[Felvtalk] Losing patience

Jennifer Olson j13w0lson at gmail.com
Thu Mar 2 15:51:21 CST 2017


Thank you for your input  <3

On Mar 2, 2017 3:45 PM, <dlgegg at windstream.net> wrote:

> I was going to say urinary tract infection.  Harley and Homey have both
> had that and peed just in front of the box.  Went to the vet and got meds.
> Neither one was too happy about taking the medicine, but I found that if I
> sit in the recliner, wedge them between myself and the arm of the chair,
> then my left hand is free to pry open their mouth and with the right hand
> administer the meds.  It takes a bit of practice, but gets the job done
>
> ---- Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> > Jen
> >
> > Can I plead with you on Figaro’s behalf? I know how unbelievably
> disruptive and disturbing it is to be peed on! I have had the pleasure. But
> very often it signals something else is wrong. In my last cat who did this
> – who squatted right on the bed while looking straight at me and peed, I
> oddly got the sense that HE didn’t know why he had done it. I also noticed
> that he seemed particularly disturbed in the litter box, and there were
> some other oddities which I had noticed. It turned out that he had a lesion
> (could be a small break) in his lower spinal cord (maybe his tail had been
> pulled or caught in a door, etc), and these were neurological complications
> which were resulting in this odd behaviour. The nerves which enervate the
> bladder and bowel are found in the lower part of the spinal cord. Thus
> damage to that area (a fall, hit by a car, tail caught in a door and the
> cat running hard in the opposite direction) can all cause damage to these
> nerves.
> >
> > There are sometimes other explanations such as urinary tract infections,
> or just not feeling right.
> >
> > I would think you think again about having him fixed. I agree with
> others who have posted, that it should be okay to fix him if he is not
> experiencing any FeLV symptoms yet. However, just to be on the safe side,
> you might consider putting him on Doxycycline/Winstrol/Prednisone for a
> few weeks before the surgery. There is a published study showing that
> people who were put on Stanazolol (Winstrol) prior to abdominal surgery,
> had a better and faster recovery than the control group who did not take
> Stanazolol.
> >
> > I think that the mortality rate may be due to the fact that surgery
> weakens the body and if the cat is already battling an immune challenge,
> surgery may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. However, I would
> also think that it would be female cats who would be more at risk.
> Neutering is not nearly as invasive as spaying.
> >
> > Please don’t give up on him. He will have a very dim future, given his
> FeLV status and peeing issues.
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Jennifer Olson
> > Sent: March-02-17 8:39 AM
> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Losing patience
> >
> > Figaro is adorable, but I'm so frustrated with the whole situation-
> > I'm begining to consider other livining arrangements... aka placement...
> >
> > On Mar 2, 2017 3:19 AM, "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bchapel at optonline.net<mailto:
> bchapel at optonline.net>> wrote:
> > Thanks Amani... this is very helpful and I will do my best to locate
> these references... preferably the full articles if they don't charge too
> much for them ( I no longer work in hospitals and don't have access to full
> medical databases ( for free)...
> >
> > VERY interesting about the ebola virus and the eyes.... it does indeed
> appear that the virus established a foothold in Yogi's eyes....   BUT... it
> was also via the eyes that I was able to introduce antiviral meds that my
> Veterinary opthalmologist was using off label.....  Of course the target
> for these meds was the Herpes Virus....but it too ,is,  a retro Virus and
> these meds "might" have had some effect on the FeLV virus as well
> > had I used them for a longer time ( though I would have had to have sold
> my house to do so : )
> > You can find ALL sorts of aid for these Anti Virals if you are using
> them for HIV or Herpes 1 or 2 but they are hard to locate at discount for
> Veterinary Use.....  I really am VERY concerned at the price of Vet
> services as I feel they will ultimately reduce the number of pet
> owners.....  I was able to easily afford to keep 4 cats on a rather low
> Social Worker income back in the 80's but keeping one ill FeLV in 2017 can
> easily add 400.00 a month to ones expenses....  Many people who might
> formerly have adopted multiple cats will now only take in one or  two.....
> All the more reason for forums like ours as it is up to us to share our
> knowledge and experiences to help each other avoid total reliance on a
> veterinary system that is not always working to preserve our FeLV cats
> lives.....
> >
> > Hi Bob
> >
> > I am unable to attach the literature regarding the ability of
> Doxycycline to interfere with RNA replication and/or interfere with viral
> infection, but here are a few titles to look up on the Internet:
> >
> > - Antiviral activity of doxycycline against vesicular stomatitis virus
> in vitro - FEMS Microbiol Lett. 2015
> >
> > - Control of small inhibitory RNA levels and RNA interference by
> doxycycline induced activation of a minimal RNA polymerase III promoter -
> 2006 Nucleic Acids Res. 34
> >
> > - Inhibitory effect of doxycycline against dengue virus replication in
> vitro - October 2013 Archives of Virology 159(4)
> > - Study of the antiviral activity of some derivatives of tetracycline
> and non-steroid anti-inflammatory drugs towards dengue virus - August 2013
> Tropical Biomedicine 30(4):1-10   (BY THE WAY - DOXYCYCLINE IS A
> TETRACYCLINE)
> >
> > - A study of the clinical activity of a gel combining monocaprin and
> doxycycline: a novel treatment for herpes labialis. (2012) J Oral Path Med
> 41:61-67
> >
> >
> >
> > The following paper was interesting in that it explored the role of
> Doxycycline in inhibiting tumour cell proliferation, angiogenesis,
> metastasis and migration of cancerous cells (including leukemic cells) from
> the bone marrow:
> >
> > - Doxycycline inhibits leukemic cell migration via inhibition of matrix
> metalloproteinases and phosphorylation of focal adhesion kinase - published
> Molecular Medicine Reports, September 2015 Vol. 12, Issue 3.
> >
> >
> > Amani
> >
> > P.S. - By the way, Bob. The other thing that was featured in that show
> last night about the fight against Ebola, is that the same doctor who
> contracted it and was declared symptom-free, later began to develop eye
> problems and when they examined his eye, they found millions of the Ebola
> viruses in the eye. The programme explained that the eye was an area of
> reduced immunity in the body, and thus, the virus had found a breeding
> ground where it remained, though it had been cleared from the rest of the
> body. They therefore began treating the doctor's eye, and the treatment was
> ultimately successful. It brought to mind the problems Yogi had had with
> his eyes, and I wondered if the answer was similar - that the virus had had
> a toe-hold there.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felv
> talk-bounces at felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> > Sent: March-01-17 5:02 PM
> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
> > Cc: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Knowing the " whys" of Win/Pred/Doxy
> >
> > Amani...
> >
> > If we consider the extended time frame for Doxy and multiple courses of
> other ABX it makes a certain "intuitive" sense that a non bacterial
> infection is going to require a longer period of time to have whatever
> non-specific ( read... not related to bacterial infection necessarily)...?
> So little research money appears to be devoted to FeLV that I don't know
> that we'll know in the next decade unless the continuing demands of
> consumers ( who do NOT want to hear , in this day and age of " Miracles")
> that there is _ no hope_ for their much loved
> > pets) alter this course.??? I STILL bristle when I think of the closed
> minds in the medical and Veterinary community and SO resent that
> businessmen( Yes...that is what the vast majority are turning into now that
> practices are being forced to consolidate into " Health Systems").. hold
> the power of life and death over us AND our pets.?? On the plus side....
> with the business model being what it is ( and in contrast to the lost art
> of " professionalism")? The CONSUMER is always right.? Vets will be forced,
> in the future, to work more closely with the " customers" wishes as
> attachment to a given vet will become less common as time goes on and
> people will " practice shop " for the answers they want until such time as
> Vet services become so expensive that insurance becomes a " must have " and
> ultimately go the way of medicine ( ie...being confined to a slate of
> approved practitioners... again....limiting choice)...? But... there are
> some years to go before that happens and I feel that there IS a window of
> opportunity happening NOW and for the next few? years for people to have
> some real influence on how Vets practice....?? I am betting, for example,
> that had I had the money to go to a more " well to do " neighborhood where
> people are more demanding and better informed I could have found a vet to
> cooperate... Here in the "sticks" people just blindly accept what the vet
> has to say and they still enjoy the freedom of calling all the shots.....??
> This WILL end over the next couple of years.? I learned a lot with this
> first experience and made mistakes that I WILL NOT make again.
> >
> > BTW....? Do you have any literature in support of the AntiRNA effects of
> Doxy...???? I am SO happy that there are still a couple of things out there
> that we still can get our hands on that don't have to pass muster with
> script pad businessmen....? STILL I am also not advocating the the
> medically ill prepared take it upon themselves to decide that THEY will
> decide what is best for their animal... If we are going to go above and
> beyond our Vets advice it would best be with very sound reasoning and an
> EXCELLENT understanding of what we are doing and why.?? Anything less and
> the community of Veterinary practitioners could easily dismiss our
> successes as "dumb luck" or ascribe them to " unknown" factors.....? I
> think this is particularly important re: Winstrol/Pred/Doxy?? I'd hate to
> see people going to their vets asking for this combination of drugs and
> really having an inadequate understanding of why they are asking for beyond
> the fact that it's been recommended on our forum...??? For m
> >  yself... I am clear on the Whys of Winstrol and Doxy ( though will be
> looking for more lit support on the RNA effects of Doxy) but not clear on
> the whys of the Pred.
> > Sorry for taking up so much space here but I'm having an " attack " of
> missing my little guy and am tremulous about being caught in the same
> position if I take in another FeLV as I am inclined to do....
> >
> >
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