From wlrd2012 at xplornet.com  Wed Feb 21 15:31:09 2018
From: wlrd2012 at xplornet.com (wlrd2012 at xplornet.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:31:09 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Unsubscribe me please
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Please unsubscribe me.  Thank you.
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From swacht1946 at comcast.net  Wed Feb 21 16:01:55 2018
From: swacht1946 at comcast.net (Sandy)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails
Message-ID: <1042579679.26184.1519250515437@connect.xfinity.com>

Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November 2017.  


Sandy W
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From felinerescue at frontier.com  Wed Feb 21 17:28:44 2018
From: felinerescue at frontier.com (Lorrie)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:28:44 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails
In-Reply-To: <1042579679.26184.1519250515437@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1042579679.26184.1519250515437@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <20180221232844.GA885@lnx12.netgear.com>

Hi Sandy, I noticed the total lack of messages...... Hopefully this
means none of us are having any problems with our cats at this time.

Lorrie

On 02-21, Sandy wrote:
> Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November 2017.  
> 
> 
> Sandy W
> _______________________________________________
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> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org



From moonvine at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 18:11:18 2018
From: moonvine at gmail.com (Kelley S)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:11:18 -0600
Subject: [Felvtalk] Unsubscribe me please
In-Reply-To: <2f6e2f65839af651b4e346d68d257736@xplornet.com>
References: <2f6e2f65839af651b4e346d68d257736@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <CAE8gYwHQS82aYWOkOU9P4cx6mmOKKnqyTC8fSnWQ0fBCDRVmSQ@mail.gmail.com>

There's a link at the bottom of every message telling you how to
unsubscribe.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 3:31 PM, <wlrd2012 at xplornet.com> wrote:

> Please unsubscribe me.  Thank you.
>
>
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From moonvine at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 18:12:39 2018
From: moonvine at gmail.com (Kelley S)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:12:39 -0600
Subject: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails
In-Reply-To: <20180221232844.GA885@lnx12.netgear.com>
References: <1042579679.26184.1519250515437@connect.xfinity.com>
	<20180221232844.GA885@lnx12.netgear.com>
Message-ID: <CAE8gYwGoRm_3gzoeupjBT1frAHMwTTm7_uTs0Mf0FNoF6-KBcA@mail.gmail.com>

I only get messages when there have been 2.  I never ever get initial
messages.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 5:28 PM, Lorrie <felinerescue at frontier.com> wrote:

> Hi Sandy, I noticed the total lack of messages...... Hopefully this
> means none of us are having any problems with our cats at this time.
>
> Lorrie
>
> On 02-21, Sandy wrote:
> > Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November 2017.
> >
> >
> > Sandy W
> > _______________________________________________
> > Felvtalk mailing list
> > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
>
>
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From merrykatmeows at email.com  Wed Feb 21 18:33:05 2018
From: merrykatmeows at email.com (kat)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 01:33:05 +0100
Subject: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails
In-Reply-To: <1042579679.26184.1519250515437@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1042579679.26184.1519250515437@connect.xfinity.com>
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From j13w0lson at gmail.com  Thu Feb 22 18:46:54 2018
From: j13w0lson at gmail.com (Jennifer Olson)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:46:54 -0600
Subject: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails
In-Reply-To: <1042579679.26184.1519250515437@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1042579679.26184.1519250515437@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <CAN4iT48MMp3UHv2NizrXQeq9ZO_dv7borD7jk=QsOcGSD9SksA@mail.gmail.com>

Been peaceful !

On Feb 21, 2018 4:02 PM, "Sandy" <swacht1946 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November 2017.
>
>
> Sandy W
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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From bchapel at optonline.net  Thu Feb 22 20:37:21 2018
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:37:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.55.1519255711.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
References: <mailman.55.1519255711.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
Message-ID: <1b5cbf7f.d3e8.161c085ab6e.Webtop.47@optonline.net>

Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided to 
unsubscribe....

Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few months 
????? I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ 
for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest 
and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they 
had their exposure....? Think we might already have a place that will 
give a home to this cutie.... unfortunately not a family... but better 
than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter..... He 
needs company....

Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing pretty 
well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on 
life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... Jerry is still 
suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to 
control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so 
far.....

Bob in Warwick NY


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wrote:

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>    1. Re: FIV (ROBERT CHAPEL)
>    2. Re: FIV (Amani Oakley)
>    3. Re: FIV (Lorrie)
>    4. Re: FIV (dlgegg at windstream.net)
>    5. Merry Christmas & Happy Anniversary wishes (Jennifer Olson)
>    6. Unsubscribe me please (wlrd2012 at xplornet.com)
>    7. not receiving e-mails (Sandy)
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>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:48:56 -0500 (EST)
> From: ROBERT CHAPEL To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
> Message-ID: <153d54b2.3346.16095df6e39.Webtop.34 at optonline.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no
>
> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've 
> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of 
> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past 
> couple of weeks??
>
>
> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our 
> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where near 
> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential 
> adopters...
> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't 
> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the 
> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and 
> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of FIV's 
> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any 
> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)... 
> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....? 
> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an 
> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
> QUESTION:
>
> 
> ?----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
>> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
>> [Felvtalk] Question
>> Message-ID:
>> 	
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for 
>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary 
>> arsenal to combat it.
>>
>> Amani
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 04:07:39 +0000
> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
> [Felvtalk] FIV
> Message-ID:
> 	
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi Bob
>
> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I 
> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I haven't 
> received any emails in weeks.
>
> Amani
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: December-26-17 9:49 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>
> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've 
> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of 
> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past 
> couple of weeks??
>
>
> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our 
> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where near 
> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential 
> adopters...
> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't 
> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the 
> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and 
> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of FIV's 
> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any 
> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)... 
> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....? 
> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an 
> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
> QUESTION:
>
> 
> ?----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
>> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
>> [Felvtalk] Question
>> Message-ID:
>> 	
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for 
>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary 
>> arsenal to combat it.
>>
>> Amani
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:33:47 -0500
> From: Lorrie To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
> Message-ID: <20171227143347.GA816 at lnx12.netgear.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
>
> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
>
> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the average
> person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of FIV.
>
>
> Lorrie
>
> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
>> Hi Bob
>>
>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
>> haven't received any emails in weeks.
>>
>> Amani
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 8:41:54 -0600
> From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org, felinerescue at frontier.com
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
> Message-ID: <20171227094154.PXG7R.4017.root at pamxwww01-z01>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> tHE ONLY PROBLEM MY GUYS HAVE IS BOREDOM.  iT HAS BEEN COLD, SNOWY AND 
> WINDY.  HARLEY WHO USUALLY GOES OUT NO MATTER WHAT JUST GOES TO THE 
> DOOR, THE WIND HITS HIM AND HE BACKS UP.  WE HAVE LOTS OF AMAZON 
> BOXES, TUNNELS AND A LIGHT TO CHASE.
>
> ---- Lorrie  wrote:
>>
>> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
>> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
>>
>> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
>>
>> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the 
>> average
>> person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of FIV.
>>
>>
>> Lorrie
>>
>> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>> Hi Bob
>>>
>>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
>>> haven't received any emails in weeks.
>>>
>>> Amani
>>
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:04:15 -0600
> From: Jennifer Olson To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Merry Christmas & Happy Anniversary wishes
> Message-ID:
> 	
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> December 22nd marked the beginning of our 2nd yr with Figaro in our 
> lives.
> He is healthy, but a bit heavy- the kind of weight gain common after 
> being
> neutered. Have yet to get him integrated into the clan, so each of us
> "bipedals" lavish Figaro with various kinds of attention... of course 
> I'M
> the "Mama" so Figaro and I do lots of grooming & cuddling!
> Much admiration goes out to all of you, whose loving strength enriches 
> the
> lives of precious fur-babies, for as long as we are able!
> Jen
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> Subject: [Felvtalk] Unsubscribe me please
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> Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November 2017.
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> Hi Sandy, I noticed the total lack of messages...... Hopefully this
> means none of us are having any problems with our cats at this time.
>
> Lorrie
>
> On 02-21, Sandy wrote:
>> Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November 
>> 2017.
>>
>> Sandy W
>> _______________________________________________
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From thyme2sail at gmail.com  Thu Feb 22 20:49:03 2018
From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:49:03 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <1b5cbf7f.d3e8.161c085ab6e.Webtop.47@optonline.net>
References: <mailman.55.1519255711.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
	<1b5cbf7f.d3e8.161c085ab6e.Webtop.47@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <CA+-nMsv+_jbezA2J-p2zQzn=voo9FWdzZGjw0akrPvXDXrWwFA@mail.gmail.com>

*Hi Bob and all,  *


*I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions about
not seeing posts.*


*I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a month
later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 6+-year-old
boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the southern
tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is also Tommy.  I took home a
FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have a home
and lots of love for whatever time he has.  He is playing, eating, and
giving lots of love and demanding lots of love!  He is living in my Master
suit while he is being vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his Sunny
and Tommy who are super eager to meet him :).   *


On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net>
wrote:

> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided to
> unsubscribe....
>
> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few months
> ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ for a
> few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, mercifully, so
> far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of the
> bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their exposure....
> Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this cutie....
> unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy in
> isolation here at our shelter..... He needs company....
>
> Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing pretty
> well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on
> life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... Jerry is still
> suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to control
> it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.....
>
> Bob in Warwick NY
>
>
>
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From ardyr at centurytel.net  Thu Feb 22 21:21:24 2018
From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:21:24 -0600
Subject: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <1b5cbf7f.d3e8.161c085ab6e.Webtop.47@optonline.net>
References: <mailman.55.1519255711.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
	<1b5cbf7f.d3e8.161c085ab6e.Webtop.47@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <000a01d3ac55$63570000$2a050000$@centurytel.net>

Hi Bob,

If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small amount of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then get him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was given to babies who had life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else worked. 

 

I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something like a parasite causing it? Not sure....just trying to help ?

 

Ardy

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

 

Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided to unsubscribe....

 

Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their exposure....  Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this cutie.... unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter..... He needs company....

 

Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing pretty well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.....

 

Bob in Warwick NY

 

 

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> 

>    1. Re: FIV (ROBERT CHAPEL)

>    2. Re: FIV (Amani Oakley)

>    3. Re: FIV (Lorrie)

>    4. Re: FIV ( <mailto:dlgegg at windstream.net> dlgegg at windstream.net)

>    5. Merry Christmas & Happy Anniversary wishes (Jennifer Olson)

>    6. Unsubscribe me please ( <mailto:wlrd2012 at xplornet.com> wlrd2012 at xplornet.com)

>    7. not receiving e-mails (Sandy)

>    8. Re: not receiving e-mails (Lorrie)

> 

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> Message: 1

> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:48:56 -0500 (EST)

> From: ROBERT CHAPEL To:  <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org

> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

> Message-ID: < <mailto:153d54b2.3346.16095df6e39.Webtop.34 at optonline.net> 153d54b2.3346.16095df6e39.Webtop.34 at optonline.net>

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no

> 

> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've 

> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of 

> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.

> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past 

> couple of weeks??

> 

> 

> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our 

> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where near 

> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential 

> adopters...

> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't 

> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the 

> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and 

> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of FIV's 

> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any 

> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...

> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....? 

> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an 

> FIV over an FeLV Kitty

> QUESTION:

> 

> 

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>> 

>> Message: 1

>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000

>> From: Amani Oakley To: " <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 

>> [Felvtalk] Question

>> Message-ID:

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>> 

>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for 

>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary 

>> arsenal to combat it.

>> 

>> Amani

> 

> 

> 

> 

> ------------------------------

> 

> Message: 2

> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 04:07:39 +0000

> From: Amani Oakley To: " <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 

> [Felvtalk] FIV

> Message-ID:

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> 

> Hi Bob

> 

> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I 

> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I haven't 

> received any emails in weeks.

> 

> Amani

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Felvtalk [ <mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org> mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 

> Of ROBERT CHAPEL

> Sent: December-26-17 9:49 PM

> To:  <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org

> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

> 

> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've 

> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of 

> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.

> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past 

> couple of weeks??

> 

> 

> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our 

> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where near 

> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential 

> adopters...

> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't 

> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the 

> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and 

> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of FIV's 

> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any 

> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...

> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....? 

> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an 

> FIV over an FeLV Kitty

> QUESTION:

> 

> 

> ?---------------------------------------------------------------------

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>> 

>> Message: 1

>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000

>> From: Amani Oakley To: " <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 

>> [Felvtalk] Question

>> Message-ID:

>>           

>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

>> 

>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for 

>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary 

>> arsenal to combat it.

>> 

>> Amani

> 

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> Message: 3

> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:33:47 -0500

> From: Lorrie To:  <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org

> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

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> 

> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.

> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.

> 

> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.

> 

> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the average 

> person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of FIV.

> 

> 

> Lorrie

> 

> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:

>> Hi Bob

>> 

>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I 

>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I haven't 

>> received any emails in weeks.

>> 

>> Amani

> 

> 

> 

> ------------------------------

> 

> Message: 4

> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 8:41:54 -0600

> From: To:  <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org,  <mailto:felinerescue at frontier.com> felinerescue at frontier.com

> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

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> 

> tHE ONLY PROBLEM MY GUYS HAVE IS BOREDOM.  iT HAS BEEN COLD, SNOWY AND 

> WINDY.  HARLEY WHO USUALLY GOES OUT NO MATTER WHAT JUST GOES TO THE 

> DOOR, THE WIND HITS HIM AND HE BACKS UP.  WE HAVE LOTS OF AMAZON 

> BOXES, TUNNELS AND A LIGHT TO CHASE.

> 

> ---- Lorrie  wrote:

>> 

>> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.

>> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.

>> 

>> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.

>> 

>> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the 

>> average person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of 

>> FIV.

>> 

>> 

>> Lorrie

>> 

>> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:

>>> Hi Bob

>>> 

>>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I 

>>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I 

>>> haven't received any emails in weeks.

>>> 

>>> Amani

>> 

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>> g

> 

> 

> 

> 

> ------------------------------

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> Message: 5

> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:04:15 -0600

> From: Jennifer Olson To:  <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org

> Subject: [Felvtalk] Merry Christmas & Happy Anniversary wishes

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> December 22nd marked the beginning of our 2nd yr with Figaro in our 

> lives.

> He is healthy, but a bit heavy- the kind of weight gain common after 

> being neutered. Have yet to get him integrated into the clan, so each 

> of us "bipedals" lavish Figaro with various kinds of attention... of 

> course I'M the "Mama" so Figaro and I do lots of grooming & cuddling!

> Much admiration goes out to all of you, whose loving strength enriches 

> the lives of precious fur-babies, for as long as we are able!

> Jen

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> To:  <mailto:Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org

> Subject: [Felvtalk] Unsubscribe me please

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> Subject: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails

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> Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November 2017.

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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails

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> Hi Sandy, I noticed the total lack of messages...... Hopefully this 

> means none of us are having any problems with our cats at this time.

> 

> Lorrie

> 

> On 02-21, Sandy wrote:

>> Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November 

>> 2017.

>> 

>> Sandy W

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From ardyr at centurytel.net  Thu Feb 22 21:29:10 2018
From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:29:10 -0600
Subject: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
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Hi all ? Pam, Sorry to hear about your Ally.  My Peekers will be 20 in April, and I?m not sure she will make it to this milestone. Her joints seem to be giving out, and she eats sporadically although she drinks a lot of water (diabetic?). Who knows??. At this point we are just keeping her as comfy as possible and putting up with her very loud talking (she must be a bit deaf). I don?t even know what 20 would be in cat years.

 

And our Topaz is doing well. She is doing a lot of the things Tigger used to do. I have come to the conclusion cats react to the way their family treats them.

 

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:49 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

 

Hi Bob and all,  

I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions about not seeing posts.

I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a month later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 6+-year-old boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the southern tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is also Tommy.  I took home a FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have a home and lots of love for whatever time he has.  He is playing, eating, and giving lots of love and demanding lots of love!  He is living in my Master suit while he is being vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his Sunny and Tommy who are super eager to meet him :).   

 

 

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net <mailto:bchapel at optonline.net> > wrote:

Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided to unsubscribe....

Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their exposure....  Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this cutie.... unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter..... He needs company....

Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing pretty well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.....

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From: swacht1946 at comcast.net (Sandy)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 09:54:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
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Bob, have you tried BENE-BAC PLUS - pet gel??  I got it on Chewy.com - inexpensive - and good to have on hand anyway.  Tested for coccidia I'm guessing.  try the BENE-BAC

> On February 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM Ardy Robertson <ardyr at centurytel.n
> 

Sandy W

> et> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Bob,
> 
>     If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small amount of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then get him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was given to babies who had life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else worked.
> 
>      
> 
>     I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something like a parasite causing it? Not sure....just trying to help ?
> 
>      
> 
>     Ardy
> 
>      
> 
>      
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>     Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM
>     To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>     Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
> 
>      
> 
>     Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided to unsubscribe....
> 
>      
> 
>     Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their exposure....  Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this cutie.... unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter..... He needs company....
> 
>      
> 
>     Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing pretty well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.....
> 
>      
> 
>     Bob in Warwick NY
> 
>      
> 
>      
> 
>     On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 06:28 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org
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>     >    1. Re: FIV (ROBERT CHAPEL)
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>     >    2. Re: FIV (Amani Oakley)
> 
>     >    3. Re: FIV (Lorrie)
> 
>     >    4. Re: FIV (dlgegg at windstream.net mailto:dlgegg at windstream.net )
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>     >    5. Merry Christmas & Happy Anniversary wishes (Jennifer Olson)
> 
>     >    6. Unsubscribe me please (wlrd2012 at xplornet.com mailto:wlrd2012 at xplornet.com )
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>     > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:48:56 -0500 (EST)
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>     > From: ROBERT CHAPEL To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> 
>     > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
> 
>     > Message-ID: <153d54b2.3346.16095df6e39.Webtop.34 at optonline.net mailto:153d54b2.3346.16095df6e39.Webtop.34 at optonline.net >
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>     > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no
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>     > 
> 
>     > I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
> 
>     > gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
> 
>     > messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
> 
>     > Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
> 
>     > couple of weeks??
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
> 
>     > experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where near
> 
>     > as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
> 
>     > adopters...
> 
>     > Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't
> 
>     > even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
> 
>     > beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and
> 
>     > have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of FIV's
> 
>     > ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
> 
>     > others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...
> 
>     > but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
> 
>     > Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
> 
>     > FIV over an FeLV Kitty
> 
>     > QUESTION:
> 
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>     >> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
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>     >> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org " Subject: Re:
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>     >> [Felvtalk] Question
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>     >>          
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>     >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>     >> 
> 
>     >> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
> 
>     >> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
> 
>     >> arsenal to combat it.
> 
>     >> 
> 
>     >> Amani
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > 
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>     > 
> 
>     > Message: 2
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>     > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 04:07:39 +0000
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>     > From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org " Subject: Re:
> 
>     > [Felvtalk] FIV
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>     > Message-ID:
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>     >            
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>     > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>     > 
> 
>     > Hi Bob
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
> 
>     > posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I haven't
> 
>     > received any emails in weeks.
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > Amani
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > -----Original Message-----
> 
>     > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf
> 
>     > Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> 
>     > Sent: December-26-17 9:49 PM
> 
>     > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> 
>     > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
> 
>     > gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
> 
>     > messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
> 
>     > Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
> 
>     > couple of weeks??
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
> 
>     > experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where near
> 
>     > as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
> 
>     > adopters...
> 
>     > Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't
> 
>     > even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
> 
>     > beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and
> 
>     > have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of FIV's
> 
>     > ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
> 
>     > others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...
> 
>     > but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
> 
>     > Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
> 
>     > FIV over an FeLV Kitty
> 
>     > QUESTION:
> 
>     > 
> 
>     >
> 
>     > ?---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>     > -
> 
>     >> 
> 
>     >> Message: 1
> 
>     >> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
> 
>     >> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org " Subject: Re:
> 
>     >> [Felvtalk] Question
> 
>     >> Message-ID:
> 
>     >>          
> 
>     >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
>     >> 
> 
>     >> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
> 
>     >> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
> 
>     >> arsenal to combat it.
> 
>     >> 
> 
>     >> Amani
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > _______________________________________________
> 
>     > Felvtalk mailing list
> 
>     > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> 
>     > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > ------------------------------
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > Message: 3
> 
>     > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:33:47 -0500
> 
>     > From: Lorrie To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> 
>     > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
> 
>     > Message-ID: <20171227143347.GA816 at lnx12.netgear.com mailto:20171227143347.GA816 at lnx12.netgear.com >
> 
>     > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
> 
>     > I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the average
> 
>     > person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of FIV.
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > Lorrie
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
> 
>     >> Hi Bob
> 
>     >> 
> 
>     >> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
> 
>     >> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I haven't
> 
>     >> received any emails in weeks.
> 
>     >> 
> 
>     >> Amani
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > ------------------------------
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > Message: 4
> 
>     > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 8:41:54 -0600
> 
>     > From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org , felinerescue at frontier.com mailto:felinerescue at frontier.com
> 
>     > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
> 
>     > Message-ID: <20171227094154.PXG7R.4017.root at pamxwww01-z01 mailto:20171227094154.PXG7R.4017.root at pamxwww01-z01 >
> 
>     > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > tHE ONLY PROBLEM MY GUYS HAVE IS BOREDOM.  iT HAS BEEN COLD, SNOWY AND
> 
>     > WINDY.  HARLEY WHO USUALLY GOES OUT NO MATTER WHAT JUST GOES TO THE
> 
>     > DOOR, THE WIND HITS HIM AND HE BACKS UP.  WE HAVE LOTS OF AMAZON
> 
>     > BOXES, TUNNELS AND A LIGHT TO CHASE.
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > ---- Lorrie  wrote:
> 
>     >> 
> 
>     >> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
> 
>     >> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
> 
>     >> 
> 
>     >> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
> 
>     >> 
> 
>     >> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the
> 
>     >> average person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of
> 
>     >> FIV.
> 
>     >> 
> 
>     >> 
> 
>     >> Lorrie
> 
>     >> 
> 
>     >> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
> 
>     >>> Hi Bob
> 
>     >>> 
> 
>     >>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
> 
>     >>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
> 
>     >>> haven't received any emails in weeks.
> 
>     >>> 
> 
>     >>> Amani
> 
>     >> 
> 
>     >> _______________________________________________
> 
>     >> Felvtalk mailing list
> 
>     >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> 
>     >>
> 
>     >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or
> 
>     >> g
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > ------------------------------
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > Message: 5
> 
>     > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:04:15 -0600
> 
>     > From: Jennifer Olson To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> 
>     > Subject: [Felvtalk] Merry Christmas & Happy Anniversary wishes
> 
>     > Message-ID:
> 
>     >            
> 
>     > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > December 22nd marked the beginning of our 2nd yr with Figaro in our
> 
>     > lives.
> 
>     > He is healthy, but a bit heavy- the kind of weight gain common after
> 
>     > being neutered. Have yet to get him integrated into the clan, so each
> 
>     > of us "bipedals" lavish Figaro with various kinds of attention... of
> 
>     > course I'M the "Mama" so Figaro and I do lots of grooming & cuddling!
> 
>     > Much admiration goes out to all of you, whose loving strength enriches
> 
>     > the lives of precious fur-babies, for as long as we are able!
> 
>     > Jen
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>     > Message: 6
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>     > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:31:09 +0000
> 
>     > From: wlrd2012 at xplornet.com mailto:wlrd2012 at xplornet.com
> 
>     > To: Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> 
>     > Subject: [Felvtalk] Unsubscribe me please
> 
>     > Message-ID: <2f6e2f65839af651b4e346d68d257736 at xplornet.com mailto:2f6e2f65839af651b4e346d68d257736 at xplornet.com >
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>     > Message: 7
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>     > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:55 -0500 (EST)
> 
>     > From: Sandy To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> 
>     > Subject: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails
> 
>     > Message-ID: <1042579679.26184.1519250515437 at connect.xfinity.com mailto:1042579679.26184.1519250515437 at connect.xfinity.com >
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>     > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>     > 
> 
>     > Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November 2017.
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > Sandy W
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>     > Message: 8
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>     > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:28:44 -0500
> 
>     > From: Lorrie To: Sandy , felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> 
>     > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails
> 
>     > Message-ID: <20180221232844.GA885 at lnx12.netgear.com mailto:20180221232844.GA885 at lnx12.netgear.com >
> 
>     > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > Hi Sandy, I noticed the total lack of messages...... Hopefully this
> 
>     > means none of us are having any problems with our cats at this time.
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > Lorrie
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > On 02-21, Sandy wrote:
> 
>     >> Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November
> 
>     >> 2017.
> 
>     >> 
> 
>     >> Sandy W
> 
>     >> _______________________________________________
> 
>     >> Felvtalk mailing list
> 
>     >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org mailto:Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> 
>     >>
> 
>     >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or
> 
>     >> g
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > ------------------------------
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>     > 
> 
>     > Subject: Digest Footer
> 
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> 
>     > 
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > ------------------------------
> 
>     > 
> 
>     > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
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> 
>     > 
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From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:52:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all
In-Reply-To: <mailman.73.1519397664.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
References: <mailman.73.1519397664.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
Message-ID: <2dc94231.e887.161c4702397.Webtop.37@optonline.net>

I,m sorry for the loss of your Ally Pam....it never gets easier
but so good of you to give a quality life to those less fortunate 
creatures who would be dying
alone in a cage.....it,s a kindness I really admire.


And Sandy, thank you for the suggestion......Ive tries a few food 
additives
at this point a d the problem is he just wont eat them,,,,Ive got a 
hundres bucks worth of pre and pro biotics here and he just picks at his 
food. ?he,s underweight to begin with and i dont want him losing 
more...... im going back today to cooking him a bland diet of chicken 
and rice and will again start adding medicine but in minute amounts a d 
building up.....im beginning to think he really needs a course of 
corticosteroids to get this initially under control.


bob9


On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 09:54 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org 
wrote:

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>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:29:10 -0600
> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, 
> Vol 44, Issue 1
> Message-ID: <000f01d3ac56$79226ae0$6b6740a0$@centurytel.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi all ? Pam, Sorry to hear about your Ally.  My Peekers will be 20 in 
> April, and I?m not sure she will make it to this milestone. Her joints 
> seem to be giving out, and she eats sporadically although she drinks a 
> lot of water (diabetic?). Who knows??. At this point we are just 
> keeping her as comfy as possible and putting up with her very loud 
> talking (she must be a bit deaf). I don?t even know what 20 would be 
> in cat years.
>
>
> And our Topaz is doing well. She is doing a lot of the things Tigger 
> used to do. I have come to the conclusion cats react to the way their 
> family treats them.
>
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Pam Doore
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:49 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
>
>
> Hi Bob and all,
> I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions 
> about not seeing posts.
>
> I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a month 
> later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 
> 6+-year-old boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a 
> shelter in the southern tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is 
> also Tommy.  I took home a FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring 
> and I wanted him to have a home and lots of love for whatever time he 
> has.  He is playing, eating, and giving lots of love and demanding 
> lots of love!  He is living in my Master suit while he is being 
> vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his Sunny and Tommy who are 
> super eager to meet him :).
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  > wrote:
>
> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided 
> to unsubscribe....
>
> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few 
> months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any 
> FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
> mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest 
> and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they 
> had their exposure....  Think we might already have a place that will 
> give a home to this cutie.... unfortunately not a family... but better 
> than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter..... He 
> needs company....
>
> Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing 
> pretty well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new 
> lease on life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... 
> Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking 
> for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have 
> failed so far.....
>
> Bob in Warwick NY
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 09:54:11 -0500 (EST)
> From: Sandy To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
> Message-ID: <805033243.130896.1519397651844 at connect.xfinity.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Bob, have you tried BENE-BAC PLUS - pet gel??  I got it on Chewy.com - 
> inexpensive - and good to have on hand anyway.  Tested for coccidia 
> I'm guessing.  try the BENE-BAC
>
>> On February 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM Ardy Robertson
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Digest Footer
>
> _______________________________________________
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> End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 4
> ***************************************
>


From bchapel at optonline.net  Fri Feb 23 14:52:18 2018
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:52:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all
In-Reply-To: <mailman.73.1519397664.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
References: <mailman.73.1519397664.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
Message-ID: <2dc94231.e887.161c4702397.Webtop.37@optonline.net>

I,m sorry for the loss of your Ally Pam....it never gets easier
but so good of you to give a quality life to those less fortunate 
creatures who would be dying
alone in a cage.....it,s a kindness I really admire.


And Sandy, thank you for the suggestion......Ive tries a few food 
additives
at this point a d the problem is he just wont eat them,,,,Ive got a 
hundres bucks worth of pre and pro biotics here and he just picks at his 
food. ?he,s underweight to begin with and i dont want him losing 
more...... im going back today to cooking him a bland diet of chicken 
and rice and will again start adding medicine but in minute amounts a d 
building up.....im beginning to think he really needs a course of 
corticosteroids to get this initially under control.


bob9


On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 09:54 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org 
wrote:

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>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:29:10 -0600
> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, 
> Vol 44, Issue 1
> Message-ID: <000f01d3ac56$79226ae0$6b6740a0$@centurytel.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi all ? Pam, Sorry to hear about your Ally.  My Peekers will be 20 in 
> April, and I?m not sure she will make it to this milestone. Her joints 
> seem to be giving out, and she eats sporadically although she drinks a 
> lot of water (diabetic?). Who knows??. At this point we are just 
> keeping her as comfy as possible and putting up with her very loud 
> talking (she must be a bit deaf). I don?t even know what 20 would be 
> in cat years.
>
>
> And our Topaz is doing well. She is doing a lot of the things Tigger 
> used to do. I have come to the conclusion cats react to the way their 
> family treats them.
>
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Pam Doore
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:49 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
>
>
> Hi Bob and all,
> I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions 
> about not seeing posts.
>
> I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a month 
> later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 
> 6+-year-old boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a 
> shelter in the southern tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is 
> also Tommy.  I took home a FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring 
> and I wanted him to have a home and lots of love for whatever time he 
> has.  He is playing, eating, and giving lots of love and demanding 
> lots of love!  He is living in my Master suit while he is being 
> vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his Sunny and Tommy who are 
> super eager to meet him :).
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  > wrote:
>
> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided 
> to unsubscribe....
>
> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few 
> months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any 
> FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
> mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest 
> and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they 
> had their exposure....  Think we might already have a place that will 
> give a home to this cutie.... unfortunately not a family... but better 
> than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter..... He 
> needs company....
>
> Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing 
> pretty well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new 
> lease on life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... 
> Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking 
> for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have 
> failed so far.....
>
> Bob in Warwick NY
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 09:54:11 -0500 (EST)
> From: Sandy To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
> Message-ID: <805033243.130896.1519397651844 at connect.xfinity.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Bob, have you tried BENE-BAC PLUS - pet gel??  I got it on Chewy.com - 
> inexpensive - and good to have on hand anyway.  Tested for coccidia 
> I'm guessing.  try the BENE-BAC
>
>> On February 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM Ardy Robertson
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Digest Footer
>
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From swacht1946 at comcast.net  Fri Feb 23 15:51:59 2018
From: swacht1946 at comcast.net (Sandy)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:51:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all
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Hi Bob - I use the BENE-BAC with a syringe - but you are probably correct with getting it under control with corticosteroids.  I had a Japanese Bobtail MX, who had special problems and I had to do that with him off and on - before I knew about the pre/probiotics. Best of luck - I know you won't stop trying to give a quality of life to the best of your ability.
Sandy W
> On February 23, 2018 at 3:52 PM ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I,m sorry for the loss of your Ally Pam....it never gets easier
> but so good of you to give a quality life to those less fortunate 
> creatures who would be dying
> alone in a cage.....it,s a kindness I really admire.
> 
> 
> And Sandy, thank you for the suggestion......Ive tries a few food 
> additives
> at this point a d the problem is he just wont eat them,,,,Ive got a 
> hundres bucks worth of pre and pro biotics here and he just picks at his 
> food.  he,s underweight to begin with and i dont want him losing 
> more...... im going back today to cooking him a bland diet of chicken 
> and rice and will again start adding medicine but in minute amounts a d 
> building up.....im beginning to think he really needs a course of 
> corticosteroids to get this initially under control.
> 
> 
> bob9
> 
> 
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> > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:29:10 -0600
> > From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, 
> > Vol 44, Issue 1
> > Message-ID: <000f01d3ac56$79226ae0$6b6740a0$@centurytel.net>
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> > Hi all ? Pam, Sorry to hear about your Ally.  My Peekers will be 20 in 
> > April, and I?m not sure she will make it to this milestone. Her joints 
> > seem to be giving out, and she eats sporadically although she drinks a 
> > lot of water (diabetic?). Who knows??. At this point we are just 
> > keeping her as comfy as possible and putting up with her very loud 
> > talking (she must be a bit deaf). I don?t even know what 20 would be 
> > in cat years.
> >
> >
> > And our Topaz is doing well. She is doing a lot of the things Tigger 
> > used to do. I have come to the conclusion cats react to the way their 
> > family treats them.
> >
> >
> > Ardy
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> > Of Pam Doore
> > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:49 PM
> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
> >
> >
> > Hi Bob and all,
> > I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions 
> > about not seeing posts.
> >
> > I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a month 
> > later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 
> > 6+-year-old boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a 
> > shelter in the southern tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is 
> > also Tommy.  I took home a FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring 
> > and I wanted him to have a home and lots of love for whatever time he 
> > has.  He is playing, eating, and giving lots of love and demanding 
> > lots of love!  He is living in my Master suit while he is being 
> > vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his Sunny and Tommy who are 
> > super eager to meet him :).
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  > wrote:
> >
> > Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided 
> > to unsubscribe....
> >
> > Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few 
> > months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any 
> > FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
> > mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest 
> > and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they 
> > had their exposure....  Think we might already have a place that will 
> > give a home to this cutie.... unfortunately not a family... but better 
> > than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter..... He 
> > needs company....
> >
> > Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing 
> > pretty well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new 
> > lease on life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... 
> > Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking 
> > for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have 
> > failed so far.....
> >
> > Bob in Warwick NY
> >
> >
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> > Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 09:54:11 -0500 (EST)
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> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
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> > Bob, have you tried BENE-BAC PLUS - pet gel??  I got it on Chewy.com - 
> > inexpensive - and good to have on hand anyway.  Tested for coccidia 
> > I'm guessing.  try the BENE-BAC
> >
> >> On February 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM Ardy Robertson
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From thyme2sail at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 16:16:19 2018
From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:16:19 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all
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Thank you Bob :).  I will try to post some pictures sometime of the crew
:).

A friend had a kitty who had chronic diarrhea and nothing worked.  They
found it was an autoimmune disease that was treated with B12 shots,
prednisone, and hydrolyzed protein.  He was on this plan for a few months
and has been diarrhea free for several years now.  He is also off the
hydrolyzed protein food too.  His stool is still softer than other cats but
no diarrhea.   I am extremely familiar with cats not eating food additives
and special foods that are supposed to help them.  My vet now says, "with
any other cat we would do ____, but this is Becca so will attempt____.
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From thyme2sail at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 16:21:18 2018
From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:21:18 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
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Thank you Ardy.  I absolutely believe in supportive comfort care.  I pet
sit and I have watched animals get so many treatments that they hide,
cringe when you reach even to pet them.  etc.  I can't do that to my babies
nor would I expect anyone else too.  Glad Topaz is doing well :-D.
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From dlgegg at windstream.net  Fri Feb 23 16:59:20 2018
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:59:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all
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Special foods have never helped my cats.  getting them off grain filled foods and gmo helped the most.  Now I find that blue buffalo has sold out to general mills, will have to find another food for m guys.  Used to have vomiting and loose stools but once I got them off foods with grain, that stopped.  Only time Harley vomits is when he gulps down his food and it hits the moisture in his stomach and back up it comes.  We are switching to wet foods that are organic.  Wet foods stay down.
----- Original Message -----
From: Pam Doore <thyme2sail at gmail.com>
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:16:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

Thank you Bob :).  I will try to post some pictures sometime of the crew :).  

A friend had a kitty who had chronic diarrhea and nothing worked.  They found it was an autoimmune disease that was treated with B12 shots, prednisone, and hydrolyzed protein.  He was on this plan for a few months and has been diarrhea free for several years now.  He is also off the hydrolyzed protein food too.  His stool is still softer than other cats but no diarrhea.   I am extremely familiar with cats not eating food additives and special foods that are supposed to help them.  My vet now says, "with any other cat we would do ____, but this is Becca so will attempt____.  




 




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From bchapel at optonline.net  Fri Feb 23 23:21:43 2018
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 00:21:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
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Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the ? runs?.... 
?I?m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the 
shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original 
recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and 
aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that 
my boy won?t eat his food with this foul tasting abx..... I?m 
reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly.... After a couple of weeks if I 
can?t get him to a full dose it?s time to change course.... He?s 15 
years old and he can?t afford to lose weight or get dehydrated.... ?He?s 
a foster who was ? supposed? to be back with his owner well before 
now....but.... it looks to me that these guys are going to be a lifespan 
placement....


On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org 
wrote:

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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> *Hi Bob and all,  *
>
>
> *I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions 
> about
> not seeing posts.*
>
>
> *I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a 
> month
> later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 
> 6+-year-old
> boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the 
> southern
> tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is also Tommy.  I took 
> home a
> FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have a 
> home
> and lots of love for whatever time he has.  He is playing, eating, and
> giving lots of love and demanding lots of love!  He is living in my 
> Master
> suit while he is being vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his 
> Sunny
> and Tommy who are super eager to meet him :).   *
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
>
>> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided 
>> to
>> unsubscribe....
>>
>> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few 
>> months
>> ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ 
>> for a
>> few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
>> mercifully, so
>> far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of 
>> the
>> bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their 
>> exposure....
>> Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this 
>> cutie....
>> unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy 
>> in
>> isolation here at our shelter..... He needs company....
>>
>> Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing 
>> pretty
>> well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on
>> life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... Jerry is 
>> still
>> suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to 
>> control
>> it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.....
>>
>> Bob in Warwick NY
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:21:24 -0600
> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, 
> Vol 44, Issue 1
> Message-ID: <000a01d3ac55$63570000$2a050000$@centurytel.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an 
> extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They 
> used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they 
> used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small amount 
> of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then get 
> him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was given to babies who had 
> life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else worked.
>
> I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something 
> like a parasite causing it? Not sure....just trying to help ?
>
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
>
>
> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided 
> to unsubscribe....
>
>
> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few 
> months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any 
> FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
> mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest 
> and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they 
> had their exposure....  Think we might already have a place that will 
> give a home to this cutie.... unfortunately not a family... but better 
> than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter..... He 
> needs company....
>
>
> Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing 
> pretty well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new 
> lease on life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... 
> Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking 
> for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have 
> failed so far.....
>
>
> Bob in Warwick NY
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 06:28 PM, 
> felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org
>
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>
>>    1. Re: FIV (ROBERT CHAPEL)
>
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>
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>
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>> Message: 1
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>> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:48:56 -0500 (EST)
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>> From: ROBERT CHAPEL To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>> Message-ID: <  153d54b2.3346.16095df6e39.Webtop.34 at optonline.net>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no
>
>>
>
>> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
>
>> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
>
>> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
>
>> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
>
>> couple of weeks??
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
>
>> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where 
>> near
>
>> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
>
>> adopters...
>
>> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't
>
>> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
>
>> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and
>
>> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of 
>> FIV's
>
>> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
>
>> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...
>
>> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
>
>> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
>
>> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
>
>> QUESTION:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 
>> ?---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>> -
>
>>>
>
>>> Message: 1
>
>>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
>
>>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
>
>>> [Felvtalk] Question
>
>>> Message-ID:
>
>>>
>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>>>
>
>>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
>
>>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
>
>>> arsenal to combat it.
>
>>>
>
>>> Amani
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 2
>
>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 04:07:39 +0000
>
>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
>
>> [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>> Message-ID:
>
>>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>>
>
>> Hi Bob
>
>>
>
>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>
>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I haven't
>
>> received any emails in weeks.
>
>>
>
>> Amani
>
>>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Felvtalk [  mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On 
>> Behalf
>
>> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>
>> Sent: December-26-17 9:49 PM
>
>> To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>>
>
>> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
>
>> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
>
>> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
>
>> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
>
>> couple of weeks??
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
>
>> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where 
>> near
>
>> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
>
>> adopters...
>
>> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't
>
>> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
>
>> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and
>
>> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of 
>> FIV's
>
>> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
>
>> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...
>
>> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
>
>> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
>
>> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
>
>> QUESTION:
>
>>
>
>>
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>>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
>
>>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
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>>> Amani
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>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:33:47 -0500
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>> From: Lorrie To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
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>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
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>> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
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>> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
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>>
>
>> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
>
>>
>
>> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the 
>> average
>
>> person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of FIV.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Lorrie
>
>>
>
>> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
>
>>> Hi Bob
>
>>>
>
>>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>
>>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I 
>>> haven't
>
>>> received any emails in weeks.
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>>>
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>>> Amani
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>> Message: 4
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>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 8:41:54 -0600
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>> From: To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org,   felinerescue at frontier.com
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>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
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>> Message-ID: <  20171227094154.PXG7R.4017.root at pamxwww01-z01>
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>>
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>> tHE ONLY PROBLEM MY GUYS HAVE IS BOREDOM.  iT HAS BEEN COLD, SNOWY 
>> AND
>
>> WINDY.  HARLEY WHO USUALLY GOES OUT NO MATTER WHAT JUST GOES TO THE
>
>> DOOR, THE WIND HITS HIM AND HE BACKS UP.  WE HAVE LOTS OF AMAZON
>
>> BOXES, TUNNELS AND A LIGHT TO CHASE.
>
>>
>
>> ---- Lorrie  wrote:
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>>>
>
>>> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
>
>>> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
>
>>>
>
>>> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
>
>>>
>
>>> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the
>
>>> average person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of
>
>>> FIV.
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> Lorrie
>
>>>
>
>>> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
>
>>>> Hi Bob
>
>>>>
>
>>>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>
>>>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
>
>>>> haven't received any emails in weeks.
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>>>>
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>>>> Amani
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>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:04:15 -0600
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>> Lorrie
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>> On 02-21, Sandy wrote:
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From thyme2sail at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 07:58:52 2018
From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 08:58:52 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
In-Reply-To: <6af95714.edbb.161c6428316.Webtop.44@optonline.net>
References: <mailman.65.1519356097.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
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Hi Bob,  My friend's cat I mentioned was a shelter cat who was treated by
both of our vets repeatedly and nothing worked. She was fostering and
finally gave up and took him to her own vet who saw everything that had
been tried and had not worked and went and did very expensive blood work
and then came up with the diagnosis the B12 prednisone and hydrolyzed
protein food. We were both disappointed that neither of the vet practices
that the cat had been to repeatedly and previously had never even
considered this condition as a possibility. If she had not adopted him he
would have been euthanized even though it's a no-kill shelter  Praise the
Lord different leadership is at the shelter now and that is not a
possibility anymore.

My Ally also got picky about food near the end and I definitely don't want
to mess around with the kitty not eating and doing anything to make them
even less inclined to eat.

It would be more expensive but if you could get the script compounded into
a transdermal to be absorbed through the skin in the ear that would make it
so the meds were not in the food.  I am very grateful for transdermal
meds:-D.
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From dlgegg at windstream.net  Sat Feb 24 11:15:08 2018
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:15:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea....
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i HAVE A NEW VET AND SHE IS OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS FOR TREATING ANYTHING  WILL STICK WITH HER FOR LIFE.  .
----- Original Message -----
From: Pam Doore <thyme2sail at gmail.com>
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 08:58:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

Hi Bob,  My friend's cat I mentioned was a shelter cat who was treated by both of our vets repeatedly and nothing worked. She was fostering and finally gave up and took him to her own vet who saw everything that had been tried and had not worked and went and did very expensive blood work and then came up with the diagnosis the B12 prednisone and hydrolyzed protein food. We were both disappointed that neither of the vet practices that the cat had been to repeatedly and previously had never even considered this condition as a possibility. If she had not adopted him he would have been euthanized even though it's a no-kill shelter  Praise the Lord different leadership is at the shelter now and that is not a possibility anymore.  

My Ally also got picky about food near the end and I definitely don't want to mess around with the kitty not eating and doing anything to make them even less inclined to eat.   

It would be more expensive but if you could get the script compounded into a transdermal to be absorbed through the skin in the ear that would make it so the meds were not in the food.  I am very grateful for transdermal meds:-D. 



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From felinerescue at frontier.com  Sun Feb 25 16:26:58 2018
From: felinerescue at frontier.com (Lorrie)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2018 17:26:58 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea (for Bob)
In-Reply-To: <000a01d3ac55$63570000$2a050000$@centurytel.net>
References: <mailman.55.1519255711.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
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Bob,

Bentonite edible white clay and pectin work wonders for diarrhea!
These are natural remedies and the dosage does not have to be exact.
I mix a bit of clay and open a capsule of apple pectin with water and
syringe a 3cc syringe, almost full, into the cats mouth.  It does not
taste bad (no taste) but of course the cat will protest as they
alwayss do :-(   Pet shops or Swanson Viamins carry both products.


Lorrie and ten rescued cats at home.



On 02-22, Ardy Robertson wrote:
> Hi Bob,
> 
> If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an
> extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's.
> They used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't
> think they used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a
> small amount of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of
> burns. Then get him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was
> given to babies who had life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else
> worked.
> 
>  
> 
> I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be
> something like a parasite causing it? Not sure....just trying to
> help ????
> 
>  
> 
> Ardy
> 
>  


From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Mon Feb 26 03:48:47 2018
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:48:47 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
In-Reply-To: <6af95714.edbb.161c6428316.Webtop.44@optonline.net>
References: <mailman.65.1519356097.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
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Bob

Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the lungs.  During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase, so using both might also assist.

I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn?t figure out how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However, unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I couldn?t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn?t exposed to any new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline. 

Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, and did a bit of research. 

So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if that leads to any improvement.

Amani 

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the ? runs?.... 
?I?m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my boy won?t eat his food with this foul tasting abx..... I?m reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly.... After a couple of weeks if I can?t get him to a full dose it?s time to change course.... He?s 15 years old and he can?t afford to lose weight or get dehydrated.... ?He?s a foster who was ? supposed? to be back with his owner well before now....but.... it looks to me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement....


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> *Hi Bob and all,  *
>
>
> *I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions 
> about not seeing posts.*
>
>
> *I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a 
> month
> later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 
> 6+-year-old
> boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the 
> southern
> tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is also Tommy.  I took 
> home a
> FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have a 
> home
> and lots of love for whatever time he has.  He is playing, eating, and
> giving lots of love and demanding lots of love!  He is living in my 
> Master
> suit while he is being vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his 
> Sunny
> and Tommy who are super eager to meet him :).   *
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
>
>> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided 
>> to
>> unsubscribe....
>>
>> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few 
>> months
>> ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ 
>> for a
>> few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
>> mercifully, so
>> far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of 
>> the
>> bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their 
>> exposure....
>> Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this 
>> cutie....
>> unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy 
>> in
>> isolation here at our shelter..... He needs company....
>>
>> Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing 
>> pretty
>> well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on
>> life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... Jerry is 
>> still
>> suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to 
>> control
>> it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.....
>>
>> Bob in Warwick NY
>>
>>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an 
> extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They 
> used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they 
> used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small amount 
> of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then get 
> him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was given to babies who had 
> life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else worked.
>
> I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something 
> like a parasite causing it? Not sure....just trying to help ?
>
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
>
>
> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided 
> to unsubscribe....
>
>
> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few 
> months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any 
> FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
> mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest 
> and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they 
> had their exposure....  Think we might already have a place that will 
> give a home to this cutie.... unfortunately not a family... but better 
> than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter..... He 
> needs company....
>
>
> Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing 
> pretty well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new 
> lease on life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... 
> Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking 
> for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have 
> failed so far.....
>
>
> Bob in Warwick NY
>
>
>
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>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>> Message-ID: <  153d54b2.3346.16095df6e39.Webtop.34 at optonline.net>
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no
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>>
>
>> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
>
>> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
>
>> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
>
>> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
>
>> couple of weeks??
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
>
>> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where 
>> near
>
>> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
>
>> adopters...
>
>> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't
>
>> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
>
>> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and
>
>> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of 
>> FIV's
>
>> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
>
>> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...
>
>> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
>
>> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
>
>> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
>
>> QUESTION:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 
>> ?---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>> -
>
>>>
>
>>> Message: 1
>
>>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
>
>>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
>
>>> [Felvtalk] Question
>
>>> Message-ID:
>
>>>
>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>>>
>
>>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
>
>>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
>
>>> arsenal to combat it.
>
>>>
>
>>> Amani
>
>>
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>>
>
>>
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>>
>
>> ------------------------------
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>>
>
>> Message: 2
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>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 04:07:39 +0000
>
>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
>
>> [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>> Message-ID:
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>>
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>> Hi Bob
>
>>
>
>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>
>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I haven't
>
>> received any emails in weeks.
>
>>
>
>> Amani
>
>>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Felvtalk [  mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On 
>> Behalf
>
>> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>
>> Sent: December-26-17 9:49 PM
>
>> To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>>
>
>> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
>
>> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
>
>> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
>
>> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
>
>> couple of weeks??
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
>
>> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where 
>> near
>
>> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
>
>> adopters...
>
>> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't
>
>> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
>
>> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and
>
>> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of 
>> FIV's
>
>> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
>
>> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...
>
>> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
>
>> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
>
>> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
>
>> QUESTION:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 
>> ?---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>> -
>
>>>
>
>>> Message: 1
>
>>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
>
>>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
>
>>> [Felvtalk] Question
>
>>> Message-ID:
>
>>>
>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>>>
>
>>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
>
>>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
>
>>> arsenal to combat it.
>
>>>
>
>>> Amani
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 3
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>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:33:47 -0500
>
>> From: Lorrie To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>> Message-ID: <  20171227143347.GA816 at lnx12.netgear.com>
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>>
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>>
>
>> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
>
>> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
>
>>
>
>> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
>
>>
>
>> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the 
>> average
>
>> person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of FIV.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Lorrie
>
>>
>
>> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
>
>>> Hi Bob
>
>>>
>
>>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>
>>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I 
>>> haven't
>
>>> received any emails in weeks.
>
>>>
>
>>> Amani
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
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>>
>
>> Message: 4
>
>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 8:41:54 -0600
>
>> From: To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org,   felinerescue at frontier.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>> Message-ID: <  20171227094154.PXG7R.4017.root at pamxwww01-z01>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
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>>
>
>> tHE ONLY PROBLEM MY GUYS HAVE IS BOREDOM.  iT HAS BEEN COLD, SNOWY 
>> AND
>
>> WINDY.  HARLEY WHO USUALLY GOES OUT NO MATTER WHAT JUST GOES TO THE
>
>> DOOR, THE WIND HITS HIM AND HE BACKS UP.  WE HAVE LOTS OF AMAZON
>
>> BOXES, TUNNELS AND A LIGHT TO CHASE.
>
>>
>
>> ---- Lorrie  wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
>
>>> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
>
>>>
>
>>> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
>
>>>
>
>>> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the
>
>>> average person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of
>
>>> FIV.
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> Lorrie
>
>>>
>
>>> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
>
>>>> Hi Bob
>
>>>>
>
>>>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>
>>>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
>
>>>> haven't received any emails in weeks.
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Amani
>
>>>
>
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>
>>> g
>
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>>
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>> Message: 5
>
>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:04:15 -0600
>
>> From: Jennifer Olson To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Merry Christmas & Happy Anniversary wishes
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>> December 22nd marked the beginning of our 2nd yr with Figaro in our
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>> lives.
>
>> He is healthy, but a bit heavy- the kind of weight gain common after
>
>> being neutered. Have yet to get him integrated into the clan, so each
>
>> of us "bipedals" lavish Figaro with various kinds of attention... of
>
>> course I'M the "Mama" so Figaro and I do lots of grooming & cuddling!
>
>> Much admiration goes out to all of you, whose loving strength 
>> enriches
>
>> the lives of precious fur-babies, for as long as we are able!
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>> Jen
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>> From:   wlrd2012 at xplornet.com
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>> To:   Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Unsubscribe me please
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>> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:55 -0500 (EST)
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>> From: Sandy To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails
>
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>> Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November 
>> 2017.
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>> From: Lorrie To: Sandy ,   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails
>
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>>
>
>> Hi Sandy, I noticed the total lack of messages...... Hopefully this
>
>> means none of us are having any problems with our cats at this time.
>
>>
>
>> Lorrie
>
>>
>
>> On 02-21, Sandy wrote:
>
>>> Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November
>
>>> 2017.
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>>>
>
>>> Sandy W
>
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From thyme2sail at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 04:49:06 2018
From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 05:49:06 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
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Amani, will roundworms aways show up in a fecal?

~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~

*Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick*


On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
wrote:

> Bob
>
> Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should
> have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which
> move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the
> lungs.  During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the
> lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the
> immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the
> intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms
> in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the
> Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their
> various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase,
> so using both might also assist.
>
> I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a
> year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of
> stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the
> vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn?t figure out
> how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was
> just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was
> strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could
> figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally
> understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her
> sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and
> saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However,
> unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the
> immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through
> mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first
> place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway,
> the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while
> nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I
> couldn?t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn?t exposed to any
> new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough
> and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and
> no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline.
>
> Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit,
> and did a bit of research.
>
> So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if
> that leads to any improvement.
>
> Amani
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
>
> Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the ? runs?....
>  I?m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the
> shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original
> recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and
> aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my
> boy won?t eat his food with this foul tasting abx..... I?m reintroducing
> it..now.. but VERY slowly.... After a couple of weeks if I can?t get him to
> a full dose it?s time to change course.... He?s 15 years old and he can?t
> afford to lose weight or get dehydrated....  He?s a foster who was ?
> supposed? to be back with his owner well before now....but.... it looks to
> me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement....
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org
> wrote:
>
> > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to
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> > Today's Topics:
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> >    2. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Ardy Robertson)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:49:03 -0500
> > From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
> > Message-ID:
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > *Hi Bob and all,  *
> >
> >
> > *I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions
> > about not seeing posts.*
> >
> >
> > *I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a
> > month
> > later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a
> > 6+-year-old
> > boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the
> > southern
> > tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is also Tommy.  I took
> > home a
> > FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have a
> > home
> > and lots of love for whatever time he has.  He is playing, eating, and
> > giving lots of love and demanding lots of love!  He is living in my
> > Master
> > suit while he is being vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his
> > Sunny
> > and Tommy who are super eager to meet him :).   *
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
> >
> >> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided
> >> to
> >> unsubscribe....
> >>
> >> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few
> >> months
> >> ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+
> >> for a
> >> few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting,
> >> mercifully, so
> >> far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of
> >> the
> >> bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their
> >> exposure....
> >> Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this
> >> cutie....
> >> unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy
> >> in
> >> isolation here at our shelter..... He needs company....
> >>
> >> Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing
> >> pretty
> >> well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on
> >> life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... Jerry is
> >> still
> >> suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to
> >> control
> >> it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.....
> >>
> >> Bob in Warwick NY
> >>
> >>
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> > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:21:24 -0600
> > From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest,
> > Vol 44, Issue 1
> > Message-ID: <000a01d3ac55$63570000$2a050000$@centurytel.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi Bob,
> >
> > If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an
> > extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They
> > used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they
> > used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small amount
> > of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then get
> > him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was given to babies who had
> > life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else worked.
> >
> > I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something
> > like a parasite causing it? Not sure....just trying to help ?
> >
> >
> > Ardy
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> > Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM
> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
> >
> >
> > Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided
> > to unsubscribe....
> >
> >
> > Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few
> > months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any
> > FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting,
> > mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest
> > and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they
> > had their exposure....  Think we might already have a place that will
> > give a home to this cutie.... unfortunately not a family... but better
> > than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter..... He
> > needs company....
> >
> >
> > Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing
> > pretty well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new
> > lease on life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER....
> > Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking
> > for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have
> > failed so far.....
> >
> >
> > Bob in Warwick NY
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 06:28 PM,
> > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> Today's Topics:
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> >>
> >
> >>    1. Re: FIV (ROBERT CHAPEL)
> >
> >>    2. Re: FIV (Amani Oakley)
> >
> >>    3. Re: FIV (Lorrie)
> >
> >>    4. Re: FIV (  dlgegg at windstream.net)
> >
> >>    5. Merry Christmas & Happy Anniversary wishes (Jennifer Olson)
> >
> >>    6. Unsubscribe me please (  wlrd2012 at xplornet.com)
> >
> >>    7. not receiving e-mails (Sandy)
> >
> >>    8. Re: not receiving e-mails (Lorrie)
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Message: 1
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:48:56 -0500 (EST)
> >
> >> From: ROBERT CHAPEL To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
> >
> >> Message-ID: <  153d54b2.3346.16095df6e39.Webtop.34 at optonline.net>
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
> >
> >> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
> >
> >> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
> >
> >> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
> >
> >> couple of weeks??
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
> >
> >> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where
> >> near
> >
> >> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
> >
> >> adopters...
> >
> >> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't
> >
> >> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
> >
> >> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and
> >
> >> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of
> >> FIV's
> >
> >> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
> >
> >> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...
> >
> >> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
> >
> >> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
> >
> >> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
> >
> >> QUESTION:
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> ?---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >> -
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Message: 1
> >
> >>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
> >
> >>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
> >
> >>> [Felvtalk] Question
> >
> >>> Message-ID:
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
> >
> >>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
> >
> >>> arsenal to combat it.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Amani
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> ------------------------------
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Message: 2
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 04:07:39 +0000
> >
> >> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
> >
> >> [Felvtalk] FIV
> >
> >> Message-ID:
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Hi Bob
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
> >
> >> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I haven't
> >
> >> received any emails in weeks.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Amani
> >
> >>
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >
> >> From: Felvtalk [  mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On
> >> Behalf
> >
> >> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> >
> >> Sent: December-26-17 9:49 PM
> >
> >> To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
> >
> >> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
> >
> >> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
> >
> >> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
> >
> >> couple of weeks??
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
> >
> >> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where
> >> near
> >
> >> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
> >
> >> adopters...
> >
> >> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't
> >
> >> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
> >
> >> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and
> >
> >> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of
> >> FIV's
> >
> >> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
> >
> >> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...
> >
> >> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
> >
> >> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
> >
> >> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
> >
> >> QUESTION:
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> ?---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >> -
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Message: 1
> >
> >>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
> >
> >>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
> >
> >>> [Felvtalk] Question
> >
> >>> Message-ID:
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
> >
> >>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
> >
> >>> arsenal to combat it.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Amani
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >
> >> Felvtalk mailing list
> >
> >>   Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >
> >>
> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >
> >>
> >
> >> ------------------------------
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Message: 3
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:33:47 -0500
> >
> >> From: Lorrie To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
> >
> >> Message-ID: <  20171227143347.GA816 at lnx12.netgear.com>
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
> >
> >> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the
> >> average
> >
> >> person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of FIV.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Lorrie
> >
> >>
> >
> >> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
> >
> >>> Hi Bob
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
> >
> >>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
> >>> haven't
> >
> >>> received any emails in weeks.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Amani
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> ------------------------------
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Message: 4
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 8:41:54 -0600
> >
> >> From: To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org,   felinerescue at frontier.com
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
> >
> >> Message-ID: <  20171227094154.PXG7R.4017.root at pamxwww01-z01>
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> >>
> >
> >> tHE ONLY PROBLEM MY GUYS HAVE IS BOREDOM.  iT HAS BEEN COLD, SNOWY
> >> AND
> >
> >> WINDY.  HARLEY WHO USUALLY GOES OUT NO MATTER WHAT JUST GOES TO THE
> >
> >> DOOR, THE WIND HITS HIM AND HE BACKS UP.  WE HAVE LOTS OF AMAZON
> >
> >> BOXES, TUNNELS AND A LIGHT TO CHASE.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> ---- Lorrie  wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
> >
> >>> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the
> >
> >>> average person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of
> >
> >>> FIV.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Lorrie
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
> >
> >>>> Hi Bob
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >>>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
> >
> >>>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
> >
> >>>> haven't received any emails in weeks.
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >>>> Amani
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >
> >>> Felvtalk mailing list
> >
> >>>   Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or
> >
> >>> g
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> ------------------------------
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Message: 5
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:04:15 -0600
> >
> >> From: Jennifer Olson To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >
> >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Merry Christmas & Happy Anniversary wishes
> >
> >> Message-ID:
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >>
> >
> >> December 22nd marked the beginning of our 2nd yr with Figaro in our
> >
> >> lives.
> >
> >> He is healthy, but a bit heavy- the kind of weight gain common after
> >
> >> being neutered. Have yet to get him integrated into the clan, so each
> >
> >> of us "bipedals" lavish Figaro with various kinds of attention... of
> >
> >> course I'M the "Mama" so Figaro and I do lots of grooming & cuddling!
> >
> >> Much admiration goes out to all of you, whose loving strength
> >> enriches
> >
> >> the lives of precious fur-babies, for as long as we are able!
> >
> >> Jen
> >
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> >> Message: 6
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:31:09 +0000
> >
> >> From:   wlrd2012 at xplornet.com
> >
> >> To:   Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >
> >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Unsubscribe me please
> >
> >> Message-ID: <  2f6e2f65839af651b4e346d68d257736 at xplornet.com>
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Please unsubscribe me.  Thank you.
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> >> Message: 7
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> >> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:55 -0500 (EST)
> >
> >> From: Sandy To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >
> >> Subject: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails
> >
> >> Message-ID: <  1042579679.26184.1519250515437 at connect.xfinity.com>
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November
> >> 2017.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Sandy W
> >
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> >> Message: 8
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:28:44 -0500
> >
> >> From: Lorrie To: Sandy ,   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails
> >
> >> Message-ID: <  20180221232844.GA885 at lnx12.netgear.com>
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Hi Sandy, I noticed the total lack of messages...... Hopefully this
> >
> >> means none of us are having any problems with our cats at this time.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Lorrie
> >
> >>
> >
> >> On 02-21, Sandy wrote:
> >
> >>> Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November
> >
> >>> 2017.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Sandy W
> >
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >
> >>> Felvtalk mailing list
> >
> >>>   Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or
> >
> >>> g
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> ------------------------------
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Subject: Digest Footer
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> >>
> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> ------------------------------
> >
> >>
> >
> >> End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
> >
> >> ***************************************
> >
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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> >
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> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
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> >
>
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From Sheila.Armstrong-Brown at ssa.gov  Mon Feb 26 08:56:48 2018
From: Sheila.Armstrong-Brown at ssa.gov (Armstrong-Brown, Sheila   DDS Timonium)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:56:48 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all
In-Reply-To: <CA+-nMsuTA1sXR2QFLebTpebAX_wrAYNQp0_SROqe2gqtHvmm9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.73.1519397664.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
	<2dc94231.e887.161c4702397.Webtop.37@optonline.net>
	<CA+-nMsuTA1sXR2QFLebTpebAX_wrAYNQp0_SROqe2gqtHvmm9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e36c11fea7e417786d977520d49e947@NSC-DAG4-04.ba.ad.ssa.gov>

Hello.  Has anyone heard of our FelV cats and cancer patients not allowed to be around one another?   My felv cat Skylar has been with me 2 years and my nephew moved in who has cancer, I was unsure if they should be sleeping with each other.  Thanks for any information.


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:16 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

Thank you Bob :).  I will try to post some pictures sometime of the crew :).
A friend had a kitty who had chronic diarrhea and nothing worked.  They found it was an autoimmune disease that was treated with B12 shots, prednisone, and hydrolyzed protein.  He was on this plan for a few months and has been diarrhea free for several years now.  He is also off the hydrolyzed protein food too.  His stool is still softer than other cats but no diarrhea.   I am extremely familiar with cats not eating food additives and special foods that are supposed to help them.  My vet now says, "with any other cat we would do ____, but this is Becca so will attempt____.






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From thyme2sail at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 09:40:34 2018
From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:40:34 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all
In-Reply-To: <3e36c11fea7e417786d977520d49e947@NSC-DAG4-04.ba.ad.ssa.gov>
References: <mailman.73.1519397664.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
	<2dc94231.e887.161c4702397.Webtop.37@optonline.net>
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Good morning, I have heard that FeLv+ are not concern to any other species
including us, so your nephew is safe with your kitty :-D.

~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~

*Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick*


On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium <
Sheila.Armstrong-Brown at ssa.gov> wrote:

> Hello.  Has anyone heard of our FelV cats and cancer patients not allowed
> to be around one another?   My felv cat Skylar has been with me 2 years and
> my nephew moved in who has cancer, I was unsure if they should be sleeping
> with each other.  Thanks for any information.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Pam Doore
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 5:16 PM
> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all
>
>
>
> Thank you Bob :).  I will try to post some pictures sometime of the crew
> :).
>
> A friend had a kitty who had chronic diarrhea and nothing worked.  They
> found it was an autoimmune disease that was treated with B12 shots,
> prednisone, and hydrolyzed protein.  He was on this plan for a few months
> and has been diarrhea free for several years now.  He is also off the
> hydrolyzed protein food too.  His stool is still softer than other cats but
> no diarrhea.   I am extremely familiar with cats not eating food additives
> and special foods that are supposed to help them.  My vet now says, "with
> any other cat we would do ____, but this is Becca so will attempt____.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Mon Feb 26 12:34:41 2018
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:34:41 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
In-Reply-To: <CA+-nMsuct=sVpPCOxg5v4B73r=7roNzWgL_1_mcz658b2VB8zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.65.1519356097.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
	<6af95714.edbb.161c6428316.Webtop.44@optonline.net>
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Message-ID: <E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE30167063B01@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local>

No ? it depends on the parasite load.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: February-26-18 5:49 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

Amani, will roundworms aways show up in a fecal?

~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~

Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? St. Patrick

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Bob

Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the lungs.  During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase, so using both might also assist.

I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn?t figure out how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However, unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I couldn?t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn?t exposed to any new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline.

Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, and did a bit of research.

So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if that leads to any improvement.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the ? runs?....
 I?m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my boy won?t eat his food with this foul tasting abx..... I?m reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly.... After a couple of weeks if I can?t get him to a full dose it?s time to change course.... He?s 15 years old and he can?t afford to lose weight or get dehydrated....  He?s a foster who was ? supposed? to be back with his owner well before now....but.... it looks to me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement....


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> From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
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> *Hi Bob and all,  *
>
>
> *I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions
> about not seeing posts.*
>
>
> *I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a
> month
> later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a
> 6+-year-old
> boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the
> southern
> tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is also Tommy.  I took
> home a
> FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have a
> home
> and lots of love for whatever time he has.  He is playing, eating, and
> giving lots of love and demanding lots of love!  He is living in my
> Master
> suit while he is being vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his
> Sunny
> and Tommy who are super eager to meet him :).   *
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
>
>> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided
>> to
>> unsubscribe....
>>
>> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few
>> months
>> ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+
>> for a
>> few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting,
>> mercifully, so
>> far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of
>> the
>> bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their
>> exposure....
>> Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this
>> cutie....
>> unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy
>> in
>> isolation here at our shelter..... He needs company....
>>
>> Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing
>> pretty
>> well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on
>> life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... Jerry is
>> still
>> suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to
>> control
>> it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.....
>>
>> Bob in Warwick NY
>>
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> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest,
> Vol 44, Issue 1
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> Hi Bob,
>
> If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an
> extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They
> used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they
> used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small amount
> of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then get
> him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was given to babies who had
> life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else worked.
>
> I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something
> like a parasite causing it? Not sure....just trying to help ?
>
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf
> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
>
>
> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided
> to unsubscribe....
>
>
> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few
> months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any
> FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting,
> mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest
> and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they
> had their exposure....  Think we might already have a place that will
> give a home to this cutie.... unfortunately not a family... but better
> than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter..... He
> needs company....
>
>
> Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing
> pretty well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new
> lease on life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER....
> Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking
> for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have
> failed so far.....
>
>
> Bob in Warwick NY
>
>
>
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>>    2. Re: FIV (Amani Oakley)
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>>    3. Re: FIV (Lorrie)
>
>>    4. Re: FIV (  dlgegg at windstream.net<mailto:dlgegg at windstream.net>)
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>> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:48:56 -0500 (EST)
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>> From: ROBERT CHAPEL To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>> Message-ID: <  153d54b2.3346.16095df6e39.Webtop.34 at optonline.net<mailto:153d54b2.3346.16095df6e39.Webtop.34 at optonline.net>>
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>
>> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
>
>> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
>
>> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
>
>> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
>
>> couple of weeks??
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
>
>> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where
>> near
>
>> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
>
>> adopters...
>
>> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't
>
>> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
>
>> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and
>
>> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of
>> FIV's
>
>> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
>
>> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...
>
>> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
>
>> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
>
>> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
>
>> QUESTION:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>> ?---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>> -
>
>>>
>
>>> Message: 1
>
>>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
>
>>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>" Subject: Re:
>
>>> [Felvtalk] Question
>
>>> Message-ID:
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>>>
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>>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
>
>>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
>
>>> arsenal to combat it.
>
>>>
>
>>> Amani
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 2
>
>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 04:07:39 +0000
>
>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>" Subject: Re:
>
>> [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>> Message-ID:
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>>
>
>> Hi Bob
>
>>
>
>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>
>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I haven't
>
>> received any emails in weeks.
>
>>
>
>> Amani
>
>>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Felvtalk [  mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org>] On
>> Behalf
>
>> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>
>> Sent: December-26-17 9:49 PM
>
>> To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>>
>
>> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
>
>> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
>
>> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
>
>> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
>
>> couple of weeks??
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
>
>> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where
>> near
>
>> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
>
>> adopters...
>
>> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't
>
>> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
>
>> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and
>
>> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of
>> FIV's
>
>> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
>
>> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...
>
>> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
>
>> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
>
>> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
>
>> QUESTION:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>> ?---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>> -
>
>>>
>
>>> Message: 1
>
>>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
>
>>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>" Subject: Re:
>
>>> [Felvtalk] Question
>
>>> Message-ID:
>
>>>
>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>>>
>
>>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
>
>>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
>
>>> arsenal to combat it.
>
>>>
>
>>> Amani
>
>>
>
>>
>
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>> Message: 3
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>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:33:47 -0500
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>> From: Lorrie To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>> Message-ID: <  20171227143347.GA816 at lnx12.netgear.com<mailto:20171227143347.GA816 at lnx12.netgear.com>>
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>>
>
>>
>
>> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
>
>> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
>
>>
>
>> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
>
>>
>
>> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the
>> average
>
>> person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of FIV.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Lorrie
>
>>
>
>> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
>
>>> Hi Bob
>
>>>
>
>>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>
>>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
>>> haven't
>
>>> received any emails in weeks.
>
>>>
>
>>> Amani
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
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>>
>
>> Message: 4
>
>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 8:41:54 -0600
>
>> From: To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>,   felinerescue at frontier.com<mailto:felinerescue at frontier.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>> Message-ID: <  20171227094154.PXG7R.4017.root at pamxwww01-z01<mailto:20171227094154.PXG7R.4017.root at pamxwww01-z01>>
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>>
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>> tHE ONLY PROBLEM MY GUYS HAVE IS BOREDOM.  iT HAS BEEN COLD, SNOWY
>> AND
>
>> WINDY.  HARLEY WHO USUALLY GOES OUT NO MATTER WHAT JUST GOES TO THE
>
>> DOOR, THE WIND HITS HIM AND HE BACKS UP.  WE HAVE LOTS OF AMAZON
>
>> BOXES, TUNNELS AND A LIGHT TO CHASE.
>
>>
>
>> ---- Lorrie  wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
>
>>> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
>
>>>
>
>>> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
>
>>>
>
>>> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the
>
>>> average person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of
>
>>> FIV.
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> Lorrie
>
>>>
>
>>> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
>
>>>> Hi Bob
>
>>>>
>
>>>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>
>>>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
>
>>>> haven't received any emails in weeks.
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Amani
>
>>>
>
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>> Message: 5
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>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:04:15 -0600
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>> From: Jennifer Olson To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
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>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Merry Christmas & Happy Anniversary wishes
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>> December 22nd marked the beginning of our 2nd yr with Figaro in our
>
>> lives.
>
>> He is healthy, but a bit heavy- the kind of weight gain common after
>
>> being neutered. Have yet to get him integrated into the clan, so each
>
>> of us "bipedals" lavish Figaro with various kinds of attention... of
>
>> course I'M the "Mama" so Figaro and I do lots of grooming & cuddling!
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>> Much admiration goes out to all of you, whose loving strength
>> enriches
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>> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:55 -0500 (EST)
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>> From: Sandy To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
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>> Subject: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails
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>> Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November
>> 2017.
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>> From: Lorrie To: Sandy ,   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails
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>> Hi Sandy, I noticed the total lack of messages...... Hopefully this
>
>> means none of us are having any problems with our cats at this time.
>
>>
>
>> Lorrie
>
>>
>
>> On 02-21, Sandy wrote:
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>>> Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November
>
>>> 2017.
>
>>>
>
>>> Sandy W
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I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH PERPHERIAL T CELL CANCER IN 2000, HAD 10 CATS, 4 WITH LEUKEMIA.  TREATMENTS  DID NOT WORK, BUT WENT INTO REMISSION 1 YEAR LATER.  NEITHER THE CATS OR I SUFFERED.  THE FELV CATS DIED OF OLD AGE AND AT 77 I AM STILL AROUND DESPITE DIABETES AND AORTIC VALVE REPLACEMENT. SO I WOULD SAY NEITHER DISEASE HURTS THE OTHER.  I CLEANED THE LITER BOXES, FED AND SLEPT WITH MY CATS.
----- Original Message -----
From: Pam Doore <thyme2sail at gmail.com>
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:40:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

Good morning, I have heard that FeLv+ are not concern to any other species including us, so your nephew is safe with your kitty :-D.
~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~
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On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium <Sheila.Armstrong-Brown at ssa.gov> wrote:
Hello.  Has anyone heard of our FelV cats and cancer patients not allowed to be around one another?   My felv cat Skylar has been with me 2 years and my nephew
 moved in who has cancer, I was unsure if they should be sleeping with each other.  Thanks for any information. 
  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:16 PM
To:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all Thank you Bob :).  I will try to post some pictures sometime of the crew :). 
A friend had a kitty who had chronic diarrhea and nothing worked.  They found it was an autoimmune disease that was treated with B12 shots, prednisone, and hydrolyzed protein.  He was on this plan for a few
 months and has been diarrhea free for several years now.  He is also off the hydrolyzed protein food too.  His stool is still softer than other cats but no diarrhea.   I am extremely familiar with cats not eating food additives and special foods that are supposed
 to help them.  My vet now says, "with any other cat we would do ____, but this is Becca so will attempt____. 




  
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From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:37:52 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
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Thank you!

On Feb 26, 2018 1:35 PM, "Amani Oakley" <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:

> No ? it depends on the parasite load.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Pam Doore
> *Sent:* February-26-18 5:49 AM
> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
>
>
>
> Amani, will roundworms aways show up in a fecal?
>
>
> ~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~
>
>
> *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. **?** St. Patrick*
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
> wrote:
>
> Bob
>
> Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should
> have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which
> move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the
> lungs.  During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the
> lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the
> immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the
> intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms
> in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the
> Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their
> various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase,
> so using both might also assist.
>
> I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a
> year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of
> stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the
> vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn?t figure out
> how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was
> just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was
> strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could
> figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally
> understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her
> sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and
> saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However,
> unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the
> immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through
> mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first
> place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway,
> the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while
> nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I
> couldn?t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn?t exposed to any
> new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough
> and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and
> no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline.
>
> Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit,
> and did a bit of research.
>
> So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if
> that leads to any improvement.
>
> Amani
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
>
> Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the ? runs?....
>  I?m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the
> shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original
> recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and
> aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my
> boy won?t eat his food with this foul tasting abx..... I?m reintroducing
> it..now.. but VERY slowly.... After a couple of weeks if I can?t get him to
> a full dose it?s time to change course.... He?s 15 years old and he can?t
> afford to lose weight or get dehydrated....  He?s a foster who was ?
> supposed? to be back with his owner well before now....but.... it looks to
> me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement....
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org
> wrote:
>
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> > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Pam Doore)
> >    2. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Ardy Robertson)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:49:03 -0500
> > From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
> > Message-ID:
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > *Hi Bob and all,  *
> >
> >
> > *I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions
> > about not seeing posts.*
> >
> >
> > *I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a
> > month
> > later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a
> > 6+-year-old
> > boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the
> > southern
> > tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is also Tommy.  I took
> > home a
> > FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have a
> > home
> > and lots of love for whatever time he has.  He is playing, eating, and
> > giving lots of love and demanding lots of love!  He is living in my
> > Master
> > suit while he is being vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his
> > Sunny
> > and Tommy who are super eager to meet him :).   *
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
> >
> >> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided
> >> to
> >> unsubscribe....
> >>
> >> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few
> >> months
> >> ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+
> >> for a
> >> few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting,
> >> mercifully, so
> >> far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of
> >> the
> >> bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their
> >> exposure....
> >> Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this
> >> cutie....
> >> unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy
> >> in
> >> isolation here at our shelter..... He needs company....
> >>
> >> Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing
> >> pretty
> >> well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on
> >> life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... Jerry is
> >> still
> >> suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to
> >> control
> >> it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.....
> >>
> >> Bob in Warwick NY
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:21:24 -0600
> > From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest,
> > Vol 44, Issue 1
> > Message-ID: <000a01d3ac55$63570000$2a050000$@centurytel.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi Bob,
> >
> > If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an
> > extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They
> > used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they
> > used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small amount
> > of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then get
> > him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was given to babies who had
> > life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else worked.
> >
> > I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something
> > like a parasite causing it? Not sure....just trying to help ?
> >
> >
> > Ardy
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> > Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM
> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
> >
> >
> > Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided
> > to unsubscribe....
> >
> >
> > Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few
> > months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any
> > FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting,
> > mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest
> > and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they
> > had their exposure....  Think we might already have a place that will
> > give a home to this cutie.... unfortunately not a family... but better
> > than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter..... He
> > needs company....
> >
> >
> > Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing
> > pretty well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new
> > lease on life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER....
> > Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking
> > for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have
> > failed so far.....
> >
> >
> > Bob in Warwick NY
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 06:28 PM,
> > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to
> >
> >>               felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >
> >>
> >
> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >
> >>
> >
> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >
> >>               felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org
> >
> >>
> >
> >> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >
> >>               felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org
> >
> >>
> >
> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >
> >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..."
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Today's Topics:
> >
> >>
> >
> >>    1. Re: FIV (ROBERT CHAPEL)
> >
> >>    2. Re: FIV (Amani Oakley)
> >
> >>    3. Re: FIV (Lorrie)
> >
> >>    4. Re: FIV (  dlgegg at windstream.net)
> >
> >>    5. Merry Christmas & Happy Anniversary wishes (Jennifer Olson)
> >
> >>    6. Unsubscribe me please (  wlrd2012 at xplornet.com)
> >
> >>    7. not receiving e-mails (Sandy)
> >
> >>    8. Re: not receiving e-mails (Lorrie)
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Message: 1
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:48:56 -0500 (EST)
> >
> >> From: ROBERT CHAPEL To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
> >
> >> Message-ID: <  153d54b2.3346.16095df6e39.Webtop.34 at optonline.net>
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
> >
> >> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
> >
> >> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
> >
> >> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
> >
> >> couple of weeks??
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
> >
> >> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where
> >> near
> >
> >> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
> >
> >> adopters...
> >
> >> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't
> >
> >> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
> >
> >> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and
> >
> >> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of
> >> FIV's
> >
> >> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
> >
> >> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...
> >
> >> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
> >
> >> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
> >
> >> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
> >
> >> QUESTION:
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> ?---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >> -
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Message: 1
> >
> >>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
> >
> >>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
> >
> >>> [Felvtalk] Question
> >
> >>> Message-ID:
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
> >
> >>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
> >
> >>> arsenal to combat it.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Amani
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> ------------------------------
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Message: 2
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 04:07:39 +0000
> >
> >> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
> >
> >> [Felvtalk] FIV
> >
> >> Message-ID:
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Hi Bob
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
> >
> >> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I haven't
> >
> >> received any emails in weeks.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Amani
> >
> >>
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >
> >> From: Felvtalk [  mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On
> >> Behalf
> >
> >> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> >
> >> Sent: December-26-17 9:49 PM
> >
> >> To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
> >
> >> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
> >
> >> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
> >
> >> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
> >
> >> couple of weeks??
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
> >
> >> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where
> >> near
> >
> >> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
> >
> >> adopters...
> >
> >> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't
> >
> >> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
> >
> >> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and
> >
> >> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of
> >> FIV's
> >
> >> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
> >
> >> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...
> >
> >> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
> >
> >> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
> >
> >> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
> >
> >> QUESTION:
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> ?---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >> -
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Message: 1
> >
> >>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
> >
> >>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
> >
> >>> [Felvtalk] Question
> >
> >>> Message-ID:
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
> >
> >>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
> >
> >>> arsenal to combat it.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Amani
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >
> >> Felvtalk mailing list
> >
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> >
> >>
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> >
> >>
> >
> >> ------------------------------
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Message: 3
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:33:47 -0500
> >
> >> From: Lorrie To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
> >
> >> Message-ID: <  20171227143347.GA816 at lnx12.netgear.com>
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
> >
> >> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the
> >> average
> >
> >> person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of FIV.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Lorrie
> >
> >>
> >
> >> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
> >
> >>> Hi Bob
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
> >
> >>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
> >>> haven't
> >
> >>> received any emails in weeks.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Amani
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> ------------------------------
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Message: 4
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 8:41:54 -0600
> >
> >> From: To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org,   felinerescue at frontier.com
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
> >
> >> Message-ID: <  20171227094154.PXG7R.4017.root at pamxwww01-z01>
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> >>
> >
> >> tHE ONLY PROBLEM MY GUYS HAVE IS BOREDOM.  iT HAS BEEN COLD, SNOWY
> >> AND
> >
> >> WINDY.  HARLEY WHO USUALLY GOES OUT NO MATTER WHAT JUST GOES TO THE
> >
> >> DOOR, THE WIND HITS HIM AND HE BACKS UP.  WE HAVE LOTS OF AMAZON
> >
> >> BOXES, TUNNELS AND A LIGHT TO CHASE.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> ---- Lorrie  wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
> >
> >>> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the
> >
> >>> average person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of
> >
> >>> FIV.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Lorrie
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
> >
> >>>> Hi Bob
> >
> >>>>
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> >
> >> being neutered. Have yet to get him integrated into the clan, so each
> >
> >> of us "bipedals" lavish Figaro with various kinds of attention... of
> >
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> >
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From bchapel at optonline.net  Mon Feb 26 13:57:32 2018
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:57:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea..
In-Reply-To: <mailman.103.1519673887.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
References: <mailman.103.1519673887.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
Message-ID: <71cc76c1.10a91.161d3b110ac.Webtop.58@optonline.net>

Thank you all for the ideas on treating Diarrhea... A few I recall 
reading about when I first got Jerry but several are brand new.... ? 
Bentonite and Pectin are seemingly benign enough and easily enough 
obtainable to add to his regimen.... ? Roundworm Larval stages are 
CERTAINLY not something I would have stumbled upon without Amani?s 
suggestion and worth serious consideration given that he does have poor 
hair growth and was vomiting some weeks ago ( it has abated in recent 
weeks) Problem is, as well, that ?the shelter has limited funds and does 
not ?really? want to invest too much in a 15 y r old cat that isn?t that 
ill( yet)... and , for whom, so many things can be attributed to ? old 
age? ( as though somehow old age is itself a disease and treatment 
serves no real purpose).... No creature dies ?of OLD age...systems break 
down and need repair or bolstering.......just a LOT more frequently than 
in most young creatures...... so, as I?ve done in the past.. I will 
likely embark on some sane interventions on my own and see where they 
lead.... I?ve got a lot of ideas now...
-bob


On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 02:38 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org 
wrote:

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> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:35:00 -0500 (EST)
> From: "dlgegg at windstream.net" To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all
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> I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH PERPHERIAL T CELL CANCER IN 2000, HAD 10 CATS, 4 
> WITH LEUKEMIA.  TREATMENTS  DID NOT WORK, BUT WENT INTO REMISSION 1 
> YEAR LATER.  NEITHER THE CATS OR I SUFFERED.  THE FELV CATS DIED OF 
> OLD AGE AND AT 77 I AM STILL AROUND DESPITE DIABETES AND AORTIC VALVE 
> REPLACEMENT. SO I WOULD SAY NEITHER DISEASE HURTS THE OTHER.  I 
> CLEANED THE LITER BOXES, FED AND SLEPT WITH MY CATS.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:40:34 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all
>
> Good morning, I have heard that FeLv+ are not concern to any other 
> species including us, so your nephew is safe with your kitty :-D.
> ~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~
> Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within 
> me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? St. Patrick
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
> wrote:
> Hello.  Has anyone heard of our FelV cats and cancer patients not 
> allowed to be around one another?   My felv cat Skylar has been with 
> me 2 years and my nephew
>  moved in who has cancer, I was unsure if they should be sleeping with 
> each other.  Thanks for any information.   From: Felvtalk 
> [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org]
> On Behalf Of Pam Doore
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:16 PM
> To:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all Thank you Bob :).  I will 
> try to post some pictures sometime of the crew :). A friend had a 
> kitty who had chronic diarrhea and nothing worked.  They found it was 
> an autoimmune disease that was treated with B12 shots, prednisone, and 
> hydrolyzed protein.  He was on this plan for a few
>  months and has been diarrhea free for several years now.  He is also 
> off the hydrolyzed protein food too.  His stool is still softer than 
> other cats but no diarrhea.   I am extremely familiar with cats not 
> eating food additives and special foods that are supposed
>  to help them.  My vet now says, "with any other cat we would do ____, 
> but this is Becca so will attempt____.
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> From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
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> Thank you!
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> On Feb 26, 2018 1:35 PM, "Amani Oakley"  wrote:
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>> No ? it depends on the parasite load.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On 
>> Behalf
>> Of *Pam Doore
>> *Sent:* February-26-18 5:49 AM
>> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani, will roundworms aways show up in a fecal?
>>
>>
>> ~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~
>>
>>
>> *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within 
>> me,
>> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. **?** St. Patrick*
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I 
>> should
>> have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, 
>> which
>> move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into 
>> the
>> lungs.  During the migration of the immature phase, they move into 
>> the
>> lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the
>> immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the
>> intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature 
>> roundworms
>> in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use 
>> the
>> Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in 
>> their
>> various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature 
>> phase,
>> so using both might also assist.
>>
>> I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than 
>> a
>> year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of
>> stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning 
>> up the
>> vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn?t figure 
>> out
>> how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she 
>> was
>> just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She 
>> was
>> strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I 
>> could
>> figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and 
>> finally
>> understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. 
>> Her
>> sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with 
>> Revolution and
>> saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. 
>> However,
>> unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the
>> immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through
>> mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the 
>> first
>> place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. 
>> Anyway,
>> the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick 
>> while
>> nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and 
>> again, I
>> couldn?t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn?t exposed 
>> to any
>> new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking 
>> cough
>> and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would 
>> help, and
>> no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline.
>>
>> Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's 
>> vomit,
>> and did a bit of research.
>>
>> So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and 
>> see if
>> that leads to any improvement.
>>
>> Amani
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> ROBERT CHAPEL
>> Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
>>
>> Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the ? 
>> runs?....
>>  I?m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the
>> shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original
>> recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and
>> aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account 
>> that my
>> boy won?t eat his food with this foul tasting abx..... I?m 
>> reintroducing
>> it..now.. but VERY slowly.... After a couple of weeks if I can?t get 
>> him to
>> a full dose it?s time to change course.... He?s 15 years old and he 
>> can?t
>> afford to lose weight or get dehydrated....  He?s a foster who was ?
>> supposed? to be back with his owner well before now....but.... it 
>> looks to
>> me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement....
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org
>> wrote:
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:49:03 -0500
>>> From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
>>> Message-ID:
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>>>
>>> *Hi Bob and all,  *
>>>
>>>
>>> *I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions
>>> about not seeing posts.*
>>>
>>>
>>> *I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a
>>> month
>>> later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a
>>> 6+-year-old
>>> boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the
>>> southern
>>> tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is also Tommy.  I took
>>> home a
>>> FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have 
>>> a
>>> home
>>> and lots of love for whatever time he has.  He is playing, eating, 
>>> and
>>> giving lots of love and demanding lots of love!  He is living in my
>>> Master
>>> suit while he is being vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his
>>> Sunny
>>> and Tommy who are super eager to meet him :).   *
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
>>>
>>>> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone 
>>>> decided
>>>> to
>>>> unsubscribe....
>>>>
>>>> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few
>>>> months
>>>> ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any 
>>>> FELV+
>>>> for a
>>>> few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting,
>>>> mercifully, so
>>>> far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest 
>>>> of
>>>> the
>>>> bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their
>>>> exposure....
>>>> Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this
>>>> cutie....
>>>> unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy
>>>> in
>>>> isolation here at our shelter..... He needs company....
>>>>
>>>> Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing
>>>> pretty
>>>> well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease 
>>>> on
>>>> life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... Jerry is
>>>> still
>>>> suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to
>>>> control
>>>> it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so 
>>>> far.....
>>>>
>>>> Bob in Warwick NY
>>>>
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>>> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest,
>>> Vol 44, Issue 1
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>>> Hi Bob,
>>>
>>> If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an
>>> extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. 
>>> They
>>> used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think 
>>> they
>>> used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small 
>>> amount
>>> of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then 
>>> get
>>> him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was given to babies who 
>>> had
>>> life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else worked.
>>>
>>> I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something
>>> like a parasite causing it? Not sure....just trying to help ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Ardy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM
>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
>>>
>>>
>>> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided
>>> to unsubscribe....
>>>
>>>
>>> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few
>>> months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received 
>>> any
>>> FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon 
>>> retesting,
>>> mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the 
>>> youngest
>>> and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when 
>>> they
>>> had their exposure....  Think we might already have a place that 
>>> will
>>> give a home to this cutie.... unfortunately not a family... but 
>>> better
>>> than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter..... He
>>> needs company....
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing
>>> pretty well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new
>>> lease on life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER....
>>> Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still 
>>> looking
>>> for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions 
>>> have
>>> failed so far.....
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob in Warwick NY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 06:28 PM,
>>> felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org
>>>
>>> wrote:
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>>>
>>>> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to
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>>>>    1. Re: FIV (ROBERT CHAPEL)
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>>    4. Re: FIV (  dlgegg at windstream.net)
>>>
>>>>    5. Merry Christmas & Happy Anniversary wishes (Jennifer Olson)
>>>
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>>>> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:48:56 -0500 (EST)
>>>
>>>> From: ROBERT CHAPEL To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>>>
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>>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
>>>
>>>> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
>>>
>>>> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
>>>
>>>> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
>>>
>>>> couple of weeks??
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
>>>
>>>> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where
>>>> near
>>>
>>>> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
>>>
>>>> adopters...
>>>
>>>> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes 
>>>> don't
>>>
>>>> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
>>>
>>>> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years 
>>>> and
>>>
>>>> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of
>>>> FIV's
>>>
>>>> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
>>>
>>>> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents 
>>>> died)...
>>>
>>>> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
>>>
>>>> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
>>>
>>>> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
>>>
>>>> QUESTION:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> ?---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>> -
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>
>>>>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
>>>
>>>>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: 
>>>>> Re:
>>>
>>>>> [Felvtalk] Question
>>>
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
>>>
>>>>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
>>>
>>>>> arsenal to combat it.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Amani
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 04:07:39 +0000
>>>
>>>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
>>>
>>>> [Felvtalk] FIV
>>>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Bob
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>>>
>>>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I 
>>>> haven't
>>>
>>>> received any emails in weeks.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Amani
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>> From: Felvtalk [  mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>
>>>> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>>>
>>>> Sent: December-26-17 9:49 PM
>>>
>>>> To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
>>>
>>>> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
>>>
>>>> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
>>>
>>>> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
>>>
>>>> couple of weeks??
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
>>>
>>>> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where
>>>> near
>>>
>>>> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
>>>
>>>> adopters...
>>>
>>>> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes 
>>>> don't
>>>
>>>> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
>>>
>>>> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years 
>>>> and
>>>
>>>> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of
>>>> FIV's
>>>
>>>> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
>>>
>>>> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents 
>>>> died)...
>>>
>>>> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
>>>
>>>> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
>>>
>>>> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
>>>
>>>> QUESTION:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> ?---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>> -
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>
>>>>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
>>>
>>>>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: 
>>>>> Re:
>>>
>>>>> [Felvtalk] Question
>>>
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
>>>
>>>>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
>>>
>>>>> arsenal to combat it.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Amani
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>> Felvtalk mailing list
>>>
>>>>   Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:33:47 -0500
>>>
>>>> From: Lorrie To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>>>
>>>> Message-ID: <  20171227143347.GA816 at lnx12.netgear.com>
>>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
>>>
>>>> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the
>>>> average
>>>
>>>> person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of FIV.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Lorrie
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Hi Bob
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>>>
>>>>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
>>>>> haven't
>>>
>>>>> received any emails in weeks.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Amani
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 8:41:54 -0600
>>>
>>>> From: To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org, 
>>>> felinerescue at frontier.com
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>>>
>>>> Message-ID: <  20171227094154.PXG7R.4017.root at pamxwww01-z01>
>>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> tHE ONLY PROBLEM MY GUYS HAVE IS BOREDOM.  iT HAS BEEN COLD, SNOWY
>>>> AND
>>>
>>>> WINDY.  HARLEY WHO USUALLY GOES OUT NO MATTER WHAT JUST GOES TO THE
>>>
>>>> DOOR, THE WIND HITS HIM AND HE BACKS UP.  WE HAVE LOTS OF AMAZON
>>>
>>>> BOXES, TUNNELS AND A LIGHT TO CHASE.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> ---- Lorrie  wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
>>>
>>>>> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the
>>>
>>>>> average person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of
>>>
>>>>> FIV.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Lorrie
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Hi Bob
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>>>
>>>>>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
>>>
>>>>>> haven't received any emails in weeks.
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Amani
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>>> Felvtalk mailing list
>>>
>>>>>   Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or
>>>
>>>>> g
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Message: 5
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:04:15 -0600
>>>
>>>> From: Jennifer Olson To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>
>>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Merry Christmas & Happy Anniversary wishes
>>>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> December 22nd marked the beginning of our 2nd yr with Figaro in our
>>>
>>>> lives.
>>>
>>>> He is healthy, but a bit heavy- the kind of weight gain common 
>>>> after
>>>
>>>> being neutered. Have yet to get him integrated into the clan, so 
>>>> each
>>>
>>>> of us "bipedals" lavish Figaro with various kinds of attention... 
>>>> of
>>>
>>>> course I'M the "Mama" so Figaro and I do lots of grooming & 
>>>> cuddling!
>>>
>>>> Much admiration goes out to all of you, whose loving strength
>>>> enriches
>>>
>>>> the lives of precious fur-babies, for as long as we are able!
>>>
>>>> Jen
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>>>> Message: 6
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:31:09 +0000
>>>
>>>> From:   wlrd2012 at xplornet.com
>>>
>>>> To:   Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>
>>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Unsubscribe me please
>>>
>>>> Message-ID: <  2f6e2f65839af651b4e346d68d257736 at xplornet.com>
>>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>>> Message: 7
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:55 -0500 (EST)
>>>
>>>> From: Sandy To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>
>>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails
>>>
>>>> Message-ID: <  1042579679.26184.1519250515437 at connect.xfinity.com>
>>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November
>>>> 2017.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Sandy W
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>>>> Message: 8
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:28:44 -0500
>>>
>>>> From: Lorrie To: Sandy ,   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails
>>>
>>>> Message-ID: <  20180221232844.GA885 at lnx12.netgear.com>
>>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Sandy, I noticed the total lack of messages...... Hopefully this
>>>
>>>> means none of us are having any problems with our cats at this 
>>>> time.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Lorrie
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> On 02-21, Sandy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November
>>>
>>>>> 2017.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Sandy W
>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>>> Felvtalk mailing list
>>>
>>>>>   Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or
>>>
>>>>> g
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Subject: Digest Footer
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>>>>
>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
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>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
>>>
>>>> ***************************************
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>
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From felinerescue at frontier.com  Sun Feb 25 16:39:17 2018
From: felinerescue at frontier.com (Lorrie)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2018 17:39:17 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <CA+-nMsvv4GWGoJtr4VDwyAqJFced9hm_OE2rEhQy3P8SGfh-sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.55.1519255711.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
	<1b5cbf7f.d3e8.161c085ab6e.Webtop.47@optonline.net>
	<CA+-nMsv+_jbezA2J-p2zQzn=voo9FWdzZGjw0akrPvXDXrWwFA@mail.gmail.com>
	<000f01d3ac56$79226ae0$6b6740a0$@centurytel.net>
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Message-ID: <20180225223917.GC1201@lnx12.netgear.com>

I agree, I will NOT put my cats through painful invasive proceedures,
but I see so many people in my cat groups who will do ANYTHING to
keep a cat alive, even a very old cat whose time is up.

Lorrie


On 02-23, Pam Doore wrote:
> Thank you Ardy.  I absolutely believe in supportive comfort care.  I pet
> sit and I have watched animals get so many treatments that they hide,
> cringe when you reach even to pet them.  etc.  I can't do that to my babies
> nor would I expect anyone else too.  Glad Topaz is doing well :-D.



From felinerescue at frontier.com  Sun Feb 25 16:35:33 2018
From: felinerescue at frontier.com (Lorrie)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2018 17:35:33 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
In-Reply-To: <CA+-nMsttYFEtPYzR+c7fwEKuNb8GtR3MryGAwqxVk-_Hc82dsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.65.1519356097.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
	<6af95714.edbb.161c6428316.Webtop.44@optonline.net>
	<CA+-nMsttYFEtPYzR+c7fwEKuNb8GtR3MryGAwqxVk-_Hc82dsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180225223533.GB1201@lnx12.netgear.com>

This made me wonder if he has IBD. This causes weight loss and
diarrhea. My 15 year old cat has has this.  He was diagnosed  with
this 3 years ago and is on prednisolone and B-12 shots.    Lorrie

On 02-24, Pam Doore wrote:
> Hi Bob,  My friend's cat I mentioned was a shelter cat who was treated by
> both of our vets repeatedly and nothing worked. She was fostering and
> finally gave up and took him to her own vet who saw everything that had
> been tried and had not worked and went and did very expensive blood work
> and then came up with the diagnosis the B12 prednisone and hydrolyzed
> protein food. We were both disappointed that neither of the vet practices
> that the cat had been to repeatedly and previously had never even
> considered this condition as a possibility. If she had not adopted him he
> would have been euthanized even though it's a no-kill shelter  Praise the
> Lord different leadership is at the shelter now and that is not a
> possibility anymore.
> 
> My Ally also got picky about food near the end and I definitely don't want
> to mess around with the kitty not eating and doing anything to make them
> even less inclined to eat.
> 
> It would be more expensive but if you could get the script compounded into
> a transdermal to be absorbed through the skin in the ear that would make it
> so the meds were not in the food.  I am very grateful for transdermal
> meds:-D.

> _______________________________________________
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> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org



From thyme2sail at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 17:29:46 2018
From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:29:46 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <20180225223917.GC1201@lnx12.netgear.com>
References: <mailman.55.1519255711.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
	<1b5cbf7f.d3e8.161c085ab6e.Webtop.47@optonline.net>
	<CA+-nMsv+_jbezA2J-p2zQzn=voo9FWdzZGjw0akrPvXDXrWwFA@mail.gmail.com>
	<000f01d3ac56$79226ae0$6b6740a0$@centurytel.net>
	<CA+-nMsvv4GWGoJtr4VDwyAqJFced9hm_OE2rEhQy3P8SGfh-sw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20180225223917.GC1201@lnx12.netgear.com>
Message-ID: <CA+-nMsv8C1v=r4xw+qxgdQF3tM35SthY0+W6d-tkyM5fHiFuWg@mail.gmail.com>

I have observed the same thing.  I appreciate all support to give quality
over quantity.  I did not know that my cat Trixie had lung cancer I thought
she had developed a allergy to the Christmas tree. She crossed the bridge
before majority of med was in her system. They did give her all of it.. I
ended up having her put to sleep three weeks later and the vet told me at
that point that a cat will hold on as long as possible just for the sake of
their owner.

On Feb 26, 2018 5:51 PM, "Lorrie" <felinerescue at frontier.com> wrote:

> I agree, I will NOT put my cats through painful invasive proceedures,
> but I see so many people in my cat groups who will do ANYTHING to
> keep a cat alive, even a very old cat whose time is up.
>
> Lorrie
>
>
> On 02-23, Pam Doore wrote:
> > Thank you Ardy.  I absolutely believe in supportive comfort care.  I pet
> > sit and I have watched animals get so many treatments that they hide,
> > cringe when you reach even to pet them.  etc.  I can't do that to my
> babies
> > nor would I expect anyone else too.  Glad Topaz is doing well :-D.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Felvtalk mailing list
> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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From ardyr at centurytel.net  Mon Feb 26 22:26:21 2018
From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 22:26:21 -0600
Subject: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <CA+-nMsvv4GWGoJtr4VDwyAqJFced9hm_OE2rEhQy3P8SGfh-sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.55.1519255711.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>	<1b5cbf7f.d3e8.161c085ab6e.Webtop.47@optonline.net>	<CA+-nMsv+_jbezA2J-p2zQzn=voo9FWdzZGjw0akrPvXDXrWwFA@mail.gmail.com>	<000f01d3ac56$79226ae0$6b6740a0$@centurytel.net>
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Message-ID: <008f01d3af83$1f700d10$5e502730$@centurytel.net>

Hi Pam ? actually I agree that sometimes too much care is hard on our fur-babes. Sometimes when I look back at old pictures of Tigger, I see a ?look? he had that I now realize might have been that he was sicker than I thought and maybe I should have given up sooner. I syringe fed him during his last 6 months when he would not eat on his own. Sometimes I think I tried too hard, but what I did was out of love for him, always believing we could beat his FeLV. And I know he loved us back, so if I overdid, I was forgiven I?m sure?.Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:21 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

 

Thank you Ardy.  I absolutely believe in supportive comfort care.  I pet sit and I have watched animals get so many treatments that they hide, cringe when you reach even to pet them.  etc.  I can't do that to my babies nor would I expect anyone else too.  Glad Topaz is doing well :-D. 




 

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From ardyr at centurytel.net  Mon Feb 26 22:28:38 2018
From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 22:28:38 -0600
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all
In-Reply-To: <2142910439.5527261.1519426760612.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
References: <mailman.73.1519397664.403508.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>	<2dc94231.e887.161c4702397.Webtop.37@optonline.net>	<CA+-nMsuTA1sXR2QFLebTpebAX_wrAYNQp0_SROqe2gqtHvmm9Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Didn?t know about Blue Buffalo being sold to General Mills??? will they be changing it? My Peekers eats that and I would hate to change at this point in her life??.Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:59 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

 

Special foods have never helped my cats.  getting them off grain filled foods and gmo helped the most.  Now I find that blue buffalo has sold out to general mills, will have to find another food for m guys.  Used to have vomiting and loose stools but once I got them off foods with grain, that stopped.  Only time Harley vomits is when he gulps down his food and it hits the moisture in his stomach and back up it comes.  We are switching to wet foods that are organic.  Wet foods stay down.

 

----- Original Message -----
From: Pam Doore <thyme2sail at gmail.com <mailto:thyme2sail at gmail.com> >
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> 
Sent: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:16:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

 

Thank you Bob :).  I will try to post some pictures sometime of the crew :).  

 

A friend had a kitty who had chronic diarrhea and nothing worked.  They found it was an autoimmune disease that was treated with B12 shots, prednisone, and hydrolyzed protein.  He was on this plan for a few months and has been diarrhea free for several years now.  He is also off the hydrolyzed protein food too.  His stool is still softer than other cats but no diarrhea.   I am extremely familiar with cats not eating food additives and special foods that are supposed to help them.  My vet now says, "with any other cat we would do ____, but this is Becca so will attempt____.  

 

 

 


 




 

 

 

 

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From ardyr at centurytel.net  Mon Feb 26 22:35:28 2018
From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 22:35:28 -0600
Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
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Sounds like your kitty was trying to help you figure it out Amani ?

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 3:49 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

Bob

Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the lungs.  During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase, so using both might also assist.

I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn?t figure out how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However, unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I couldn?t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn?t exposed to any new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline. 

Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, and did a bit of research. 

So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if that leads to any improvement.

Amani 

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the ? runs?.... 
 I?m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my boy won?t eat his food with this foul tasting abx..... I?m reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly.... After a couple of weeks if I can?t get him to a full dose it?s time to change course.... He?s 15 years old and he can?t afford to lose weight or get dehydrated....  He?s a foster who was ? supposed? to be back with his owner well before now....but.... it looks to me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement....


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> *Hi Bob and all,  *
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>
> *I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions 
> about not seeing posts.*
>
>
> *I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a 
> month later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a
> 6+-year-old
> boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the 
> southern
> tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is also Tommy.  I took 
> home a
> FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have a
> home
> and lots of love for whatever time he has.  He is playing, eating, and 
> giving lots of love and demanding lots of love!  He is living in my 
> Master suit while he is being vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with 
> his Sunny
> and Tommy who are super eager to meet him :).   *
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
>
>> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided 
>> to unsubscribe....
>>
>> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few 
>> months
>> ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ 
>> for a
>> few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
>> mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest 
>> and cutest of the
>> bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their 
>> exposure....
>> Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this 
>> cutie....
>> unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy 
>> in isolation here at our shelter..... He needs company....
>>
>> Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing 
>> pretty well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new 
>> lease on life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... 
>> Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still 
>> looking for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine 
>> interventions have failed so far.....
>>
>> Bob in Warwick NY
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> Hi Bob,
>
> If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an 
> extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They 
> used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they 
> used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small amount 
> of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then get 
> him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was given to babies who had 
> life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else worked.
>
> I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something 
> like a parasite causing it? Not sure....just trying to help ?
>
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
>
>
> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided 
> to unsubscribe....
>
>
> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few 
> months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any 
> FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting,
> mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest 
> and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they 
> had their exposure....  Think we might already have a place that will 
> give a home to this cutie.... unfortunately not a family... but better 
> than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter..... He 
> needs company....
>
>
> Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing 
> pretty well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new 
> lease on life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER....
> Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking 
> for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have 
> failed so far.....
>
>
> Bob in Warwick NY
>
>
>
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>> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:48:56 -0500 (EST)
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>> From: ROBERT CHAPEL To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>> Message-ID: <  153d54b2.3346.16095df6e39.Webtop.34 at optonline.net>
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no
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>>
>
>> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
>
>> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
>
>> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
>
>> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
>
>> couple of weeks??
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
>
>> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where 
>> near
>
>> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
>
>> adopters...
>
>> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't
>
>> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
>
>> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and
>
>> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of 
>> FIV's
>
>> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
>
>> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...
>
>> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
>
>> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
>
>> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
>
>> QUESTION:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 
>> ?--------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>
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>>> Message: 1
>
>>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
>
>>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
>
>>> [Felvtalk] Question
>
>>> Message-ID:
>
>>>
>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>>>
>
>>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
>
>>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
>
>>> arsenal to combat it.
>
>>>
>
>>> Amani
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 2
>
>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 04:07:39 +0000
>
>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
>
>> [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>> Message-ID:
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>>
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>>
>
>> Hi Bob
>
>>
>
>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>
>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I haven't
>
>> received any emails in weeks.
>
>>
>
>> Amani
>
>>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Felvtalk [  mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On 
>> Behalf
>
>> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>
>> Sent: December-26-17 9:49 PM
>
>> To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>>
>
>> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've
>
>> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of
>
>> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
>
>> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past
>
>> couple of weeks??
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our
>
>> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where 
>> near
>
>> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential
>
>> adopters...
>
>> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't
>
>> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the
>
>> beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years and
>
>> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of 
>> FIV's
>
>> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any
>
>> others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)...
>
>> but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?
>
>> Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an
>
>> FIV over an FeLV Kitty
>
>> QUESTION:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 
>> ?--------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -
>
>> -
>
>>>
>
>>> Message: 1
>
>>> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000
>
>>> From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
>
>>> [Felvtalk] Question
>
>>> Message-ID:
>
>>>
>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>>>
>
>>> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for
>
>>> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary
>
>>> arsenal to combat it.
>
>>>
>
>>> Amani
>
>>
>
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:33:47 -0500
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>> From: Lorrie To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>> Message-ID: <  20171227143347.GA816 at lnx12.netgear.com>
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>>
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>>
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>> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
>
>> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
>
>>
>
>> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
>
>>
>
>> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the 
>> average
>
>> person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of FIV.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Lorrie
>
>>
>
>> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
>
>>> Hi Bob
>
>>>
>
>>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>
>>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I 
>>> haven't
>
>>> received any emails in weeks.
>
>>>
>
>>> Amani
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
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>> Message: 4
>
>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 8:41:54 -0600
>
>> From: To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org,   felinerescue at frontier.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
>
>> Message-ID: <  20171227094154.PXG7R.4017.root at pamxwww01-z01>
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
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>>
>
>> tHE ONLY PROBLEM MY GUYS HAVE IS BOREDOM.  iT HAS BEEN COLD, SNOWY 
>> AND
>
>> WINDY.  HARLEY WHO USUALLY GOES OUT NO MATTER WHAT JUST GOES TO THE
>
>> DOOR, THE WIND HITS HIM AND HE BACKS UP.  WE HAVE LOTS OF AMAZON
>
>> BOXES, TUNNELS AND A LIGHT TO CHASE.
>
>>
>
>> ---- Lorrie  wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
>
>>> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
>
>>>
>
>>> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
>
>>>
>
>>> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the
>
>>> average person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of
>
>>> FIV.
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> Lorrie
>
>>>
>
>>> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
>
>>>> Hi Bob
>
>>>>
>
>>>> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
>
>>>> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
>
>>>> haven't received any emails in weeks.
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Amani
>
>>>
>
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>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:04:15 -0600
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>> From: Jennifer Olson To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
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>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Merry Christmas & Happy Anniversary wishes
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>> December 22nd marked the beginning of our 2nd yr with Figaro in our
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>> lives.
>
>> He is healthy, but a bit heavy- the kind of weight gain common after
>
>> being neutered. Have yet to get him integrated into the clan, so each
>
>> of us "bipedals" lavish Figaro with various kinds of attention... of
>
>> course I'M the "Mama" so Figaro and I do lots of grooming & cuddling!
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>> Much admiration goes out to all of you, whose loving strength 
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>> From: Sandy To:   felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
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>> Subject: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails
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>> Hi Sandy, I noticed the total lack of messages...... Hopefully this
>
>> means none of us are having any problems with our cats at this time.
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>>
>
>> Lorrie
>
>>
>
>> On 02-21, Sandy wrote:
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>>> Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November
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From thyme2sail at gmail.com  Tue Feb 27 05:29:10 2018
From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 06:29:10 -0500
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Ardy, I had similar thing with Sweetie Peetie having mammary cancer.
Looking back I would never put her though that surgery again. I got a few
hours with her at clinic after her surgery and she died in her sleep.  Does
that had called to tell me she had  stopped breathing on the operating
table  and was "shockey". I have struggled with that but your post about
them knowing we were doing it out of love for them is very helpful and
true! Thank you Ardy!

On Feb 26, 2018 11:26 PM, "Ardy Robertson" <ardyr at centurytel.net> wrote:

> Hi Pam ? actually I agree that sometimes too much care is hard on our
> fur-babes. Sometimes when I look back at old pictures of Tigger, I see a
> ?look? he had that I now realize might have been that he was sicker than I
> thought and maybe I should have given up sooner. I syringe fed him during
> his last 6 months when he would not eat on his own. Sometimes I think I
> tried too hard, but what I did was out of love for him, always believing we
> could beat his FeLV. And I know he loved us back, so if I overdid, I was
> forgiven I?m sure?.Ardy
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> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Pam Doore
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 4:21 PM
> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
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> Thank you Ardy.  I absolutely believe in supportive comfort care.  I pet
> sit and I have watched animals get so many treatments that they hide,
> cringe when you reach even to pet them.  etc.  I can't do that to my babies
> nor would I expect anyone else too.  Glad Topaz is doing well :-D.
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From bchapel at optonline.net  Tue Feb 27 11:45:48 2018
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 12:45:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Out of town....
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To all:
If anyone posts messages having to do with my cats I apologize in 
advance for not acknowledging but I will be out of town for the next 6 
days and HATE typing on my little IPAD unless it's something earth 
shatteringly important : )
I've gotten a lot of terrific information and appreciate everyone's 
input.....
BTW.... Agree TOTALLY re: keeping out friends alive when there is little 
hope for any more "full" life....? More often than not it strikes me 
that we do this for ourselves more than them... It's so hard to part 
with them... I've made that mistake in the past and I won't again...

Bob