxy and she said yes and that it?s broad spectrum antibiotic. Thoughts? > > Are u familiar with Collodial Silver? > If not I can send the link. > I was recommended this yesterday for use for people and cats or other animals. > Cat person said she uses all the time for different things from bacterial infections to URI?s. It?s a natural antibiotic. > It lists as an option for stomatitis and felv use so I imagine it cannot hurt, in basic doses. (supposed to be good for many things including inflammation and immune-building). I plan to give him that and the antibiotic; was ok with vet . > > With ur experience and what u?ve heard (he?s between 5-7 yrs. old they say; to be neutered in couple weeks; 10lbs (needs gain some); Bad stomatitis > (i?ll send pic if u want ): > > A) what?s ur feeling about putting him > back outside? (I?ve never done that; he could get by but My feeling is he shouldn?t be in the elements and would do better inside)?- just not sure what will happen if there are no other good options. > > B) at that age and what you are hearing... any sense of lifespan? (I know it?s hard to say but was guessing 2-4 years or up to a year). my vet said oldest one he knew of was patient?s who lived to 8y/o. What?s ur feeling of assessing if he could last a while or if things could go south quickly?? > I guess i?m trying to imagine how long or short term the commitment may be. > > C). He would def . seem to have felv by way of strong stain and stomatitis. In doing some research, I wonder about the confirmTory IFA test. It seems if it?s pos. too, that it?s in the bone marrow and no chance shedding it. > > Thanks! > Jennifer > > > > On Jun 9,r 2018, at 1:24 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Jennifer ? from your area code, you are no where near me. You need to post where you are. > > Can I also suggest you get your vet to start him on doxycycline ? 50 mg. daily, for an extended treatment period like 6 weeks. As long as he isn?t showing other symptoms other than the stomatitis, that should be enough for now. Even if your vet wants to put him other antibiotics, the Doxycycline should also be considered alongside other meds. It has been to shown to interfere with viral replication so it might help. I have used it for both FeLV and FIV cats, and had good results. (I won?t go into the details, since everyone on this chatline is well and truly tired of me posting the same stuff in answer to new inquiriesJ.) > > I think what you?re doing is simply tremendous. Unfortunately, you may have a very difficult time finding a home for him. Anyone who doesn?t have a cat already is not a crazy cat person, and therefore, likely unwilling to take on a cat with significant responsibilities ? at least into the future. Anyone with a cat or cats will have the same issues you mention with respect to worrying about cross-contamination. I agree that someone with a positive household may be an option. > > Though I doubt it can help with your decision-making (since I understand the fact that no one can reassure you 100% that nothing will happen), I have had both FeLV cats and FIP cats enter my household on several occasions. Each time, my vet would warn that this would ?clear out my house? when it came to the other cats. However, I never had another cat become FeLV positive or FIP positive. I think that kittens are vulnerable, so I stayed away from taking on kittens when I had these cats, but other than that, not much else changed. My FeLV cat lived to age 7, and had had a significant time frame when he was very ill and therefore likely shedding the virus. I had at last 8 other cats during this time frame. No one ever got sick. I currently have a FIP+ cat, and have had her for four years already, and I am shockingly up to 18 cats (don?t ask - taking in all the neighbourhood strays) and no one else has had a problem with FIP ? AND I had two litters of kittens in the house this past year, and took in a another kitten who was about 6 months old in October ? again, so far so good. > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich > Sent: June-09-18 12:53 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 > > Hello, I subscribed a few years ago but have never posted; not even sure how. > I think I tried and never worked. > Is this a forum to ask advice and/or ask about long term foster or adopter? Please I hope u will read this. ? Thank you. > > A male tabby community cat by my house who I befriended turns out to be double positive.-:( I would notice pain when he was eating so then I eventually pureed wet food in the blender til was like soup and sat with him while he ate... I was so happy he?d eat! > Even that was hard sometimes til eventually it was manageable. > > My plan was to neuter/shots/chip/get tested, and adopt. > > Things took a different order b/c I felt so bad about his mouth so I took him by my vet first to diagnose... well he tested double > positive-:(, and has very bad stomatitis. I got antibiotics, and am gonna give with collodial silver. He has neuter appt. In a couple weeks. They think he is > 5-6 y/o. > > I am at a crossroads b/c I do not want to put him back outside-:( yet I don?t want to expose my cats. > > Speaking to our vet, Adopting him ourselves doesn?t seem too super viable unless we separate him and we?d wonder or worry about possible cross contamination. > Vaccinating our indoor cats doesn?t seem practical as it would get costly and concerning b/c of possible side effects or efficacy. > > Which leads me to: If he were an only cat (or only cat with other animals), OR in a multi-positive house with experienced felv parents, that would be options for him.. I just want him to be indoor only, loved, safe, and cared for; it?s a lot to take on but he?s So worth it and deserves it; he clearly was overlooked in the neighborhood and now has a chance at at least comfort care and love; if it can?t be me, my hope is it would be someone who gets his situation and loves and cares for him no matter what. > To a right home with good people, I would be willing to transport and/or support $ him if needed. > Do you know of anyone? Is this a forum that > I could ask? > > > > Thank you for ur compassion, and time! > Jennifer > 305-298-3709 > > > > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Deborah Whorley wrote: > > Latest discussion from this group. Start at the bottom. 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Re: Quentin (Marlene Snowman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:22:18 -0300 > From: Marlene Snowman > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > Message-ID: <14D133E6-4407-4D32-9BB0-E90919ACFD77 at icloud.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you, I appreciate this. > > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been known to get stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is a concern and all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before giving them and ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food afterwards to ensure that the pill goes down properly. Others have mentioned you can get Doxycycline in liquid form as well. I suspect that the problem has been blown out of proportion to the amount of time it actually occurs, and just like what happened with Winstrol and the link between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed the use of Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to ha > ve a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > > Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > > > Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic. > > > > The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people. > > > > That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t working on eliminating this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is the time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a worsening. > > > > Thoughts ? > > M > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > Hi Marlene > > > > I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned. > > > > I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it. > > > > With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 to 45), and from September and from September to December, we fought to keep him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there ? LTCI, interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood transfusions. > > > > I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn?t go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat would never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, an > d what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of a virus. > > > > I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had done that with a group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I couldn?t figure out what had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten pregnant (yes ? I am totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable) and HER KITTENS had a whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that the life cycle of round worms has the immature stage going through bodily tissues including the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY responded to oral doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save you all my pondering and research on this, and my ultimate conclusion t > hat deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same time. > > > > Whew. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > > Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > > > Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going to the winstrol at a later date? > > > > Any advice is appreciated.... > > > > Marlene > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > Hi JoAnne > > > > If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. > > > > My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. > > > > You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I recommend, and had a very good response from, is: > > > > Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day > > > > Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > > > Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of JoAnne Kraun > > Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, wh > o he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. > > > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. > > > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. > > > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. > > > > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. 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URL: From jennifer at m2design.net Mon Jun 11 20:40:33 2018 From: jennifer at m2design.net (Jennifer Minnich) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 21:40:33 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <368F1B5F-E945-414E-9987-FAC144591FA0@brandbooster.com> References: <663CF158-8A2D-4F03-A293-F0B870C49984@brandbooster.com> <368F1B5F-E945-414E-9987-FAC144591FA0@brandbooster.com> Message-ID: <6A3C5E08-E064-4CEE-819A-930F718E9B4F@m2design.net> Hi Amani, hope you received the email below-:) Will wait to hear back re: email address inquiry; in the meanwhile, i plan to see how he?s doing in the next couple weeks; i may have a temp. foster not sure yet; would appreciate the opportunity for local group outreach if needed. He?s been in my bathroom the past few days and seemed to be doing pretty good; tonight he?s squinting an eye - any experience with that with your felv?s? (I put a sissel scratchpad in with him yesterday which is awefully concidental this started today, so I kind of wonder if he?s allergic or got any of it in his eyes, or if it?s the meds or Felv separately related). Will see how he is in the morning and go from there. Thank u, JennifEr > On Jun 10, 2018, at 6:53 AM, Jennifer Minnich wrote: > > Thanks so much Amani. What an amazing global group. Very awesome to have such support for folks and these cats, everywhere! > > Amani, when I am emailing you now, is it going out to the group or just you? For example, is there a different email I should be using. Please let me know, and then I?ll > have the hang of it, thanks!-:) > > I really appreciate ur time, compassion, and advice and communication. I will keep in mind the advice on the doxy for sure. > > Our understanding predominantly is that FIV is via bite wounds, where my experience with one cat who fortunately wasn?t aggressive and fit with the environment. > My understanding with Felv is via bites as well also general contact. With so much contraversy about it, it?s very interesting from what u share how some seem to spread or get it while others don?t.... like life, a continual learning process for me.. > > Canada wow - I am in south florida and long story short I flew with a special needs senior blind cat I rescued and rehabbed to his furrever home in canada. He was purrfectly fine when I left him there (and yes I was very attached b/c I knew everything about him) (only reason I decided to home him was b/c I had a sick older cat and I feared it may stress her, and that he may have been better off.....he was an amazing special soul!!! Very special. I settled him in for a few says all was fine; But 3 weeks later he took a crazy turn where he was worse off than when I first found him (and he was bad off with broken pelvis), and, they euthanized-:( my heart still and always will hurt over it. They were nice people and good animal people with good intentions but IMO made mistakes and would not heed my advice for transitioning him. Rushed it with their other animals which freaked him out; he fell off the bed, yada yada. They said he had cancer. Based on what I?d ask? No answer. Anything may have been b/c he too was community cat with unknown background, altho all his same tests I had from a month prior were fine. I asked (begged) to share his medical records which aside from my own edification, I felt his story and whatever caused his demise, could Really help other cats somehow. His story was extraordinary, as was/is he. So for it to end that way and be ignored as to why, was cruel and unjust. Like if nothing to hide, why not share the records. To this day a year and half later I still wish I had them for some kind of closure, not only for me but his story in order to help other cats in similar situations. Sorry I strayed (no punn intended Lol) from the topic. > > Like you said, and you have much more experience, about putting them back out, esp. being vulnerable/sick and after they?ve experienced love. > > Jennifer > > >> On Jun 10, 2018, at 12:20 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: >> >> Hi Jennifer >> >> There are people in this group from all over the U.S. (New York, Texas, Wisconsin, California, etc.) and all around the world (Canada ? me!; Brazil, Italy, South Africa), so I just meant that if you tell us in your email, approximately where you?re located, there may be people near you who might be willing to help out with your cat. >> >> In my personal opinion, once you?ve taken the time and care to tame down a feral, as you have clearly done, I would never put them back out on the street. But maybe that?s why I?m up to 18 cats now! I just think that once they know what it?s like to be warm and clean and loved, it is just too terrible to put them back outside again. >> >> Frankly, of the two conditions, it is the FIV which is more contagious so if you?ve had experience with that, and it turned out okay, in my experience, it won?t be the FeLV that causes a problem, unless you have kittens in your house. Adult cats can end up testing positive for FeLV, but it doesn?t do anything to them. I agree with you that you should try hard to find him another home, but if all else fails, please consider keeping him. It sounds like you?ve done just a wonderful thing for him, and he obviously loves you very much. >> >> With respect to the anbiotic, nothing is like Doxycyline other than another tetracycline. Broad-spectrum antibiotics cover Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria ? that is what is meant by broad spectrum. Doxycycline had effects on bacteria, viruses (block viral ability to replicate), spirochetes (eg ? Lyme Disease), parasites (eg ? malaria, immature stage of the roundworm), etc. Don?t let them try and substitute Doxcycycline ? it works very differently than almost every other antibiotic. Nothing at all wrong with the Orbifloxacin ? it is a floroquinolone I think ? same family as ciprofloxacin ? and it is effect against some organisms like Pseudomonas aeruginosa and Staph aureus which are tough bugs to kill. But I suggested the Doxycycline because it might help with the background viral issues. >> >> Amani >> >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich >> Sent: June-09-18 6:19 PM >> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 >> >> Hi, thank you for replying. It is helpful to talk to someone with experience with this. >> >> Sorry to be ignorant but, how do I post where I am? (Not sure what that means). >> And If I post, is it ok to ?put it out there? re: possible home with other felv positives? >> Esp because I would be willing to help support him which I think makes a difference. >> >> we?d love to keep and care for him and this sucks !! but i?m trying to be positive that a plan will happen. He went from hissy street cat to curling up in my lap. Urg! >> >> I?d worry with someone else unless it was someone with experience, or like u said non cat crazy people but compassionate and committed. >> >> We discussed it a few times and just would not be comfortable with the risk of coMingling them unfortunately,-:( which sucks. Or the whole vaccination thing b/c with multiple other cats it?ll be too much craziness plus not even sure of efficacy, or side effects. >> >> That leaves me with leaving him separated and constantly trying to be sterilized on our end which seems cumbersome and I?m not so sure fair to him to be isolated all the time. OR the only cat. OR in a multi pos. home (prob. preferrable b/c someone would know how to treat him). OR putting him back outside which doesn?t seem best for him. >> >> I can imagine there are times it works out ok to comingle yes, where it can be ok vs ?oh my gosh no don?t do that?. That is what happened with my FIV cat which is a long story but bottom line after research and talking to folks it was an ok fit b/c no one were fighters. felv is different. I have known others (individuals or rescues) where exposure of different things had bad outcomes. I guess it?s a matter of variables, situations and/or luck. Sounds like you have been fortunate which is awesome. >> (Thanks for ALL u do to help the felines-:) >> >> I got the antibiotic before seeing this. I am >> familiar with doxy and thought that?s what he?d give, but it was Orbax (Orbifloxacin). >> Are U familiar? >> When i got it I asked front desk if it was as strong as doxy and she said yes and that it?s broad spectrum antibiotic. Thoughts? >> >> Are u familiar with Collodial Silver? >> If not I can send the link. >> I was recommended this yesterday for use for people and cats or other animals. >> Cat person said she uses all the time for different things from bacterial infections to URI?s. It?s a natural antibiotic. >> It lists as an option for stomatitis and felv use so I imagine it cannot hurt, in basic doses. (supposed to be good for many things including inflammation and immune-building). I plan to give him that and the antibiotic; was ok with vet . >> >> With ur experience and what u?ve heard (he?s between 5-7 yrs. old they say; to be neutered in couple weeks; 10lbs (needs gain some); Bad stomatitis >> (i?ll send pic if u want ): >> >> A) what?s ur feeling about putting him >> back outside? (I?ve never done that; he could get by but My feeling is he shouldn?t be in the elements and would do better inside)?- just not sure what will happen if there are no other good options. >> >> B) at that age and what you are hearing... any sense of lifespan? (I know it?s hard to say but was guessing 2-4 years or up to a year). my vet said oldest one he knew of was patient?s who lived to 8y/o. What?s ur feeling of assessing if he could last a while or if things could go south quickly?? >> I guess i?m trying to imagine how long or short term the commitment may be. >> >> C). He would def . seem to have felv by way of strong stain and stomatitis. In doing some research, I wonder about the confirmTory IFA test. It seems if it?s pos. too, that it?s in the bone marrow and no chance shedding it. >> >> Thanks! >> Jennifer >> >> >> >> On Jun 9,r 2018, at 1:24 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: >> >> Jennifer ? from your area code, you are no where near me. You need to post where you are. >> >> Can I also suggest you get your vet to start him on doxycycline ? 50 mg. daily, for an extended treatment period like 6 weeks. As long as he isn?t showing other symptoms other than the stomatitis, that should be enough for now. Even if your vet wants to put him other antibiotics, the Doxycycline should also be considered alongside other meds. It has been to shown to interfere with viral replication so it might help. I have used it for both FeLV and FIV cats, and had good results. (I won?t go into the details, since everyone on this chatline is well and truly tired of me posting the same stuff in answer to new inquiriesJ.) >> >> I think what you?re doing is simply tremendous. Unfortunately, you may have a very difficult time finding a home for him. Anyone who doesn?t have a cat already is not a crazy cat person, and therefore, likely unwilling to take on a cat with significant responsibilities ? at least into the future. Anyone with a cat or cats will have the same issues you mention with respect to worrying about cross-contamination. I agree that someone with a positive household may be an option. >> >> Though I doubt it can help with your decision-making (since I understand the fact that no one can reassure you 100% that nothing will happen), I have had both FeLV cats and FIP cats enter my household on several occasions. Each time, my vet would warn that this would ?clear out my house? when it came to the other cats. However, I never had another cat become FeLV positive or FIP positive. I think that kittens are vulnerable, so I stayed away from taking on kittens when I had these cats, but other than that, not much else changed. My FeLV cat lived to age 7, and had had a significant time frame when he was very ill and therefore likely shedding the virus. I had at last 8 other cats during this time frame. No one ever got sick. I currently have a FIP+ cat, and have had her for four years already, and I am shockingly up to 18 cats (don?t ask - taking in all the neighbourhood strays) and no one else has had a problem with FIP ? AND I had two litters of kittens in the house this past year, and took in a another kitten who was about 6 months old in October ? again, so far so good. >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich >> Sent: June-09-18 12:53 PM >> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 >> >> Hello, I subscribed a few years ago but have never posted; not even sure how. >> I think I tried and never worked. >> Is this a forum to ask advice and/or ask about long term foster or adopter? Please I hope u will read this. ? Thank you. >> >> A male tabby community cat by my house who I befriended turns out to be double positive.-:( I would notice pain when he was eating so then I eventually pureed wet food in the blender til was like soup and sat with him while he ate... I was so happy he?d eat! >> Even that was hard sometimes til eventually it was manageable. >> >> My plan was to neuter/shots/chip/get tested, and adopt. >> >> Things took a different order b/c I felt so bad about his mouth so I took him by my vet first to diagnose... well he tested double >> positive-:(, and has very bad stomatitis. I got antibiotics, and am gonna give with collodial silver. He has neuter appt. In a couple weeks. They think he is >> 5-6 y/o. >> >> I am at a crossroads b/c I do not want to put him back outside-:( yet I don?t want to expose my cats. >> >> Speaking to our vet, Adopting him ourselves doesn?t seem too super viable unless we separate him and we?d wonder or worry about possible cross contamination. >> Vaccinating our indoor cats doesn?t seem practical as it would get costly and concerning b/c of possible side effects or efficacy. >> >> Which leads me to: If he were an only cat (or only cat with other animals), OR in a multi-positive house with experienced felv parents, that would be options for him.. I just want him to be indoor only, loved, safe, and cared for; it?s a lot to take on but he?s So worth it and deserves it; he clearly was overlooked in the neighborhood and now has a chance at at least comfort care and love; if it can?t be me, my hope is it would be someone who gets his situation and loves and cares for him no matter what. >> To a right home with good people, I would be willing to transport and/or support $ him if needed. >> Do you know of anyone? Is this a forum that >> I could ask? >> >> >> >> Thank you for ur compassion, and time! >> Jennifer >> 305-298-3709 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 8, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Deborah Whorley wrote: >> >> Latest discussion from this group. Start at the bottom. 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Re: Quentin (Marlene Snowman) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:22:18 -0300 >> From: Marlene Snowman >> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin >> Message-ID: <14D133E6-4407-4D32-9BB0-E90919ACFD77 at icloud.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Thank you, I appreciate this. >> >> Marlene >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: >> > >> > In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been known to get stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is a concern and all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before giving them and ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food afterwards to ensure that the pill goes down properly. Others have mentioned you can get Doxycycline in liquid form as well. I suspect that the problem has been blown out of proportion to the amount of time it actually occurs, and just like what happened with Winstrol and the link between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed the use of Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to ha >> ve a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections. >> > >> > Amani >> > >> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman >> > Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM >> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin >> > >> > Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic. >> > >> > The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people. >> > >> > That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t working on eliminating this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is the time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a worsening. >> > >> > Thoughts ? >> > M >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: >> > >> > Hi Marlene >> > >> > I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned. >> > >> > I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it. >> > >> > With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 to 45), and from September and from September to December, we fought to keep him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there ? LTCI, interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood transfusions. >> > >> > I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn?t go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat would never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, an >> d what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of a virus. >> > >> > I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had done that with a group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I couldn?t figure out what had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten pregnant (yes ? I am totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable) and HER KITTENS had a whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that the life cycle of round worms has the immature stage going through bodily tissues including the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY responded to oral doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save you all my pondering and research on this, and my ultimate conclusion t >> hat deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same time. >> > >> > Whew. >> > >> > Amani >> > >> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman >> > Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM >> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin >> > >> > Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going to the winstrol at a later date? >> > >> > Any advice is appreciated.... >> > >> > Marlene >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: >> > >> > Hi JoAnne >> > >> > If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. >> > >> > My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. >> > >> > You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I recommend, and had a very good response from, is: >> > >> > Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day >> > >> > Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day >> > >> > Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day >> > >> > >> > Amani >> > >> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of JoAnne Kraun >> > Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM >> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin >> > >> > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, wh >> o he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. >> > >> > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. >> > >> > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. >> > >> > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. >> > >> > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. 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URL: From ardyr at centurytel.net Mon Jun 11 21:32:16 2018 From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 21:32:16 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <663CF158-8A2D-4F03-A293-F0B870C49984@brandbooster.com> References: <663CF158-8A2D-4F03-A293-F0B870C49984@brandbooster.com> Message-ID: <000001d401f5$94f58280$bee08780$@centurytel.net> Hi Jennifer, I had an FeLV+ kitty for 5-1/2 years and did not know he was positive because he had tested negative as a kitten when I found him. So during that time he came in contact with many other cats, and none of them became positive. I read that after 11 months of age, it is quite rare for a cat to catch it from a positive friend. Had I known Tigger was positive, I might not have kept him ? but I am so very happy I didn?t know it and kept him, because I would never have known how much fun and love he brought to our house! Whatever you decide, my best to you and your little one. I would for sure get him on the Doxy as soon as you can. Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 5:19 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 Hi, thank you for replying. It is helpful to talk to someone with experience with this. Sorry to be ignorant but, how do I post where I am? (Not sure what that means). And If I post, is it ok to ?put it out there? re: possible home with other felv positives? Esp because I would be willing to help support him which I think makes a difference. we?d love to keep and care for him and this sucks !! but i?m trying to be positive that a plan will happen. He went from hissy street cat to curling up in my lap. Urg! I?d worry with someone else unless it was someone with experience, or like u said non cat crazy people but compassionate and committed. We discussed it a few times and just would not be comfortable with the risk of coMingling them unfortunately,-:( which sucks. Or the whole vaccination thing b/c with multiple other cats it?ll be too much craziness plus not even sure of efficacy, or side effects. That leaves me with leaving him separated and constantly trying to be sterilized on our end which seems cumbersome and I?m not so sure fair to him to be isolated all the time. OR the only cat. OR in a multi pos. home (prob. preferrable b/c someone would know how to treat him). OR putting him back outside which doesn?t seem best for him. I can imagine there are times it works out ok to comingle yes, where it can be ok vs ?oh my gosh no don?t do that?. That is what happened with my FIV cat which is a long story but bottom line after research and talking to folks it was an ok fit b/c no one were fighters. felv is different. I have known others (individuals or rescues) where exposure of different things had bad outcomes. I guess it?s a matter of variables, situations and/or luck. Sounds like you have been fortunate which is awesome. (Thanks for ALL u do to help the felines-:) I got the antibiotic before seeing this. I am familiar with doxy and thought that?s what he?d give, but it was Orbax (Orbifloxacin). Are U familiar? When i got it I asked front desk if it was as strong as doxy and she said yes and that it?s broad spectrum antibiotic. Thoughts? Are u familiar with Collodial Silver? If not I can send the link. I was recommended this yesterday for use for people and cats or other animals. Cat person said she uses all the time for different things from bacterial infections to URI?s. It?s a natural antibiotic. It lists as an option for stomatitis and felv use so I imagine it cannot hurt, in basic doses. (supposed to be good for many things including inflammation and immune-building). I plan to give him that and the antibiotic; was ok with vet . With ur experience and what u?ve heard (he?s between 5-7 yrs. old they say; to be neutered in couple weeks; 10lbs (needs gain some); Bad stomatitis (i?ll send pic if u want ): A) what?s ur feeling about putting him back outside? (I?ve never done that; he could get by but My feeling is he shouldn?t be in the elements and would do better inside)?- just not sure what will happen if there are no other good options. B) at that age and what you are hearing... any sense of lifespan? (I know it?s hard to say but was guessing 2-4 years or up to a year). my vet said oldest one he knew of was patient?s who lived to 8y/o. What?s ur feeling of assessing if he could last a while or if things could go south quickly?? I guess i?m trying to imagine how long or short term the commitment may be. C). He would def . seem to have felv by way of strong stain and stomatitis. In doing some research, I wonder about the confirmTory IFA test. It seems if it?s pos. too, that it?s in the bone marrow and no chance shedding it. Thanks! Jennifer On Jun 9,r 2018, at 1:24 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: Jennifer ? from your area code, you are no where near me. You need to post where you are. Can I also suggest you get your vet to start him on doxycycline ? 50 mg. daily, for an extended treatment period like 6 weeks. As long as he isn?t showing other symptoms other than the stomatitis, that should be enough for now. Even if your vet wants to put him other antibiotics, the Doxycycline should also be considered alongside other meds. It has been to shown to interfere with viral replication so it might help. I have used it for both FeLV and FIV cats, and had good results. (I won?t go into the details, since everyone on this chatline is well and truly tired of me posting the same stuff in answer to new inquiries:).) I think what you?re doing is simply tremendous. Unfortunately, you may have a very difficult time finding a home for him. Anyone who doesn?t have a cat already is not a crazy cat person, and therefore, likely unwilling to take on a cat with significant responsibilities ? at least into the future. Anyone with a cat or cats will have the same issues you mention with respect to worrying about cross-contamination. I agree that someone with a positive household may be an option. Though I doubt it can help with your decision-making (since I understand the fact that no one can reassure you 100% that nothing will happen), I have had both FeLV cats and FIP cats enter my household on several occasions. Each time, my vet would warn that this would ?clear out my house? when it came to the other cats. However, I never had another cat become FeLV positive or FIP positive. I think that kittens are vulnerable, so I stayed away from taking on kittens when I had these cats, but other than that, not much else changed. My FeLV cat lived to age 7, and had had a significant time frame when he was very ill and therefore likely shedding the virus. I had at last 8 other cats during this time frame. No one ever got sick. I currently have a FIP+ cat, and have had her for four years already, and I am shockingly up to 18 cats (don?t ask - taking in all the neighbourhood strays) and no one else has had a problem with FIP ? AND I had two litters of kittens in the house this past year, and took in a another kitten who was about 6 months old in October ? again, so far so good. Amani From: Felvtalk [ mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich Sent: June-09-18 12:53 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 Hello, I subscribed a few years ago but have never posted; not even sure how. I think I tried and never worked. Is this a forum to ask advice and/or ask about long term foster or adopter? Please I hope u will read this. ? Thank you. A male tabby community cat by my house who I befriended turns out to be double positive.-:( I would notice pain when he was eating so then I eventually pureed wet food in the blender til was like soup and sat with him while he ate... I was so happy he?d eat! Even that was hard sometimes til eventually it was manageable. My plan was to neuter/shots/chip/get tested, and adopt. Things took a different order b/c I felt so bad about his mouth so I took him by my vet first to diagnose... well he tested double positive-:(, and has very bad stomatitis. I got antibiotics, and am gonna give with collodial silver. He has neuter appt. In a couple weeks. They think he is 5-6 y/o. I am at a crossroads b/c I do not want to put him back outside-:( yet I don?t want to expose my cats. Speaking to our vet, Adopting him ourselves doesn?t seem too super viable unless we separate him and we?d wonder or worry about possible cross contamination. Vaccinating our indoor cats doesn?t seem practical as it would get costly and concerning b/c of possible side effects or efficacy. Which leads me to: If he were an only cat (or only cat with other animals), OR in a multi-positive house with experienced felv parents, that would be options for him.. I just want him to be indoor only, loved, safe, and cared for; it?s a lot to take on but he?s So worth it and deserves it; he clearly was overlooked in the neighborhood and now has a chance at at least comfort care and love; if it can?t be me, my hope is it would be someone who gets his situation and loves and cares for him no matter what. To a right home with good people, I would be willing to transport and/or support $ him if needed. Do you know of anyone? Is this a forum that I could ask? Thank you for ur compassion, and time! Jennifer 305-298-3709 On Jun 8, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Deborah Whorley > wrote: Latest discussion from this group. Start at the bottom. There were other ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: > Date: Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 1:22 PM Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk at felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Quentin (Marlene Snowman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:22:18 -0300 From: Marlene Snowman > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin Message-ID: <14D133E6-4407-4D32-9BB0-E90919ACFD77 at icloud.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you, I appreciate this. Marlene Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been known to get stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is a concern and all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before giving them and ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food afterwards to ensure that the pill goes down properly. Others have mentioned you can get Doxycycline in liquid form as well. I suspect that the problem has been blown out of proportion to the amount of time it actually occurs, and just like what happened with Winstrol and the link between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed the use of Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to ha ve a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic. > > The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people. > > That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t working on eliminating this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is the time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a worsening. > > Thoughts ? > M > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > Hi Marlene > > I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned. > > I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it. > > With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 to 45), and from September and from September to December, we fought to keep him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there ? LTCI, interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood transfusions. > > I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn?t go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat would never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, an d what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of a virus. > > I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had done that with a group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I couldn?t figure out what had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten pregnant (yes ? I am totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable) and HER KITTENS had a whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that the life cycle of round worms has the immature stage going through bodily tissues including the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY responded to oral doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save you all my pondering and research on this, and my ultimate conclusion t hat deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same time. > > Whew. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going to the winstrol at a later date? > > Any advice is appreciated.... > > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > Hi JoAnne > > If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. > > My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. > > You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I recommend, and had a very good response from, is: > > Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day > > Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of JoAnne Kraun > Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, wh o he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. > > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. 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URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Mon Jun 11 21:40:12 2018 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 02:40:12 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 References: <663CF158-8A2D-4F03-A293-F0B870C49984@brandbooster.com> <368F1B5F-E945-414E-9987-FAC144591FA0@brandbooster.com> Message-ID: Jennifer ? I actually answered you yesterday, but the darned email was caught up by the FeLV filter which captures emails that have too long an email trail. I have cut out some of the earlier emails to enable the email to go through (hopefully). Amani From: Amani Oakley Sent: June-10-18 3:22 PM To: 'felvtalk at felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 What a very sad story about your blind cat. I understand your heart break. I too have placed cats into what I thought were excellent homes, only to have a sad, and an unnecessarily tragic outcome. I have probably adopted out close to 400 cats in the time my husband and I have been rescuing cats. Thankfully, most of the time, people are just really happy to return a cat to me if things aren?t working out, but I know only too well that once out of my hands, you?re at the mercy of what someone else thinks is the right thing to do. Your email to felv talk goes out to everyone on the list at the same time. I will often answer regarding FeLV because I was lucky enough to have stumbled on a medication protocol (which I was calling Zander?s protocol) which treated my Zander?s FeLV when EVERYTHING else had failed. I used to be a medical lab technologist so lab results are key to me. When trying Zander on the various medications that were suggested as assisting with FeLV, I got weekly bloodwork done and would study the results to see which direction his bloodwork was going. Nothing worked at all (Interferon, LTCI, combo of prednisone/Doxy) and I kept him alive with several blood transfusions. When that was no longer an option because he had had a reaction during his last blood transfusion and the next one would kill him, I rummaged around in my drawer of cat meds, and had nothing else at all to try but figured what the hell, and tried him on Winstrol (Stanazalol) which I thought might at least keep him eating and maybe keep him alive a bit longer. To my complete and utter amazement and disbelief, after just a few days on Winstrol, his ivory white gums and inner ears (signs of his profound anemia) started showing a slight pinkish blush. The next blood work (a few days later) showed the first uptick in haematocrit that I had seen with him since the FeLV crisis had begun, which was not brought on by the artificial increase in red cells from his transfusions. I kept him on the combination of prednisone/doxycycline/winstrol for more than a year, while his haematocrit climbed from 10 and back into the normal reference range of 25 to 45. Everytime I tried to stop or reduce the dosage of winstrol, his blood results would show an immediate drop in red cells and haematocrit, so even though his liver enzymes went way up (the reason Winstrol had fallen out of favour with the vets), I really had no choice but to continue since the vets had nothing else to offer me and the alternative was he was going to die from the FeLV infection. He recovered fully, looked marvelous and amazing, ate well, and his liver enzymes went right back to normal once I discontinued the Winstrol ? something like 10 months later. No one seemed to know this combination, and the vets I spoke with seemed wary or suspicious that this combination would indeed be helpful in FeLV (except mine ? who had of course seen the weekly blood work showing a slow and steady rise in red cells and ultimately, in white cells and platelets, until his entire haematological profile looked perfectly fine). At the time, I was understandably extremely excited by the effects of the Winstrol and I believe that the Winstrol was able to cause the production of new bone marrow cells (something it has been found to do in osteoporotic women) and thus, new cells which could produce the red cells. However, I now also think that the combination worked because the Doxycycline was able to retard or slow down the viral replication, to allow the red cell production to move ahead with less risk that the FeLV would attack the new bone marrow cells. I have been told that the prednisone helps protect the liver from the Winstrol, but I also think that it?s anti-inflammatory properties helped in areas like intestinal inflammation (Zander had lots of trouble eating and keeping the food down). So, I think maybe I by accident stumbled on this combination, but was able to understand what might be happening and why it might have worked, because of my scientific/medical training. Zander lived another 7 years and died from a heart condition which I wondered at the time if it was related, and it might have been, but it probably was that the virus had done a fair amount of damage to certain organs before I was able to get it under control. We loved Zander to a crazy extent, and I sure as hell wanted him with us for longer than 7 years, but given that the vets were telling us there was no hope when he was only six months old, I guess I must just be grateful that we had him for so much longer than that. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich Sent: June-10-18 6:54 AM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 Thanks so much Amani. What an amazing global group. Very awesome to have such support for folks and these cats, everywhere! Amani, when I am emailing you now, is it going out to the group or just you? For example, is there a different email I should be using. Please let me know, and then I?ll have the hang of it, thanks!-:) I really appreciate ur time, compassion, and advice and communication. I will keep in mind the advice on the doxy for sure. Our understanding predominantly is that FIV is via bite wounds, where my experience with one cat who fortunately wasn?t aggressive and fit with the environment. My understanding with Felv is via bites as well also general contact. With so much contraversy about it, it?s very interesting from what u share how some seem to spread or get it while others don?t.... like life, a continual learning process for me.. Canada wow - I am in south florida and long story short I flew with a special needs senior blind cat I rescued and rehabbed to his furrever home in canada. He was purrfectly fine when I left him there (and yes I was very attached b/c I knew everything about him) (only reason I decided to home him was b/c I had a sick older cat and I feared it may stress her, and that he may have been better off.....he was an amazing special soul!!! Very special. I settled him in for a few says all was fine; But 3 weeks later he took a crazy turn where he was worse off than when I first found him (and he was bad off with broken pelvis), and, they euthanized-:( my heart still and always will hurt over it. They were nice people and good animal people with good intentions but IMO made mistakes and would not heed my advice for transitioning him. Rushed it with their other animals which freaked him out; he fell off the bed, yada yada. They said he had cancer. Based on what I?d ask? No answer. Anything may have been b/c he too was community cat with unknown background, altho all his same tests I had from a month prior were fine. I asked (begged) to share his medical records which aside from my own edification, I felt his story and whatever caused his demise, could Really help other cats somehow. His story was extraordinary, as was/is he. So for it to end that way and be ignored as to why, was cruel and unjust. Like if nothing to hide, why not share the records. To this day a year and half later I still wish I had them for some kind of closure, not only for me but his story in order to help other cats in similar situations. Sorry I strayed (no punn intended Lol) from the topic. Like you said, and you have much more experience, about putting them back out, esp. being vulnerable/sick and after they?ve experienced love. Jennifer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jennifer at m2design.net Tue Jun 12 14:34:45 2018 From: jennifer at m2design.net (Jennifer Minnich) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 15:34:45 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <000001d401f5$94f58280$bee08780$@centurytel.net> References: <663CF158-8A2D-4F03-A293-F0B870C49984@brandbooster.com> <000001d401f5$94f58280$bee08780$@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <53EA9757-B4E1-407C-B0CC-4FC708E05002@m2design.net> Thank You Ardy for reaching out! and sharing your story which is wonderful he had a loving home and of course returned the love & joy. So many that don?t get the chance that they deserve. This is a compassionate great group of people. Jennifer > On Jun 11, 2018, at 10:32 PM, Ardy Robertson wrote: > > Hi Jennifer, > I had an FeLV+ kitty for 5-1/2 years and did not know he was positive because he had tested negative as a kitten when I found him. So during that time he came in contact with many othernder cats, and none of them became positive. I read that after 11 months of age, it is quite rare for a cat to catch it from a positive friend. Had I known Tigger was positive, I might not have kept him ? but I am so very happy I didn?t know it and kept him, because I would never have known how much fun and love he brought to our house! Whatever you decide, my best to you and your little one. I would for sure get him on the Doxy as soon as you can. > Ardy > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich > Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 5:19 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 > > Hi, thank you for replying. It is helpful to talk to someone with experience with this. > > Sorry to be ignorant but, how do I post where I am? (Not sure what that means). > And If I post, is it ok to ?put it out there? re: possible home with other felv positives? > Esp because I would be willing to help support him which I think makes a difference. > > we?d love to keep and care for him and this sucks !! but i?m trying to be positive that a plan will happen. He went from hissy street cat to curling up in my lap. Urg! > > I?d worry with someone else unless it was someone with experience, or like u said non cat crazy people but compassionate and committed. > > We discussed it a few times and just would not be comfortable with the risk of coMingling them unfortunately,-:( which sucks. Or the whole vaccination thing b/c with multiple other cats it?ll be too much craziness plus not even sure of efficacy, or side effects. > > That leaves me with leaving him separated and constantly trying to be sterilized on our end which seems cumbersome and I?m not so sure fair to him to be isolated all the time. OR the only cat. OR in a multi pos. home (prob. preferrable b/c someone would know how to treat him). OR putting him back outside which doesn?t seem best for him. > > I can imagine there are times it works out ok to comingle yes, where it can be ok vs ?oh my gosh no don?t do that?. That is what happened with my FIV cat which is a long story but bottom line after research and talking to folks it was an ok fit b/c no one were fighters. felv is different. I have known others (individuals or rescues) where exposure of different things had bad outcomes. I guess it?s a matter of variables, situations and/or luck. Sounds like you have been fortunate which is awesome. > (Thanks for ALL u do to help the felines-:) > > I got the antibiotic before seeing this. I am > familiar with doxy and thought that?s what he?d give, but it was Orbax (Orbifloxacin). > Are U familiar? > When i got it I asked front desk if it was as strong as doxy and she said yes and that it?s broad spectrum antibiotic. Thoughts? > > Are u familiar with Collodial Silver? > If not I can send the link. > I was recommended this yesterday for use for people and cats or other animals. > Cat person said she uses all the time for different things from bacterial infections to URI?s. It?s a natural antibiotic. > It lists as an option for stomatitis and felv use so I imagine it cannot hurt, in basic doses. (supposed to be good for many things including inflammation and immune-building). I plan to give him that and the antibiotic; was ok with vet . > > With ur experience and what u?ve heard (he?s between 5-7 yrs. old they say; to be neutered in couple weeks; 10lbs (needs gain some); Bad stomatitis > (i?ll send pic if u want ): > > A) what?s ur feeling about putting him > back outside? (I?ve never done that; he could get by but My feeling is he shouldn?t be in the elements and would do better inside)?- just not sure what will happen if there are no other good options. > > B) at that age and what you are hearing... any sense of lifespan? (I know it?s hard to say but was guessing 2-4 years or up to a year). my vet said oldest one he knew of was patient?s who lived to 8y/o. What?s ur feeling of assessing if he could last a while or if things could go south quickly?? > I guess i?m trying to imagine how long or short term the commitment may be. > > C). He would def . seem to have felv by way of strong stain and stomatitis. In doing some research, I wonder about the confirmTory IFA test. It seems if it?s pos. too, that it?s in the bone marrow and no chance shedding it. > > Thanks! > Jennifer > > > > On Jun 9,r 2018, at 1:24 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Jennifer ? from your area code, you are no where near me. You need to post where you are. > > Can I also suggest you get your vet to start him on doxycycline ? 50 mg. daily, for an extended treatment period like 6 weeks. As long as he isn?t showing other symptoms other than the stomatitis, that should be enough for now. Even if your vet wants to put him other antibiotics, the Doxycycline should also be considered alongside other meds. It has been to shown to interfere with viral replication so it might help. I have used it for both FeLV and FIV cats, and had good results. (I won?t go into the details, since everyone on this chatline is well and truly tired of me posting the same stuff in answer to new inquiriesJ.) > > I think what you?re doing is simply tremendous. Unfortunately, you may have a very difficult time finding a home for him. Anyone who doesn?t have a cat already is not a crazy cat person, and therefore, likely unwilling to take on a cat with significant responsibilities ? at least into the future. Anyone with a cat or cats will have the same issues you mention with respect to worrying about cross-contamination. I agree that someone with a positive household may be an option. > > Though I doubt it can help with your decision-making (since I understand the fact that no one can reassure you 100% that nothing will happen), I have had both FeLV cats and FIP cats enter my household on several occasions. Each time, my vet would warn that this would ?clear out my house? when it came to the other cats. However, I never had another cat become FeLV positive or FIP positive. I think that kittens are vulnerable, so I stayed away from taking on kittens when I had these cats, but other than that, not much else changed. My FeLV cat lived to age 7, and had had a significant time frame when he was very ill and therefore likely shedding the virus. I had at last 8 other cats during this time frame. No one ever got sick. I currently have a FIP+ cat, and have had her for four years already, and I am shockingly up to 18 cats (don?t ask - taking in all the neighbourhood strays) and no one else has had a problem with FIP ? AND I had two litters of kittens in the house this past year, and took in a another kitten who was about 6 months old in October ? again, so far so good. > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich > Sent: June-09-18 12:53 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 > > Hello, I subscribed a few years ago but have never posted; not even sure how. > I think I tried and never worked. > Is this a forum to ask advice and/or ask about long term foster or adopter? Please I hope u will read this. ? Thank you. > > A male tabby community cat by my house who I befriended turns out to be double positive.-:( I would notice pain when he was eating so then I eventually pureed wet food in the blender til was like soup and sat with him while he ate... I was so happy he?d eat! > Even that was hard sometimes til eventually it was manageable. > > My plan was to neuter/shots/chip/get tested, and adopt. > > Things took a different order b/c I felt so bad about his mouth so I took him by my vet first to diagnose... well he tested double > positive-:(, and has very bad stomatitis. I got antibiotics, and am gonna give with collodial silver. He has neuter appt. In a couple weeks. They think he is > 5-6 y/o. > > I am at a crossroads b/c I do not want to put him back outside-:( yet I don?t want to expose my cats. > > Speaking to our vet, Adopting him ourselves doesn?t seem too super viable unless we separate him and we?d wonder or worry about possible cross contamination. > Vaccinating our indoor cats doesn?t seem practical as it would get costly and concerning b/c of possible side effects or efficacy. > > Which leads me to: If he were an only cat (or only cat with other animals), OR in a multi-positive house with experienced felv parents, that would be options for him.. I just want him to be indoor only, loved, safe, and cared for; it?s a lot to take on but he?s So worth it and deserves it; he clearly was overlooked in the neighborhood and now has a chance at at least comfort care and love; if it can?t be me, my hope is it would be someone who gets his situation and loves and cares for him no matter what. > To a right home with good people, I would be willing to transport and/or support $ him if needed. > Do you know of anyone? Is this a forum that > I could ask? > > > > Thank you for ur compassion, and time! > Jennifer > 305-298-3709 > > > > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Deborah Whorley wrote: > > Latest discussion from this group. Start at the bottom. There were other > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > Date: Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 1:22 PM > Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Quentin (Marlene Snowman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:22:18 -0300 > From: Marlene Snowman > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > Message-ID: <14D133E6-4407-4D32-9BB0-E90919ACFD77 at icloud.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you, I appreciate this. > > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been known to get stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is a concern and all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before giving them and ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food afterwards to ensure that the pill goes down properly. Others have mentioned you can get Doxycycline in liquid form as well. I suspect that the problem has been blown out of proportion to the amount of time it actually occurs, and just like what happened with Winstrol and the link between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed the use of Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to ha > ve a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > > Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > > > Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic. > > > > The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people. > > > > That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t working on eliminating this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is the time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a worsening. > > > > Thoughts ? > > M > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > Hi Marlene > > > > I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned. > > > > I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it. > > > > With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 to 45), and from September and from September to December, we fought to keep him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there ? LTCI, interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood transfusions. > > > > I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn?t go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat would never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, an > d what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of a virus. > > > > I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had done that with a group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I couldn?t figure out what had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten pregnant (yes ? I am totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable) and HER KITTENS had a whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that the life cycle of round worms has the immature stage going through bodily tissues including the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY responded to oral doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save you all my pondering and research on this, and my ultimate conclusion t > hat deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same time. > > > > Whew. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > > Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > > > Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going to the winstrol at a later date? > > > > Any advice is appreciated.... > > > > Marlene > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > Hi JoAnne > > > > If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. > > > > My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him some time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. > > > > You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I recommend, and had a very good response from, is: > > > > Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day > > > > Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > > > Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of JoAnne Kraun > > Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, wh > o he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. > > > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. > > > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. > > > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us. > > > > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic. 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URL: From jennifer at m2design.net Tue Jun 12 15:13:57 2018 From: jennifer at m2design.net (Jennifer Minnich) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 16:13:57 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: References: <663CF158-8A2D-4F03-A293-F0B870C49984@brandbooster.com> <368F1B5F-E945-414E-9987-FAC144591FA0@brandbooster.com> Message-ID: Thanks Amani! I got it-:) Thank you for your understanding re blind cat because it helps, i?ll never get over it and will always cherish him and share his story and amazing pelvic recovery to help others (he defied all odds esp at his older age). He was not fiv/felv but so many cats and dogs not to mention strays in his position & age get ?put down? b/c of. So sad. The second they saw him and that he was stray they wanted to euthanize. Wish we could talk more about that offline some time as i?d be curious as to your take on his demise it was so odd. Anyway Thank You for sharing your personal experiences and very touching Zander story that?s pretty remarkable - lucky he had U to fight for him. And what U learned from it, and share, really shows how zander affects so many people and cats infinitely! It makes sense, the med formula how u explained it, and I definitely will hang on to this, so thank U! If u got email about his eye, it seemed better this morning; we?ll keep an eye on it, but coulda be allergic reaction to scratch post. In researching how they test and confirm Felv, I had ran across IFA test awhile back but was confusing and had not personally had need to do it. Fast forward in recent research, I came across this Link below and thought U may find interesting about IFA confirmatory test and dr. Hardy?s Lab. It made more sense to me now, altho I don?t quite get what is done different at hardy?s lab or, why that?s not just standard protocol, considering lives depends on it. Would be curious of ur take on it and, if U do depend on Elisa, or IFA too, and/or do retesting on adults; if a loaded question, I understand, or if better for offline discussion let me know. Here?s the link Fyi: http://www.askthecatdoctor.com/felineleukemia.html The foster I hoped for did not pan out. Talking to someone else later and sort if observing him; it may really help to reach out locally to those who understand and really do appreciate the opportunity, if needed. Jennifer > On Jun 11, 2018, at 10:40 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Jennifer ? I actually answered you yesterday, but the darned email was caught up by the FeLV filter which captures emails that have too long an email trail. > > I have cut out some of the earlier emails to enable the email to go through (hopefully). > > Amani > > From: Amani Oakley > Sent: June-10-18 3:22 PM > To: 'felvtalk at felineleukemia.org' > Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 > > What a very sad story about your blind cat. I understand your heart break. I too have placed cats into what I thought were excellent homes, only to have a sad, and an unnecessarily tragic outcome. I have probably adopted out close to 400 cats in the time my husband and I have been rescuing cats. Thankfully, most of the time, people are just really happy to return a cat to me if things aren?t working out, but I know only too well that once out of my hands, you?re at the mercy of what someone else thinks is the right thing to do. > > Your email to felv talk goes out to everyone on the list at the same time. I will often answer regarding FeLV because I was lucky enough to have stumbled on a medication protocol (which I was calling Zander?s protocol) which treated my Zander?s FeLV when EVERYTHING else had failed. I used to be a medical lab technologist so lab results are key to me. When trying Zander on the various medications that were suggested as assisting with FeLV, I got weekly bloodwork done and would study the results to see which direction his bloodwork was going. Nothing worked at all (Interferon, LTCI, combo of prednisone/Doxy) and I kept him alive with several blood transfusions. When that was no longer an option because he had had a reaction during his last blood transfusion and the next one would kill him, I rummaged around in my drawer of cat meds, and had nothing else at all to try but figured what the hell, and tried him on Winstrol (Stanazalol) which I thought might at least keep him eating and maybe keep him alive a bit longer. To my complete and utter amazement and disbelief, after just a few days on Winstrol, his ivory white gums and inner ears (signs of his profound anemia) started showing a slight pinkish blush. The next blood work (a few days later) showed the first uptick in haematocrit that I had seen with him since the FeLV crisis had begun, which was not brought on by the artificial increase in red cells from his transfusions. > > I kept him on the combination of prednisone/doxycycline/winstrol for more than a year, while his haematocrit climbed from 10 and back into the normal reference range of 25 to 45. Everytime I tried to stop or reduce the dosage of winstrol, his blood results would show an immediate drop in red cells and haematocrit, so even though his liver enzymes went way up (the reason Winstrol had fallen out of favour with the vets), I really had no choice but to continue since the vets had nothing else to offer me and the alternative was he was going to die from the FeLV infection. He recovered fully, looked marvelous and amazing, ate well, and his liver enzymes went right back to normal once I discontinued the Winstrol ? something like 10 months later. > > No one seemed to know this combination, and the vets I spoke with seemed wary or suspicious that this combination would indeed be helpful in FeLV (except mine ? who had of course seen the weekly blood work showing a slow and steady rise in red cells and ultimately, in white cells and platelets, until his entire haematological profile looked perfectly fine). At the time, I was understandably extremely excited by the effects of the Winstrol and I believe that the Winstrol was able to cause the production of new bone marrow cells (something it has been found to do in osteoporotic women) and thus, new cells which could produce the red cells. However, I now also think that the combination worked because the Doxycycline was able to retard or slow down the viral replication, to allow the red cell production to move ahead with less risk that the FeLV would attack the new bone marrow cells. I have been told that the prednisone helps protect the liver from the Winstrol, but I also think that it?s anti-inflammatory properties helped in areas like intestinal inflammation (Zander had lots of trouble eating and keeping the food down). So, I think maybe I by accident stumbled on this combination, but was able to understand what might be happening and why it might have worked, because of my scientific/medical training. > > Zander lived another 7 years and died from a heart condition which I wondered at the time if it was related, and it might have been, but it probably was that the virus had done a fair amount of damage to certain organs before I was able to get it under control. We loved Zander to a crazy extent, and I sure as hell wanted him with us for longer than 7 years, but given that the vets were telling us there was no hope when he was only six months old, I guess I must just be grateful that we had him for so much longer than that. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich > Sent: June-10-18 6:54 AM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 > > Thanks so much Amani. What an amazing global group. Very awesome to have such support for folks and these cats, everywhere! > > Amani, when I am emailing you now, is it going out to the group or just you? For example, is there a different email I should be using. Please let me know, and then I?ll > have the hang of it, thanks!-:) > > I really appreciate ur time, compassion, and advice and communication. I will keep in mind the advice on the doxy for sure. > > > Our understanding predominantly is that FIV is via bite wounds, where my experience with one cat who fortunately wasn?t aggressive and fit with the environment. > My understanding with Felv is via bites as well also general contact. With so much contraversy about it, it?s very interesting from what u share how some seem to spread or get it while others don?t.... like life, a continual learning process for me.. > > Canada wow - I am in south florida and long story short I flew with a special needs senior blind cat I rescued and rehabbed to his furrever home in canada. He was purrfectly fine when I left him there (and yes I was very attached b/c I knew everything about him) (only reason I decided to home him was b/c I had a sick older cat and I feared it may stress her, and that he may have been better off.....he was an amazing special soul!!! Very special. I settled him in for a few says all was fine; But 3 weeks later he took a crazy turn where he was worse off than when I first found him (and he was bad off with broken pelvis), and, they euthanized-:( my heart still and always will hurt over it. They were nice people and good animal people with good intentions but IMO made mistakes and would not heed my advice for transitioning him. Rushed it with their other animals which freaked him out; he fell off the bed, yada yada. They said he had cancer. Based on what I?d ask? No answer. Anything may have been b/c he too was community cat with unknown background, altho all his same tests I had from a month prior were fine. I asked (begged) to share his medical records which aside from my own edification, I felt his story and whatever caused his demise, could Really help other cats somehow. His story was extraordinary, as was/is he. So for it to end that way and be ignored as to why, was cruel and unjust. Like if nothing to hide, why not share the records. To this day a year and half later I still wish I had them for some kind of closure, not only for me but his story in order to help other cats in similar situations. Sorry I strayed (no punn intended Lol) from the topic. > > > Like you said, and you have much more experience, about putting them back out, esp. being vulnerable/sick and after they?ve experienced love. > > Jennifer > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmassello at yahoo.com Sat Jun 16 18:26:35 2018 From: jmassello at yahoo.com (judith cook) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 23:26:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Felvtalk] Spice References: <653460224.734675.1529191595388.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <653460224.734675.1529191595388@mail.yahoo.com> My cat Spice is a 7 yr. old female calico/torti that I have had for 3 years. ?She was a stray and tested FeL+ when I first took her to the vet. ?At the time, she presented no symptoms, and remained that way until January of this year when she stopped eating. ?At that time she was NOT anemic, and her blood tests showed that she probably had some kind of cold - low fever, and some kind of infection. ?It took her about three months and some special antibiotics (or some kind of drops) but she recovered, although she has never gotten back her hefty appetite or all of her lost weight. ?I just took her for her 6 month checkup and her blood test showed some pretty significant anemia, enough that she could get a transfusion. ?We decided to give her a B12 shot and pills for now, as she does not seem overly sick. Also, it does not seem to me that transfusions do much good for our FeL+ kitties from the posts I've read. I ?am ready to put her on the Winstrol - doxycycline - prednesolone regimen if I can get it, but I am wondering if it would do any good considering her age. ?Also, would she have to be on this regimen forever, or ?would she have periods off of it or would it just depend? ?When I took Spice in for her "cold" in January, my vet said that she could give my cat steroids but that they might kill her. ?Do you know anything about that? ?I know that Winstrol is a steroid. Do you think that the Winstrol-doxycycline-prednesolone is a good idea for Spice or not? ?I aim thinking yes, if I can get my vet to prescribe some. ?It seems like Winstrol is a kind of "miracle" medicine (like most steroids) Thank all of you for the information I've gotten from your posts. ?I am sorry if I am asking redundant questions, but I didn't find those answers from the posts. ?I want my Spice to live a good life for as long as she can without putting her through all kinds of stress. Thanks againJudy ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Sat Jun 16 18:31:35 2018 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 23:31:35 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Spice In-Reply-To: <653460224.734675.1529191595388@mail.yahoo.com> References: <653460224.734675.1529191595388.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <653460224.734675.1529191595388@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Judy The Winstrol combo may help regardless of her age. I have had a 16 year old cat with a sarcoma on it, and it helped tremendously with things like appetite and better mood (playing more, etc.) I don?t know why Winstrol wouldn?t work to assist with the anemia just because of age. It doesn?t always work but I have seen some pretty good responses. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of judith cook Sent: June-16-18 7:27 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Spice My cat Spice is a 7 yr. old female calico/torti that I have had for 3 years. She was a stray and tested FeL+ when I first took her to the vet. At the time, she presented no symptoms, and remained that way until January of this year when she stopped eating. At that time she was NOT anemic, and her blood tests showed that she probably had some kind of cold - low fever, and some kind of infection. It took her about three months and some special antibiotics (or some kind of drops) but she recovered, although she has never gotten back her hefty appetite or all of her lost weight. I just took her for her 6 month checkup and her blood test showed some pretty significant anemia, enough that she could get a transfusion. We decided to give her a B12 shot and pills for now, as she does not seem overly sick. Also, it does not seem to me that transfusions do much good for our FeL+ kitties from the posts I've read. I am ready to put her on the Winstrol - doxycycline - prednesolone regimen if I can get it, but I am wondering if it would do any good considering her age. Also, would she have to be on this regimen forever, or would she have periods off of it or would it just depend? When I took Spice in for her "cold" in January, my vet said that she could give my cat steroids but that they might kill her. Do you know anything about that? I know that Winstrol is a steroid. Do you think that the Winstrol-doxycycline-prednesolone is a good idea for Spice or not? I aim thinking yes, if I can get my vet to prescribe some. It seems like Winstrol is a kind of "miracle" medicine (like most steroids) Thank all of you for the information I've gotten from your posts. I am sorry if I am asking redundant questions, but I didn't find those answers from the posts. I want my Spice to live a good life for as long as she can without putting her through all kinds of stress. Thanks again Judy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Sat Jun 16 18:34:49 2018 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 23:34:49 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Spice In-Reply-To: <653460224.734675.1529191595388@mail.yahoo.com> References: <653460224.734675.1529191595388.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <653460224.734675.1529191595388@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry ? I should have answered about the duration of treatment too. No, she wouldn?t be on it forever. Monitor the blood work until the anemia is REALLY gone and monitor the blood work after you wean her off the Winstrol. Prepare to put her back on until she stabilizes. Expect an increase in liver function enzymes, but as far as my experience goes, the rise is temporary and the enzymes go back to normal once the Winstrol is discontinued. The duration of time of treatment really just depends on how long it takes for the anemia to resolve, and the red cell indices to remain within the normal reference ranges in a stable fashion. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of judith cook Sent: June-16-18 7:27 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Spice My cat Spice is a 7 yr. old female calico/torti that I have had for 3 years. She was a stray and tested FeL+ when I first took her to the vet. At the time, she presented no symptoms, and remained that way until January of this year when she stopped eating. At that time she was NOT anemic, and her blood tests showed that she probably had some kind of cold - low fever, and some kind of infection. It took her about three months and some special antibiotics (or some kind of drops) but she recovered, although she has never gotten back her hefty appetite or all of her lost weight. I just took her for her 6 month checkup and her blood test showed some pretty significant anemia, enough that she could get a transfusion. We decided to give her a B12 shot and pills for now, as she does not seem overly sick. Also, it does not seem to me that transfusions do much good for our FeL+ kitties from the posts I've read. I am ready to put her on the Winstrol - doxycycline - prednesolone regimen if I can get it, but I am wondering if it would do any good considering her age. Also, would she have to be on this regimen forever, or would she have periods off of it or would it just depend? When I took Spice in for her "cold" in January, my vet said that she could give my cat steroids but that they might kill her. Do you know anything about that? I know that Winstrol is a steroid. Do you think that the Winstrol-doxycycline-prednesolone is a good idea for Spice or not? I aim thinking yes, if I can get my vet to prescribe some. It seems like Winstrol is a kind of "miracle" medicine (like most steroids) Thank all of you for the information I've gotten from your posts. I am sorry if I am asking redundant questions, but I didn't find those answers from the posts. 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URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Wed Jun 20 15:10:23 2018 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:10:23 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Spice In-Reply-To: <545269216.2453407.1529525208218@mail.yahoo.com> References: <545269216.2453407.1529525208218.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <545269216.2453407.1529525208218@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Judith. I think that Diamondback had provided Winstrol in a liquid form to others on this chatline. I have no experience at all with that so I cannot comment. My vet uses a compounding pharmacy which makes the Winstrol in small 1 mg tablets which I find easy to pill. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of judith cook Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:07 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Spice I am elated! My vet just called wanting to know the tel.# of Diamondback Drugs and wanting to verify that the Winstrol comes in tablets that can be used in 1mg doses. I had assumed that this was the case - am I right? She had called her regular drug supplier who only had it in 25mg tablets. Anyway, gave her the tel. #. Spice is already on doxycyline (for 2 days) but not prednizone. I am so encouraged that my vet is receptive to this treatment. I suppose because?. well, might as well try it. Please advise, and thank you all! Judy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From swacht1946 at comcast.net Wed Jun 20 19:56:54 2018 From: swacht1946 at comcast.net (Sandy) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Spice In-Reply-To: References: <545269216.2453407.1529525208218.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <545269216.2453407.1529525208218@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1221828350.70146.1529542615122@connect.xfinity.com> Happy Tails!! Been following along - had nothing to add - so happy that vet is willing to try - sure can't hurt. Best of luck Sandy W > On June 20, 2018 at 4:10 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > > > Hi Judith. I think that Diamondback had provided Winstrol in a liquid form to others on this chatline. I have no experience at all with that so I cannot comment. My vet uses a compounding pharmacy which makes the Winstrol in small 1 mg tablets which I find easy to pill. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of judith cook > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:07 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Spice > > > > I am elated! My vet just called wanting to know the tel.# of Diamondback Drugs and wanting to verify that the Winstrol comes in tablets that can be used in 1mg doses. I had assumed that this was the case - am I right? She had called her regular drug supplier who only had it in 25mg tablets. Anyway, gave her the tel. #. Spice is already on doxycyline (for 2 days) but not prednizone. I am so encouraged that my vet is receptive to this treatment. I suppose because?. well, might as well try it. Please advise, and thank you all! > > Judy > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: