[Felvtalk] Prednisolone
ROBERT CHAPEL
bchapel at optonline.net
Mon Jun 19 12:51:25 CDT 2017
Lorrie..
Gilbert is not FeLV... He has a Cancerous Tumor... I'm giving him 5mg
of Prednisolone via Tablet
and it has been helping ( though ultimately it may be at a price).....
Shelter appears to want o avoid Suboxone and have provided Gabapentin in
syringe to try.... Have a feeling that I am , once again, going to have
to pay if I want to be sure this guy is not in pain..... This shelter
is beginning to aggravate me with their backward ways and they are going
to lose me as a foster parent if this doesn't change...... There are
other organizations that need assistance and I need more cooperation...
Hoping that the pred keeps helping for a while...
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> From: ROBERT CHAPEL To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
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> Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds....? I was hoping there
> was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are
> many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is
> mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got
> them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already
> helping....HOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had
> used larger doses than 5mg BID..
> This is a cat? that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one
> never knows....? I don't want to play " fast and loose"? with his
> other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want
> him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended
> up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...?
> I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and
> found it very hard to obtain definitive information....? Probably need
> to go to original Vet Sources....? Sure hope kitties have natural
> endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard
> to find stuff that will help their pain....
> BTW...? I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in
> REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred)
> He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and
> climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the
> drug had completely screwed up his balance...? He acted like a drunk
> essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off (
> which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in
> obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!...??
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 5:57:38 -0500
> From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
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> Just like in human medicine, things help one problem and cause
> another. It seems to come down to which problem is the worst or least
> bad. Just read in Mercola about gene editing to change a person's
> genetic code. There are unwanted edits which can be harmful. To make
> a decision for our babies, is hard. If I had been able to stop
> Annie's pain, I think I would have done anything, but at what cost to
> her. It is like giving steroids to stop knee pain. They dissolve
> bone and cause so many other problems, it is not worth it. I found
> that out when the dr gave me the shots in my knees. My blood sugar
> shot up to 700 for about 3 days. I now take hyaleuronic injections
> that do not affect my blood sugar. In fact they don't seem to have
> any side effects. They cost almost twice as much but last for 6
> months so the cost comes out the same. I just wish they could talk so
> they could tell us when and where they hurt, but their instinct is to
> hide pain so predators will not know they are disabled in any way.
> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
>>
>
> Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds....? I was hoping there
> was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are
> many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is
> mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got
> them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already
> helping....HOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had
> used larger doses than 5mg BID..
> This is a cat? that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one
> never knows....? I don't want to play " fast and loose"? with his
> other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want
> him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended
> up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...?
> I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and
> found it very hard to obtain definitive information....? Probably need
> to go to original Vet Sources....? Sure hope kitties have natural
> endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard
> to find stuff that will help their pain....
> BTW...? I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in
> REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred)
> He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and
> climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the
> drug had completely screwed up his balance...? He acted like a drunk
> essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off (
> which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in
> obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!...??
>
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> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 6:01:33 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
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> I am keeping my vet up to date on things that have worked in the past
> for other FELV kitties so she can add them to her arsenal and study
> them on her own. I am so glad to have found someone who is willing to
> work with me and at least check it out for herself.
> ---- Ardy Robertson wrote:
>> I am probably a little late responding ? I didn?t check my emails for
>> a few days, but I used buprenorphine on my Tigger also for his pain.
>> One night during the night he came running and jumped up in bed with
>> us and was showing signs of pain. I cut the dose in fourths, so I was
>> giving him the smallest amount that would work, and I gave it to him
>> in a syringe without the needle part. He seemed to ask for it. It did
>> not make him drowsy, and worked very fast.
>>
>> Ardy
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of Sheri Burbridge
>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:15 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
>>
>>
>> Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will
>> undoubtedly be difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to
>> give them the quality of life they deserve.
>> My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little
>> syringes that went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It
>> can make them sleepy but I don't think it put him in a stupor.
>>
>> I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them
>> struggle.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM > wrote:
>>
>> While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats
>> around his favorite up high places in case he falls and block off
>> stairs. This way he could still be free to roam. I hope you will
>> find some meds for him and he can be close to you when the time
>> comes. As for not getting attached, that is impossible. Five
>> minutes after they are with you, you have lost. God b e with you
>> both and give him a peaceful passing.
>>
>> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL > wrote:
>>> My latest boy.... Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a
>>> Cancerous
>> Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth,
>> is
>> beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with
>> his
>> paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is
>> off
>> and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking
>> motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his
>> jaw....
>> I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the
>> shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but
>> wanted
>> to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control
>> or
>> amelioration.... I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to
>> have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not ,
>> apparently,
>> in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the
>> day
>> or exploring a little bit..... As predicted I am going to be
>> heartbroken when he passes.... I thought that knowing in advance that
>> I
>> was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment
>> but
>> apparently I am not built that way.... this boy is one of the
>> sweetest,
>> gentlest cats I have ever met.... all he wants is to be near
>> people...to
>> sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected
>> the
>> " ignore" center in his brain : )... The fact that his balance is a
>> little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to
>> the
>> affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into
>> his genetics to survive but there is still something courageous
>> about
>> watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...
>> Have
>> any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely
>> put
>> your cats into a stupor.... I'm worried about my boy because he is
>> already less than able with his balance and I am not always home...
>> would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on
>> something
>> and missisng...... Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe"
>> room... but that is a last resort thing..... I took him from the
>> shelter
>> so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein
>> for as long as I can.....
>> Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute....
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
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> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 10:43:07 -0400
> From: Lorrie To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
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> On 06-12, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds....? I was hoping there
>> was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there
>> are many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter
>> is mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I
>> got them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already
>> helping....HOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had
>> used larger doses than 5mg BID..
>
> Do you mean .5ml which is half of a 1ml syringe?
>
> My IBD cat gets .5 of prednisolone once a day and is doing very well
> on it. It does affect a cats immune system which is why it works
> well with inflamatory problems like IBD (Inflamatory Bowel Disease),
> but I never heard of using steroids for FelV positive cats, since
> their immune systems are already compromised. I will be very
> interested in hearing about this. Perhaps I missed some of your
> posts.
>
> Lorrie
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 17:18:24 -0500
> From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and
> Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
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> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>
>
> My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to
> find
> she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was
> treating her
> and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible
> truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her
> comfortable.
> She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it
> is
> effective.
>
>
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>
>
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find
> info
> on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about
> boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we
> were
> going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24
> hours.
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
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> Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has
> herpes
> virus on top of the FeLu.
> There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston
> gives
> to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember
> what
> the name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV.
>
> What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?
>
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