From bchapel at optonline.net Mon Oct 16 20:36:38 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone There.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1b2e4531.fd529.15f27f9b951.Webtop.38@optonline.net> No mail has appeared in my mailbox from this group for quite? long while so I thought I would inquire as to whether _ I _ am just missing mail that HAS been going to others or if the group has simply not been active for a couple of months..... Generally it has been my experience that once I write one of these notes I start to get mail once again... NO idea why.... I thought of all of you recently when it was time to put my Hospice Cat ( Gilbert) down.... Third cat I have lost in a year....? ?I'm 0 for 3 at this point and am thinking it might be time to take on a more healthy animal but I keep harkening back to amani's words... If not us... who??? ?Certainly not the people who don't much care about cats...nor the vast majority of people who HAVE cats.....? There are SO many deserving animals out there that have problems that place them low on the adoption list....? they ALL deserve to have a home and someone to see them as special....? Gilbert was not adoptable with his brain injury...though ALL of the volunteers thought him special...still... no one came forward when he developed cancer though they all truly DID care that he was going to die....? He had a good life for his last few months... sitting on the porch...looking out the window.... and more petting and love than even HE wanted.? As is usually the case.... it was probably harder on me than him when it came time.... He stopped eating, it was painful for him to get his oral meds and even subq pain killers did little... He was constipated and just hid out all day... The Tumor was forcing his one eye to protrude and the other to recede... it would have been cruel to ask him to endure more..... A beautiful sweet animal.... I miss him terribly... Curious to see if I find the list active with this submission..... Bob... From bchapel at optonline.net Mon Oct 16 20:36:38 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone There.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1b2e4531.fd529.15f27f9b951.Webtop.38@optonline.net> No mail has appeared in my mailbox from this group for quite? long while so I thought I would inquire as to whether _ I _ am just missing mail that HAS been going to others or if the group has simply not been active for a couple of months..... Generally it has been my experience that once I write one of these notes I start to get mail once again... NO idea why.... I thought of all of you recently when it was time to put my Hospice Cat ( Gilbert) down.... Third cat I have lost in a year....? ?I'm 0 for 3 at this point and am thinking it might be time to take on a more healthy animal but I keep harkening back to amani's words... If not us... who??? ?Certainly not the people who don't much care about cats...nor the vast majority of people who HAVE cats.....? There are SO many deserving animals out there that have problems that place them low on the adoption list....? they ALL deserve to have a home and someone to see them as special....? Gilbert was not adoptable with his brain injury...though ALL of the volunteers thought him special...still... no one came forward when he developed cancer though they all truly DID care that he was going to die....? He had a good life for his last few months... sitting on the porch...looking out the window.... and more petting and love than even HE wanted.? As is usually the case.... it was probably harder on me than him when it came time.... He stopped eating, it was painful for him to get his oral meds and even subq pain killers did little... He was constipated and just hid out all day... The Tumor was forcing his one eye to protrude and the other to recede... it would have been cruel to ask him to endure more..... A beautiful sweet animal.... I miss him terribly... Curious to see if I find the list active with this submission..... Bob... From moonvine at gmail.com Mon Oct 16 20:39:20 2017 From: moonvine at gmail.com (Kelley S) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:39:20 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone There.... In-Reply-To: <1b2e4531.fd529.15f27f9b951.Webtop.38@optonline.net> References: <1b2e4531.fd529.15f27f9b951.Webtop.38@optonline.net> Message-ID: I never get initial emails, but get subsequent ones. On Monday, October 16, 2017, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > No mail has appeared in my mailbox from this group for quite long while > so I thought I would inquire as to whether _ I _ am just missing mail that > HAS been going to others or if the group has simply not been active for a > couple of months..... Generally it has been my experience that once I write > one of these notes I start to get mail once again... NO idea why.... > I thought of all of you recently when it was time to put my Hospice Cat ( > Gilbert) down.... Third cat I have lost in a year.... I'm 0 for 3 at this > point and am thinking it might be time to take on a more healthy animal but > I keep harkening back to amani's words... If not us... who?? Certainly > not the people who don't much care about cats...nor the vast majority of > people who HAVE cats..... There are SO many deserving animals out there > that have problems that place them low on the adoption list.... they ALL > deserve to have a home and someone to see them as special.... Gilbert was > not adoptable with his brain injury...though ALL of the volunteers thought > him special...still... no one came forward when he developed cancer though > they all truly DID care that he was going to die.... He had a good life > for his last few months... sitting on the porch...looking out the > window.... and more petting and love than even HE wanted. As is usually > the case.... it was probably harder on me than him when it came time.... He > stopped eating, it was painful for him to get his oral meds and even subq > pain killers did little... He was constipated and just hid out all day... > The Tumor was forcing his one eye to protrude and the other to recede... it > would have been cruel to ask him to endure more..... A beautiful sweet > animal.... I miss him terribly... > Curious to see if I find the list active with this submission..... > > > Bob... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kathstix at gmail.com Mon Oct 16 20:44:13 2017 From: kathstix at gmail.com (Katherine K.) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:44:13 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone There.... In-Reply-To: <1b2e4531.fd529.15f27f9b951.Webtop.38@optonline.net> References: <1b2e4531.fd529.15f27f9b951.Webtop.38@optonline.net> Message-ID: Hi Robert, Yup, still here. My sweet boy just turned 15 at the beginning of this month. We're at a plateau. His nose tumor growing and distorting the shape of his face - making one eye small - plus there's a small open sore at the top part of the bulge that seeps blood and mucus all day and leaves little crusty snail trails wherever he sleeps. I'm cleaning his face several times a day with wet wipes and tissues, and he's on pain meds. He looks awful but he's still eating faithfully, so as long as there's that....I'm here for him. Hugs to everyone's kitties K On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:36 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > No mail has appeared in my mailbox from this group for quite long while > so I thought I would inquire as to whether _ I _ am just missing mail that > HAS been going to others or if the group has simply not been active for a > couple of months..... Generally it has been my experience that once I write > one of these notes I start to get mail once again... NO idea why.... > I thought of all of you recently when it was time to put my Hospice Cat ( > Gilbert) down.... Third cat I have lost in a year.... I'm 0 for 3 at this > point and am thinking it might be time to take on a more healthy animal but > I keep harkening back to amani's words... If not us... who?? Certainly > not the people who don't much care about cats...nor the vast majority of > people who HAVE cats..... There are SO many deserving animals out there > that have problems that place them low on the adoption list.... they ALL > deserve to have a home and someone to see them as special.... Gilbert was > not adoptable with his brain injury...though ALL of the volunteers thought > him special...still... no one came forward when he developed cancer though > they all truly DID care that he was going to die.... He had a good life > for his last few months... sitting on the porch...looking out the > window.... and more petting and love than even HE wanted. As is usually > the case.... it was probably harder on me than him when it came time.... He > stopped eating, it was painful for him to get his oral meds and even subq > pain killers did little... He was constipated and just hid out all day... > The Tumor was forcing his one eye to protrude and the other to recede... it > would have been cruel to ask him to endure more..... A beautiful sweet > animal.... I miss him terribly... > Curious to see if I find the list active with this submission..... > > > Bob... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From swacht1946 at comcast.net Mon Oct 16 21:16:46 2017 From: swacht1946 at comcast.net (Sandy) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 02:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone There.... In-Reply-To: References: <1b2e4531.fd529.15f27f9b951.Webtop.38@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1295923133.1895828.1508206606591.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Hi one and all, it has been some time since I last saw a post as well. I'm happy to see the group is still alive! Bob, I feel so bad - sorry just doesn't cover it - you have had a sad, sad year. In my book, you are someone special who makes the difference for a very sick kitty cat - not many people can do what you do. I haven't had an FeLV kitty cat for some time - don't want one if possible. right now, I'm busy fostering momma's with babies and trying to get the teenagers adopted into good loving homes. Guess the worst I've got right now are 4 that were thrown away - just happen to have a genetic disease called Eyelid Agenesis - virtually, no eyelid. Surgery has taken care of the 2 girls but the 2 boys will need a 3rd surgery. Luckily, there is an animal eye specialist who works with rescue groups so the cost is 1/2 - but that still has to be raised and with all the devastating weather - not to mention this being the worst year for kittens being born most people are not donating for this cause. Hang in there Bob - remember there is only one of you and you are special. Katherine, I'm glad your kitty is still hanging in there. Sandy W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine K." To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 9:44:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone There.... Hi Robert, Yup, still here. My sweet boy just turned 15 at the beginning of this month. We're at a plateau. His nose tumor growing and distorting the shape of his face - making one eye small - plus there's a small open sore at the top part of the bulge that seeps blood and mucus all day and leaves little crusty snail trails wherever he sleeps. I'm cleaning his face several times a day with wet wipes and tissues, and he's on pain meds. He looks awful but he's still eating faithfully, so as long as there's that....I'm here for him. Hugs to everyone's kitties K On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:36 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL < bchapel at optonline.net > wrote: No mail has appeared in my mailbox from this group for quite long while so I thought I would inquire as to whether _ I _ am just missing mail that HAS been going to others or if the group has simply not been active for a couple of months..... Generally it has been my experience that once I write one of these notes I start to get mail once again... NO idea why.... I thought of all of you recently when it was time to put my Hospice Cat ( Gilbert) down.... Third cat I have lost in a year.... I'm 0 for 3 at this point and am thinking it might be time to take on a more healthy animal but I keep harkening back to amani's words... If not us... who?? Certainly not the people who don't much care about cats...nor the vast majority of people who HAVE cats..... There are SO many deserving animals out there that have problems that place them low on the adoption list.... they ALL deserve to have a home and someone to see them as special.... Gilbert was not adoptable with his brain injury...though ALL of the volunteers thought him special...still... no one came forward when he developed cancer though they all truly DID care that he was going to die.... He had a good life for his last few months... sitting on the porch...looking out the window.... and more petting and love than even HE wanted. As is usually the case.... it was probably harder on me than him when it came time.... He stopped eating, it was painful for him to get his oral meds and even subq pain killers did little... He was constipated and just hid out all day... The Tumor was forcing his one eye to protrude and the other to recede... it would have been cruel to ask him to endure more..... A beautiful sweet animal.... I miss him terribly... Curious to see if I find the list active with this submission..... Bob... _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlgegg at windstream.net Mon Oct 16 21:29:40 2017 From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:29:40 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone There.... In-Reply-To: <1b2e4531.fd529.15f27f9b951.Webtop.38@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20171016222940.KPMS3.14323.root@pamxwww01-z01> I feel for you loosing 3 in one year, it is hard enough to just loose one a year. Anie was my last to go. Hoepfully Harley, Dee and Homie are healthy and will live long lives. I am the one with problems, went in for routine visit and was sent to cardioligist who told me I needed surgery. I did not agree so he told me ok, patient refused surgery, next day was informed patient passed. So I went for many rounds of tests, heart, brathing, etc. and had the aortic valve replaced on 8/31, and pacemaker on 9/1 and went home on 9/2.. I had the TAVR proceedure done which runs the new bovine valve from an incision in the groin through the arteries to the heart. It goes inside the old valve and a metal framework forces the old valve open more. This is the way to go if you do not want a lo g hospital stay and open heart surgery. I have been "resting" since the last of June and will continue to be on restricted activity until December. Then I have to get my muscles toned up again. I insisted on being able to clean boxes, fill water fountains and feed my cats. So, they only had to make do with someone else for 3 days. You cannot drive for 2 weeks. This has been my biggest problem, not doing anything but crosswords and crochet. I thought maybe I was missing out on things, but sitting and sleeping keeps you off the internet. Thought maybe everyone was free from illness and all kitties were doing fine. ---- ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > No mail has appeared in my mailbox from this group for quite? long while so I thought I would inquire as to whether _ I _ am just missing mail that HAS been going to others or if the group has simply not been active for a couple of months..... Generally it has been my experience that once I write one of these notes I start to get mail once again... NO idea why.... I thought of all of you recently when it was time to put my Hospice Cat ( Gilbert) down.... Third cat I have lost in a year....? ?I'm 0 for 3 at this point and am thinking it might be time to take on a more healthy animal but I keep harkening back to amani's words... If not us... who??? ?Certainly not the people who don't much care about cats...nor the vast majority of people who HAVE cats.....? There are SO many deserving animals out there that have problems that place them low on the adoption list....? they ALL deserve to have a home and someone to see them as special....? Gilbert was not adoptable with his brain injury...though ALL of the volunteers thought him special...still... no one came forward when he developed cancer though they all truly DID care that he was going to die....? He had a good life for his last few months... sitting on the porch...looking out the window.... and more petting and love than even HE wanted.? As is usually the case.... it was probably harder on me than him when it came time.... He stopped eating, it was painful for him to get his oral meds and even subq pain killers did little... He was constipated and just hid out all day... The Tumor was forcing his one eye to protrude and the other to recede... it would have been cruel to ask him to endure more..... A beautiful sweet animal.... I miss him terribly... Curious to see if I find the list active with this submission..... Bob... _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From j13w0lson at gmail.com Mon Oct 16 21:39:42 2017 From: j13w0lson at gmail.com (Jennifer Olson) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:39:42 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Howdy! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Still here, and glad the message tonight wasn't bad news! Jen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j13w0lson at gmail.com Mon Oct 16 21:48:18 2017 From: j13w0lson at gmail.com (Jennifer Olson) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:48:18 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Read entire string In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My thoughts and prayers are with all of you. Jen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Mon Oct 16 22:06:47 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 03:06:47 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone There.... In-Reply-To: <1b2e4531.fd529.15f27f9b951.Webtop.38@optonline.net> References: <1b2e4531.fd529.15f27f9b951.Webtop.38@optonline.net> Message-ID: You know, Brian, I thought of you and Gilbert regularly. I was actually happy not to have heard from you, thinking that things must be fine. I am so sorry to hear of Gilbert's loss. It is wonderful that you were able to give him so much love in this world. Amani -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: October-16-17 9:37 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone There.... No mail has appeared in my mailbox from this group for quite? long while so I thought I would inquire as to whether _ I _ am just missing mail that HAS been going to others or if the group has simply not been active for a couple of months..... Generally it has been my experience that once I write one of these notes I start to get mail once again... NO idea why.... I thought of all of you recently when it was time to put my Hospice Cat ( Gilbert) down.... Third cat I have lost in a year....? ?I'm 0 for 3 at this point and am thinking it might be time to take on a more healthy animal but I keep harkening back to amani's words... If not us... who?? ?Certainly not the people who don't much care about cats...nor the vast majority of people who HAVE cats.....? There are SO many deserving animals out there that have problems that place them low on the adoption list....? they ALL deserve to have a home and someone to see them as special....? Gilbert was not adoptable with his brain injury...though ALL of the volunteers thought him special...still... no one came forward when he developed cancer though they all truly DID care that he was going to die....? He had a good life for his last few months... sitting on the porch...looking out the window.... and more petting and love than even HE wanted.? As is usually the case.... it was probably harder on me than him when it came time.... He stopped eating, it was painful for him to get his oral meds and even subq pain killers did little... He was constipated and just hid out all day... The Tumor was forcing his one eye to protrude and the other to recede... it would have been cruel to ask him to endure more..... A beautiful sweet animal.... I miss him terribly... Curious to see if I find the list active with this submission..... Bob... _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From kresch831 at mchsi.com Mon Oct 16 22:23:38 2017 From: kresch831 at mchsi.com (kresch831 at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 23:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] He went on his own time. . . Message-ID: <294761047.379214008.1508210618654.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Good Evening to all who just responded to Robert's "Anyone still there" email. This is my first post and I stumbled upon this site in my frantic effort to get info on FelV. Our tuxedo, Zorro, was with us barely a year when FelV took him in less than two weeks. I first saw him among the weeds and shrubs of my lower garden as he darted about, perhaps pursuing a field mouse. Over the next few weeks I steadily coaxed him closer to the house with food, water and my appearances. Eventually he was on the back porch daily meowing for breakfast and our Teddy Bear dog, Oliver, watched Zorro eat from the other side of the screen door. By late September Zorro was eating in the house, finding the litter box and purring so loudly he could be heard from ten feet away. Zorro was neutered, vaccinated and checked over and quickly became the kindest, most lovable cat I've ever had and at 70 I've had a few! We all spent a wonderful year plus together and Oliver became so accepting of Zorro that he allowed himself to be groomed my him. All this came crashing down six weeks ago. Zorro slept more, did not jump into bed with me and though he ate, he ate in little spurts. We took him in, tried some antibiotics first since he had a fever but nothing changed. Then the blood tests; then the devastating news: FeLV. The Vet suggested we consider putting Zorro down since it was incurable. I said Zorro will decide that action. For the next ten days we bought time with Zorro using a coticosteroid via pills. But the inevitable came suddenly three Monday evenings back. Zorro was slowly walking and then just laid down. His breathing became labored and I lay down next to him whispering in his ears and stroking his side. I told him to go, he'd done it on his terms and withing five minutes he was still. We've buried him with his bed and special blanket to cover him and keep the soil off. He's now beneath a tree near where I first saw him. Ken Resch From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Mon Oct 16 22:29:45 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 03:29:45 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] He went on his own time. . . In-Reply-To: <294761047.379214008.1508210618654.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> References: <294761047.379214008.1508210618654.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Ken, I am very sad to hear about your loss of Zorro. FeLV is a terrible disease that robs us of our beautiful furbabies, far far too soon. I am thrilled, though, that there are people like you out there who care and take the necessary steps to make little lives worth living, and lets these little babies know what love is, on their time on earth. Amani -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kresch831 at mchsi.com Sent: October-16-17 11:24 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] He went on his own time. . . Good Evening to all who just responded to Robert's "Anyone still there" email. This is my first post and I stumbled upon this site in my frantic effort to get info on FelV. Our tuxedo, Zorro, was with us barely a year when FelV took him in less than two weeks. I first saw him among the weeds and shrubs of my lower garden as he darted about, perhaps pursuing a field mouse. Over the next few weeks I steadily coaxed him closer to the house with food, water and my appearances. Eventually he was on the back porch daily meowing for breakfast and our Teddy Bear dog, Oliver, watched Zorro eat from the other side of the screen door. By late September Zorro was eating in the house, finding the litter box and purring so loudly he could be heard from ten feet away. Zorro was neutered, vaccinated and checked over and quickly became the kindest, most lovable cat I've ever had and at 70 I've had a few! We all spent a wonderful year plus together and Oliver became so accepting of Zorro that he allowed himself to be groomed my him. All this came crashing down six weeks ago. Zorro slept more, did not jump into bed with me and though he ate, he ate in little spurts. We took him in, tried some antibiotics first since he had a fever but nothing changed. Then the blood tests; then the devastating news: FeLV. The Vet suggested we consider putting Zorro down since it was incurable. I said Zorro will decide that action. For the next ten days we bought time with Zorro using a coticosteroid via pills. But the inevitable came suddenly three Monday evenings back. Zorro was slowly walking and then just laid down. His breathing became labored and I lay down next to him whispering in his ears and stroking his side. I told him to go, he'd done it on his terms and w ithing five minutes he was still. We've buried him with his bed and special blanket to cover him and keep the soil off. He's now beneath a tree near where I first saw him. Ken Resch _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From tessie1965 at icloud.com Tue Oct 17 02:54:55 2017 From: tessie1965 at icloud.com (Marlene Snowman) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 04:54:55 -0300 Subject: [Felvtalk] He went on his own time. . . In-Reply-To: References: <294761047.379214008.1508210618654.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <11B4B390-EF61-4C9B-96EB-77D6976958EF@icloud.com> Ken, I am so very sorry for your loss. Zorro was lucky to have found you to love him for your year or so. I?m sure he came into your life for a very good reason. I am fortunate to still have my Bear for now two years, despite her starting off with many ailments plus FeLV having the vet immediately suggest euthanize as the only option. I was pleasantly surprised to see her put on a little more weight and reach 7 pounds this week. I am grateful for all the lovely souls who see other options, despite financial and great emotional toll in loving these wonderful fur babies. Marlene Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2017, at 12:29 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Ken, > > I am very sad to hear about your loss of Zorro. FeLV is a terrible disease that robs us of our beautiful furbabies, far far too soon. I am thrilled, though, that there are people like you out there who care and take the necessary steps to make little lives worth living, and lets these little babies know what love is, on their time on earth. > > Amani > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kresch831 at mchsi.com > Sent: October-16-17 11:24 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] He went on his own time. . . > > Good Evening to all who just responded to Robert's "Anyone still there" email. This is my first post and I stumbled upon this site in my frantic effort to get info on FelV. Our tuxedo, Zorro, was with us barely a year when FelV took him in less than two weeks. I first saw him among the weeds and shrubs of my lower garden as he darted about, perhaps pursuing a field mouse. Over the next few weeks I steadily coaxed him closer to the house with food, water and my appearances. Eventually he was on the back porch daily meowing for breakfast and our Teddy Bear dog, Oliver, watched Zorro eat from the other side of the screen door. By late September Zorro was eating in the house, finding the litter box and purring so loudly he could be heard from ten feet away. > > Zorro was neutered, vaccinated and checked over and quickly became the kindest, most lovable cat I've ever had and at 70 I've had a few! We all spent a wonderful year plus together and Oliver became so accepting of Zorro that he allowed himself to be groomed my him. All this came crashing down six weeks ago. Zorro slept more, did not jump into bed with me and though he ate, he ate in little spurts. We took him in, tried some antibiotics first since he had a fever but nothing changed. Then the blood tests; then the devastating news: FeLV. The Vet suggested we consider putting Zorro down since it was incurable. I said Zorro will decide that action. For the next ten days we bought time with Zorro using a coticosteroid via pills. But the inevitable came suddenly three Monday evenings back. Zorro was slowly walking and then just laid down. His breathing became labored and I lay down next to him whispering in his ears and stroking his side. I told him to go, he'd done it on his terms and w > ithing five minutes he was still. > > We've buried him with his bed and special blanket to cover him and keep the soil off. He's now beneath a tree near where I first saw him. > > Ken Resch > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From merrykatmeows at email.com Tue Oct 17 07:01:39 2017 From: merrykatmeows at email.com (kat) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:01:39 +0200 Subject: [Felvtalk] Checking in when the list has been quiet... Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kathstix at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 07:35:44 2017 From: kathstix at gmail.com (Katherine K.) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 08:35:44 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] He went on his own time. . . In-Reply-To: <11B4B390-EF61-4C9B-96EB-77D6976958EF@icloud.com> References: <294761047.379214008.1508210618654.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> <11B4B390-EF61-4C9B-96EB-77D6976958EF@icloud.com> Message-ID: Zorro sounds like a wonderful kittie boy. Sorry for your loss, Ken. On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 3:54 AM, Marlene Snowman wrote: > Ken, I am so very sorry for your loss. Zorro was lucky to have found you > to love him for your year or so. I?m sure he came into your life for a very > good reason. > > I am fortunate to still have my Bear for now two years, despite her > starting off with many ailments plus FeLV having the vet immediately > suggest euthanize as the only option. I was pleasantly surprised to see her > put on a little more weight and reach 7 pounds this week. > > I am grateful for all the lovely souls who see other options, despite > financial and great emotional toll in loving these wonderful fur babies. > > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 17, 2017, at 12:29 AM, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > > > Ken, > > > > I am very sad to hear about your loss of Zorro. FeLV is a terrible > disease that robs us of our beautiful furbabies, far far too soon. I am > thrilled, though, that there are people like you out there who care and > take the necessary steps to make little lives worth living, and lets these > little babies know what love is, on their time on earth. > > > > Amani > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of kresch831 at mchsi.com > > Sent: October-16-17 11:24 PM > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] He went on his own time. . . > > > > Good Evening to all who just responded to Robert's "Anyone still there" > email. This is my first post and I stumbled upon this site in my frantic > effort to get info on FelV. Our tuxedo, Zorro, was with us barely a year > when FelV took him in less than two weeks. I first saw him among the weeds > and shrubs of my lower garden as he darted about, perhaps pursuing a field > mouse. Over the next few weeks I steadily coaxed him closer to the house > with food, water and my appearances. Eventually he was on the back porch > daily meowing for breakfast and our Teddy Bear dog, Oliver, watched Zorro > eat from the other side of the screen door. By late September Zorro was > eating in the house, finding the litter box and purring so loudly he could > be heard from ten feet away. > > > > Zorro was neutered, vaccinated and checked over and quickly became the > kindest, most lovable cat I've ever had and at 70 I've had a few! We all > spent a wonderful year plus together and Oliver became so accepting of > Zorro that he allowed himself to be groomed my him. All this came crashing > down six weeks ago. Zorro slept more, did not jump into bed with me and > though he ate, he ate in little spurts. We took him in, tried some > antibiotics first since he had a fever but nothing changed. Then the blood > tests; then the devastating news: FeLV. The Vet suggested we consider > putting Zorro down since it was incurable. I said Zorro will decide that > action. For the next ten days we bought time with Zorro using a > coticosteroid via pills. But the inevitable came suddenly three Monday > evenings back. Zorro was slowly walking and then just laid down. His > breathing became labored and I lay down next to him whispering in his ears > and stroking his side. I told him to go, he'd done it on his terms and w > > ithing five minutes he was still. > > > > We've buried him with his bed and special blanket to cover him and keep > the soil off. He's now beneath a tree near where I first saw him. > > > > Ken Resch > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kathstix at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 07:36:34 2017 From: kathstix at gmail.com (Katherine K.) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 08:36:34 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone There.... In-Reply-To: References: <1b2e4531.fd529.15f27f9b951.Webtop.38@optonline.net> Message-ID: It sounds like Gilbert was living the dream with you. Glad he knew love at the end, thank you for helping him. I'm sorry for your losses. On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > You know, Brian, I thought of you and Gilbert regularly. I was actually > happy not to have heard from you, thinking that things must be fine. I am > so sorry to hear of Gilbert's loss. It is wonderful that you were able to > give him so much love in this world. > > Amani > > -----Original Message----- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > ROBERT CHAPEL > Sent: October-16-17 9:37 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Cc: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone There.... > > No mail has appeared in my mailbox from this group for quite long while > so I thought I would inquire as to whether _ I _ am just missing mail that > HAS been going to others or if the group has simply not been active for a > couple of months..... Generally it has been my experience that once I write > one of these notes I start to get mail once again... NO idea why.... > I thought of all of you recently when it was time to put my Hospice Cat ( > Gilbert) down.... Third cat I have lost in a year.... I'm 0 for 3 at this > point and am thinking it might be time to take on a more healthy animal but > I keep harkening back to amani's words... If not us... who?? > Certainly not the people who don't much care about cats...nor the vast > majority of people who HAVE cats..... There are SO many deserving animals > out there that have problems that place them low on the adoption list.... > they ALL deserve to have a home and someone to see them as special.... > Gilbert was not adoptable with his brain injury...though ALL of the > volunteers thought him special...still... no one came forward when he > developed cancer though they all truly DID care that he was going to > die.... He had a good life for his last few months... sitting on the > porch...looking out the window.... and more petting and love than even HE > wanted. As is usually the case.... it was probably harder on me than him > when it came time.... He stopped eating, it was painful for him to get his > oral meds and even subq pain killers did little... He was constipated and > just hid out all day... The Tumor was forcing his one eye to protrude and > the other to recede... it would have been cruel to ask him to endure > more..... A beautiful sweet animal.... I miss him terribly... > Curious to see if I find the list active with this submission..... > > > Bob... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kresch831 at mchsi.com Tue Oct 17 08:31:14 2017 From: kresch831 at mchsi.com (kresch831 at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 09:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you all. . . Message-ID: <2116894323.380486959.1508247074868.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> How very kind of you Katherine, Amani, kat and Marlene for your kind words about Zorro. We are going to the shelter today to adopt another kitty. Some say there must be adequate time between cats in order to have honored the one who has passed. Perhaps. I, on the other hand, believe there is a cat waiting for me at the shelter. In fact, last Sunday when the staff of our shelter arrived to work, they found several U-Haul boxes of cats at the door! In total there were 40 kittens to four-year olds in the boxes. I saw a Tux among the mix and am going to see him today. I'm also going to ask the vet to test him for FeLv at my cost. Also, I believe we must get rid of the litter pan from Zorro just to be on the safe side. Again, thank you all for your outreach; it means far more than you might know, Ken From merrykatmeows at email.com Tue Oct 17 08:43:22 2017 From: merrykatmeows at email.com (kat) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 15:43:22 +0200 Subject: [Felvtalk] boxes of cats ?? (was: Thank you all. . . In-Reply-To: <2116894323.380486959.1508247074868.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> References: <2116894323.380486959.1508247074868.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kresch831 at mchsi.com Tue Oct 17 08:53:09 2017 From: kresch831 at mchsi.com (kresch831 at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 09:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] boxes of cats ?? (was: Thank you all. . . In-Reply-To: <4S9jeRttx8UVZ4S9lesy7t> Message-ID: <329069044.380587823.1508248389865.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Hi Kat, I live in Dubuque, Iowa and when I talked to the staff they said no notes were attached. The cats were all relatively healthy; many had fleas, but were otherwise fine. There were two nursing momma cats, but one had no kittens so the staff feared she may have hid them. They searched the grounds but found no although they did capture a couple of cats that escaped the boxes and were in a tree! In just over a week all the cats were spayed or neutered, vaccinated and adopted out! The shelter put "You-haul it!" signs by those that were in the boxes. The Tux I have on hold was among those dropped off. All the adoption fees were waived and donations were all that were requested. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: kat To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 09:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] boxes of cats ?? (was: Thank you all. . .
Hi Ken,
 
Which shelter is this?  Just curious how someone could just drop off several boxes of cats...
Are they all doing well after being taken in at the shelter?  Approx how old are the kittens?
This just boggles my mind.
 
Kat (Mew Jersey)
 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 9:31 AM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you all. . .
How very kind of you Katherine, Amani, kat and Marlene for your kind words about Zorro. We are going to the shelter today to adopt another kitty. Some say there must be adequate time between cats in order to have honored the one who has passed. Perhaps. I, on the other hand, believe there is a cat waiting for me at the shelter. In fact, last Sunday when the staff of our shelter arrived to work, they found several U-Haul boxes of cats at the door! In total there were 40 kittens to four-year olds in the boxes. I saw a Tux among the mix and am going to see him today. I'm also going to ask the vet to test him for FeLv at my cost. Also, I believe we must get rid of the litter pan from Zorro just to be on the safe side.

Again, thank you all for your outreach; it means far more than you might know,
Ken

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From dlgegg at windstream.net Tue Oct 17 12:28:45 2017 From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:28:45 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you all. . . In-Reply-To: <2116894323.380486959.1508247074868.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20171017132845.WF4AZ.4996.root@pamxwww03-z01> yOU ARE RIGHT. iF YOU WAIT FOR GRIEVING TO PASS, A KITTEN MAY DIE. Right now is the time to get another one to help in the grieving process. ---- kresch831 at mchsi.com wrote: > How very kind of you Katherine, Amani, kat and Marlene for your kind words about Zorro. We are going to the shelter today to adopt another kitty. Some say there must be adequate time between cats in order to have honored the one who has passed. Perhaps. I, on the other hand, believe there is a cat waiting for me at the shelter. In fact, last Sunday when the staff of our shelter arrived to work, they found several U-Haul boxes of cats at the door! In total there were 40 kittens to four-year olds in the boxes. I saw a Tux among the mix and am going to see him today. I'm also going to ask the vet to test him for FeLv at my cost. Also, I believe we must get rid of the litter pan from Zorro just to be on the safe side. > > Again, thank you all for your outreach; it means far more than you might know, > Ken > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From dlgegg at windstream.net Tue Oct 17 12:31:08 2017 From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:31:08 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] boxes of cats ?? (was: Thank you all. . . In-Reply-To: <329069044.380587823.1508248389865.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20171017133108.JSGF2.5003.root@pamxwww03-z01> lAt least they brought them to the shelter. ---- kresch831 at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi Kat, > I live in Dubuque, Iowa and when I talked to the staff they said no notes were attached. The cats were all relatively healthy; many had fleas, but were otherwise fine. There were two nursing momma cats, but one had no kittens so the staff feared she may have hid them. They searched the grounds but found no although they did capture a couple of cats that escaped the boxes and were in a tree! In just over a week all the cats were spayed or neutered, vaccinated and adopted out! The shelter put "You-haul it!" signs by those that were in the boxes. The Tux I have on hold was among those dropped off. All the adoption fees were waived and donations were all that were requested. > Ken > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kat > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Sent: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 09:43:22 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: [Felvtalk] boxes of cats ?? (was: Thank you all. . . > >
>
Hi Ken,
> >
 
> >
Which shelter is this?  Just curious how someone could just drop off several boxes of cats...
> >
Are they all doing well after being taken in at the shelter?  Approx how old are the kittens?
> >
This just boggles my mind.
> >
 
> >
Kat (Mew Jersey)
> >
  >
>
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> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you all. . .
> >
How very kind of you Katherine, Amani, kat and Marlene for your kind words about Zorro. We are going to the shelter today to adopt another kitty. Some say there must be adequate time between cats in order to have honored the one who has passed. Perhaps. I, on the other hand, believe there is a cat waiting for me at the shelter. In fact, last Sunday when the staff of our shelter arrived to work, they found several U-Haul boxes of cats at the door! In total there were 40 kittens to four-year olds in the boxes. I saw a Tux among the mix and am going to see him today. I'm also going to ask the vet to test him for FeLv at my cost. Also, I believe we must get rid of the litter pan from Zorro just to be on the safe side.
>
> Again, thank you all for your outreach; it means far more than you might know,
> Ken
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> > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From thyme2sail at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 13:39:28 2017 From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:39:28 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you all. . . In-Reply-To: <20171017132845.WF4AZ.4996.root@pamxwww03-z01> References: <2116894323.380486959.1508247074868.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> <20171017132845.WF4AZ.4996.root@pamxwww03-z01> Message-ID: We each have different needs after a pet pashe's before bringing another baby home. I adopted Sunny 5 days after Mozart died. Sunny had been my foster for 2 months. On Oct 17, 2017 1:29 PM, wrote: yOU ARE RIGHT. iF YOU WAIT FOR GRIEVING TO PASS, A KITTEN MAY DIE. Right now is the time to get another one to help in the grieving process. ---- kresch831 at mchsi.com wrote: > How very kind of you Katherine, Amani, kat and Marlene for your kind words about Zorro. We are going to the shelter today to adopt another kitty. Some say there must be adequate time between cats in order to have honored the one who has passed. Perhaps. I, on the other hand, believe there is a cat waiting for me at the shelter. In fact, last Sunday when the staff of our shelter arrived to work, they found several U-Haul boxes of cats at the door! In total there were 40 kittens to four-year olds in the boxes. I saw a Tux among the mix and am going to see him today. I'm also going to ask the vet to test him for FeLv at my cost. Also, I believe we must get rid of the litter pan from Zorro just to be on the safe side. > > Again, thank you all for your outreach; it means far more than you might know, > Ken > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bchapel at optonline.net Tue Oct 17 15:04:15 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Zorro and " Brian" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7fa792a6.ff415.15f2befc956.Webtop.35@optonline.net> Ken.... It is so terrible how quickly Felv can steal a cats life...but it's so great that you gave that little guy the love and attention I SO wish could/would be accorded every deserving animal ( read...ALL)... my cat Jelly was a strapping tiger stripe one month with perfect blood work and three weeks later he was dead.... I'm still wrestling ( and always will) with when is the right time to put a kitty down and I'm leaning now toward sooner rather than later.... We get so attached to our little guys and girls that parting from them seems overwhelming... but the fact that they are still eating and perhaps purring from time to time doesn't really tell us their level of discomfort...? I know that, for me at least, I'd rather be gone than be maintained on pain medication and bed ridden ( as is the case for most hospice people and animals) I let my boy Gilbert linger too long, I think, in retrospect because he was eating well... but the rest of the time he literally slept and often hid out.... I'm thinking that the next time I have a cat that is hiding out more than laying out in the open i will use THAT as the sign that quality of life just simply is no longer there....? When a cat feels disabled enough that he feels vulnerable exposed ( and you KNOW that he has a serious disease that is not going to improve) it's probably time to let him go....? Yes... I wish he could have told me... but... that's OUR job at this point......? After three deaths I'm getting a little sharper about how much of keeping them alive is for me and how much for them.... Often FeLV takes the decision out of our hands and claims them so quickly that we don't have to pain over this..... a mixed blessing to be sure. BTW...Amani...? ?I am fond of the name Brian but my parents named me Bob : ) Bob From bchapel at optonline.net Tue Oct 17 15:04:15 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Zorro and " Brian" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7fa792a6.ff415.15f2befc956.Webtop.35@optonline.net> Ken.... It is so terrible how quickly Felv can steal a cats life...but it's so great that you gave that little guy the love and attention I SO wish could/would be accorded every deserving animal ( read...ALL)... my cat Jelly was a strapping tiger stripe one month with perfect blood work and three weeks later he was dead.... I'm still wrestling ( and always will) with when is the right time to put a kitty down and I'm leaning now toward sooner rather than later.... We get so attached to our little guys and girls that parting from them seems overwhelming... but the fact that they are still eating and perhaps purring from time to time doesn't really tell us their level of discomfort...? I know that, for me at least, I'd rather be gone than be maintained on pain medication and bed ridden ( as is the case for most hospice people and animals) I let my boy Gilbert linger too long, I think, in retrospect because he was eating well... but the rest of the time he literally slept and often hid out.... I'm thinking that the next time I have a cat that is hiding out more than laying out in the open i will use THAT as the sign that quality of life just simply is no longer there....? When a cat feels disabled enough that he feels vulnerable exposed ( and you KNOW that he has a serious disease that is not going to improve) it's probably time to let him go....? Yes... I wish he could have told me... but... that's OUR job at this point......? After three deaths I'm getting a little sharper about how much of keeping them alive is for me and how much for them.... Often FeLV takes the decision out of our hands and claims them so quickly that we don't have to pain over this..... a mixed blessing to be sure. BTW...Amani...? ?I am fond of the name Brian but my parents named me Bob : ) Bob From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Tue Oct 17 15:08:27 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:08:27 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Zorro and " Brian" In-Reply-To: <7fa792a6.ff415.15f2befc956.Webtop.35@optonline.net> References: <7fa792a6.ff415.15f2befc956.Webtop.35@optonline.net> Message-ID: Sorry Bob - honest mistake. I am working on a case right now, going to trail in a few weeks, and one of my two clients is Brian. "Brian" on the brain. My apologies! -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: October-17-17 4:04 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Zorro and " Brian" Ken.... It is so terrible how quickly Felv can steal a cats life...but it's so great that you gave that little guy the love and attention I SO wish could/would be accorded every deserving animal ( read...ALL)... my cat Jelly was a strapping tiger stripe one month with perfect blood work and three weeks later he was dead.... I'm still wrestling ( and always will) with when is the right time to put a kitty down and I'm leaning now toward sooner rather than later.... We get so attached to our little guys and girls that parting from them seems overwhelming... but the fact that they are still eating and perhaps purring from time to time doesn't really tell us their level of discomfort...? I know that, for me at least, I'd rather be gone than be maintained on pain medication and bed ridden ( as is the case for most hospice people and animals) I let my boy Gilbert linger too long, I think, in retrospect because he was eating well... but the rest of the time he literally slept and often hid out.... I'm thinking that the next time I have a cat that is hiding out more than laying out in the open i will use THAT as the sign that quality of life just simply is no longer there....? When a cat feels disabled enough that he feels vulnerable exposed ( and you KNOW that he has a serious disease that is not going to improve) it's probably time to let him go....? Yes... I wish he could have told me... but... that's OUR job at this point......? After three deaths I'm getting a little sharper about how much of keeping them alive is for me and how much for them.... Often FeLV takes the decision out of our hands and claims them so quickly that we don't have to pain over this..... a mixed blessing to be sure. BTW...Amani...? ?I am fond of the name Brian but my parents named me Bob : ) Bob _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From ardyr at centurytel.net Tue Oct 17 15:56:15 2017 From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 15:56:15 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone There.... In-Reply-To: <1b2e4531.fd529.15f27f9b951.Webtop.38@optonline.net> References: <1b2e4531.fd529.15f27f9b951.Webtop.38@optonline.net> Message-ID: <007b01d3478a$61a35770$24ea0650$@centurytel.net> Hi Robert, Sorry you had to put Gilbert down but you knew best I believe, and thank you for giving him the love he deserved. Ardy -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 8:37 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone There.... No mail has appeared in my mailbox from this group for quite long while so I thought I would inquire as to whether _ I _ am just missing mail that HAS been going to others or if the group has simply not been active for a couple of months..... Generally it has been my experience that once I write one of these notes I start to get mail once again... NO idea why.... I thought of all of you recently when it was time to put my Hospice Cat ( Gilbert) down.... Third cat I have lost in a year.... I'm 0 for 3 at this point and am thinking it might be time to take on a more healthy animal but I keep harkening back to amani's words... If not us... who?? Certainly not the people who don't much care about cats...nor the vast majority of people who HAVE cats..... There are SO many deserving animals out there that have problems that place them low on the adoption list.... they ALL deserve to have a home and someone to see them as special.... Gilbert was not adoptable with his brain injury...though ALL of the volunteers thought him special...still... no one came forward when he developed cancer though they all truly DID care that he was going to die.... He had a good life for his last few months... sitting on the porch...looking out the window.... and more petting and love than even HE wanted. As is usually the case.... it was probably harder on me than him when it came time.... He stopped eating, it was painful for him to get his oral meds and even subq pain killers did little... He was constipated and just hid out all day... The Tumor was forcing his one eye to protrude and the other to recede... it would have been cruel to ask him to endure more..... A beautiful sweet animal.... I miss him terribly... Curious to see if I find the list active with this submission..... Bob... _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From ardyr at centurytel.net Tue Oct 17 16:02:26 2017 From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:02:26 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] He went on his own time. . . In-Reply-To: <294761047.379214008.1508210618654.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> References: <294761047.379214008.1508210618654.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <007c01d3478b$3d5233e0$b7f69ba0$@centurytel.net> OK I'm crying ------ reminds me of when we spent the last couple hours with our Tigger at home, holding him and telling him how much we loved him. Thank you for taking such good care of Zorro. Ardy -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kresch831 at mchsi.com Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 10:24 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] He went on his own time. . . Good Evening to all who just responded to Robert's "Anyone still there" email. This is my first post and I stumbled upon this site in my frantic effort to get info on FelV. Our tuxedo, Zorro, was with us barely a year when FelV took him in less than two weeks. I first saw him among the weeds and shrubs of my lower garden as he darted about, perhaps pursuing a field mouse. Over the next few weeks I steadily coaxed him closer to the house with food, water and my appearances. Eventually he was on the back porch daily meowing for breakfast and our Teddy Bear dog, Oliver, watched Zorro eat from the other side of the screen door. By late September Zorro was eating in the house, finding the litter box and purring so loudly he could be heard from ten feet away. Zorro was neutered, vaccinated and checked over and quickly became the kindest, most lovable cat I've ever had and at 70 I've had a few! We all spent a wonderful year plus together and Oliver became so accepting of Zorro that he allowed himself to be groomed my him. All this came crashing down six weeks ago. Zorro slept more, did not jump into bed with me and though he ate, he ate in little spurts. We took him in, tried some antibiotics first since he had a fever but nothing changed. Then the blood tests; then the devastating news: FeLV. The Vet suggested we consider putting Zorro down since it was incurable. I said Zorro will decide that action. For the next ten days we bought time with Zorro using a coticosteroid via pills. But the inevitable came suddenly three Monday evenings back. Zorro was slowly walking and then just laid down. His breathing became labored and I lay down next to him whispering in his ears and stroking his side. I told him to go, he'd done it on his terms and w ithing five minutes he was still. We've buried him with his bed and special blanket to cover him and keep the soil off. He's now beneath a tree near where I first saw him. Ken Resch _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From ardyr at centurytel.net Tue Oct 17 16:03:02 2017 From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:03:02 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] He went on his own time. . . In-Reply-To: References: <294761047.379214008.1508210618654.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <007d01d3478b$529b92f0$f7d2b8d0$@centurytel.net> Amen -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 10:30 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] He went on his own time. . . Ken, I am very sad to hear about your loss of Zorro. FeLV is a terrible disease that robs us of our beautiful furbabies, far far too soon. I am thrilled, though, that there are people like you out there who care and take the necessary steps to make little lives worth living, and lets these little babies know what love is, on their time on earth. Amani -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kresch831 at mchsi.com Sent: October-16-17 11:24 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] He went on his own time. . . Good Evening to all who just responded to Robert's "Anyone still there" email. This is my first post and I stumbled upon this site in my frantic effort to get info on FelV. Our tuxedo, Zorro, was with us barely a year when FelV took him in less than two weeks. I first saw him among the weeds and shrubs of my lower garden as he darted about, perhaps pursuing a field mouse. Over the next few weeks I steadily coaxed him closer to the house with food, water and my appearances. Eventually he was on the back porch daily meowing for breakfast and our Teddy Bear dog, Oliver, watched Zorro eat from the other side of the screen door. By late September Zorro was eating in the house, finding the litter box and purring so loudly he could be heard from ten feet away. Zorro was neutered, vaccinated and checked over and quickly became the kindest, most lovable cat I've ever had and at 70 I've had a few! We all spent a wonderful year plus together and Oliver became so accepting of Zorro that he allowed himself to be groomed my him. All this came crashing down six weeks ago. Zorro slept more, did not jump into bed with me and though he ate, he ate in little spurts. We took him in, tried some antibiotics first since he had a fever but nothing changed. Then the blood tests; then the devastating news: FeLV. The Vet suggested we consider putting Zorro down since it was incurable. I said Zorro will decide that action. For the next ten days we bought time with Zorro using a coticosteroid via pills. But the inevitable came suddenly three Monday evenings back. Zorro was slowly walking and then just laid down. His breathing became labored and I lay down next to him whispering in his ears and stroking his side. I told him to go, he'd done it on his terms and w ithing five minutes he was still. We've buried him with his bed and special blanket to cover him and keep the soil off. He's now beneath a tree near where I first saw him. Ken Resch _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From ardyr at centurytel.net Tue Oct 17 16:07:56 2017 From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:07:56 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you all. . . In-Reply-To: <2116894323.380486959.1508247074868.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> References: <2116894323.380486959.1508247074868.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <007e01d3478c$02076930$06163b90$@centurytel.net> Sounds like it might be time for the poem someone sent when we lost Tigg ---- Lend Me a Kitten I will lend you a kitten for awhile, God said. For you to love while he lives, and mourn when he's dead. Maybe for twelve or fourteen years, or maybe two or three. But will you, 'till I call him back, take care of him for me? He'll bring his charms to gladden you, and should his stay be brief You'll always have his memories as solace for your grief. I cannot promise he will stay, since all from earth return. But there are lessons taught below I want this kitten to learn. I've looked the whole world over, in search of teachers true. And from the folks that crowd life's land, I have chosen you. Now will you give him all your love, not think the labor vain? Nor hate me when I come to take my kitten home again? I fancied that I heard them say 'Dear Lord Thy Will Be Done'. For all the joys this kitten brings, the risk of grief we'll run. We'll shelter him with tenderness, we'll love him while we may. And for the happiness we've known, forever grateful stay. But should you call him back, much sooner than we planned, We'll brave the bitter grief that comes, and try to understand. If, by our love we've managed your wishes to achieve, Then in memory of him whom we loved, please help us while we grieve. When our cherished kitten departs this world of strife, Please send yet another needing soul for us to love all his life. Author Unknown -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kresch831 at mchsi.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 8:31 AM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you all. . . How very kind of you Katherine, Amani, kat and Marlene for your kind words about Zorro. We are going to the shelter today to adopt another kitty. Some say there must be adequate time between cats in order to have honored the one who has passed. Perhaps. I, on the other hand, believe there is a cat waiting for me at the shelter. In fact, last Sunday when the staff of our shelter arrived to work, they found several U-Haul boxes of cats at the door! In total there were 40 kittens to four-year olds in the boxes. I saw a Tux among the mix and am going to see him today. I'm also going to ask the vet to test him for FeLv at my cost. Also, I believe we must get rid of the litter pan from Zorro just to be on the safe side. Again, thank you all for your outreach; it means far more than you might know, Ken _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From bchapel at optonline.net Tue Oct 17 16:22:02 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 17:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Whats in a name : ) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55a0069f.ff58a.15f2c36ffe6.Webtop.35@optonline.net> Amani... NO problem...? I'm the LAST person to take issue with temporary inability to summon up the correct name.... Often times these days I draw a blank on people I know relatively well...? quite embarassing... AND... you got the first letter right!!! > From thyme2sail at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 17:21:15 2017 From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:21:15 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone There.... In-Reply-To: <1b2e4531.fd529.15f27f9b951.Webtop.38@optonline.net> References: <1b2e4531.fd529.15f27f9b951.Webtop.38@optonline.net> Message-ID: Hi Bob, I am sorry to hear of Gilbert's passing and that his disease started progressing. ~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~ *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick* On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:36 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > No mail has appeared in my mailbox from this group for quite long while > so I thought I would inquire as to whether _ I _ am just missing mail that > HAS been going to others or if the group has simply not been active for a > couple of months..... Generally it has been my experience that once I write > one of these notes I start to get mail once again... NO idea why.... > I thought of all of you recently when it was time to put my Hospice Cat ( > Gilbert) down.... Third cat I have lost in a year.... I'm 0 for 3 at this > point and am thinking it might be time to take on a more healthy animal but > I keep harkening back to amani's words... If not us... who?? Certainly > not the people who don't much care about cats...nor the vast majority of > people who HAVE cats..... There are SO many deserving animals out there > that have problems that place them low on the adoption list.... they ALL > deserve to have a home and someone to see them as special.... Gilbert was > not adoptable with his brain injury...though ALL of the volunteers thought > him special...still... no one came forward when he developed cancer though > they all truly DID care that he was going to die.... He had a good life > for his last few months... sitting on the porch...looking out the > window.... and more petting and love than even HE wanted. As is usually > the case.... it was probably harder on me than him when it came time.... He > stopped eating, it was painful for him to get his oral meds and even subq > pain killers did little... He was constipated and just hid out all day... > The Tumor was forcing his one eye to protrude and the other to recede... it > would have been cruel to ask him to endure more..... A beautiful sweet > animal.... I miss him terribly... > Curious to see if I find the list active with this submission..... > > > Bob... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thyme2sail at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 17:25:35 2017 From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:25:35 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] He went on his own time. . . In-Reply-To: <294761047.379214008.1508210618654.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> References: <294761047.379214008.1508210618654.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Ken I am so glad that Zorro had your has his parent. They do fight so hard to stay with their family (us) :). ~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~ *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick* On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:23 PM, wrote: > Good Evening to all who just responded to Robert's "Anyone still there" > email. This is my first post and I stumbled upon this site in my frantic > effort to get info on FelV. Our tuxedo, Zorro, was with us barely a year > when FelV took him in less than two weeks. I first saw him among the weeds > and shrubs of my lower garden as he darted about, perhaps pursuing a field > mouse. Over the next few weeks I steadily coaxed him closer to the house > with food, water and my appearances. Eventually he was on the back porch > daily meowing for breakfast and our Teddy Bear dog, Oliver, watched Zorro > eat from the other side of the screen door. By late September Zorro was > eating in the house, finding the litter box and purring so loudly he could > be heard from ten feet away. > > Zorro was neutered, vaccinated and checked over and quickly became the > kindest, most lovable cat I've ever had and at 70 I've had a few! We all > spent a wonderful year plus together and Oliver became so accepting of > Zorro that he allowed himself to be groomed my him. All this came crashing > down six weeks ago. Zorro slept more, did not jump into bed with me and > though he ate, he ate in little spurts. We took him in, tried some > antibiotics first since he had a fever but nothing changed. Then the blood > tests; then the devastating news: FeLV. The Vet suggested we consider > putting Zorro down since it was incurable. I said Zorro will decide that > action. For the next ten days we bought time with Zorro using a > coticosteroid via pills. But the inevitable came suddenly three Monday > evenings back. Zorro was slowly walking and then just laid down. His > breathing became labored and I lay down next to him whispering in his ears > and stroking his side. I told him to go, he'd done it on his terms and w > ithing five minutes he was still. > > We've buried him with his bed and special blanket to cover him and keep > the soil off. He's now beneath a tree near where I first saw him. > > Ken Resch > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 18 05:50:16 2017 From: toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net (Margo) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 06:50:16 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone There.... Message-ID: <1095896353.25121.1508323816647@wamui-albus.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlgegg at windstream.net Wed Oct 18 11:49:32 2017 From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 11:49:32 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Whats in a name : ) In-Reply-To: <55a0069f.ff58a.15f2c36ffe6.Webtop.35@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20171018124932.UW34F.22914.root@pamxwww11-z01> This malady seems to affect all of us these days. dorlis ---- ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > Amani... NO problem...? I'm the LAST person to take issue with temporary inability to summon up the correct name.... Often times these days I draw a blank on people I know relatively well...? quite embarassing... AND... you got the first letter right!!! > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From marlmel at hotmail.com Sat Oct 28 09:40:27 2017 From: marlmel at hotmail.com (marlene melpignano) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2017 14:40:27 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help Message-ID: Hi, I have a cat Felv +, after initial symptoms he was fine for more than one year. He has now developed anemia and we do not get by lowering the massive dose of prednisolone without instantly getting anemia back. Anyone has experience with Immunoregolin or LTCI? (Lymphocyte t-cell immunomodulator) Thanks a lot, Marl?ne (an Italian desperate cat mother) From merrykatmeows at email.com Sat Oct 28 13:40:32 2017 From: merrykatmeows at email.com (kat) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2017 20:40:32 +0200 Subject: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Sat Oct 28 13:42:30 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2017 18:42:30 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Marlene I methodically tried both the Immunoregulin and the LTCI. We gave weekly injections and performed weekly bloodwork, which showed no appreciable change in the haematology or other blood parameters. However, others on this chatline have had good results with those treatments. I suggest that if you are going to try either of these treatments, you perform weekly bloodwork as we did, and if there is no change, move on. Alternatively, what I did find very effective, was using Winstrol (stanazolol) along with prednisolone and Doxycycline. Again, performing weekly bloodwork showed an immediate uptick in the red cell count and haematocrit, and it rose steadily thereafter from a level of 5 (critically low) to normal levels between 25 and 35 after about 10 months of treatment. The other blood parameters also improved (platelets going from critically low numbers to within reference range) and white cells also returning to reference range levels. I had good luck using a combination of Doxycycline (1/2 100 mg twice a day) plus Winstrol (1 mg x2 day) plus prednisone/prednisolone (1/2 5 mg tablet x2 a day). Even on this protocol, I recommend close weekly or bi-weekly monitoring so you can see if you start getting a rise in the red cell indices, etc. Don?t let your vet talk you out of one or another of these medications. You can?t substitute another antibiotic for the Doxycycline, for example. Doxycycline has anti-RNA properties (which allows it to interfere with the replication of viruses when other antibiotics don?t do this.) Amani -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of marlene melpignano Sent: October-28-17 10:40 AM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help Hi, I have a cat Felv +, after initial symptoms he was fine for more than one year. He has now developed anemia and we do not get by lowering the massive dose of prednisolone without instantly getting anemia back. Anyone has experience with Immunoregolin or LTCI? (Lymphocyte t-cell immunomodulator) Thanks a lot, Marl?ne (an Italian desperate cat mother) _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Sat Oct 28 13:55:03 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2017 18:55:03 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Marlene - I should also have added to my last email, that you shouldn?t be surprised if you get an unusual response from your vet, to the suggestion of using Winstrol. Winstrol is an anabolic steroid, and has unfortunately been implicated in a number of athletic "doping" scandals and so it can sometimes be difficult to obtain. You said you are in Italy, and I actually think it may not be as difficult to access Winstrol in Europe as it is in North America, but I don?t know that for sure. It is possible that your vet will need to get the Winstrol from a compounding pharmacy. However, the medication is not very expensive and I have had very good success with it with my FeLV cat who was in severe crisis and close to death. I have also found it very helpful in a wide array of other conditions since is it a muscle builder, bone builder and improves appetite and strength. (You can see why athletes often use it to become stronger and faster and heal faster as well.) Amani -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of marlene melpignano Sent: October-28-17 10:40 AM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help Hi, I have a cat Felv +, after initial symptoms he was fine for more than one year. He has now developed anemia and we do not get by lowering the massive dose of prednisolone without instantly getting anemia back. Anyone has experience with Immunoregolin or LTCI? (Lymphocyte t-cell immunomodulator) Thanks a lot, Marl?ne (an Italian desperate cat mother) _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From marlmel at hotmail.com Sat Oct 28 15:06:34 2017 From: marlmel at hotmail.com (marlene melpignano) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2017 20:06:34 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Kat and Amani for support and suggestions. Unfortunately I currently live in Brussels where they have ZERO experience on felv cats. As medicaments, in Europe we only have interferon, that I cannot use at the same time of prednisone, but without it the anemia prevails... in Belgium they proposed me cyclosporine, which is not used at all in Italy. My Italian vet read about LTCI and thinks we should give it a try, but it's very complicated to get it in Europe, and a German veterinary specialised in virology told me there are no scientific proofs that immunomodulator are effective in Felv. And I cannot find anything recent about them in academics articles.. Sorry for bothering, but Europe is hundreds years behind you ... Inviato da iPhone From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Sat Oct 28 15:12:11 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2017 20:12:11 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Seriously - try the Winstrol. I had very good results with it, and several others on our chatline have had good results as well. If it is complicated to get the LTCI, then it may well be easier to get the Winstrol. By the way, I am in Canada, and we had to ship the LTCI from the U.S. Also, I don't think vets ANYWHERE are experienced with FeLV since they all just recommend putting the cat down. The experiences of others on our chatline, shows that to be the case, and we have heard from people in South Africa and South America as well as all over the U.S., and parts of Canada. Many of us have had to fight with our vets to get them to obtain Winstrol or to try any treatment at all for the FeLV. You are not alone in that regard. Amani -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of marlene melpignano Sent: October-28-17 4:07 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help Thanks Kat and Amani for support and suggestions. Unfortunately I currently live in Brussels where they have ZERO experience on felv cats. As medicaments, in Europe we only have interferon, that I cannot use at the same time of prednisone, but without it the anemia prevails... in Belgium they proposed me cyclosporine, which is not used at all in Italy. My Italian vet read about LTCI and thinks we should give it a try, but it's very complicated to get it in Europe, and a German veterinary specialised in virology told me there are no scientific proofs that immunomodulator are effective in Felv. And I cannot find anything recent about them in academics articles.. Sorry for bothering, but Europe is hundreds years behind you ... Inviato da iPhone _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From felinerescue at frontier.com Sat Oct 28 15:40:36 2017 From: felinerescue at frontier.com (Lorrie) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2017 16:40:36 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20171028204036.GA1436@lnx12.netgear.com> Marlene, Please try the Winstrol. It works amazingly well for FelV cats with anemia. I have not heard the same about Immunoregolin or any other drugs used for FelV. Some of us in the Felv group have found Winstrol online. Lorrie and 42 rescued cats - 12 cats at home, and 30 in my private cageless sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-28, marlene melpignano wrote: > Thanks Kat and Amani for support and suggestions. Unfortunately I > currently live in Brussels where they have ZERO experience on felv > cats. As medicaments, in Europe we only have interferon, that I > cannot use at the same time of prednisone, but without it the > anemia prevails... in Belgium they proposed me cyclosporine, which > is not used at all in Italy. My Italian vet read about LTCI and > thinks we should give it a try, but it's very complicated to get it > in Europe, and a German veterinary specialised in virology told me > there are no scientific proofs that immunomodulator are effective > in Felv. And I cannot find anything recent about them in academics > articles.. > > Sorry for bothering, but Europe is hundreds years behind you ... > > > Inviato da iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From ardyr at centurytel.net Sun Oct 29 09:54:40 2017 From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 09:54:40 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000201d350c5$da613760$8f23a620$@centurytel.net> Hi Marlene, I used Interferon with and without Prednisolone on my beloved Tigger ------nothing happened to improve his bloodwork. ONLY - when I finally found a way to get Winstrol and used it according to the way Amani had used it -- with Prednisolone and Doxycyclene -- did it begin to help Tigger's bloodwork. So much so, that the lab re-ran the first bloodtest after using Winstrol because they thought there was a mistake, there was that much improvement! And by the time I was able to get the Winstrol from a compounding pharmacy in Arizona-USA, one called Diamond Back Drugs, his blood was flatlining. At that point I don't even know how he could have been alive with such low numbers. If you decide to go the route of Winstrol, you might be able to find it online by googling Diamond Back Drugs. We in the FeLV group have begun calling this treatment "Zander's Protocol" because Zander was Amani's beloved kitty who was helped by this treatment. At the moment, my four fur-babies are all healthy, but if I ever have another one with FeLV, I would treat him with Winstrol. My best to you and your kitty, Ardy -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of marlene melpignano Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 3:07 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help Thanks Kat and Amani for support and suggestions. Unfortunately I currently live in Brussels where they have ZERO experience on felv cats. As medicaments, in Europe we only have interferon, that I cannot use at the same time of prednisone, but without it the anemia prevails... in Belgium they proposed me cyclosporine, which is not used at all in Italy. My Italian vet read about LTCI and thinks we should give it a try, but it's very complicated to get it in Europe, and a German veterinary specialised in virology told me there are no scientific proofs that immunomodulator are effective in Felv. And I cannot find anything recent about them in academics articles.. Sorry for bothering, but Europe is hundreds years behind you ... Inviato da iPhone _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From dlgegg at windstream.net Sun Oct 29 12:51:44 2017 From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 12:51:44 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help In-Reply-To: <000201d350c5$da613760$8f23a620$@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <20171029135144.DBXYE.11311.root@pamxwww07-z01> I told my vet about the winnstrol treatment and she has agreed to give it a try if ever needed, may even try on other cats if owners want it. ---- Ardy Robertson wrote: > Hi Marlene, > I used Interferon with and without Prednisolone on my beloved Tigger > ------nothing happened to improve his bloodwork. ONLY - when I finally found > a way to get Winstrol and used it according to the way Amani had used it -- > with Prednisolone and Doxycyclene -- did it begin to help Tigger's > bloodwork. So much so, that the lab re-ran the first bloodtest after using > Winstrol because they thought there was a mistake, there was that much > improvement! And by the time I was able to get the Winstrol from a > compounding pharmacy in Arizona-USA, one called Diamond Back Drugs, his > blood was flatlining. At that point I don't even know how he could have been > alive with such low numbers. If you decide to go the route of Winstrol, you > might be able to find it online by googling Diamond Back Drugs. We in the > FeLV group have begun calling this treatment "Zander's Protocol" because > Zander was Amani's beloved kitty who was helped by this treatment. At the > moment, my four fur-babies are all healthy, but if I ever have another one > with FeLV, I would treat him with Winstrol. > > My best to you and your kitty, > Ardy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > marlene melpignano > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 3:07 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - > help > > Thanks Kat and Amani for support and suggestions. > Unfortunately I currently live in Brussels where they have ZERO experience > on felv cats. As medicaments, in Europe we only have interferon, that I > cannot use at the same time of prednisone, but without it the anemia > prevails... in Belgium they proposed me cyclosporine, which is not used at > all in Italy. > My Italian vet read about LTCI and thinks we should give it a try, but it's > very complicated to get it in Europe, and a German veterinary specialised in > virology told me there are no scientific proofs that immunomodulator are > effective in Felv. > And I cannot find anything recent about them in academics articles.. > > Sorry for bothering, but Europe is hundreds years behind you ... > > > Inviato da iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org