From merrykatmeows at email.com  Thu Jun  1 07:07:26 2017
From: merrykatmeows at email.com (kat)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:07:26 +0200
Subject: [Felvtalk] Annie
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From kathstix at gmail.com  Thu Jun  1 08:39:22 2017
From: kathstix at gmail.com (Katherine K.)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:39:22 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] Annie
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Hugs to you as you remember your dear sweet girl Annie. I am so sorry for
your loss. She was cherished and loved, and will live on in your memories.

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:07 AM, kat <merrykatmeows at email.com> wrote:

> Thank you for loving her for the time she was with you.  It never feels
> like it is long enough.
>
> Sleep soft, dear Annie...
>
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 10:06 PM
> *From:* dlgegg at windstream.net
> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Annie
> I have known all along that I would loose her one day, but it still hurts.
> She did have 8 years with me so I have that to be thankful for. She joins a
> growing list of furbabies that have crossed over the bridge. Now she will
> be in pain no longer.
>
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From bchapel at optonline.net  Thu Jun  1 09:25:59 2017
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 10:25:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Annie...
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I would not be giving up on Annie by any means...? As Amani points out 
her blood values are not at a critical phase... she has some signs of a 
possible infection that could respond to ABX treatment and you could, of 
course be pleasantly surprised at her ability to rally...?? Thiis is not 
to suggest that your concerns are unfounded...? with my own luck of late 
I could easily find myself assuming that a FeLV cat of mine was on his 
or her way out if they had even a URI.....?? This time around I'm 
fostering a cat with Terminal Cancer because I feel HE stands a better 
chance of surviving? : )???? I'm gratified that there are many in this 
forum who have managed to keep their FeLV charges alive for multiple 
years and the cumulative knowledge we all gain will help us down the 
line to brighten the prospects for more of these kitties down the 
line....? I'm rooting for Annie to make comeback..
Bob


From bchapel at optonline.net  Thu Jun  1 09:25:59 2017
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 10:25:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Annie...
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I would not be giving up on Annie by any means...? As Amani points out 
her blood values are not at a critical phase... she has some signs of a 
possible infection that could respond to ABX treatment and you could, of 
course be pleasantly surprised at her ability to rally...?? Thiis is not 
to suggest that your concerns are unfounded...? with my own luck of late 
I could easily find myself assuming that a FeLV cat of mine was on his 
or her way out if they had even a URI.....?? This time around I'm 
fostering a cat with Terminal Cancer because I feel HE stands a better 
chance of surviving? : )???? I'm gratified that there are many in this 
forum who have managed to keep their FeLV charges alive for multiple 
years and the cumulative knowledge we all gain will help us down the 
line to brighten the prospects for more of these kitties down the 
line....? I'm rooting for Annie to make comeback..
Bob


From ardyr at centurytel.net  Fri Jun  2 23:53:49 2017
From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 23:53:49 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Annie
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I'm so very sorry about Annie...... it's so hard to lose them but she was so
fortunate to have you!
Ardy


-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlgegg at windstream.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:07 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Annie

I have known all along that I would loose her one day, but it still hurts.
She did have 8 years with me so I have that to be thankful for.  She joins a
growing list of furbabies that have crossed over the bridge.  Now she will
be in pain no longer.

---- Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> I don't have a lot to go on, but based on the results, and the physical
finding of a painful kidney, it might be a kidney infection gone septic. The
total white cell count is low, which may occur when the white cells migrate
out of blood circulation to move towards an area of infection in the
tissues. You have given a low neutrophil count, but I would also be
interested in what is the percentage of neutrophils. If it is a bacterial
infection, I would expect a higher than normal percentage of neutrophils.
Also, I would be looking for a left shift in the neutrophils. Did they
report any immature neutrophils like band cells? Any other neutrophil
abnormalities such as toxic granulation? 
> 
> The first thing I would focus on is ensuring sufficient hydration. Keep up
with the subcutaneous fluids at home. Also, oxygen would help since you want
to keep the cells well-perfused and with the dehydration and drop of red
cells (though they aren't too low), and oxygen needed at the clinic, you
should give her some more if you have a source of it at home. I am concerned
that she isn't already on doxycycline. I would perhaps ask the vet to
consider intravenous antibiotics, to get the antibiotics levels to go up
faster than orally, and then you can give her the oral antibiotics. If it is
a kidney infection, fluid replacement and antibiotic therapy is likely far
more important than food intake right now.
> 
> It isn't clear that this is an infection, but it might be. Was she tested
for vital signs? Did she have temperature, and possibly elevated heart rate.
It seems that she certainly would have had a reduced blood pressure, which
again is consistent with sepsis from an infection, but isn't the only thing
that might cause that.
> 
> I don't think this is a Winstrol situation just yet. I think instead that
a combination of broad spectrum antibiotics along with some
prednisone/prednisolone might be the better approach.
> 
> However, given that there is no definitive diagnosis yet, you need to
watch her closely. If there isn't an improvement fairly quickly on the
antibiotics, your vet will probably be considering other explanations.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlgegg at windstream.net
> Sent: May-31-17 5:52 PM
> To: felv
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Annie
> 
> We just got back from the vet and Annie is not in good shape.  She stopped
eating this am.  I did get some broth from Mackeral down her, but no
soloids.  The vet has ordered Doxy formulated so it will be liquid.  She
will get it 2 times daily.  I have told her about Winstrol and she read up
on it and is willing to get it for us is needed.  She had to try 3 times for
blood.  It came out so slowely and started clotting too fast to to the
tests.  She is also dehydrated so gave sub q fluids and gave me more to
bring home.  She also had to give her some oxygen for 5 minutes, her brain
was not getting enough.  After 5 min, she bounced back.  Dr. Said she was
stressed by the exam.  
> Bloodwork:  RBC  - LOW 4.78
>                    HCT - LOW  23.7
>                    HGB - LOW  8.4
>                    RETC HIGH  62.7
>                    WBC LOW  4.54
>                    NEU LOW  2.41
>                    
>                   BUN HIGH  59
>                   ALKP  LOW  10
>                   TBIL  HIGH  1.5
> EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN NORMAL RANGE.  
> sHE ALSO SAID ONE KIDNY SEEMS ENLARGED AND SLIGHTLY FIRM AND SHE CRIED
WHEN SHE APPLIED PRESSURE TO THAT AREA.
> sHE HAS ALSO LOST WEIGHT, DOWN FROM 6.6 LAST VISIT.  wE HAD STARTED HER ON
KITTNE FOOD TO BRING HER WEIGHT UP AND SHE HAD BEEN EATING UNTIL THIS AM.  i
JUST RECEIVED A SHIPMENT OF BLUE BUFFALO CANNED FOOD AND I PLAN TO START HER
ON THAT MIXED WITH WARM WATER.  AT LEAST SHE GETS SOME NOURISHMENT FROM THE
LIQUID.  i ALSO HAVE A TANK OF OXYGEN LEFT FROM MY FATHER THAT i CAN GIVE
HER SOME IS SHE NEEDS IT.  
> 
> aNY SUGGESTIONS?  SHE WILL GO ALONG WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.  sO NICE TO
HAVE A VET LIKE THAT.
> 
> 
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From thyme2sail at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 17:26:49 2017
From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 18:26:49 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia rescue groups...
Message-ID: <CA+-nMss1iuiwbHyN=MwU_uWVDOPZS0206bWbj7K+zsA6PFMepg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,  I am with a shelter in Western NY.  I have adopted several FE LV+
cats.  I was asked if I could take on one more for the shelter and did.
Last night I was asked if I would be willing to take two more from a
neighboring shelter.  I was unable to do that and they were euthanized
today. That shelter is not interested in rescue groups or putting any money
or other resources into cats that are Fe Lv+.   I am looking to find Fe Lv
rescues that are in the NY/PA/OH areas that I could contact to see if in
the future I could take cats in need to so that they are not euthanized.

Thank you for any suggestions and assistance!!
-Pam


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From merrykatmeows at email.com  Thu Jun  8 06:18:10 2017
From: merrykatmeows at email.com (kat)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:18:10 +0200
Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia rescue groups...
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From Sheila.Armstrong-Brown at ssa.gov  Thu Jun  8 06:23:40 2017
From: Sheila.Armstrong-Brown at ssa.gov (Armstrong-Brown, Sheila   DDS Timonium)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 11:23:40 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia rescue groups...
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There is a shelter in Harrisburg PA called Best Little Cat house in PA.  they take FELV and FIV cats.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kat
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 7:18 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia rescue groups...

Pam,

I do not know any shelters in your area, but I want to tell you that you are an angel for these kitties!!
Thank you for all you do.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 at 6:26 PM
From: "Pam Doore" <thyme2sail at gmail.com<mailto:thyme2sail at gmail.com>>
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia rescue groups...
Hi all,  I am with a shelter in Western NY.  I have adopted several FE LV+ cats.  I was asked if I could take on one more for the shelter and did.  Last night I was asked if I would be willing to take two more from a neighboring shelter.  I was unable to do that and they were euthanized today. That shelter is not interested in rescue groups or putting any money or other resources into cats that are Fe Lv+.   I am looking to find Fe Lv rescues that are in the NY/PA/OH areas that I could contact to see if in the future I could take cats in need to so that they are not euthanized.

Thank you for any suggestions and assistance!!
-Pam



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From bchapel at optonline.net  Thu Jun  8 11:06:29 2017
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 12:06:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
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I'm a little confused at this point.... there are many condolence notes 
here but thte last that I read Annie wasn't doing well but her blood 
work did not suggest that she was likely to pass in the next few days..
Has there been any change???? If she did die I am of course VERY sorry.. 
but I am hoping not...
Please let us know...

BOb


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From bchapel at optonline.net  Thu Jun  8 11:06:29 2017
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 12:06:29 -0400 (EDT)
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I'm a little confused at this point.... there are many condolence notes 
here but thte last that I read Annie wasn't doing well but her blood 
work did not suggest that she was likely to pass in the next few days..
Has there been any change???? If she did die I am of course VERY sorry.. 
but I am hoping not...
Please let us know...

BOb


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From bchapel at optonline.net  Thu Jun  8 11:20:56 2017
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 12:20:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
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My latest boy.... Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous 
Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is 
beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his 
paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off 
and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking 
motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw....
I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the 
shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted 
to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or 
amelioration....? I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to 
have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, 
in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day 
or exploring a little bit.....? As predicted I am going to be 
heartbroken when he passes.... I thought that knowing in advance that I 
was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but 
apparently I am not built that way.... this boy is one of the sweetest, 
gentlest cats I have ever met.... all he wants is to be near people...to 
sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the 
" ignore" center in his brain : )...? The fact that his balance is a 
little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the 
affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into 
his? genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about 
watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...?? Have 
any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put 
your cats into a stupor....?? I'm worried about my boy because he is 
already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... 
would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something 
and missisng......?? Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" 
room... but that is a last resort thing..... I took him from the shelter 
so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein 
for as long as I can.....
Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute....

Bob


>


From bchapel at optonline.net  Thu Jun  8 11:20:56 2017
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 12:20:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
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My latest boy.... Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous 
Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is 
beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his 
paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off 
and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking 
motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw....
I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the 
shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted 
to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or 
amelioration....? I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to 
have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, 
in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day 
or exploring a little bit.....? As predicted I am going to be 
heartbroken when he passes.... I thought that knowing in advance that I 
was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but 
apparently I am not built that way.... this boy is one of the sweetest, 
gentlest cats I have ever met.... all he wants is to be near people...to 
sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the 
" ignore" center in his brain : )...? The fact that his balance is a 
little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the 
affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into 
his? genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about 
watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...?? Have 
any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put 
your cats into a stupor....?? I'm worried about my boy because he is 
already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... 
would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something 
and missisng......?? Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" 
room... but that is a last resort thing..... I took him from the shelter 
so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein 
for as long as I can.....
Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute....

Bob


>


From dlgegg at windstream.net  Thu Jun  8 11:26:23 2017
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 11:26:23 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
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Message-ID: <20170608122623.GL9NZ.275.root@pamxwww03-z01>

The doctor said she felt the one kidney was enlarged and firm.  She got so stressed from the bloodwork that she was given oxygen for 5 minutes.  They also gave her fluids and I brought a bag home to give her more every 3 days.  By the time I got home, she had perked up and ate a small can of food.  She seemed normal until the moment of death when she howled in pain and collapsed in my lap.  Apparently the kidney problem had been going on longer than we knew and of coure, she did not act diffrent until the day she stopped eating and that is the day I took her to the vet.  She had been loosing weight over the last year and we started her on kitten food to increase weight.  I am afraid I missed something.  The next time there is any weight loss, we will do a full workup and a more detailed blood work.  And check the kidneys.  With th beginning of seeing Annie, the vet began to do research on FELV and has learned that any abnormality in kidney size, shape and firmness and blood results is a sure sign of FELV at work.  She said any thing that says kidney malfunction will be a sign that we concentrate on testing to find out what is going on.  She had ordered the Doxy and is willing to do Winstrol and has a pharamist nearby who will compound anything we need.  That is one step in the right direction.
Annie died at 8:00 pm the night we went to the vet but at least she was at home, in my lap and had a few hours of feeling better.

---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
> I'm a little confused at this point.... there are many condolence notes 
here but thte last that I read Annie wasn't doing well but her blood 
work did not suggest that she was likely to pass in the next few days..
Has there been any change???? If she did die I am of course VERY sorry.. 
but I am hoping not...
Please let us know...

BOb


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From bchapel at optonline.net  Thu Jun  8 11:35:47 2017
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 12:35:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Shelters and Sanctuaries for FelV
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16.1496874425.100878.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
References: <mailman.16.1496874425.100878.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
Message-ID: <648da752.4839e.15c888fd83a.Webtop.37@optonline.net>

  Pam...


Loveandhopeforanimals????? http://loveandhopeforanimals.org
  (a well funded operation in Upstate New York) ? ? ? and ? ?? 
Aslanscats?????? also in the Northeast
Are the only ones that come to mind at the moment...??? Also you might 
give a look at? Seer Farms? in Lakewood NJ.???? These are the only ones 
that are driveable distance from where I get the impression you are 
from.....??? I know there are others but the small operations are often 
questionable as they are often well meaning but frequently so 
underfunded that the animals do not get adequate care....? I don't think 
most of us want to send these more unfortunate creatures simply off to a 
place that will treat them like Hospice Pets ( unless they are truly 
close to death)....???? When I first got my FeLV boys I did a LOT of 
calling around the US to shelters and Sanctuaries that looked after FeLV 
cats and one call led to contacts at another and so on....it's been a 
while but would recommend you do the same.... Frankly... the best care 
info I received was from this group... but that does not obviate the 
possibility that there are others out there that have execellent 
suggestions or resources that would be helpful......?? Sorry I can't 
provide more but , though retired, I'm swamped with things that MUST be 
done today...

Bob








From bchapel at optonline.net  Thu Jun  8 11:35:47 2017
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 12:35:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Shelters and Sanctuaries for FelV
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16.1496874425.100878.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
References: <mailman.16.1496874425.100878.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
Message-ID: <648da752.4839e.15c888fd83a.Webtop.37@optonline.net>

  Pam...


Loveandhopeforanimals????? http://loveandhopeforanimals.org
  (a well funded operation in Upstate New York) ? ? ? and ? ?? 
Aslanscats?????? also in the Northeast
Are the only ones that come to mind at the moment...??? Also you might 
give a look at? Seer Farms? in Lakewood NJ.???? These are the only ones 
that are driveable distance from where I get the impression you are 
from.....??? I know there are others but the small operations are often 
questionable as they are often well meaning but frequently so 
underfunded that the animals do not get adequate care....? I don't think 
most of us want to send these more unfortunate creatures simply off to a 
place that will treat them like Hospice Pets ( unless they are truly 
close to death)....???? When I first got my FeLV boys I did a LOT of 
calling around the US to shelters and Sanctuaries that looked after FeLV 
cats and one call led to contacts at another and so on....it's been a 
while but would recommend you do the same.... Frankly... the best care 
info I received was from this group... but that does not obviate the 
possibility that there are others out there that have execellent 
suggestions or resources that would be helpful......?? Sorry I can't 
provide more but , though retired, I'm swamped with things that MUST be 
done today...

Bob








From dlgegg at windstream.net  Thu Jun  8 12:03:45 2017
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 12:03:45 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
In-Reply-To: <18d18fc6.48363.15c8882415c.Webtop.37@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20170608130345.BMKG6.382.root@pamxwww03-z01>

While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around his favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs.  This way he could still be free to roam.  I hope you will find some meds for him and he can be close to you when the time comes.  As for not getting attached, that is impossible.  Five minutes after they are with you, you have lost.  God b e with you both and give him a peaceful passing.

---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
> My latest boy.... Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous 
Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is 
beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his 
paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off 
and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking 
motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw....
I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the 
shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted 
to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or 
amelioration....? I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to 
have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, 
in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day 
or exploring a little bit.....? As predicted I am going to be 
heartbroken when he passes.... I thought that knowing in advance that I 
was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but 
apparently I am not built that way.... this boy is one of the sweetest, 
gentlest cats I have ever met.... all he wants is to be near people...to 
sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the 
" ignore" center in his brain : )...? The fact that his balance is a 
little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the 
affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into 
his? genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about 
watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...?? Have 
any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put 
your cats into a stupor....?? I'm worried about my boy because he is 
already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... 
would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something 
and missisng......?? Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" 
room... but that is a last resort thing..... I took him from the shelter 
so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein 
for as long as I can.....
Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute....

Bob


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From sheri7177 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 13:14:58 2017
From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge)
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 18:14:58 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
In-Reply-To: <20170608130345.BMKG6.382.root@pamxwww03-z01>
References: <18d18fc6.48363.15c8882415c.Webtop.37@optonline.net>
	<20170608130345.BMKG6.382.root@pamxwww03-z01>
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Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will undoubtedly
be difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to give them the
quality of life they deserve.

My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little syringes that
went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It can make them sleepy
but I don't think it put him in a stupor.

I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them struggle.

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM <dlgegg at windstream.net> wrote:

> While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around
> his favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs.  This
> way he could still be free to roam.  I hope you will find some meds for him
> and he can be close to you when the time comes.  As for not getting
> attached, that is impossible.  Five minutes after they are with you, you
> have lost.  God b e with you both and give him a peaceful passing.
>
> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote:
> > My latest boy.... Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous
> Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is
> beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his
> paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off
> and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking
> motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw....
> I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the
> shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted
> to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or
> amelioration....  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to
> have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently,
> in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day
> or exploring a little bit.....  As predicted I am going to be
> heartbroken when he passes.... I thought that knowing in advance that I
> was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but
> apparently I am not built that way.... this boy is one of the sweetest,
> gentlest cats I have ever met.... all he wants is to be near people...to
> sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the
> " ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a
> little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the
> affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into
> his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about
> watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...   Have
> any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put
> your cats into a stupor....   I'm worried about my boy because he is
> already less than able with his balance and I am not always home...
> would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something
> and missisng......   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe"
> room... but that is a last resort thing..... I took him from the shelter
> so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein
> for as long as I can.....
> Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute....
>
> Bob
>
>
> >
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From bchapel at optonline.net  Thu Jun  8 13:27:35 2017
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 14:27:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
In-Reply-To: <mailman.38.1496945720.100878.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
References: <mailman.38.1496945720.100878.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
Message-ID: <3c75fb55.48607.15c88f6357e.Webtop.37@optonline.net>

Thanks Sheri...

The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for 
Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I 
have a LOT of experience with? _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my 
Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a 
while...?? I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a 
bit...?? may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the 
group if they've used other things...? Particularly since Gilberts mouth 
hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or 
something that could be added to his food....?? The only reliable way to 
medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ...?? so I 
guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer 
period of more comfort...
>


From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Thu Jun  8 14:17:38 2017
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 19:17:38 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
In-Reply-To: <3c75fb55.48607.15c88f6357e.Webtop.37@optonline.net>
References: <mailman.38.1496945720.100878.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
	<3c75fb55.48607.15c88f6357e.Webtop.37@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE3016701A917@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local>

Bob - one thing to also consider is that you might get some reprieve by reducing the size of the tumour or more correctly, the swelling (edema) around the tumour, through the use of predisone/prednisolone and/or other meds like mannitol or decadron.

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

Thanks Sheri...

The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience with? _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while...?? I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit...?? may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things...? Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or something that could be added to his food....?? The only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ...?? so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more comfort...
>

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From thyme2sail at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 15:58:54 2017
From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 16:58:54 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] Shelters and Sanctuaries for FelV
In-Reply-To: <648da752.4839e.15c888fd83a.Webtop.37@optonline.net>
References: <mailman.16.1496874425.100878.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
	<648da752.4839e.15c888fd83a.Webtop.37@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <CA+-nMsvC5YNOJ=hh5MEr1CqXgu6LASjUVxudTBoJHrfz2fpSfg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, Bob.  I will be in touch with the two that you mentioned.
Before I adopted my momma and her two boys I was looking for rescues to
take them.  I found two; one required $1,000 surrender fee and the other
was a $3,000 surrender fee.  Unfortunately though, and I understand the
financial need to shelters caring for FeLv cats, those two surrender fees
were cost prohibitive.

I am looking forward to learning from this group :-D.

Pam :)
On Jun 8, 2017 12:36 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote:

>  Pam...
>
>
> Loveandhopeforanimals      http://loveandhopeforanimals.org
>  (a well funded operation in Upstate New York)       and
> Aslanscats       also in the Northeast
> Are the only ones that come to mind at the moment...    Also you might
> give a look at  Seer Farms  in Lakewood NJ.     These are the only ones
> that are driveable distance from where I get the impression you are
> from.....    I know there are others but the small operations are often
> questionable as they are often well meaning but frequently so underfunded
> that the animals do not get adequate care....  I don't think most of us
> want to send these more unfortunate creatures simply off to a place that
> will treat them like Hospice Pets ( unless they are truly close to
> death)....     When I first got my FeLV boys I did a LOT of calling around
> the US to shelters and Sanctuaries that looked after FeLV cats and one call
> led to contacts at another and so on....it's been a while but would
> recommend you do the same.... Frankly... the best care info I received was
> from this group... but that does not obviate the possibility that there are
> others out there that have execellent suggestions or resources that would
> be helpful......   Sorry I can't provide more but , though retired, I'm
> swamped with things that MUST be done today...
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From dlgegg at windstream.net  Thu Jun  8 16:14:47 2017
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 16:14:47 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Shelters and Sanctuaries for FelV
In-Reply-To: <CA+-nMsvC5YNOJ=hh5MEr1CqXgu6LASjUVxudTBoJHrfz2fpSfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170608171447.6DTHI.44140.root@pamxwww02-z01>

I am planning to send my babies to Rustic Hollow in Iowa when  I pass away.  They do ask a fee, but my guys are on special food and this has to cover vet bills also since they will be there for the rest of their lives.  All things considered, it is not too high for me to be sure my babies will have a good home.  They also take FELV positive kitties.

---- Pam Doore <thyme2sail at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Thank you, Bob.  I will be in touch with the two that you mentioned.
> Before I adopted my momma and her two boys I was looking for rescues to
> take them.  I found two; one required $1,000 surrender fee and the other
> was a $3,000 surrender fee.  Unfortunately though, and I understand the
> financial need to shelters caring for FeLv cats, those two surrender fees
> were cost prohibitive.
> 
> I am looking forward to learning from this group :-D.
> 
> Pam :)
> On Jun 8, 2017 12:36 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> >  Pam...
> >
> >
> > Loveandhopeforanimals      http://loveandhopeforanimals.org
> >  (a well funded operation in Upstate New York)       and
> > Aslanscats       also in the Northeast
> > Are the only ones that come to mind at the moment...    Also you might
> > give a look at  Seer Farms  in Lakewood NJ.     These are the only ones
> > that are driveable distance from where I get the impression you are
> > from.....    I know there are others but the small operations are often
> > questionable as they are often well meaning but frequently so underfunded
> > that the animals do not get adequate care....  I don't think most of us
> > want to send these more unfortunate creatures simply off to a place that
> > will treat them like Hospice Pets ( unless they are truly close to
> > death)....     When I first got my FeLV boys I did a LOT of calling around
> > the US to shelters and Sanctuaries that looked after FeLV cats and one call
> > led to contacts at another and so on....it's been a while but would
> > recommend you do the same.... Frankly... the best care info I received was
> > from this group... but that does not obviate the possibility that there are
> > others out there that have execellent suggestions or resources that would
> > be helpful......   Sorry I can't provide more but , though retired, I'm
> > swamped with things that MUST be done today...
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >



From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Thu Jun  8 16:53:52 2017
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 21:53:52 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
In-Reply-To: <3c75fb55.48607.15c88f6357e.Webtop.37@optonline.net>
References: <mailman.38.1496945720.100878.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
	<3c75fb55.48607.15c88f6357e.Webtop.37@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE3016701A9EF@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local>

Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it orally when the mouth hurts.

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

Thanks Sheri...

The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience with? _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while...?? I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit...?? may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things...? Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or something that could be added to his food....?? The only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ...?? so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more comfort...
>

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From toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net  Thu Jun  8 18:18:35 2017
From: toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net (Margo)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 19:18:35 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
Message-ID: <23426720.12856.1496963916165@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>



Buprenex/buprenorphine. It is what I have used in many cats, it's very effective, dose is easily adjusted for each cat, and it's simple to give. I get it from Diamndbackdrugs;

http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/medication-search/?wpv_column_sort_id=post_date&wpv_column_sort_dir=desc&wpv_paged_preload_reach=1&wpv_view_count=1&wpv_post_id=2060&wpcf-name=BUPRENORPHINE&wpv_filter_submit=Search

but most shelters should have it. Oral is best, works the fastest, and just has to go IN the cat's mouth, NOT be swallowed. I had a cat with oral SCC, and she seemed happy and pain free to the end.

Since this is a Foster cat, I don't think the shelter is going to pursue much in the way of treatment, but as Amani said prednisolone can only help. And readily available.

Thank you for being his soft place to fall, and a final loving home. So many never find that. I know how hard it is, please know you are making a huge difference in a small, but very important, life.

Margo

-----Original Message-----
>From: ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net>
>Sent: Jun 8, 2017 12:20 PM
>To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>Cc: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
>
>My latest boy.... Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous 
>Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is 
>beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his 
>paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off 
>and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking 
>motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw....
>I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the 
>shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted 
>to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or 
>amelioration....? I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to 
>have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, 
>in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day 
>or exploring a little bit.....? As predicted I am going to be 
>heartbroken when he passes.... I thought that knowing in advance that I 
>was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but 
>apparently I am not built that way.... this boy is one of the sweetest, 
>gentlest cats I have ever met.... all he wants is to be near people...to 
>sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the 
>" ignore" center in his brain : )...? The fact that his balance is a 
>little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the 
>affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into 
>his? genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about 
>watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...?? Have 
>any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put 
>your cats into a stupor....?? I'm worried about my boy because he is 
>already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... 
>would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something 
>and missisng......?? Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" 
>room... but that is a last resort thing..... I took him from the shelter 
>so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein 
>for as long as I can.....
>Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute....
>
>Bob
>
>
>>
>
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From toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net  Thu Jun  8 18:26:50 2017
From: toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net (Margo)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 19:26:50 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
Message-ID: <13774122.13050.1496964410753@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>



For my girl with the oral cancer, it seemed to help that it was given right at the source of the pain. We got a curved tip syringe and it was tiny at the end. Just slipped between her lips without seeming to cause pain. The injectible was much slower to show effect, as was the transdermal.

But every cat and situation is different. I hope you find something that works for Gilbert


Margo


-----Original Message-----
>From: Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
>Sent: Jun 8, 2017 5:53 PM
>To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
>
>Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it orally when the mouth hurts.
>
>Amani
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM
>To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
>
>Thanks Sheri...
>
>The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience with? _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while...?? I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit...?? may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things...? Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or something that could be added to his food....?? The only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ...?? so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more comfort...
>>
>
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From bchapel at optonline.net  Fri Jun  9 02:08:18 2017
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 03:08:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert...
In-Reply-To: <mailman.43.1496963928.100878.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
References: <mailman.43.1496963928.100878.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
Message-ID: <76bd59b8.a510f.15c8baea994.Webtop.52@optonline.net>

Amani, Margo et al....
Thank you for the input....? I am quite familiar with oral buprenorphine 
having dosed my boys more times than I care to recall...? was hoping 
there might be something else as well but after doing my due diligence 
on the Web it does appear that cats pose significant challenges when 
their pain is not joint related... He's already been on? one course of 
Prednisolone...but...frankly, given his condition I don't know why they 
are not giving it to him chronically..... and yes...I agree..ANY thing 
that can help to reduce inflammation would be a plus...? I was fairly 
into Herbal Tx at one time some years ago but need to look more into it 
for cats... Wasn't particularly impressed at the results I got but 
others swear by Herbs (? potency is so variable it's hard to say for 
certain)....? When I took Gilbert it was WITH the understanding that I 
would be hospice fostering him... not looking for cures but amelioration 
of any discomfort he might have is priority one for ME...? I'm over a 
barrel now because if they don't agree with what i feel he needs for 
pain I either have to return him to them ( THAT would be very 
difficult... or pay for it myself... and that violates the terms of 
fostering the cat....? But... I doubt they would have an issue.... they 
already know what I will propose if they don't agree.... Buprenorphine 
isn't prohibitively expensive if purchased in vials and I fill the 
syringes myself... it would be if it were purchased FROM a vet in 
prefilled syringes....? Fortunately he does not yet appear to be in 
MAJOR pain ( not hiding out, vocalizing, getting aggressive or ceasing 
eating..... but his IS uncomfortable and this will doubtless progress as 
the tumor grows.....?? Will discuss Prednisolone and Buprenorphine with 
the shelter vet and director..

Bob


From bchapel at optonline.net  Fri Jun  9 02:08:18 2017
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 03:08:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert...
In-Reply-To: <mailman.43.1496963928.100878.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
References: <mailman.43.1496963928.100878.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
Message-ID: <76bd59b8.a510f.15c8baea994.Webtop.52@optonline.net>

Amani, Margo et al....
Thank you for the input....? I am quite familiar with oral buprenorphine 
having dosed my boys more times than I care to recall...? was hoping 
there might be something else as well but after doing my due diligence 
on the Web it does appear that cats pose significant challenges when 
their pain is not joint related... He's already been on? one course of 
Prednisolone...but...frankly, given his condition I don't know why they 
are not giving it to him chronically..... and yes...I agree..ANY thing 
that can help to reduce inflammation would be a plus...? I was fairly 
into Herbal Tx at one time some years ago but need to look more into it 
for cats... Wasn't particularly impressed at the results I got but 
others swear by Herbs (? potency is so variable it's hard to say for 
certain)....? When I took Gilbert it was WITH the understanding that I 
would be hospice fostering him... not looking for cures but amelioration 
of any discomfort he might have is priority one for ME...? I'm over a 
barrel now because if they don't agree with what i feel he needs for 
pain I either have to return him to them ( THAT would be very 
difficult... or pay for it myself... and that violates the terms of 
fostering the cat....? But... I doubt they would have an issue.... they 
already know what I will propose if they don't agree.... Buprenorphine 
isn't prohibitively expensive if purchased in vials and I fill the 
syringes myself... it would be if it were purchased FROM a vet in 
prefilled syringes....? Fortunately he does not yet appear to be in 
MAJOR pain ( not hiding out, vocalizing, getting aggressive or ceasing 
eating..... but his IS uncomfortable and this will doubtless progress as 
the tumor grows.....?? Will discuss Prednisolone and Buprenorphine with 
the shelter vet and director..

Bob


From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Sun Jun 11 03:18:40 2017
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 08:18:40 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
In-Reply-To: <13774122.13050.1496964410753@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <13774122.13050.1496964410753@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE3016701ACB6@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local>

Hi Margo

My vet has mentioned to me that the transdermal isn?t always dependable, and that different clients have had different experiences with it. I personally prefer it because it avoids having to put something in the cat's mouth, and especially with a really sick cat who may need other medications or food fed to him or her, it is just one less thing to have to get into their mouths. I have never had a problem with the effectiveness of the transdermal. However, I agree with you that an immediate absorption of the buprenorphine close to the site you want to effect, is a good option. That is a reason I like the transdermal in the ear as well, since it is fairly close to the mouth as well.

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: June-08-17 7:27 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..



For my girl with the oral cancer, it seemed to help that it was given right at the source of the pain. We got a curved tip syringe and it was tiny at the end. Just slipped between her lips without seeming to cause pain. The injectible was much slower to show effect, as was the transdermal.

But every cat and situation is different. I hope you find something that works for Gilbert


Margo


-----Original Message-----
>From: Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
>Sent: Jun 8, 2017 5:53 PM
>To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
>
>Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it orally when the mouth hurts.
>
>Amani
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM
>To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
>
>Thanks Sheri...
>
>The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience with? _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while...?? I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit...?? may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things...? Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or something that could be added to his food....?? The only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ...?? so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more comfort...
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Felvtalk mailing list
>Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
>_______________________________________________
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From dlgegg at windstream.net  Sun Jun 11 14:37:52 2017
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 14:37:52 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
In-Reply-To: <E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE3016701ACB6@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local>
Message-ID: <20170611153752.X6GUB.1015.root@pamxwww08-z01>

Anything that avoids putting things into their mouths is good by me.  Even Annie as sick as she was, she fought like a full grown tiger.  It was hard to hold her and administer the meds at the same time and I did not know anyone who was willing to help me.  Plus, she was is such a state by the time we finished that I felt guilty for doing this to her.

---- Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Hi Marge
> 
> My vet has mentioned to me that the transdermal isn?t always dependable, and that different clients have had different experiences with it. I personally prefer it because it avoids having to put something in the cat's mouth, and especially with a really sick cat who may need other medications or food fed to him or her, it is just one less thing to have to get into their mouths. I have never had a problem with the effectiveness of the transdermal. However, I agree with you that an immediate absorption of the buprenorphine close to the site you want to effect, is a good option. That is a reason I like the transdermal in the ear as well, since it is fairly close to the mouth as well.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
> Sent: June-08-17 7:27 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
> 
> 
> 
> For my girl with the oral cancer, it seemed to help that it was given right at the source of the pain. We got a curved tip syringe and it was tiny at the end. Just slipped between her lips without seeming to cause pain. The injectible was much slower to show effect, as was the transdermal.
> 
> But every cat and situation is different. I hope you find something that works for Gilbert
> 
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
> >Sent: Jun 8, 2017 5:53 PM
> >To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
> >
> >Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it orally when the mouth hurts.
> >
> >Amani
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> >Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM
> >To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
> >
> >Thanks Sheri...
> >
> >The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience with? _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while...?? I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit...?? may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things...? Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or something that could be added to his food....?? The only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ...?? so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more comfort...
> >>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Felvtalk mailing list
> >Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >_______________________________________________
> >Felvtalk mailing list
> >Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> 
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From kathstix at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 07:51:58 2017
From: kathstix at gmail.com (Katherine K.)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:51:58 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] Krammer
Message-ID: <CALsLj91kXMAD2hvfGZ_WKprdMuY7WLJm7rOhMKUCt-gUJOh0_A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone, please keep my 14 year old tuxedo boy in your thoughts today.
Krammie declined over the weekend and was very lethargic, not eating much,
and has the sneezes and sniffles (he has a nasal tumor which is causing to
the last part).  I dropped him at the vet this morning for monitoring while
I am at work. Thank you.

Katherine
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From merrykatmeows at email.com  Mon Jun 12 08:00:14 2017
From: merrykatmeows at email.com (kat)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 15:00:14 +0200
Subject: [Felvtalk] Krammer
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From sheri7177 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 09:32:33 2017
From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 14:32:33 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Krammer
In-Reply-To: <trinity-778e8e3a-170e-43d0-a9ec-30c24c073907-1497272414489@3capp-mailcom-lxa16>
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Keeping you and Krammie in my thoughts today, I hope he is feeling better
tonight. Please let us know how you're both doing when you can.

Sheri

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017, 9:00 AM kat <merrykatmeows at email.com> wrote:

> Prayers & Hugs for both Krammer & you.
>
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 12, 2017 at 8:51 AM
> *From:* "Katherine K." <kathstix at gmail.com>
> *To:* "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" <Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Krammer
> Hi everyone, please keep my 14 year old tuxedo boy in your thoughts today.
> Krammie declined over the weekend and was very lethargic, not eating much,
> and has the sneezes and sniffles (he has a nasal tumor which is causing to
> the last part).  I dropped him at the vet this morning for monitoring while
> I am at work. Thank you.
>
> Katherine
> _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list
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From j13w0lson at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 10:40:52 2017
From: j13w0lson at gmail.com (Jennifer Olson)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 10:40:52 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CAN4iT49ZUDnco-LpvoC4nLXsXuv0pjO_6_S3Oor9+cbUsG_xBg@mail.gmail.com>

Praying for Krammie & you.
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From kathstix at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 11:42:31 2017
From: kathstix at gmail.com (Katherine K.)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 12:42:31 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] Krammer
In-Reply-To: <CAP441W9_5smqKuFhpVWbD7x8W5kwUAA9AHr6Jy5ZeWhnJxa-mA@mail.gmail.com>
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He doesn't have a fever and his weight is steady, so I'm bringing him home
with subcu fluids and a dose of appetite stimulate. I already opted not to
do chemo for the nasal tumor so we're just enjoying life with him one day
at a time.

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Sheri Burbridge <sheri7177 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Keeping you and Krammie in my thoughts today, I hope he is feeling better
> tonight. Please let us know how you're both doing when you can.
>
> Sheri
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017, 9:00 AM kat <merrykatmeows at email.com> wrote:
>
>> Prayers & Hugs for both Krammer & you.
>>
>> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 12, 2017 at 8:51 AM
>> *From:* "Katherine K." <kathstix at gmail.com>
>> *To:* "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" <Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
>> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Krammer
>> Hi everyone, please keep my 14 year old tuxedo boy in your thoughts
>> today. Krammie declined over the weekend and was very lethargic, not eating
>> much, and has the sneezes and sniffles (he has a nasal tumor which
>> is causing to the last part).  I dropped him at the vet this morning for
>> monitoring while I am at work. Thank you.
>>
>> Katherine
>> _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list
>> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/
>> mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
>>
>
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From ardyr at centurytel.net  Mon Jun 12 19:01:44 2017
From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 19:01:44 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
In-Reply-To: <CAP441W_y8O6GNAJTfXJE5htzz4fPQv-_pyRbB5zZUnR6b3s8Sw@mail.gmail.com>
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I am probably a little late responding ? I didn?t check my emails for a few days, but I used buprenorphine on my Tigger also for his pain. One night during the night he came running and jumped up in bed with us and was showing signs of pain. I cut the dose in fourths, so I was giving him the smallest amount that would work, and I gave it to him in a syringe without the needle part. He seemed to ask for it. It did not make him drowsy, and worked very fast.

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Burbridge
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:15 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert

 

Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will undoubtedly be difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to give them the quality of life they deserve. 

My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little syringes that went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It can make them sleepy but I don't think it put him in a stupor.

I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them struggle.

 

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM <dlgegg at windstream.net <mailto:dlgegg at windstream.net> > wrote:

While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around his favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs.  This way he could still be free to roam.  I hope you will find some meds for him and he can be close to you when the time comes.  As for not getting attached, that is impossible.  Five minutes after they are with you, you have lost.  God b e with you both and give him a peaceful passing.

---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net <mailto:bchapel at optonline.net> > wrote:
> My latest boy.... Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous
Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is
beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his
paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off
and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking
motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw....
I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the
shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted
to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or
amelioration....  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to
have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently,
in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day
or exploring a little bit.....  As predicted I am going to be
heartbroken when he passes.... I thought that knowing in advance that I
was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but
apparently I am not built that way.... this boy is one of the sweetest,
gentlest cats I have ever met.... all he wants is to be near people...to
sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the
" ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a
little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the
affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into
his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about
watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...   Have
any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put
your cats into a stupor....   I'm worried about my boy because he is
already less than able with his balance and I am not always home...
would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something
and missisng......   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe"
room... but that is a last resort thing..... I took him from the shelter
so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein
for as long as I can.....
Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute....

Bob


>

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From bchapel at optonline.net  Mon Jun 12 19:43:56 2017
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 20:43:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10.1497312115.777394.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
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Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds....? I was hoping there 
was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are 
many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is 
mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got them 
to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already 
helping....HOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had used 
larger doses than 5mg BID..
This is a cat? that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one 
never knows....? I don't want to play " fast and loose"? with his other 
organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want him 
comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended up 
screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...? I 
did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and found it 
very hard to obtain definitive information....? Probably need to go to 
original Vet Sources....? Sure hope kitties have natural endorphins that 
keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard to find stuff that 
will help their pain....
BTW...? I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in 
REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred)
He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and climbing 
things he had NO business being on ...considering that the drug had 
completely screwed up his balance...? He acted like a drunk essentially 
until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( which he did most 
of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in obvious pain for at 
least 10 hours!!...??


From dlgegg at windstream.net  Tue Jun 13 05:57:38 2017
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 5:57:38 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
In-Reply-To: <6f88c64d.a4f7c.15c9ee83388.Webtop.43@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20170613065738.9WI82.469.root@pamxwww07-z01>

Just like in human medicine, things help one problem and cause another.  It seems to come down to which problem is the worst or least bad.  Just read in Mercola about gene editing to change a person's genetic code.  There are unwanted edits which can be harmful.  To make a decision for our babies, is hard.  If I had been able to stop Annie's pain, I think I would have done anything, but at what cost to her.  It is like giving steroids to stop knee pain.  They dissolve bone and cause so many other problems, it is not worth it.  I found that out when the dr gave me the shots in my knees.  My blood sugar shot up to 700 for about 3 days.  I now take hyaleuronic injections that do not affect my blood sugar.  In fact they don't seem to have any side effects.  They cost almost twice as much but last for 6 months so the cost comes out the same.  I just wish they could talk so they could tell us when and where  they hurt, but their instinct is to hide pain so predators will not know they are disabled in any way.  

---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
> 

Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds....? I was hoping there 
was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are 
many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is 
mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got them 
to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already 
helping....HOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had used 
larger doses than 5mg BID..
This is a cat? that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one 
never knows....? I don't want to play " fast and loose"? with his other 
organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want him 
comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended up 
screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...? I 
did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and found it 
very hard to obtain definitive information....? Probably need to go to 
original Vet Sources....? Sure hope kitties have natural endorphins that 
keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard to find stuff that 
will help their pain....
BTW...? I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in 
REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred)
He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and climbing 
things he had NO business being on ...considering that the drug had 
completely screwed up his balance...? He acted like a drunk essentially 
until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( which he did most 
of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in obvious pain for at 
least 10 hours!!...??

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From dlgegg at windstream.net  Tue Jun 13 06:01:33 2017
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 6:01:33 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
In-Reply-To: <000001d2e3d8$3f255ce0$bd7016a0$@centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <20170613070133.1A6HD.476.root@pamxwww07-z01>

I am keeping my vet up to date on things that have worked in the past for other FELV kitties so she can add them to her arsenal and study them on her own.  I am so glad to have found someone who is willing to work with me and at least check it out for herself.  

---- Ardy Robertson <ardyr at centurytel.net> wrote: 
> I am probably a little late responding ? I didn?t check my emails for a few days, but I used buprenorphine on my Tigger also for his pain. One night during the night he came running and jumped up in bed with us and was showing signs of pain. I cut the dose in fourths, so I was giving him the smallest amount that would work, and I gave it to him in a syringe without the needle part. He seemed to ask for it. It did not make him drowsy, and worked very fast.
> 
> Ardy
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Burbridge
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:15 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will undoubtedly be difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to give them the quality of life they deserve. 
> 
> My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little syringes that went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It can make them sleepy but I don't think it put him in a stupor.
> 
> I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them struggle.
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM <dlgegg at windstream.net <mailto:dlgegg at windstream.net> > wrote:
> 
> While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around his favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs.  This way he could still be free to roam.  I hope you will find some meds for him and he can be close to you when the time comes.  As for not getting attached, that is impossible.  Five minutes after they are with you, you have lost.  God b e with you both and give him a peaceful passing.
> 
> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net <mailto:bchapel at optonline.net> > wrote:
> > My latest boy.... Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous
> Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is
> beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his
> paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off
> and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking
> motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw....
> I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the
> shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted
> to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or
> amelioration....  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to
> have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently,
> in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day
> or exploring a little bit.....  As predicted I am going to be
> heartbroken when he passes.... I thought that knowing in advance that I
> was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but
> apparently I am not built that way.... this boy is one of the sweetest,
> gentlest cats I have ever met.... all he wants is to be near people...to
> sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the
> " ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a
> little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the
> affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into
> his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about
> watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...   Have
> any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put
> your cats into a stupor....   I'm worried about my boy because he is
> already less than able with his balance and I am not always home...
> would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something
> and missisng......   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe"
> room... but that is a last resort thing..... I took him from the shelter
> so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein
> for as long as I can.....
> Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute....
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> >
> 
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From felinerescue at frontier.com  Wed Jun 14 09:43:07 2017
From: felinerescue at frontier.com (Lorrie)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 10:43:07 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
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Message-ID: <20170614144306.GA784@lnx12.netgear.com>

On 06-12, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds....? I was hoping there 
> was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are 
> many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is 
> mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got them 
> to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already 
> helping....HOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had used 
> larger doses than 5mg BID..

Do you mean .5ml which is half of a 1ml syringe?

My IBD cat gets .5 of prednisolone once a day and is doing very well
on it.  It does affect a cats immune system which is why it works
well with inflamatory problems like IBD (Inflamatory Bowel Disease),
but I never heard of using steroids for FelV positive cats, since
their immune systems are already compromised.  I will be very
interested in hearing about this.  Perhaps I missed some of your
posts.

Lorrie





From marilyn at marilynlitt.com  Sun Jun 18 17:18:24 2017
From: marilyn at marilynlitt.com (Marilyn Knapp Litt)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 17:18:24 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
Message-ID: <08a201d2e880$cde54ba0$69afe2e0$@marilynlitt.com>

Has anyone used these for FeLV?

 

My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to find
she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was treating her
and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible
truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.
She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it is
effective.

 

I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.

 

I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info
on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about
boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We thought we were
going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.

 

Thank you!

 

 

~Marilyn Knapp Litt

 

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From thyme2sail at gmail.com  Sun Jun 18 19:17:21 2017
From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:17:21 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
In-Reply-To: <08a201d2e880$cde54ba0$69afe2e0$@marilynlitt.com>
References: <08a201d2e880$cde54ba0$69afe2e0$@marilynlitt.com>
Message-ID: <CA+-nMstnieOYbjmyG_5Q6jH82P4cS5JiGwNbPYnaLPqH-DwPWg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Marilyn,  I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes
virus on top of the FeLu.
There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives
to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what
the name of that was.  It was originally given to humans with HIV.

What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?

~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~

*Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick*


On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com
> wrote:

> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>
>
>
> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to find
> she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was treating
> her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible
> truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.
> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it is
> effective.
>
>
>
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>
>
>
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find
> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about
> boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We thought we were
> going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
>
>
> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
>
>
>
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From swacht1946 at comcast.net  Sun Jun 18 19:44:34 2017
From: swacht1946 at comcast.net (Sandy)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 00:44:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
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Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to get your kitty on this ASAP. 
It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer. 

Sandy W 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Pam Doore" <thyme2sail at gmail.com> 
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 

Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus on top of the FeLu. 
There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. 

What kind of infection is Destiny fighting? 




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On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt < marilyn at marilynlitt.com > wrote: 





Has anyone used these for FeLV? 



My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable. She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is effective. 



I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. 



I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours. 



Thank you! 





~Marilyn Knapp Litt 



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From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Mon Jun 19 00:00:17 2017
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 05:00:17 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
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Marilyn

Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I?ve named Zander?s Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against this nasty virus and you don?t have time to waste.

Zander?s Protocol:         Doxycycline:     25 to 50 mg every 12 hours

                                    Prednisolone:    2.5 mg every 12 hours

                                    Winstrol:           1-2 mg every 12 hours

Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 hours to start. If the results aren?t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be enough.

Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you don?t want to do that, or can?t, consider every other week or at least once a month. I don?t recommend once a month at the outset. You need to assess how well the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess the results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can be modified if necessary.

If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org; thyme2sail at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk)  about Zander's Protocol - consists of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol.  IMPORTANT to get your kitty on this ASAP.
It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer.

Sandy W

________________________________
From: "Pam Doore" <thyme2sail at gmail.com<mailto:thyme2sail at gmail.com>>
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

Hi Marilyn,  I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus on top of the FeLu.
There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the name of that was.  It was originally given to humans with HIV.

What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?



~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~

Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? St. Patrick



On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com<mailto:marilyn at marilynlitt.com>> wrote:

Has anyone used these for FeLV?

My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.  She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it is effective.

I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.

I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.

Thank you!


~Marilyn Knapp Litt


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From swacht1946 at comcast.net  Mon Jun 19 10:08:45 2017
From: swacht1946 at comcast.net (Sandy)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 15:08:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
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Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - and with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to retest?? 

Thank you, 

Sandy W 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Amani Oakley" <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> 
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 



Marilyn 



Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I?ve named Zander?s Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against this nasty virus and you don?t have time to waste. 



Zander?s Protocol: Doxycycline: 25 to 50 mg every 12 hours 



Prednisolone: 2.5 mg every 12 hours 



Winstrol: 1-2 mg every 12 hours 



Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 hours to start. If the results aren?t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be enough. 



Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you don?t want to do that, or can?t, consider every other week or at least once a month. I don?t recommend once a month at the outset. You need to assess how well the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess the results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can be modified if necessary. 



If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract. 




From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy 
Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM 
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org; thyme2sail at gmail.com 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 





Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to get your kitty on this ASAP. 


It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer. 





Sandy W 



----- Original Message -----



From: "Pam Doore" < thyme2sail at gmail.com > 
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 





Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus on top of the FeLu. 


There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. 





What kind of infection is Destiny fighting? 








~~ @ ~~~~~ @ ~~~~~ @ ~~~~~ @ ~~~~~ @ ~~~~ 



Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? St. Patrick 








On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt < marilyn at marilynlitt.com > wrote: 



Has anyone used these for FeLV? 



My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable. She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is effective. 



I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. 



I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours. 



Thank you! 





~Marilyn Knapp Litt 





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From veery at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun 19 10:52:12 2017
From: veery at bellsouth.net (Shelley Theye)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:52:12 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
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Hi Sandy,

I think that it is the old FIV vaccine that you are thinking of.  It is no longer on the market.
Once cats were vaccinated with it they would test positive on a SNAP test.

Cats vaccinated with the FeLV vaccine will not test positive afterwards, at least that I have ever heard.


Shelley 








> On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Sandy <swacht1946 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - and with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to retest??  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Sandy W
> 
> From: "Amani Oakley" <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
> 
> Marilyn
>  
> Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I?ve named Zander?s Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against this nasty virus and you don?t have time to waste.
>  
> Zander?s Protocol:         Doxycycline:     25 to 50 mg every 12 hours
>  
>                                     Prednisolone:    2.5 mg every 12 hours
>  
>                                     Winstrol:           1-2 mg every 12 hours
>  
> Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 hours to start. If the results aren?t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be enough.
>  
> Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you don?t want to do that, or can?t, consider every other week or at least once a month. I don?t recommend once a month at the outset You need to assess how well the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess the results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can be modified if necessary.
>  
> If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract.           
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
> Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org; thyme2sail at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
>  
> Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk)  about Zander's Protocol - consists of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol.  IMPORTANT to get your kitty on this ASAP.
> It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer. 
>  
> Sandy W
>  
> From: "Pam Doore" <thyme2sail at gmail.com <mailto:thyme2sail at gmail.com>>
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
>  
> Hi Marilyn,  I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus on top of the FeLu. 
> There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the name of that was.  It was originally given to humans with HIV. 
>  
> What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?
> 
>  
> ~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~
> 
> Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? St. Patrick
>  
>  
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com <mailto:marilyn at marilynlitt.com>> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>  
> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.  She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it is effective.
>  
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>  
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.
>  
> Thank you!
>  
>  
> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
>  
> 
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From dlgegg at windstream.net  Mon Jun 19 10:56:14 2017
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 10:56:14 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
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I am wondering if colloidial silver would help.  I am soon going in for heart surgery and am taking mine with me to super bug infections.  Can cats take this?  Just a thought.

---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote: 
> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
> 
>  
> 
> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to find
> she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was treating her
> and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible
> truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.
> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it is
> effective.
> 
>  
> 
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
> 
>  
> 
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info
> on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about
> boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We thought we were
> going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
> 
>  
> 



From moonvine at gmail.com  Mon Jun 19 10:56:14 2017
From: moonvine at gmail.com (Kelley S)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 10:56:14 -0500
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No.   A cat vaccinated for FIV can test pos.   Not FELV.

On Sunday, June 18, 2017, Sandy <swacht1946 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk)  about Zander's Protocol - consists
> of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol.  IMPORTANT to
> get your kitty on this ASAP.
> It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may
> test positive for FeLV - a bummer.
>
> Sandy W
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Pam Doore" <thyme2sail at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thyme2sail at gmail.com');>>
> *To: *felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','felvtalk at felineleukemia.org');>
> *Sent: *Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
>
> Hi Marilyn,  I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes
> virus on top of the FeLu.
> There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives
> to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what
> the name of that was.  It was originally given to humans with HIV.
>
> What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?
>
>
> ~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~
>
> *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick*
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt <
> marilyn at marilynlitt.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','marilyn at marilynlitt.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>>
>>
>>
>> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to find
>> she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was treating
>> her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible
>> truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.
>> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it is
>> effective.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find
>> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about
>> boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We thought we were
>> going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
>>
>>
>>
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From bchapel at optonline.net  Mon Jun 19 12:51:25 2017
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:51:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Prednisolone
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Lorrie..
Gilbert is not FeLV... He has a Cancerous Tumor...? I'm giving him 5mg 
of Prednisolone via Tablet
and it has been helping ( though ultimately it may be at a? price).....? 
Shelter appears to want o avoid Suboxone and have provided Gabapentin in 
syringe to try.... Have a feeling that I am , once again, going to have 
to pay if I want to be sure this guy is not in pain.....? This shelter 
is beginning to aggravate me with their backward ways and they are going 
to lose me as a foster parent if this doesn't change...... There are 
other organizations that need assistance and I need more cooperation...
Hoping that the? pred keeps helping for a while...


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> Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds....? I was hoping there 
> was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are 
> many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is 
> mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got 
> them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already 
> helping....HOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had 
> used larger doses than 5mg BID..
> This is a cat? that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one 
> never knows....? I don't want to play " fast and loose"? with his 
> other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want 
> him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended 
> up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...? 
> I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and 
> found it very hard to obtain definitive information....? Probably need 
> to go to original Vet Sources....? Sure hope kitties have natural 
> endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard 
> to find stuff that will help their pain....
> BTW...? I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in 
> REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred)
> He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and 
> climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the 
> drug had completely screwed up his balance...? He acted like a drunk 
> essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( 
> which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in 
> obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!...??
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 5:57:38 -0500
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> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
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> Just like in human medicine, things help one problem and cause 
> another.  It seems to come down to which problem is the worst or least 
> bad.  Just read in Mercola about gene editing to change a person's 
> genetic code.  There are unwanted edits which can be harmful.  To make 
> a decision for our babies, is hard.  If I had been able to stop 
> Annie's pain, I think I would have done anything, but at what cost to 
> her.  It is like giving steroids to stop knee pain.  They dissolve 
> bone and cause so many other problems, it is not worth it.  I found 
> that out when the dr gave me the shots in my knees.  My blood sugar 
> shot up to 700 for about 3 days.  I now take hyaleuronic injections 
> that do not affect my blood sugar.  In fact they don't seem to have 
> any side effects.  They cost almost twice as much but last for 6 
> months so the cost comes out the same.  I just wish they could talk so 
> they could tell us when and where  they hurt, but their instinct is to 
> hide pain so predators will not know they are  disabled in any way.
> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
>>
>
> Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds....? I was hoping there 
> was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are 
> many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is 
> mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got 
> them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already 
> helping....HOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had 
> used larger doses than 5mg BID..
> This is a cat? that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one 
> never knows....? I don't want to play " fast and loose"? with his 
> other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want 
> him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended 
> up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...? 
> I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and 
> found it very hard to obtain definitive information....? Probably need 
> to go to original Vet Sources....? Sure hope kitties have natural 
> endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard 
> to find stuff that will help their pain....
> BTW...? I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in 
> REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred)
> He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and 
> climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the 
> drug had completely screwed up his balance...? He acted like a drunk 
> essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( 
> which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in 
> obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!...??
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 6:01:33 -0500
> From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
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> I am keeping my vet up to date on things that have worked in the past 
> for other FELV kitties so she can add them to her arsenal and study 
> them on her own.  I am so glad to have found someone who is willing to 
> work with me and at least check it out for herself.
> ---- Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>> I am probably a little late responding ? I didn?t check my emails for 
>> a few days, but I used buprenorphine on my Tigger also for his pain. 
>> One night during the night he came running and jumped up in bed with 
>> us and was showing signs of pain. I cut the dose in fourths, so I was 
>> giving him the smallest amount that would work, and I gave it to him 
>> in a syringe without the needle part. He seemed to ask for it. It did 
>> not make him drowsy, and worked very fast.
>>
>> Ardy
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Sheri Burbridge
>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:15 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
>>
>>
>> Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will 
>> undoubtedly be difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to 
>> give them the quality of life they deserve.
>> My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little 
>> syringes that went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It 
>> can make them sleepy but I don't think it put him in a stupor.
>>
>> I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them 
>> struggle.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM  > wrote:
>>
>> While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats 
>> around his favorite up high places in case he falls and block off 
>> stairs.  This way he could still be free to roam.  I hope you will 
>> find some meds for him and he can be close to you when the time 
>> comes.  As for not getting attached, that is impossible.  Five 
>> minutes after they are with you, you have lost.  God b e with you 
>> both and give him a peaceful passing.
>>
>> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL  > wrote:
>>> My latest boy.... Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a 
>>> Cancerous
>> Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, 
>> is
>> beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with 
>> his
>> paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is 
>> off
>> and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking
>> motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his 
>> jaw....
>> I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the
>> shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but 
>> wanted
>> to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control 
>> or
>> amelioration....  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to
>> have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , 
>> apparently,
>> in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the 
>> day
>> or exploring a little bit.....  As predicted I am going to be
>> heartbroken when he passes.... I thought that knowing in advance that 
>> I
>> was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment 
>> but
>> apparently I am not built that way.... this boy is one of the 
>> sweetest,
>> gentlest cats I have ever met.... all he wants is to be near 
>> people...to
>> sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected 
>> the
>> " ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a
>> little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to 
>> the
>> affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into
>> his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous 
>> about
>> watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do... 
>> Have
>> any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely 
>> put
>> your cats into a stupor....   I'm worried about my boy because he is
>> already less than able with his balance and I am not always home...
>> would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on 
>> something
>> and missisng......   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe"
>> room... but that is a last resort thing..... I took him from the 
>> shelter
>> so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein
>> for as long as I can.....
>> Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute....
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 10:43:07 -0400
> From: Lorrie To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
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> On 06-12, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds....? I was hoping there 
>> was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there 
>> are many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter 
>> is mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I 
>> got them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already 
>> helping....HOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had 
>> used larger doses than 5mg BID..
>
> Do you mean .5ml which is half of a 1ml syringe?
>
> My IBD cat gets .5 of prednisolone once a day and is doing very well
> on it.  It does affect a cats immune system which is why it works
> well with inflamatory problems like IBD (Inflamatory Bowel Disease),
> but I never heard of using steroids for FelV positive cats, since
> their immune systems are already compromised.  I will be very
> interested in hearing about this.  Perhaps I missed some of your
> posts.
>
> Lorrie
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 17:18:24 -0500
> From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and 
> Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
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> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>
>
> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to 
> find
> she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was 
> treating her
> and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible
> truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her 
> comfortable.
> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it 
> is
> effective.
>
>
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>
>
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find 
> info
> on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about
> boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We thought we 
> were
> going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 
> hours.
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
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> Hi Marilyn,  I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has 
> herpes
> virus on top of the FeLu.
> There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston 
> gives
> to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember 
> what
> the name of that was.  It was originally given to humans with HIV.
>
> What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?
>
> ~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~
>
> *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within 
> me,
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick*
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt
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From toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 19 16:25:09 2017
From: toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net (Margo)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 17:25:09 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
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From thyme2sail at gmail.com  Mon Jun 19 16:32:27 2017
From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 17:32:27 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
In-Reply-To: <19618345.17337.1497907510386@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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That is true for FIV not FeLv :).
On Jun 19, 2017 5:25 PM, "Margo" <toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net> wrote:

> "It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may
> test positive for FeLV - a bummer. "
>
> No. That's FIV.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandy
> Sent: Jun 18, 2017 8:44 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org, thyme2sail at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
>
> Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk)  about Zander's Protocol - consists
> of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol.  IMPORTANT to
> get your kitty on this ASAP.
> It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may
> test positive for FeLV - a bummer.
>
> Sandy W
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Pam Doore" <thyme2sail at gmail.com>
> *To: *felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> *Sent: *Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
>
> Hi Marilyn,  I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes
> virus on top of the FeLu.
> There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives
> to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what
> the name of that was.  It was originally given to humans with HIV.
>
> What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?
>
>
> ~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~
>
> *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick*
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt <
> marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>>
>>
>>
>> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to find
>> she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was treating
>> her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible
>> truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.
>> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it is
>> effective.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find
>> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about
>> boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We thought we were
>> going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
>>
>>
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From marilyn at marilynlitt.com  Mon Jun 19 17:19:56 2017
From: marilyn at marilynlitt.com (Marilyn Knapp Litt)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 17:19:56 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
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This is what our vet told us last week.  When we found out our Destiny had FeLV, we took our four other cats in.  They were all fine except one, Blossom.  She is 16 and basically has one kidney, but seemed to be fine with the meds and diet.  She is FIV!  So not a good month for our cats.  I am using lycine in all their water dishes.

 

Marilyn
Destiny FeLV and sinus infection

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Theye
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:52 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

 

Hi Sandy,

 

I think that it is the old FIV vaccine that you are thinking of.  It is no longer on the market.

Once cats were vaccinated with it they would test positive on a SNAP test.

 

Cats vaccinated with the FeLV vaccine will not test positive afterwards, at least that I have ever heard.

 

 

Shelley 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Sandy <swacht1946 at comcast.net <mailto:swacht1946 at comcast.net> > wrote:

 

Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - and with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to retest??  

 

Thank you,

 

Sandy W

 

  _____  

From: "Amani Oakley" <aoakley at oakleylegal.com <mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com> >
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

 

Marilyn

 

Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I?ve named Zander?s Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against this nasty virus and you don?t have time to waste.

 

Zander?s Protocol:         Doxycycline:     25 to 50 mg every 12 hours

 

                                    Prednisolone:    2.5 mg every 12 hours

 

                                    Winstrol:           1-2 mg every 12 hours

 

Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 hours to start. If the results aren?t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be enough.

 

Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you don?t want to do that, or can?t, consider every other week or at least once a month. I don?t recommend once a month at the outset You need to assess how well the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess the results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can be modified if necessary. 

 

If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract.            

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> ; thyme2sail at gmail.com <mailto:thyme2sail at gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

 

Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk)  about Zander's Protocol - consists of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol.  IMPORTANT to get your kitty on this ASAP.

It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer. 

 

Sandy W

 

  _____  

From: "Pam Doore" <thyme2sail at gmail.com <mailto:thyme2sail at gmail.com> >
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> 
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

 

Hi Marilyn,  I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus on top of the FeLu.  

There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the name of that was.  It was originally given to humans with HIV.  

 

What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?




 

~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~


Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? St. Patrick

 

 

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com <mailto:marilyn at marilynlitt.com> > wrote:




Has anyone used these for FeLV?

 

My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.  She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it is effective.

 

I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.

 

I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.

 

Thank you!

 

 

~Marilyn Knapp Litt

 


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From toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 19 17:26:00 2017
From: toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net (Margo)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 18:26:00 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Prednisolone
Message-ID: <22316876.18774.1497911160491@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>





Robert, I wouldn't worry about the pred. Cats are much more tolerant of it than dogs or humans, and I've had cats on it for years.

It's part of some rescue protocols for cancers, so I'd say go for it.

Wishing Gilbert the best...

Margo


-----Original Message-----
>From: ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net>
>Sent: Jun 19, 2017 1:51 PM
>To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Prednisolone
>
>Lorrie..
>Gilbert is not FeLV... He has a Cancerous Tumor...? I'm giving him 5mg 
>of Prednisolone via Tablet
>and it has been helping ( though ultimately it may be at a? price).....? 
>Shelter appears to want o avoid Suboxone and have provided Gabapentin in 
>syringe to try.... Have a feeling that I am , once again, going to have 
>to pay if I want to be sure this guy is not in pain.....? This shelter 
>is beginning to aggravate me with their backward ways and they are going 
>to lose me as a foster parent if this doesn't change...... There are 
>other organizations that need assistance and I need more cooperation...
>Hoping that the? pred keeps helping for a while...
>
>
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>> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 20:43:56 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: ROBERT CHAPEL To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
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>>
>>
>> Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds....? I was hoping there 
>> was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are 
>> many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is 
>> mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got 
>> them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already 
>> helping....HOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had 
>> used larger doses than 5mg BID..
>> This is a cat? that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one 
>> never knows....? I don't want to play " fast and loose"? with his 
>> other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want 
>> him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended 
>> up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...? 
>> I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and 
>> found it very hard to obtain definitive information....? Probably need 
>> to go to original Vet Sources....? Sure hope kitties have natural 
>> endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard 
>> to find stuff that will help their pain....
>> BTW...? I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in 
>> REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred)
>> He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and 
>> climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the 
>> drug had completely screwed up his balance...? He acted like a drunk 
>> essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( 
>> which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in 
>> obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!...??
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 5:57:38 -0500
>> From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
>> Message-ID: <20170613065738.9WI82.469.root at pamxwww07-z01>
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>>
>> Just like in human medicine, things help one problem and cause 
>> another.  It seems to come down to which problem is the worst or least 
>> bad.  Just read in Mercola about gene editing to change a person's 
>> genetic code.  There are unwanted edits which can be harmful.  To make 
>> a decision for our babies, is hard.  If I had been able to stop 
>> Annie's pain, I think I would have done anything, but at what cost to 
>> her.  It is like giving steroids to stop knee pain.  They dissolve 
>> bone and cause so many other problems, it is not worth it.  I found 
>> that out when the dr gave me the shots in my knees.  My blood sugar 
>> shot up to 700 for about 3 days.  I now take hyaleuronic injections 
>> that do not affect my blood sugar.  In fact they don't seem to have 
>> any side effects.  They cost almost twice as much but last for 6 
>> months so the cost comes out the same.  I just wish they could talk so 
>> they could tell us when and where  they hurt, but their instinct is to 
>> hide pain so predators will not know they are  disabled in any way.
>> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds....? I was hoping there 
>> was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are 
>> many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is 
>> mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got 
>> them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already 
>> helping....HOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had 
>> used larger doses than 5mg BID..
>> This is a cat? that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one 
>> never knows....? I don't want to play " fast and loose"? with his 
>> other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want 
>> him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended 
>> up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...? 
>> I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and 
>> found it very hard to obtain definitive information....? Probably need 
>> to go to original Vet Sources....? Sure hope kitties have natural 
>> endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard 
>> to find stuff that will help their pain....
>> BTW...? I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in 
>> REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred)
>> He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and 
>> climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the 
>> drug had completely screwed up his balance...? He acted like a drunk 
>> essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( 
>> which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in 
>> obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!...??
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 6:01:33 -0500
>> From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
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>> I am keeping my vet up to date on things that have worked in the past 
>> for other FELV kitties so she can add them to her arsenal and study 
>> them on her own.  I am so glad to have found someone who is willing to 
>> work with me and at least check it out for herself.
>> ---- Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>>> I am probably a little late responding ? I didn?t check my emails for 
>>> a few days, but I used buprenorphine on my Tigger also for his pain. 
>>> One night during the night he came running and jumped up in bed with 
>>> us and was showing signs of pain. I cut the dose in fourths, so I was 
>>> giving him the smallest amount that would work, and I gave it to him 
>>> in a syringe without the needle part. He seemed to ask for it. It did 
>>> not make him drowsy, and worked very fast.
>>>
>>> Ardy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>>> Of Sheri Burbridge
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:15 PM
>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will 
>>> undoubtedly be difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to 
>>> give them the quality of life they deserve.
>>> My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little 
>>> syringes that went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It 
>>> can make them sleepy but I don't think it put him in a stupor.
>>>
>>> I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them 
>>> struggle.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM  > wrote:
>>>
>>> While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats 
>>> around his favorite up high places in case he falls and block off 
>>> stairs.  This way he could still be free to roam.  I hope you will 
>>> find some meds for him and he can be close to you when the time 
>>> comes.  As for not getting attached, that is impossible.  Five 
>>> minutes after they are with you, you have lost.  God b e with you 
>>> both and give him a peaceful passing.
>>>
>>> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL  > wrote:
>>>> My latest boy.... Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a 
>>>> Cancerous
>>> Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, 
>>> is
>>> beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with 
>>> his
>>> paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is 
>>> off
>>> and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking
>>> motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his 
>>> jaw....
>>> I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the
>>> shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but 
>>> wanted
>>> to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control 
>>> or
>>> amelioration....  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to
>>> have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , 
>>> apparently,
>>> in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the 
>>> day
>>> or exploring a little bit.....  As predicted I am going to be
>>> heartbroken when he passes.... I thought that knowing in advance that 
>>> I
>>> was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment 
>>> but
>>> apparently I am not built that way.... this boy is one of the 
>>> sweetest,
>>> gentlest cats I have ever met.... all he wants is to be near 
>>> people...to
>>> sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected 
>>> the
>>> " ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a
>>> little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to 
>>> the
>>> affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into
>>> his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous 
>>> about
>>> watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do... 
>>> Have
>>> any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely 
>>> put
>>> your cats into a stupor....   I'm worried about my boy because he is
>>> already less than able with his balance and I am not always home...
>>> would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on 
>>> something
>>> and missisng......   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe"
>>> room... but that is a last resort thing..... I took him from the 
>>> shelter
>>> so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein
>>> for as long as I can.....
>>> Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute....
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 10:43:07 -0400
>> From: Lorrie To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
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>> On 06-12, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds....? I was hoping there 
>>> was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there 
>>> are many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter 
>>> is mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I 
>>> got them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already 
>>> helping....HOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had 
>>> used larger doses than 5mg BID..
>>
>> Do you mean .5ml which is half of a 1ml syringe?
>>
>> My IBD cat gets .5 of prednisolone once a day and is doing very well
>> on it.  It does affect a cats immune system which is why it works
>> well with inflamatory problems like IBD (Inflamatory Bowel Disease),
>> but I never heard of using steroids for FelV positive cats, since
>> their immune systems are already compromised.  I will be very
>> interested in hearing about this.  Perhaps I missed some of your
>> posts.
>>
>> Lorrie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 17:18:24 -0500
>> From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and 
>> Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
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>> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>>
>>
>> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to 
>> find
>> she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was 
>> treating her
>> and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible
>> truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her 
>> comfortable.
>> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it 
>> is
>> effective.
>>
>>
>> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>>
>>
>> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find 
>> info
>> on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about
>> boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We thought we 
>> were
>> going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 
>> hours.
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
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>> Hi Marilyn,  I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has 
>> herpes
>> virus on top of the FeLu.
>> There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston 
>> gives
>> to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember 
>> what
>> the name of that was.  It was originally given to humans with HIV.
>>
>> What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?
>>
>> ~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~
>>
>> *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within 
>> me,
>> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick*
>>
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>> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt
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From swacht1946 at comcast.net  Mon Jun 19 19:51:17 2017
From: swacht1946 at comcast.net (Sandy)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 00:51:17 +0000 (UTC)
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thanks for the clarification 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> 
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:19:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 



This is what our vet told us last week. When we found out our Destiny had FeLV, we took our four other cats in. They were all fine except one, Blossom. She is 16 and basically has one kidney, but seemed to be fine with the meds and diet. She is FIV! So not a good month for our cats. I am using lycine in all their water dishes. 



Marilyn 
Destiny FeLV and sinus infection 




From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Theye 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:52 AM 
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 




Hi Sandy, 





I think that it is the old FIV vaccine that you are thinking of. It is no longer on the market. 


Once cats were vaccinated with it they would test positive on a SNAP test. 





Cats vaccinated with the FeLV vaccine will not test positive afterwards, at least that I have ever heard. 








Shelley 


























On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Sandy < swacht1946 at comcast.net > wrote: 





Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - and with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to retest?? 





Thank you, 





Sandy W 



----- Original Message -----



From: "Amani Oakley" < aoakley at oakleylegal.com > 
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 





Marilyn 





Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I?ve named Zander?s Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against this nasty virus and you don?t have time to waste. 





Zander?s Protocol: Doxycycline: 25 to 50 mg every 12 hours 





Prednisolone: 2.5 mg every 12 hours 





Winstrol: 1-2 mg every 12 hours 





Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 hours to start. If the results aren?t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be enough. 





Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you don?t want to do that, or can?t, consider every other week or at least once a month. I don?t recommend once a month at the outset You need to assess how well the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess the results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can be modified if necessary. 





If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract. 





From: Felvtalk [ mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Sandy 
Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM 
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org ; thyme2sail at gmail.com 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 





Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to get your kitty on this ASAP. 


It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer. 





Sandy W 






From: "Pam Doore" < thyme2sail at gmail.com > 
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 





Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus on top of the FeLu. 


There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. 





What kind of infection is Destiny fighting? 








~~ @ ~~~~~ @ ~~~~~ @ ~~~~~ @ ~~~~~ @ ~~~~ 



Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? St. Patrick 








On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt < marilyn at marilynlitt.com > wrote: 






Has anyone used these for FeLV? 





My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable. She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is effective. 





I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. 





I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours. 





Thank you! 








~Marilyn Knapp Litt 






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From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 07:09:07 -0500
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May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes (not that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.)

 

Thank you,

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marilyn Knapp Litt
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:20 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

 

This is what our vet told us last week.  When we found out our Destiny had FeLV, we took our four other cats in.  They were all fine except one, Blossom.  She is 16 and basically has one kidney, but seemed to be fine with the meds and diet.  She is FIV!  So not a good month for our cats.  I am using lycine in all their water dishes.

 

Marilyn
Destiny FeLV and sinus infection

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Theye
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:52 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

 

Hi Sandy,

 

I think that it is the old FIV vaccine that you are thinking of.  It is no longer on the market.

Once cats were vaccinated with it they would test positive on a SNAP test.

 

Cats vaccinated with the FeLV vaccine will not test positive afterwards, at least that I have ever heard.

 

 

Shelley 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Sandy <swacht1946 at comcast.net <mailto:swacht1946 at comcast.net> > wrote:

 

Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - and with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to retest??  

 

Thank you,

 

Sandy W

 

  _____  

From: "Amani Oakley" <aoakley at oakleylegal.com <mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com> >
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

 

Marilyn

 

Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I?ve named Zander?s Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against this nasty virus and you don?t have time to waste.

 

Zander?s Protocol:         Doxycycline:     25 to 50 mg every 12 hours

 

                                    Prednisolone:    2.5 mg every 12 hours

 

                                    Winstrol:           1-2 mg every 12 hours

 

Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 hours to start. If the results aren?t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be enough.

 

Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you don?t want to do that, or can?t, consider every other week or at least once a month. I don?t recommend once a month at the outset You need to assess how well the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess the results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can be modified if necessary. 

 

If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract.            

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> ; thyme2sail at gmail.com <mailto:thyme2sail at gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

 

Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk)  about Zander's Protocol - consists of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol.  IMPORTANT to get your kitty on this ASAP.

It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer. 

 

Sandy W

 

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From: "Pam Doore" <thyme2sail at gmail.com <mailto:thyme2sail at gmail.com> >
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> 
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM
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Hi Marilyn,  I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus on top of the FeLu.  

There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the name of that was.  It was originally given to humans with HIV.  

 

What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?




 

~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~


Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? St. Patrick

 

 

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com <mailto:marilyn at marilynlitt.com> > wrote:



Has anyone used these for FeLV?

 

My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.  She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it is effective.

 

I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.

 

I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.

 

Thank you!

 

 

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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:50:04 -0500
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Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus.  Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so not harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work.  Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway.  Antibiotic seems to not be working either.  I am feeding cat food with a syringe and she is going to the vet today for a consult on using steroids and Zander's Protocol.

 

Marilyn

 

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May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes (not that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.)

 

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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:04:17 -0400 (EDT)
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I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for 
Herpes...? don't know if there is a lot of data about it's 
ineffectiveness but vets I have gone to insist that it IS 
effective....?? I'd prefer to " believe" at this point rather than to 
feel helpless... there are other anti-virals one can use but they are 
rather expensive and have their share of side effects....? Once again... 
have to weight the benefits against the drawbacks.


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From gloriajhook at verizon.net  Tue Jun 20 14:26:04 2017
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Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes virus - it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!!

-g ??
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> I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective....   I'd prefer to " believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of side effects....  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the drawbacks.
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>> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus.  Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so not harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work.  Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway.  Antibiotic seems to not b



From marilyn at marilynlitt.com  Tue Jun 20 14:40:01 2017
From: marilyn at marilynlitt.com (Marilyn Knapp Litt)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 14:40:01 -0500
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Well put!  My philosophy exactly.  I am doing what I can and what can I do if I accept that common remedies do not work?  For example I take quinine for my restless legs.  The FDA ruled it does not work . . . but it works for me . . . 

Marilyn

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I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective....   I'd prefer to " believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of side effects....  Once again... 
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From amyynoelle at gmail.com  Tue Jun 20 15:02:14 2017
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:02:14 -0500
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Bob, I'm curious if you could link to the study you mention. I've been taking lysine for years to help with my cold sores and I find that it most definitely IS effective at helping suppress them. Maybe it's different for animals. 

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> I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective....   I'd prefer to " believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of side effects....  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the drawbacks.
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>> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus.  Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so not harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work.  Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway.  Antibiotic seems to not be working either.  I am feeding cat food with a syringe and she is going to the vet today for a consult on using steroids and Zander's Protocol.
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I too use lysine for canker sores and I give the gel form to my cats. I
amVERY pleased with quick response.
On Jun 20, 2017 3:26 PM, "Gloria" <gloriajhook at verizon.net> wrote:

> Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes
> virus - it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!!
>
> -g ??
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for
> Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness
> but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective....   I'd prefer to "
> believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other
> anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share
> of side effects....  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the
> drawbacks.
> >
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> virus.  Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so
> not harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it does not
> work.  Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats.
> Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway.
> Antibiotic seems to not b
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From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Tue Jun 20 15:13:11 2017
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 20:13:11 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
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But Amy, I think that's what someone mentioned earlier. It is effective is holding the virus in abeyance, but not in killing the virus. I think if you are dealing with an aggressive virus, it may not be all that effective, but I agree that there doesn't seem to be any downside risk to using it, so why not.

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Glunt
Sent: June-20-17 4:02 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Bob, I'm curious if you could link to the study you mention. I've been taking lysine for years to help with my cold sores and I find that it most definitely IS effective at helping suppress them. Maybe it's different for animals. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective....   I'd prefer to " believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of side effects....  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the drawbacks.
> 
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>> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus.  Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so not harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work.  Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway.  Antibiotic seems to not be working either.  I am feeding cat food with a syringe and she is going to the vet today for a consult on using steroids and Zander's Protocol.
>> 
>> 
>> Marilyn
>> 
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Ardy Robertson
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 7:09 AM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
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>> 
>> 
>> May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes 
>> (not that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.)
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From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Tue Jun 20 15:15:19 2017
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 20:15:19 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
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Actually, to be honest, what I found stopped my cold sore in its tracks and it has NEVER returned was cannabis oil. It was remarkable. The cold sore disappeared after I applied the oil to the sore overnight, and I have never had a reoccurrence since ? I think it has been over a year or close to two now.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: June-20-17 4:11 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine


I too use lysine for canker sores and I give the gel form to my cats. I amVERY pleased with quick response.
On Jun 20, 2017 3:26 PM, "Gloria" <gloriajhook at verizon.net<mailto:gloriajhook at verizon.net>> wrote:
Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes virus - it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!!

-g ??
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net<mailto:bchapel at optonline.net>> wrote:
>
> I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective....   I'd prefer to " believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of side effects....  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the drawbacks.
>
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>> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus.  Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so not harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work.  Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway.  Antibiotic seems to not b


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From gloriajhook at verizon.net  Tue Jun 20 15:24:05 2017
From: gloriajhook at verizon.net (Gloria)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 13:24:05 -0700
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
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Good to know about the oil, too! Thx!

-g ??
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually, to be honest, what I found stopped my cold sore in its tracks and it has NEVER returned was cannabis oil. It was remarkable. The cold sore disappeared after I applied the oil to the sore overnight, and I have never had a reoccurrence since ? I think it has been over a year or close to two now.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore
> Sent: June-20-17 4:11 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>  
> I too use lysine for canker sores and I give the gel form to my cats. I amVERY pleased with quick response.
> 
> On Jun 20, 2017 3:26 PM, "Gloria" <gloriajhook at verizon.net> wrote:
> Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes virus - it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!!
> 
> -g ??
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> > I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective....   I'd prefer to " believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of side effects....  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the drawbacks.
> >
> >
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> >> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus.  Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so not harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work.  Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway.  Antibiotic seems to not b
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From dlgegg at windstream.net  Tue Jun 20 18:28:59 2017
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:28:59 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
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That is the important thing, did it work for you.  That is how I judge nay thing I take.

---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote: 
> Well put!  My philosophy exactly.  I am doing what I can and what can I do if I accept that common remedies do not work?  For example I take quinine for my restless legs.  The FDA ruled it does not work . . . but it works for me . . . 
> 
> Marilyn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:04 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
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> 
> I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective....   I'd prefer to " believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of side effects....  Once again... 
> have to weight the benefits against the drawbacks.
> 
> 
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> > Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the 
> > virus.  Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino 
> > acid, so not harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it 
> > does not work.  Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect 
> > my other cats. Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be 
> > Herpe's anyway.  Antibiotic seems to not be working either.  I am 
> > feeding cat food with a syringe and she is going to the vet today for 
> > a consult on using steroids and Zander's Protocol.
> >
> >
> > Marilyn
> >
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> > Of Ardy Robertson
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 7:09 AM
> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
> >
> >
> > May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes 
> > (not that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.)
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Ardy
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From ardyr at centurytel.net  Tue Jun 20 23:21:02 2017
From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 23:21:02 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
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Where would one purchase cannabis oil? I have actually never had a cold sore, but I was thinking if it works for that, it might be good for other stuff too??.

 

Thank you,

Ardy Robertson, Clerk

Town of Garfield ? Jackson County, WI

N14438 Valleybrook Ln

Osseo  WI  54758

715-533-0661

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:15 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
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Actually, to be honest, what I found stopped my cold sore in its tracks and it has NEVER returned was cannabis oil. It was remarkable. The cold sore disappeared after I applied the oil to the sore overnight, and I have never had a reoccurrence since ? I think it has been over a year or close to two now. 

 

Amani

 

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Sent: June-20-17 4:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

 

I too use lysine for canker sores and I give the gel form to my cats. I amVERY pleased with quick response.

On Jun 20, 2017 3:26 PM, "Gloria" <gloriajhook at verizon.net <mailto:gloriajhook at verizon.net> > wrote:

Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes virus - it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!!

-g ??
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> I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective....   I'd prefer to " believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of side effects....  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the drawbacks.
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From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 02:52:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
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Amy....
I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something 
I held on to...? At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT 
want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was 
useless....? I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather 
insistent that it IS useful....? Yes/No Maybe so? : )? I chose to 
believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for 
reference...? and Amani ( if you happen to read this)? I am getting 
hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when 
something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to 
Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...? With all the Hoopla there must 
be a pony in there somewhere..



From bchapel at optonline.net  Wed Jun 21 01:52:09 2017
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Amy....
I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something 
I held on to...? At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT 
want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was 
useless....? I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather 
insistent that it IS useful....? Yes/No Maybe so? : )? I chose to 
believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for 
reference...? and Amani ( if you happen to read this)? I am getting 
hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when 
something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to 
Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...? With all the Hoopla there must 
be a pony in there somewhere..



From dlgegg at windstream.net  Wed Jun 21 03:26:04 2017
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 3:26:04 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
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I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.

---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
> 


Amy....
I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something 
I held on to...? At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT 
want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was 
useless....? I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather 
insistent that it IS useful....? Yes/No Maybe so? : )? I chose to 
believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for 
reference...? and Amani ( if you happen to read this)? I am getting 
hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when 
something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to 
Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...? With all the Hoopla there must 
be a pony in there somewhere..


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From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Wed Jun 21 12:42:20 2017
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 17:42:20 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
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Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.

Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.

Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 

With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering. 

Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.

Amani

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Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.

---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
> 


Amy....
I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to...? At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless....? I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful....? Yes/No Maybe so? : )? I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference...? and Amani ( if you happen to read this)? I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...? With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere..


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From amyynoelle at gmail.com  Wed Jun 21 13:09:47 2017
From: amyynoelle at gmail.com (Amy Glunt)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 13:09:47 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
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I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. 
Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores. 

Amy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.
> 
> Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> 
> Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 
> 
> With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering. 
> 
> Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net
> Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> 
> I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.
> 
> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
>> 
> 
> 
> Amy....
> I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere..
> 
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From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Wed Jun 21 13:21:15 2017
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:21:15 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
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Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of any kind.

I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, but never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a Google search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find many many people reporting its significant effectiveness and research which found its effectiveness against herpes viruses.

Amani

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Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. 
Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores. 

Amy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.
> 
> Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> 
> Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 
> 
> With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering. 
> 
> Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net
> Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> 
> I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.
> 
> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
>> 
> 
> 
> Amy....
> I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere..
> 
> 
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From bchapel at optonline.net  Wed Jun 21 16:07:42 2017
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 17:07:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Cannabinol
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Amani et al.....
Thank you for the updates and personal experiences... it is apparent 
that I have to do some homework
on the , now, medical uses of this substance....? And, yes, isn't always 
so convenient how laws change when corporations find a way to slide a 
formerly banned substance into the mainstream in such a way as to make 
it palatable to both the government watchdogs and the Drug Warriors....? 
Wonder when they will find new medical uses for Inhaled Tobacco smoke? : 
)??? THAT would be a major coup!!
I'm intrigued about the anti Seizure properties...will definitely be 
looking into this more closely and soon...


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> I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to 
> justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be 
> all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get 
> suspicious.
>
> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
>>
>
>
> Amy....
> I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not 
> something I held on to...? At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and 
> I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for 
> them was useless....? I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were 
> rather insistent that it IS useful....? Yes/No Maybe so? : )? I chose 
> to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for 
> reference...? and Amani ( if you happen to read this)? I am getting 
> hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when 
> something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to 
> Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...? With all the Hoopla there 
> must be a pony in there somewhere..
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 17:42:20 +0000
> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
> [Felvtalk] Lysine
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> Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You 
> will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many 
> positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged 
> when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this 
> substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply 
> because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked 
> with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling 
> that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis 
> on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing 
> was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most 
> scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the 
> scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a 
> pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances 
> from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went 
> from having no known medicinal qualities
>   (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very 
> effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for 
> the drug company.
>
> Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There 
> are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out 
> excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this 
> substance.
>
> Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it 
> for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is 
> unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe 
> forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an 
> hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective 
> would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not 
> only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the 
> children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not 
> legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other 
> states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering 
> these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to 
> back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been 
> confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also 
> been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those 
> suffered by servicemen and women who have served o
>  verseas and have witnessed traumatic events.
> With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma 
> which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were 
> dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in 
> mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with 
> cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed 
> a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no 
> improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently 
> helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of 
> earth-shattering.
> Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have 
> been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is 
> deeply deeply disturbing.
>
> Amani
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of dlgegg at windstream.net
> Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>
> I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to 
> justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be 
> all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get 
> suspicious.
>
> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
>>
>
>
> Amy....
> I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not 
> something I held on to...? At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and 
> I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for 
> them was useless....? I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were 
> rather insistent that it IS useful....? Yes/No Maybe so? : )? I chose 
> to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for 
> reference...? and Amani ( if you happen to read this)? I am getting 
> hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when 
> something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to 
> Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...? With all the Hoopla there 
> must be a pony in there somewhere..
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 13:09:47 -0500
> From: Amy Glunt To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> Message-ID: <9FED8C9C-99AB-4DE7-8BD7-8AA8A4EBE76F at gmail.com>
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>
> I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for 
> them, and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil 
> as a treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in 
> relation to herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been 
> a possible cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or 
> shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live in a red state that 
> doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've 
> had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my 
> outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and 
> fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no 
> longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. Once again, thank you 
> Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You literally 
> saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will 
> save me from the agony of cold sores.
> Amy
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>
>> Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You 
>> will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many 
>> positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged 
>> when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this 
>> substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced 
>> simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency 
>> tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also 
>> appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and 
>> placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all 
>> scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many 
>> obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at 
>> all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. 
>> Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of 
>> the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, 
>> it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualiti
>  es (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very 
> effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for 
> the drug company.
>>
>> Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There 
>> are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out 
>> excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this 
>> substance.
>>
>> Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it 
>> for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is 
>> unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from 
>> severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of 
>> times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly 
>> effective would put these children into complete zombie states. 
>> Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but 
>> doesn?t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in 
>> states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their 
>> whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they 
>> have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in 
>> some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, 
>> when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical 
>> marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, 
>> such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served
>   overseas and have witnessed traumatic events.
>>
>> With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the 
>> glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most 
>> patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently 
>> shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated 
>> with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 
>> showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed 
>> no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be 
>> consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing 
>> short of earth-shattering.
>> Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have 
>> been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is 
>> deeply deeply disturbing.
>>
>> Amani
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of dlgegg at windstream.net
>> Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>>
>> I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to 
>> justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't 
>> be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I 
>> get suspicious.
>>
>> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>> Amy....
>> I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not 
>> something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and 
>> I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for 
>> them was useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were 
>> rather insistent that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose 
>> to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for 
>> reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting 
>> hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect 
>> when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to 
>> Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there 
>> must be a pony in there somewhere..
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:21:15 +0000
> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
> [Felvtalk] Lysine
> Message-ID:
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>
> Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some 
> cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually 
> passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, 
> unfortunately, as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty 
> darned skeptical - having been brought up as a "good girl" who had 
> never ever tried drugs of any kind.
>
> I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin 
> cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore 
> starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some 
> on topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it 
> completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found 
> that it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold 
> sore, but never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then 
> did a Google search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to 
> find many many people reporting its significant effectiveness and 
> research which found its effectiveness against herpes viruses.
>
> Amani
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Amy Glunt
> Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>
> I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for 
> them, and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil 
> as a treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in 
> relation to herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been 
> a possible cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or 
> shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live in a red state that 
> doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've 
> had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my 
> outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and 
> fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no 
> longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. Once again, thank you 
> Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You literally 
> saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will 
> save me from the agony of cold sores.
> Amy
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>
>> Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You 
>> will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many 
>> positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged 
>> when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this 
>> substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced 
>> simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency 
>> tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also 
>> appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and 
>> placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all 
>> scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many 
>> obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at 
>> all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. 
>> Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of 
>> the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, 
>> it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualiti
>  es (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very 
> effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for 
> the drug company.
>>
>> Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There 
>> are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out 
>> excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this 
>> substance.
>>
>> Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it 
>> for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is 
>> unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from 
>> severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of 
>> times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly 
>> effective would put these children into complete zombie states. 
>> Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but 
>> doesn?t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in 
>> states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their 
>> whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they 
>> have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in 
>> some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, 
>> when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical 
>> marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, 
>> such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served
>   overseas and have witnessed traumatic events.
>>
>> With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the 
>> glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most 
>> patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently 
>> shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated 
>> with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 
>> showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed 
>> no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be 
>> consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing 
>> short of earth-shattering.
>> Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have 
>> been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is 
>> deeply deeply disturbing.
>>
>> Amani
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of dlgegg at windstream.net
>> Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>>
>> I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to 
>> justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't 
>> be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I 
>> get suspicious.
>>
>> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>> Amy....
>> I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not 
>> something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and 
>> I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for 
>> them was useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were 
>> rather insistent that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose 
>> to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for 
>> reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting 
>> hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect 
>> when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to 
>> Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there 
>> must be a pony in there somewhere..
>>
>>
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From dlgegg at windstream.net  Wed Jun 21 16:25:53 2017
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 16:25:53 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
In-Reply-To: <E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE3016701D76B@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local>
Message-ID: <20170621172553.JHPI4.76315.root@pamxwww02-z01>

Okay, I am convinced.  Next question is where do you get the safe stuff.  There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady seller.

---- Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of any kind.
> 
> I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, but never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a Google search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find many many people reporting its significant effectiveness and research which found its effectiveness against herpes viruses.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Glunt
> Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> 
> I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. 
> Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores. 
> 
> Amy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.
> > 
> > Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> > 
> > Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 
> > 
> > With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering. 
> > 
> > Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.
> > 
> > Amani
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net
> > Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> > 
> > I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.
> > 
> > ---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > Amy....
> > I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere..
> > 
> > 
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From thyme2sail at gmail.com  Wed Jun 21 19:00:28 2017
From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 20:00:28 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
In-Reply-To: <20170621172553.JHPI4.76315.root@pamxwww02-z01>
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I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two
of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats,
all from Chewy :-).
On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, <dlgegg at windstream.net> wrote:

> Okay, I am convinced.  Next question is where do you get the safe stuff.
> There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady
> seller.
>
> ---- Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some
> cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually
> passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately,
> as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical -
> having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of
> any kind.
> >
> > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin
> cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore
> starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on
> topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it
> completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that
> it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, but
> never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a Google
> search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find many many
> people reporting its significant effectiveness and research which found its
> effectiveness against herpes viruses.
> >
> > Amani
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Amy Glunt
> > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> >
> > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them,
> and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a
> treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to
> herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure,
> and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame!
> And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical
> marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain
> and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving,
> with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some
> cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope.
> > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of
> knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your
> shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores.
> >
> > Amy
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You
> will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive
> effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the
> research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught
> with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise
> of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition,
> needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this
> ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the
> United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned
> completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing
> any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from
> Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to
> extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as
> Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the
> criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug
> which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.
> > >
> > > Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There
> are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent,
> amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> > >
> > > Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it
> for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is
> unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe
> forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour,
> and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these
> children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the
> unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of
> consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have
> literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical
> marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even
> Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing
> medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering
> children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for
> PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served
> overseas and have witnessed traumatic events.
> > >
> > > With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma
> which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead
> within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with
> experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed
> complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the
> development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that
> nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas,
> these results are nothing short of earth-shattering.
> > >
> > > Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have
> been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply
> deeply disturbing.
> > >
> > > Amani
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of dlgegg at windstream.net
> > > Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
> > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > > Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> > >
> > > I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to
> justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all
> that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.
> > >
> > > ---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Amy....
> > > I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not
> something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did
> NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was
> useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent
> that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not
> make a point of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you
> happen to read this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of
> cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for
> everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all
> the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere..
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Felvtalk mailing list
> > > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Felvtalk mailing list
> > > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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> > > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
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From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Wed Jun 21 19:18:09 2017
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 00:18:09 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
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Huh??

Are you sure it is cannabis oil and not a derivative of hemp which is sometimes confusingly called the same thing? Usually you need a prescription and to jump through a million hoops. I don?t think it is easily available. I just went to chewy.com, but don?t see it. I did a search on ?cannabis? and another on ?oil? and nothing came up fitting the bill. I would have been really surprised if something had.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: June-21-17 8:00 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine


I get mine from chewy.com<http://chewy.com>. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats, all from Chewy :-).
On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, <dlgegg at windstream.net<mailto:dlgegg at windstream.net>> wrote:
Okay, I am convinced.  Next question is where do you get the safe stuff.  There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady seller.

---- Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
> Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of any kind.
>
> I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, but never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a Google search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find many many people reporting its significant effectiveness and research which found its effectiveness against herpes viruses.
>
> Amani
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Amy Glunt
> Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>
> I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope.
> Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores.
>
> Amy
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.
> >
> > Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> >
> > Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events.
> >
> > With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering.
> >
> > Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.
> >
> > Amani
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net<mailto:dlgegg at windstream.net>
> > Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
> > Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> >
> > I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.
> >
> > ---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net<mailto:bchapel at optonline.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >
> >
> > Amy....
> > I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere..
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
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From gloriajhook at verizon.net  Wed Jun 21 19:45:26 2017
From: gloriajhook at verizon.net (Gloria)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 17:45:26 -0700
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
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Topic was l-lysine FYI ?

I shop Amazon, Petflow, and many other online pet supply stores and chewy.com has consistently been the best value and customer service. If you choose their autoship you can save more $$on selected products.
They didn't pay me for this-I just want others to know so they'll have more $$ to continue caring for their companions.
I currently care for 15 cats-mostly feral-born. One was diagnosed w/85% chance of FeLV, but if he was infected I believe he was Devinely healed in answer to my prayers for him.
So, with the cost of caring for these precious creatures I'm always looking for the best cost-saving products. :)
Gloria
-g ??
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Pam Doore <thyme2sail at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats, all from Chewy :-).
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, <dlgegg at windstream.net> wrote:
>> Okay, I am convinced.  Next question is where do you get the safe stuff.  There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady seller.
>> 
>> ---- Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>> > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of any kind.
>> >
>> > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, but never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a Google search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find many many people reporting its significant effectiveness and research which found its effectiveness against herpes viruses.
>> >
>> > Amani
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Glunt
>> > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
>> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>> >
>> > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope.
>> > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores.
>> >
>> > Amy
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.
>> > >
>> > > Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
>> > >
>> > > Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events.
>> > >
>> > > With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering.
>> > >
>> > > Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.
>> > >
>> > > Amani
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net
>> > > Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
>> > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> > > Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
>> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>> > >
>> > > I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.
>> > >
>> > > ---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Amy....
>> > > I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere..
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Felvtalk mailing list
>> > > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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From thyme2sail at gmail.com  Wed Jun 21 20:43:42 2017
From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 21:43:42 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
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I was talking about lysine.

~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~

*Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick*


On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
wrote:

> Huh??
>
>
>
> Are you sure it is cannabis oil and not a derivative of hemp which is
> sometimes confusingly called the same thing? Usually you need a
> prescription and to jump through a million hoops. I don?t think it is
> easily available. I just went to chewy.com, but don?t see it. I did a
> search on ?cannabis? and another on ?oil? and nothing came up fitting the
> bill. I would have been really surprised if something had.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Pam Doore
> *Sent:* June-21-17 8:00 PM
> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>
>
>
> I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter.
> Two of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the
> treats, all from Chewy :-).
>
> On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, <dlgegg at windstream.net> wrote:
>
> Okay, I am convinced.  Next question is where do you get the safe stuff.
> There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady
> seller.
>
> ---- Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some
> cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually
> passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately,
> as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical -
> having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of
> any kind.
> >
> > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin
> cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore
> starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on
> topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it
> completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that
> it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, but
> never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a Google
> search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find many many
> people reporting its significant effectiveness and research which found its
> effectiveness against herpes viruses.
> >
> > Amani
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Amy Glunt
> > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> >
> > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them,
> and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a
> treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to
> herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure,
> and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame!
> And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical
> marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain
> and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving,
> with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some
> cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope.
> > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of
> knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your
> shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores.
> >
> > Amy
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You
> will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive
> effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the
> research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught
> with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise
> of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition,
> needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this
> ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the
> United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned
> completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing
> any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from
> Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to
> extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as
> Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the
> criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug
> which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.
> > >
> > > Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There
> are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent,
> amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> > >
> > > Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it
> for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is
> unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe
> forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour,
> and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these
> children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the
> unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of
> consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have
> literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical
> marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even
> Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing
> medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering
> children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for
> PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served
> overseas and have witnessed traumatic events.
> > >
> > > With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma
> which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead
> within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with
> experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed
> complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the
> development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that
> nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas,
> these results are nothing short of earth-shattering.
> > >
> > > Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have
> been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply
> deeply disturbing.
> > >
> > > Amani
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of dlgegg at windstream.net
> > > Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
> > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > > Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> > >
> > > I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to
> justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all
> that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.
> > >
> > > ---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Amy....
> > > I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not
> something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did
> NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was
> useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent
> that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not
> make a point of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you
> happen to read this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of
> cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for
> everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all
> the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere..
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Felvtalk mailing list
> > > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > Felvtalk mailing list
> > > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Felvtalk mailing list
> > > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >
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From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Thu Jun 22 01:16:19 2017
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 06:16:19 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
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Well, I guess that makes sense then!

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: June-21-17 9:44 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

I was talking about lysine.

~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~

Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? St. Patrick

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Huh??

Are you sure it is cannabis oil and not a derivative of hemp which is sometimes confusingly called the same thing? Usually you need a prescription and to jump through a million hoops. I don?t think it is easily available. I just went to chewy.com<http://chewy.com>, but don?t see it. I did a search on ?cannabis? and another on ?oil? and nothing came up fitting the bill. I would have been really surprised if something had.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces@<mailto:felvtalk-bounces@>felineleukemia.org<http://felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: June-21-17 8:00 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine


I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats, all from Chewy :-).
On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, <dlgegg at windstream.net<mailto:dlgegg at windstream.net>> wrote:
Okay, I am convinced.  Next question is where do you get the safe stuff.  There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady seller.

---- Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
> Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of any kind.
>
> I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, but never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a Google search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find many many people reporting its significant effectiveness and research which found its effectiveness against herpes viruses.
>
> Amani
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Glunt
> Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>
> I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope.
> Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores.
>
> Amy
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.
> >
> > Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> >
> > Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events.
> >
> > With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering.
> >
> > Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.
> >
> > Amani
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net<mailto:dlgegg at windstream.net>
> > Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
> > Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> >
> > I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.
> >
> > ---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net<mailto:bchapel at optonline.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >
> >
> > Amy....
> > I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere..
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Felvtalk mailing list
> > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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From dlgegg at windstream.net  Thu Jun 22 07:32:45 2017
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 7:32:45 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
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Thanks.  I got started with amazon when I broke my arm and could not carry heavy bags of liter and food and just stayed there.  Will check out Chewy.

---- Gloria <gloriajhook at verizon.net> wrote: 
> Topic was l-lysine FYI ?
> 
> I shop Amazon, Petflow, and many other online pet supply stores and chewy.com has consistently been the best value and customer service. If you choose their autoship you can save more $$on selected products.
> They didn't pay me for this-I just want others to know so they'll have more $$ to continue caring for their companions.
> I currently care for 15 cats-mostly feral-born. One was diagnosed w/85% chance of FeLV, but if he was infected I believe he was Devinely healed in answer to my prayers for him.
> So, with the cost of caring for these precious creatures I'm always looking for the best cost-saving products. :)
> Gloria
> -g ??
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Pam Doore <thyme2sail at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats, all from Chewy :-).
> > 
> >> On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, <dlgegg at windstream.net> wrote:
> >> Okay, I am convinced.  Next question is where do you get the safe stuff.  There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady seller.
> >> 
> >> ---- Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> >> > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of any kind.
> >> >
> >> > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, but never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a Google search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find many many people reporting its significant effectiveness and research which found its effectiveness against herpes viruses.
> >> >
> >> > Amani
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Glunt
> >> > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
> >> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> >> >
> >> > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope.
> >> > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores.
> >> >
> >> > Amy
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.
> >> > >
> >> > > Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> >> > >
> >> > > Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events.
> >> > >
> >> > > With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering.
> >> > >
> >> > > Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.
> >> > >
> >> > > Amani
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net
> >> > > Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
> >> > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> > > Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
> >> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> >> > >
> >> > > I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.
> >> > >
> >> > > ---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Amy....
> >> > > I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere..
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
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> >> > > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > Felvtalk mailing list
> >> > > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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> >> > > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >> >
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> >> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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From ardyr at centurytel.net  Fri Jun 23 23:12:01 2017
From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 23:12:01 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
In-Reply-To: <E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE3016701D65D@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local>
References: <74feef09.a9c5d.15cc96c3064.Webtop.44@optonline.net>	<20170621042604.CM6GE.74236.root@pamxwww02-z01>
	<E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE3016701D65D@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local>
Message-ID: <00ac01d2eca0$181138b0$4833aa10$@centurytel.net>

Sort of like the stigma surrounding Winstrol due to the misuse of it by an Olympic athlete....... people and animals who could be helped by it are not. People are crazy sometimes.

Ardy

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:42 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.

Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.

Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 

With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering. 

Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net
Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.

---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
> 


Amy....
I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere..


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From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Fri Jun 23 23:16:08 2017
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 04:16:08 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
In-Reply-To: <00ac01d2eca0$181138b0$4833aa10$@centurytel.net>
References: <74feef09.a9c5d.15cc96c3064.Webtop.44@optonline.net>
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Ardy, I think it was precisely because of my experience with Winstrol that I was open to the unthinkable thought that science and scientists weren?t always free to produce unbiased research, even when it could help a lot of animals or people.

I am, first and foremost, a scientist by training and inclination, and this concept was terribly foreign to me when I first stumbled upon the bizarre Winstrol situation. 

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: June-24-17 12:12 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Sort of like the stigma surrounding Winstrol due to the misuse of it by an Olympic athlete....... people and animals who could be helped by it are not. People are crazy sometimes.

Ardy

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:42 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.

Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.

Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 

With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering. 

Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net
Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.

---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
> 


Amy....
I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere..


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From ardyr at centurytel.net  Fri Jun 23 23:15:59 2017
From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 23:15:59 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
In-Reply-To: <9FED8C9C-99AB-4DE7-8BD7-8AA8A4EBE76F@gmail.com>
References: <74feef09.a9c5d.15cc96c3064.Webtop.44@optonline.net>	<20170621042604.CM6GE.74236.root@pamxwww02-z01>	<E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE3016701D65D@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local>
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Amy - could you purchase it online?

I don't remember all the details, but I was told by a pharmacist several years ago (in Wisconsin where I live) that he was able to obtain medical marijuana for a cancer patient, and as far as I know it is not legal here. And of course I do know of people who have access to it, and use it for pain etc. - but I have no idea where they obtain it.
Ardy



-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Glunt
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:10 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. 
Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores. 

Amy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.
> 
> Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> 
> Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 
> 
> With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering. 
> 
> Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net
> Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> 
> I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.
> 
> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
>> 
> 
> 
> Amy....
> I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere..
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
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From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Fri Jun 23 23:17:49 2017
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 04:17:49 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
In-Reply-To: <00ad01d2eca0$a0ce1ab0$e26a5010$@centurytel.net>
References: <74feef09.a9c5d.15cc96c3064.Webtop.44@optonline.net>
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I think they obtain it directly from growers or they go to states where it is legal, or they get a prescription.

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: June-24-17 12:16 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Amy - could you purchase it online?

I don't remember all the details, but I was told by a pharmacist several years ago (in Wisconsin where I live) that he was able to obtain medical marijuana for a cancer patient, and as far as I know it is not legal here. And of course I do know of people who have access to it, and use it for pain etc. - but I have no idea where they obtain it.
Ardy



-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Glunt
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:10 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. 
Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores. 

Amy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.
> 
> Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> 
> Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 
> 
> With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering. 
> 
> Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net
> Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> 
> I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.
> 
> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
>> 
> 
> 
> Amy....
> I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere..
> 
> 
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From marilyn at marilynlitt.com  Fri Jun 23 23:33:36 2017
From: marilyn at marilynlitt.com (Marilyn Knapp Litt)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 23:33:36 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
Message-ID: <156c01d2eca3$0be7a300$23b6e900$@marilynlitt.com>

Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I helped her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis.  The vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative.  On this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut.  The best thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring.

>From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory infection turned out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of this community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice.

Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . . .

Marilyn Knapp Litt

---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote: 
> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
> 
>  
> 
> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to 
> find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was 
> treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out 
> the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.
> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it 
> is effective.
> 
>  
> 
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
> 
>  
> 
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find 
> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion 
> about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We 
> thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
> 
>  
> 



From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Sat Jun 24 01:03:59 2017
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 06:03:59 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
In-Reply-To: <156c01d2eca3$0be7a300$23b6e900$@marilynlitt.com>
References: <156c01d2eca3$0be7a300$23b6e900$@marilynlitt.com>
Message-ID: <E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE3016701E215@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local>

Marilyn

I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to have you caring so much for her. 

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marilyn Knapp Litt
Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny

Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I helped her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis.  The vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative.  On this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut.  The best thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring.

>From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory infection turned out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of this community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice.

Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . . .

Marilyn Knapp Litt

---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote: 
> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
> 
>  
> 
> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to 
> find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was 
> treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out 
> the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.
> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it 
> is effective.
> 
>  
> 
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
> 
>  
> 
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find 
> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion 
> about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We 
> thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
> 
>  
> 


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From ardyr at centurytel.net  Sat Jun 24 08:27:33 2017
From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 08:27:33 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
In-Reply-To: <E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE3016701E215@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local>
References: <156c01d2eca3$0be7a300$23b6e900$@marilynlitt.com>
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Oh Marilyn,
Destiny sounds like she was such a beautiful kitty ------ I'm happy she
didn't have to suffer more.

I am curious though - you said she tested negative for FeLV, and then had
the vaccine and boosters, not exposed to FeLV outside. What more could a pet
owner do! (I hate FeLV!!)

Ardy




-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:04 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

Marilyn

I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to
have you caring so much for her. 

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marilyn Knapp Litt
Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny

Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I helped
her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis.  The
vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative.  On
this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was
able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would
come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut.  The best
thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring.

>From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge
or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and
boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny
enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory infection turned
out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of
this community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice.

Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty
tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw
her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they
finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . .
.

Marilyn Knapp Litt

---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote: 
> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
> 
>  
> 
> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to 
> find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was 
> treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out 
> the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her
comfortable.
> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it 
> is effective.
> 
>  
> 
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
> 
>  
> 
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find 
> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion 
> about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We 
> thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better
the last 24 hours.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
> 
>  
> 


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From thyme2sail at gmail.com  Sat Jun 24 08:35:01 2017
From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 09:35:01 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
In-Reply-To: <156c01d2eca3$0be7a300$23b6e900$@marilynlitt.com>
References: <156c01d2eca3$0be7a300$23b6e900$@marilynlitt.com>
Message-ID: <CA+-nMstG=DJ7Qpx4N7odBWcoe0gx2PawrgW1r2-7ErS7BZhTDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Marilyn I send you my deepest empathy for Destiny and her crossing the
Rainbow Bridge!

hugs!
Pam
On Jun 24, 2017 12:33 AM, "Marilyn Knapp Litt" <marilyn at marilynlitt.com>
wrote:

> Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I
> helped her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her
> diagnosis.  The vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were
> negative.  On this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and
> had the vet was able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink
> it, but it would come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye
> was shut.  The best thing we could do was let her go while she was still
> purring.
>
> From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any
> knowledge or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine
> and boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors.
> Destiny enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory
> infection turned out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to
> have the support of this community and know there was somewhere we could go
> for advice.
>
> Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty
> tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw
> her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they
> finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . .
> .
>
> Marilyn Knapp Litt
>
> ---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote:
> > Has anyone used these for FeLV?
> >
> >
> >
> > My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to
> > find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was
> > treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out
> > the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping
> her comfortable.
> > She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it
> > is effective.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
> >
> >
> >
> > I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find
> > info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion
> > about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We
> > thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better
> the last 24 hours.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From ardyr at centurytel.net  Sat Jun 24 08:36:17 2017
From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 08:36:17 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine
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Thanks Amani - I am also very intrigued by Doxycycline being able to, I believe you said - possibly stop the FeLV virus from replicating. Is this being studied and tested by vets, schools, etc.?

I also through it was said that the cannibas oil stopped the herpes virus of cold sores - my word - I thought we had nothing to defeat viruses. Docs always say "it's a virus, it has to run its course" - well maybe not! Yet they aren't looking at obvious sources just because of its third cousin - "weed". Good grief!

Rant over!
Ardy


-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 11:16 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Ardy, I think it was precisely because of my experience with Winstrol that I was open to the unthinkable thought that science and scientists weren?t always free to produce unbiased research, even when it could help a lot of animals or people.

I am, first and foremost, a scientist by training and inclination, and this concept was terribly foreign to me when I first stumbled upon the bizarre Winstrol situation. 

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: June-24-17 12:12 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Sort of like the stigma surrounding Winstrol due to the misuse of it by an Olympic athlete....... people and animals who could be helped by it are not. People are crazy sometimes.

Ardy

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:42 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.

Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.

Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 

With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering. 

Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net
Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.

---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
> 


Amy....
I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere..


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From thyme2sail at gmail.com  Sat Jun 24 08:45:38 2017
From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 09:45:38 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] LysineI
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I would be very interestes in doxy results stopping viruses. Working at a
shelter I have seen plenty of chronic herpes.
On Jun 24, 2017 9:36 AM, "Ardy Robertson" <ardyr at centurytel.net> wrote:

> Thanks Amani - I am also very intrigued by Doxycycline being able to, I
> believe you said - possibly stop the FeLV virus from replicating. Is this
> being studied and tested by vets, schools, etc.?
>
> I also through it was said that the cannibas oil stopped the herpes virus
> of cold sores - my word - I thought we had nothing to defeat viruses. Docs
> always say "it's a virus, it has to run its course" - well maybe not! Yet
> they aren't looking at obvious sources just because of its third cousin -
> "weed". Good grief!
>
> Rant over!
> Ardy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Amani Oakley
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 11:16 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>
> Ardy, I think it was precisely because of my experience with Winstrol that
> I was open to the unthinkable thought that science and scientists weren?t
> always free to produce unbiased research, even when it could help a lot of
> animals or people.
>
> I am, first and foremost, a scientist by training and inclination, and
> this concept was terribly foreign to me when I first stumbled upon the
> bizarre Winstrol situation.
>
> Amani
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Ardy Robertson
> Sent: June-24-17 12:12 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>
> Sort of like the stigma surrounding Winstrol due to the misuse of it by an
> Olympic athlete....... people and animals who could be helped by it are
> not. People are crazy sometimes.
>
> Ardy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Amani Oakley
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:42 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>
> Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will
> see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects
> this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research.
> It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial
> overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of
> prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition,
> needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this
> ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the
> United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned
> completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing
> any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from
> Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to
> extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as
> Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the
> criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug
> which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.
>
> Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are
> Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing
> research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
>
> Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for
> its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably
> effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy
> where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only
> medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children
> into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable
> non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of
> consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have
> literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical
> marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even
> Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing
> medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering
> children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for
> PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served
> overseas and have witnessed traumatic events.
>
> With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma
> which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead
> within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with
> experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed
> complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the
> development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that
> nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas,
> these results are nothing short of earth-shattering.
>
> Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been
> helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply
> disturbing.
>
> Amani
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> dlgegg at windstream.net
> Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>
> I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify
> making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that
> wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.
>
> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote:
> >
>
>
> Amy....
> I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I
> held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to
> hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless....  I
> mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS
> useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not make a
> point of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to
> read this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol (
> though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from
> Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla
> there must be a pony in there somewhere..
>
>
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From swacht1946 at comcast.net  Sat Jun 24 09:27:45 2017
From: swacht1946 at comcast.net (Sandy)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 14:27:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
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I'm so sorry Marilyn . Destiny sounds like a sweet and wonderful kitty cat. You certainly are s great guardian for your furry felines. 
Sandy W 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ardy Robertson" <ardyr at centurytel.net> 
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:27:33 AM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny 

Oh Marilyn, 
Destiny sounds like she was such a beautiful kitty ------ I'm happy she 
didn't have to suffer more. 

I am curious though - you said she tested negative for FeLV, and then had 
the vaccine and boosters, not exposed to FeLV outside. What more could a pet 
owner do! (I hate FeLV!!) 

Ardy 




-----Original Message----- 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Amani Oakley 
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:04 AM 
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny 

Marilyn 

I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to 
have you caring so much for her. 

Amani 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Marilyn Knapp Litt 
Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM 
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny 

Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny. I helped 
her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis. The 
vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative. On 
this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was 
able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would 
come roaring back. Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut. The best 
thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring. 

>From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge 
or treatment. She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and 
boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny 
enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory infection turned 
out to be a tumor. Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of 
this community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice. 

Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty 
tonight. Destiny was a peacemaker. I never saw her hiss once, but I saw 
her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they 
finally were won over. The world needs more people like my special cat . . 
. 

Marilyn Knapp Litt 

---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote: 
> Has anyone used these for FeLV? 
> 
> 
> 
> My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to 
> find she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was 
> treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out 
> the terrible truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her 
comfortable. 
> She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it 
> is effective. 
> 
> 
> 
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. 
> 
> 
> 
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find 
> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion 
> about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We 
> thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better 
the last 24 hours. 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt 
> 
> 
> 


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From cms9323 at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 24 09:54:28 2017
From: cms9323 at hotmail.com (Corinne Shank)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 14:54:28 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
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Marilyn,

I am so sorry for your loss.  I know how difficult it must be.

I am curious though about what type of Felv test you had done. There is the Elisa test which is usually done in house and the IFA test which is done via a blood test at a lab and is supposed to be more accurate.   I have read that there are false positives with the Elisa test.  My cat tested positive with Elisa but negative with the IFA test.  I know I should probably take her back and have her retested, (as it has been more than 6 months) but she is doing well and she gets really stressed by trips to the vet.

On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:27 AM, Sandy <swacht1946 at comcast.net<mailto:swacht1946 at comcast.net>> wrote:

I'm so sorry Marilyn . <undefined.gif>  Destiny sounds like a sweet and wonderful kitty cat.  You certainly are s great guardian for your furry felines.
Sandy W

________________________________
From: "Ardy Robertson" <ardyr at centurytel.net<mailto:ardyr at centurytel.net>>
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:27:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

Oh Marilyn,
Destiny sounds like she was such a beautiful kitty ------ I'm happy she
didn't have to suffer more.

I am curious though - you said she tested negative for FeLV, and then had
the vaccine and boosters, not exposed to FeLV outside. What more could a pet
owner do! (I hate FeLV!!)

Ardy




-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:04 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

Marilyn

I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to
have you caring so much for her.

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marilyn Knapp Litt
Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny

Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I helped
her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis.  The
vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative.  On
this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was
able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would
come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut.  The best
thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring.

>From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge
or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and
boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny
enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory infection turned
out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of
this community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice.

Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty
tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw
her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they
finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . .
.

Marilyn Knapp Litt

---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote:
> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>
>
>
> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to
> find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was
> treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out
> the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her
comfortable.
> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it
> is effective.
>
>
>
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>
>
>
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find
> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion
> about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We
> thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better
the last 24 hours.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
>
>
> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
>
>
>


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From marilyn at marilynlitt.com  Sat Jun 24 10:14:22 2017
From: marilyn at marilynlitt.com (Marilyn Knapp Litt)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 10:14:22 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
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I have no idea.  Was the test result wrong initially?  My current vet thinks
she was born with it or had it when we found her at 2 months.  I would
advise all cats be tested; people need to know if their cat needs extra
care, but I am glad we did not know.  Had we known, we would not have kept
this little kitten, who only had the use of three legs, and who was still
the fastest cat I have ever seen.  She literally glided around the house,
scooting on her "useless" front leg. It would have been too risky to expose
our other cats to a cat with the virus.  (I know thinking has changed on
this, but this was 7 years ago. Our other four cats are all neg.) We would
have missed out on all her sweetness. The poet had it right, "Better to have
loved and lost ...."

Sign me up for your "I hate FeLV" club, Ardy!

Marilyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:28 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

Oh Marilyn,
Destiny sounds like she was such a beautiful kitty ------ I'm happy she
didn't have to suffer more.

I am curious though - you said she tested negative for FeLV, and then had
the vaccine and boosters, not exposed to FeLV outside. What more could a pet
owner do! (I hate FeLV!!)

Ardy




-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:04 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

Marilyn

I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to
have you caring so much for her. 

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marilyn Knapp Litt
Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny

Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I helped
her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis.  The
vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative.  On
this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was
able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would
come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut.  The best
thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring.

>From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge
or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and
boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny
enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory infection turned
out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of
this community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice.

Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty
tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw
her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they
finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . .
.

Marilyn Knapp Litt

---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote: 
> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
> 
>  
> 
> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to 
> find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was 
> treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out 
> the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping 
> her
comfortable.
> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it 
> is effective.
> 
>  
> 
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
> 
>  
> 
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find 
> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion 
> about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We 
> thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly 
> better
the last 24 hours.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
> 
>  
> 


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From marilyn at marilynlitt.com  Sat Jun 24 10:27:51 2017
From: marilyn at marilynlitt.com (Marilyn Knapp Litt)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 10:27:51 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
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The record does not specify the type of test done initially.  The most
recent test was done in house and a drop of blood was put in a solution to
change color. It was very hard to see that it was positive.  The vet thought
it was negative, but a tech pointed out a faint blue line that meant
positive. I suppose it is possible that this test was incorrect.  She died
of a very aggressive tumor.  In looking over her records, I recalled her as
always being healthy, but she did have a clostridium overgrowth once. I
think her vet would agree with the positive test results.  I think her blood
count was consistent with FeLv.

 

I don't know what to say about retesting. It is hard when your cat hates the
vet.  I suppose I would treat the cat as positive, as far as giving
supplements, and rush to the vet at any sign of illness.  With my healthy
cats I give them a couple of days to get better if they have the sniffles.
I would not do that with an Felv cat.

 

Thank you, and everyone, for your kind words.

 

Marilyn

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Corinne Shank
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:54 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

 

Marilyn, 

 

I am so sorry for your loss.  I know how difficult it must be.  

 

I am curious though about what type of Felv test you had done. There is the
Elisa test which is usually done in house and the IFA test which is done via
a blood test at a lab and is supposed to be more accurate.   I have read
that there are false positives with the Elisa test.  My cat tested positive
with Elisa but negative with the IFA test.  I know I should probably take
her back and have her retested, (as it has been more than 6 months) but she
is doing well and she gets really stressed by trips to the vet.  

 

On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:27 AM, Sandy <swacht1946 at comcast.net
<mailto:swacht1946 at comcast.net> > wrote:





I'm so sorry Marilyn . <undefined.gif>  Destiny sounds like a sweet and
wonderful kitty cat.  You certainly are s great guardian for your furry
felines.  

Sandy W

 


  _____  


From: "Ardy Robertson" <ardyr at centurytel.net <mailto:ardyr at centurytel.net> >
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> 
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:27:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

 

Oh Marilyn,
Destiny sounds like she was such a beautiful kitty ------ I'm happy she
didn't have to suffer more.

 

I am curious though - you said she tested negative for FeLV, and then had
the vaccine and boosters, not exposed to FeLV outside. What more could a pet
owner do! (I hate FeLV!!)

 

Ardy

 

 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:04 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

 

Marilyn

 

I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to
have you caring so much for her. 

 

Amani

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marilyn Knapp Litt
Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny

 

Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I helped
her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis.  The
vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative.  On
this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was
able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would
come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut.  The best
thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring.

 

>From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge
or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and
boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny
enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory infection turned
out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of
this community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice.

 

Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty
tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw
her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they
finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . .
.

 

Marilyn Knapp Litt

 

---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com
<mailto:marilyn at marilynlitt.com> > wrote: 
> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
> 
>  
> 
> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to 
> find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was 
> treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out 
> the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her
comfortable.
> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it 
> is effective.
> 
>  
> 
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
> 
>  
> 
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find 
> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion 
> about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We 
> thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better
the last 24 hours.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
> 
>  
> 

 


_______________________________________________
Felvtalk mailing list
Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> 
http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

 

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Felvtalk mailing list
Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> 
http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

 


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Felvtalk mailing list
Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> 
http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

 

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From gloriajhook at verizon.net  Sat Jun 24 10:52:19 2017
From: gloriajhook at verizon.net (Gloria)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 08:52:19 -0700
Subject: [Felvtalk] Preventing Stress
Message-ID: <A550D8D9-517E-48BB-ACE1-3F16B70352B2@verizon.net>

I agree about Preventing Stress whenever we can!

I've chosen _not knowing_ for sure just because of that very thing - (stress of vet visits & testing) especially with the testing results being of question.

I deep massage from head to toe - he loves his belly & chest, under his forelegs, toes - - all over to be massaged. 

I'm convinced massaging is great therapy and apply it to all the socialized cat's we have.

My Buddy is kept in our guest room with plenty of interaction with the other cats through plexiglas window in the door we made.  He gets at least two hours of massages, play, hugs, etc. every night. 

I don't agree with vaccinations unless required by law.

I pray a lot! :)

(I have 15 cats I care for-all but 4 were feral-born and now "inside only" cats.)

-g ??
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:54 AM, Corinne Shank <cms9323 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Marilyn,
> 
> I am so sorry for your loss.  I know how difficult it must be.  
> 
> I am curious though about what type of Felv test you had done. There is the Elisa test which is usually done in house and the IFA test which is done via a blood test at a lab and is supposed to be more accurate.   I have read that there are false positives with the Elisa test.  My cat tested positive with Elisa but negative with the IFA test.  I know I should probably take her back and have her retested, (as it has been more than 6 months) but she is doing well and she gets really stressed by trips to the vet.  
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:27 AM, Sandy <swacht1946 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm so sorry Marilyn . <undefined.gif>  Destiny sounds like a sweet and wonderful kitty cat.  You certainly are s great guardian for your furry felines.  
>> Sandy W
>> 
>> From: "Ardy Robertson" <ardyr at centurytel.net>
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:27:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny
>> 
>> Oh Marilyn,
>> Destiny sounds like she was such a beautiful kitty ------ I'm happy she
>> didn't have to suffer more.
>> 
>> I am curious though - you said she tested negative for FeLV, and then had
>> the vaccine and boosters, not exposed to FeLV outside. What more could a pet
>> owner do! (I hate FeLV!!)
>> 
>> Ardy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Amani Oakley
>> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:04 AM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny
>> 
>> Marilyn
>> 
>> I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to
>> have you caring so much for her. 
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Marilyn Knapp Litt
>> Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
>> 
>> Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I helped
>> her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis.  The
>> vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative.  On
>> this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was
>> able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would
>> come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut.  The best
>> thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring.
>> 
>> From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge
>> or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and
>> boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny
>> enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory infection turned
>> out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of
>> this community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice.
>> 
>> Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty
>> tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw
>> her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they
>> finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . .
>> .
>> 
>> Marilyn Knapp Litt
>> 
>> ---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote: 
>> > Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to 
>> > find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was 
>> > treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out 
>> > the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her
>> comfortable.
>> > She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it 
>> > is effective.
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find 
>> > info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion 
>> > about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We 
>> > thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better
>> the last 24 hours.
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > Thank you!
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Felvtalk mailing list
>> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Felvtalk mailing list
>> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> 
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From gloriajhook at verizon.net  Sat Jun 24 10:58:17 2017
From: gloriajhook at verizon.net (Gloria)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 08:58:17 -0700
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
In-Reply-To: <E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE3016701E215@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local>
References: <156c01d2eca3$0be7a300$23b6e900$@marilynlitt.com>
	<E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE3016701E215@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local>
Message-ID: <12B0AD5D-588C-45BB-AD7C-60AE1DFD6383@verizon.net>

Marilyn,
This pain you are experiencing is because she was so loved and left a huge hole in your heart. 

She is forever in your memory-protected treasure beyond words, I am so sorry and sad for you!
Gloria
-g ??
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 23, 2017, at 11:03 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Marilyn
> 
> I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to have you caring so much for her. 
> 
> Amani
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marilyn Knapp Litt
> Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
> 
> Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I helped her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis.  The vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative.  On this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut.  The best thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring.
> 
> From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory infection turned out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of this community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice.
> 
> Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . . .
> 
> Marilyn Knapp Litt
> 
> ---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote: 
>> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to 
>> find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was 
>> treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out 
>> the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.
>> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it 
>> is effective.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find 
>> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion 
>> about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We 
>> thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Felvtalk mailing list
> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org



From dlgegg at windstream.net  Sat Jun 24 12:52:18 2017
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 12:52:18 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Preventing Stress
In-Reply-To: <A550D8D9-517E-48BB-ACE1-3F16B70352B2@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20170624135218.DGTQ6.4424.root@pamxwww03-z01>

Prayer does a lot, I know.  I was supposed to die over 12 years ago from 4th stage cancer.


---- Gloria <gloriajhook at verizon.net> wrote: 
> I agree about Preventing Stress whenever we can!
> 
> I've chosen _not knowing_ for sure just because of that very thing - (stress of vet visits & testing) especially with the testing results being of question.
> 
> I deep massage from head to toe - he loves his belly & chest, under his forelegs, toes - - all over to be massaged. 
> 
> I'm convinced massaging is great therapy and apply it to all the socialized cat's we have.
> 
> My Buddy is kept in our guest room with plenty of interaction with the other cats through plexiglas window in the door we made.  He gets at least two hours of massages, play, hugs, etc. every night. 
> 
> I don't agree with vaccinations unless required by law.
> 
> I pray a lot! :)
> 
> (I have 15 cats I care for-all but 4 were feral-born and now "inside only" cats.)
> 
> -g ??
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:54 AM, Corinne Shank <cms9323 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Marilyn,
> > 
> > I am so sorry for your loss.  I know how difficult it must be.  
> > 
> > I am curious though about what type of Felv test you had done. There is the Elisa test which is usually done in house and the IFA test which is done via a blood test at a lab and is supposed to be more accurate.   I have read that there are false positives with the Elisa test.  My cat tested positive with Elisa but negative with the IFA test.  I know I should probably take her back and have her retested, (as it has been more than 6 months) but she is doing well and she gets really stressed by trips to the vet.  
> > 
> >> On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:27 AM, Sandy <swacht1946 at comcast.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I'm so sorry Marilyn . <undefined.gif>  Destiny sounds like a sweet and wonderful kitty cat.  You certainly are s great guardian for your furry felines.  
> >> Sandy W
> >> 
> >> From: "Ardy Robertson" <ardyr at centurytel.net>
> >> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:27:33 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny
> >> 
> >> Oh Marilyn,
> >> Destiny sounds like she was such a beautiful kitty ------ I'm happy she
> >> didn't have to suffer more.
> >> 
> >> I am curious though - you said she tested negative for FeLV, and then had
> >> the vaccine and boosters, not exposed to FeLV outside. What more could a pet
> >> owner do! (I hate FeLV!!)
> >> 
> >> Ardy
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Amani Oakley
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:04 AM
> >> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny
> >> 
> >> Marilyn
> >> 
> >> I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to
> >> have you caring so much for her. 
> >> 
> >> Amani
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Marilyn Knapp Litt
> >> Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
> >> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
> >> 
> >> Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I helped
> >> her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis.  The
> >> vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative.  On
> >> this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was
> >> able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would
> >> come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut.  The best
> >> thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring.
> >> 
> >> From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge
> >> or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and
> >> boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny
> >> enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory infection turned
> >> out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of
> >> this community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice.
> >> 
> >> Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty
> >> tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw
> >> her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they
> >> finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . .
> >> .
> >> 
> >> Marilyn Knapp Litt
> >> 
> >> ---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote: 
> >> > Has anyone used these for FeLV?
> >> > 
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> > My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to 
> >> > find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was 
> >> > treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out 
> >> > the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her
> >> comfortable.
> >> > She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it 
> >> > is effective.
> >> > 
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> > I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
> >> > 
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> > I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find 
> >> > info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion 
> >> > about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We 
> >> > thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better
> >> the last 24 hours.
> >> > 
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> > Thank you!
> >> > 
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> > ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
> >> > 
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Felvtalk mailing list
> >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Felvtalk mailing list
> >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Felvtalk mailing list
> >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Felvtalk mailing list
> >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Felvtalk mailing list
> > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org



From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Sun Jun 25 06:55:39 2017
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 11:55:39 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Doxycycline
Message-ID: <E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE3016701E335@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local>

Ardy - there are a number of publications which deal with the mode of action of Doxycycline and its antiviral properties. It doesn?t kill the virus but inhibits its replication, sometimes by interfering with cell wall development and other times by preventing the virus from penetrating cells. Viruses usually replicate by invading a normal host cell, taking over its "machinery" and basically getting the host cell to make millions more viruses, which are then released into the circulation when the cell bursts. Doxycycline has been shown to sometimes inhibit the penetration of the virus into the cell.

So for example, Doxycycline has been found to be effective against Dengue fever. There are a number of publications exploring the effectiveness with Dengue fever. Here is an excerpt from a 2014 publication from the Archives of Virology (Inhibitory Effect of Doxycycline against Dengue Virus Replication in Vitro):

"Doxycycline is an antibiotic derived from tetracycline that possesses antimicrobial and anti-inflammatory activities. Antiviral activity of doxycycline against dengue virus has been reported previously; however, its anti-dengue properties need further investigation. This study was conducted to determine the potential activity of doxycycline against dengue virus replication in vitro. Doxycycline inhibited the dengue virus serine protease (DENV2 NS2B-NS3pro) with an IC50 value of 52.3 ? 6.2 ?M at 37 ?C (normal human temperature) and 26.7 ? 5.3 ?M at 40 ?C (high fever temperature). The antiviral activity of doxycycline was first tested at different concentrations against DENV2 using a plaque-formation assay. The virus titter decreased significantly after applying doxycycline at levels lower than its 50 % cytotoxic concentration (CC50, 100 ?M), showing concentration-dependent inhibition with a 50 % effective concentration (EC50) of approximately 50 ?M. Doxycycline significantly inhibited viral entry and post-infection replication of the four dengue serotypes, with serotype-specific inhibition (high activity against DENV2 and DENV4 compared to DENV1 and DENV3). Collectively, these findings underline the need for further experimental and clinical studies on doxycycline, utilizing its anti-dengue and anti-inflammatory activities to attenuate the clinical symptoms of dengue virus infection."

Doxycycline has also been found to be effective against West Nile virus, reovirus, Japanese encephalitis virus (JEV), vesicular stomatitis virus (in vitro), mural virus (a mouse virus which causes leukemia in mice), and more. Doxycycline is also effective against more unusual organisms like protozoa (eg - malaria) and the unusual bacteria which cause Lyme Disease and Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.

Unbelievably, Doxycycline has also been shown to suppress metastatic cancer or assist in bone metastatses. I suspect this last finding is not a strong one since I don?t know that Doxycycline is routinely used for this. However, I sure wish I had known this when my family member was suffering from cancer. Again, under the category of "it might not do a darn thing but it's unlikely to be worse than the situation you're facing", I would have given this a try. There are quite a few publications looking at the use of Doxy for cancer though, so I think there is probably something there.

I doubt that anyone is studying the effect on the Feline Leukemia virus because I see little research involving cat conditions generally, and even less focused on the Feline Leukemia virus. I obviously went looking for an explanation as to why Doxycycline and Winstrol might have been effective with Zander, because I too had the general understanding that antibiotics are not effective against viruses (and I have a Microbiology degree!). I suspect that most physicians and vets have also had this "rule of thumb" hammered into their heads. It is generally true of course, but it obviously works to create a blind spot for physicians and vets, when it comes to the "exceptions" to this general rule. Also, what I have also come to understand is that when there is a drug like Doxycycline (and Winstrol), which has been around for a long time and the drug companies no longer have a patent on it, they can't make money on it, so they stop doing any research related to it. They focus their research on their new drugs on which they hold patents, so they can push these, and make more money.

And don?t even get me started on cannabis oil. To imagine where society might have been if we'd focused on researching the effects of cannabis on everything from cold sores to cancer for the last 100 years, is to truly despair at the sheer stupidity and duplicity of governments and certain people with devious designs. Oh, and cannabis' entirely benign cousin - hemp - which got swept into the ban for no legitimate reason at all - is able to be used for everything from a food source, to clothing, to fertilizer, to flooring, to automobile manufacturing, to building materials, to making non-toxic and biodegradable plastics AND A NONTOXIC ALTERNATIVE TO PETROCARBONS. (For a mind-blowing exercise, look up Henry Ford's first car made of hemp!) 

The more we learn, the more sad the picture gets. However, just maybe this Internet thing will allow us not to be so easily manipulated by our leaders (one hopes). 

Amani  
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: June-24-17 9:36 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Thanks Amani - I am also very intrigued by Doxycycline being able to, I believe you said - possibly stop the FeLV virus from replicating. Is this being studied and tested by vets, schools, etc.?

I also through it was said that the cannibas oil stopped the herpes virus of cold sores - my word - I thought we had nothing to defeat viruses. Docs always say "it's a virus, it has to run its course" - well maybe not! Yet they aren't looking at obvious sources just because of its third cousin - "weed". Good grief!

Rant over!
Ardy


-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 11:16 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Ardy, I think it was precisely because of my experience with Winstrol that I was open to the unthinkable thought that science and scientists weren?t always free to produce unbiased research, even when it could help a lot of animals or people.

I am, first and foremost, a scientist by training and inclination, and this concept was terribly foreign to me when I first stumbled upon the bizarre Winstrol situation. 

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: June-24-17 12:12 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Sort of like the stigma surrounding Winstrol due to the misuse of it by an Olympic athlete....... people and animals who could be helped by it are not. People are crazy sometimes.

Ardy

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:42 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.

Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.

Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 

With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering. 

Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net
Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.

---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
> 


Amy....
I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere..


From bchapel at optonline.net  Sun Jun 25 08:54:38 2017
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 09:54:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny..
In-Reply-To: <mailman.18.1498310865.16992.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
References: <mailman.18.1498310865.16992.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
Message-ID: <462913f4.acb0f.15cdf886c36.Webtop.44@optonline.net>

Marilyn...
So Sorry to? hear about Destiny... was afraid it was something like this 
when it was discovered? that she was FeLV+....? My Current Cat ( 
Gilbert) is suffering much the same fate ( apart from the FeLV)... I am 
keeping him on Prednisolone to keep the tumor in check for as long as we 
can... and just last week he developed what appeared to be a sinus 
infection ( though none of his exudate is purulent at this point) In his 
case the tumor makes it impossible to _ close_ one of his eyes all the 
way( so I give him drops several times a day to keep some moisture on 
the eyeball....? We'll put him down at the point that he stops eating or 
appears to be in severe pain... neither has happened as yet...? I will 
miss him terribly... he is one of the nicest cats I have ever met...? 
Appears we have all been very fortunate to have beautiful kitties with 
terrific personalities in our care and equally unfortunate in losing 
them SO far before their reasonable time.... Your girl sounds like she 
was a sweetie.....? I am sorry...
Bob


From marilyn at marilynlitt.com  Sun Jun 25 09:15:35 2017
From: marilyn at marilynlitt.com (Marilyn Knapp Litt)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 09:15:35 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny..
In-Reply-To: <462913f4.acb0f.15cdf886c36.Webtop.44@optonline.net>
References: <mailman.18.1498310865.16992.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
	<462913f4.acb0f.15cdf886c36.Webtop.44@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <17ac01d2edbd$83d630a0$8b8291e0$@marilynlitt.com>

I am so sorry to hear about Gilbert. This sounds like much the same progression.  The sinus drip was from the pressure, although we didn't know that.  We just knew it was not bacterial.  

Her head started to swell and she didn't have the energy or strength to go to her favorite spots.  (The cats rotated in a fair fashion.)  I hope Gilbert will not take the same course, but it was only a few days after her eye was closed that we made our decision. 

So sorry to hear about Gilbert and so wonderful to hear he spent his short time in such a loving home.

Marilyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:55 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny..

Marilyn...
So Sorry to  hear about Destiny... was afraid it was something like this when it was discovered  that she was FeLV+....  My Current Cat (
Gilbert) is suffering much the same fate ( apart from the FeLV)... I am keeping him on Prednisolone to keep the tumor in check for as long as we can... and just last week he developed what appeared to be a sinus infection ( though none of his exudate is purulent at this point) In his case the tumor makes it impossible to _ close_ one of his eyes all the way( so I give him drops several times a day to keep some moisture on the eyeball....  We'll put him down at the point that he stops eating or appears to be in severe pain... neither has happened as yet...  I will miss him terribly... he is one of the nicest cats I have ever met... Appears we have all been very fortunate to have beautiful kitties with terrific personalities in our care and equally unfortunate in losing them SO far before their reasonable time.... Your girl sounds like she was a sweetie.....  I am sorry...
Bob

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From aoakley at oakleylegal.com  Sun Jun 25 09:43:35 2017
From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 14:43:35 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
Message-ID: <E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE3016701E3F1@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local>

Bob

I know you have had trouble with the clinic in terms of offering you medications, but if it were me, I would also want to try dexamethasone by injection if possible. It is much more powerful than the prednisone in reducing swelling and helping in reducing pain and neurological symptoms in brain lesions.

Amani

From dlgegg at windstream.net  Sun Jun 25 11:17:29 2017
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 11:17:29 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny..
In-Reply-To: <17ac01d2edbd$83d630a0$8b8291e0$@marilynlitt.com>
Message-ID: <20170625121729.GU5Q0.5707.root@pamxwww03-z01>

I have learned from Annie and others that I need to check out every possibility, not just the obvious.  Had I done so, we might have caught the kidney problem in time.  My vet has since done some research and found that with FELV cats, kidney problem are one of the first signs, just sorry that Annie had to suffer and die because we did not know that earlier.

---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote: 
> I am so sorry to hear about Gilbert. This sounds like much the same progression.  The sinus drip was from the pressure, although we didn't know that.  We just knew it was not bacterial.  
> 
> Her head started to swell and she didn't have the energy or strength to go to her favorite spots.  (The cats rotated in a fair fashion.)  I hope Gilbert will not take the same course, but it was only a few days after her eye was closed that we made our decision. 
> 
> So sorry to hear about Gilbert and so wonderful to hear he spent his short time in such a loving home.
> 
> Marilyn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:55 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny..
> 
> Marilyn...
> So Sorry to  hear about Destiny... was afraid it was something like this when it was discovered  that she was FeLV+....  My Current Cat (
> Gilbert) is suffering much the same fate ( apart from the FeLV)... I am keeping him on Prednisolone to keep the tumor in check for as long as we can... and just last week he developed what appeared to be a sinus infection ( though none of his exudate is purulent at this point) In his case the tumor makes it impossible to _ close_ one of his eyes all the way( so I give him drops several times a day to keep some moisture on the eyeball....  We'll put him down at the point that he stops eating or appears to be in severe pain... neither has happened as yet...  I will miss him terribly... he is one of the nicest cats I have ever met... Appears we have all been very fortunate to have beautiful kitties with terrific personalities in our care and equally unfortunate in losing them SO far before their reasonable time.... Your girl sounds like she was a sweetie.....  I am sorry...
> Bob
> 
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From bchapel at optonline.net  Sun Jun 25 15:40:30 2017
From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:40:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert...
In-Reply-To: <mailman.58.1498407462.16992.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
References: <mailman.58.1498407462.16992.felvtalk_felineleukemia.org@felineleukemia.org>
Message-ID: <5d5f395b.ae0d4.15ce0fc01e3.Webtop.57@optonline.net>



Amani...
As always... thank you for the advice and all the other references to 
research ( Doxy, Cannabinol) that can be helpful down the road...?? In 
the case of Gilbert it is perplexing that they are so withholding re: 
drugs.? Gilbert is a favorite of everyone and no one wants to see him 
hurting....? I'll keep making suggestions.? Starting once again to pay 
my own ( larger) medical contributions under medicare I cannot afford to 
be taking him to vets on my own ( as well as it being a potential 
problem if I do because he is ( technically) the shelters " property as 
he is a Foster.... ? Right now he is on purefied liquid Venus Fly Trap 
per a complementary Vet who is well regarded in the local 
community...which she says helped her keep her own cats tumor at bay for 
nine months (? This lady is not simply " out there"... but I have not 
yet done any looking re: VFT as I was not planning to prolong Gilbies 
life.. Just to make him comfortable and keep him out of the shelter 
during his final days....? Now, of course, having gotten so used to and 
loving having him with me I am interested in how to keep him painlessly 
around with me longer....? I like watching TV with a 15 lb cat sitting 
on my chest with his face inches from my own... snoring..

Bob


From dlgegg at windstream.net  Sun Jun 25 16:21:43 2017
From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:21:43 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert...
In-Reply-To: <5d5f395b.ae0d4.15ce0fc01e3.Webtop.57@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20170625172143.RZGHM.84948.root@pamxwww02-z01>

They do get under our skin and become a necessary to our lives.  I have 3 15 pounders who think I am a mattress for them to sleep on.  Thank God they take turns.  Does Gilbert like to KNEED a lot?  Homey gets into a trance and digs deeply so I have had to explain to doctors what all those little red spots are.  Do you have to foster, or can you just adopt so you can give pain treatment as you see fit?
I end up adopting everyone that comes my way.  After just a couple of days I could not let them go.

---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
> 

Amani...
As always... thank you for the advice and all the other references to 
research ( Doxy, Cannabinol) that can be helpful down the road...?? In 
the case of Gilbert it is perplexing that they are so withholding re: 
drugs.? Gilbert is a favorite of everyone and no one wants to see him 
hurting....? I'll keep making suggestions.? Starting once again to pay 
my own ( larger) medical contributions under medicare I cannot afford to 
be taking him to vets on my own ( as well as it being a potential 
problem if I do because he is ( technically) the shelters " property as 
he is a Foster.... ? Right now he is on purefied liquid Venus Fly Trap 
per a complementary Vet who is well regarded in the local 
community...which she says helped her keep her own cats tumor at bay for 
nine months (? This lady is not simply " out there"... but I have not 
yet done any looking re: VFT as I was not planning to prolong Gilbies 
life.. Just to make him comfortable and keep him out of the shelter 
during his final days....? Now, of course, having gotten so used to and 
loving having him with me I am interested in how to keep him painlessly 
around with me longer....? I like watching TV with a 15 lb cat sitting 
on my chest with his face inches from my own... snoring..

Bob

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From thyme2sail at gmail.com  Sun Jun 25 21:52:04 2017
From: thyme2sail at gmail.com (Pam Doore)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 22:52:04 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] Gilbert...
In-Reply-To: <20170625172143.RZGHM.84948.root@pamxwww02-z01>
References: <5d5f395b.ae0d4.15ce0fc01e3.Webtop.57@optonline.net>
	<20170625172143.RZGHM.84948.root@pamxwww02-z01>
Message-ID: <CA+-nMsveigWQEKzkkwFp+gmO+wCLzGXF5sF=x33tAqHOWkO+1Q@mail.gmail.com>

I have been a foster failure 4 times.  Once I saw how well the foster's did
with the the other cats and I fell in love, they had to stay :-D.

As far as treating shelter pets, I know that at my shelter there is a set
amount per pet and anything above that comes from a special account which
has been newly set up.  We do not have a vet at our shelter, we have to
take the cats and dogs to the vet clinic and there really is no shelter
discount for medicine or office visits.  I can't make decisions for pets
based on money alone.  My goal is always the quality of life.

I wish you and Gilbert all the best in getting him the right meds to keep
him pain-free :-D.  I love the image of a 15lb kitty snoozing on your chest
:).


~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~

*Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick*


On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 5:21 PM, <dlgegg at windstream.net> wrote:

> They do get under our skin and become a necessary to our lives.  I have 3
> 15 pounders who think I am a mattress for them to sleep on.  Thank God they
> take turns.  Does Gilbert like to KNEED a lot?  Homey gets into a trance
> and digs deeply so I have had to explain to doctors what all those little
> red spots are.  Do you have to foster, or can you just adopt so you can
> give pain treatment as you see fit?
> I end up adopting everyone that comes my way.  After just a couple of days
> I could not let them go.
>
> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote:
> >
>
> Amani...
> As always... thank you for the advice and all the other references to
> research ( Doxy, Cannabinol) that can be helpful down the road...   In
> the case of Gilbert it is perplexing that they are so withholding re:
> drugs.  Gilbert is a favorite of everyone and no one wants to see him
> hurting....  I'll keep making suggestions.  Starting once again to pay
> my own ( larger) medical contributions under medicare I cannot afford to
> be taking him to vets on my own ( as well as it being a potential
> problem if I do because he is ( technically) the shelters " property as
> he is a Foster....   Right now he is on purefied liquid Venus Fly Trap
> per a complementary Vet who is well regarded in the local
> community...which she says helped her keep her own cats tumor at bay for
> nine months (  This lady is not simply " out there"... but I have not
> yet done any looking re: VFT as I was not planning to prolong Gilbies
> life.. Just to make him comfortable and keep him out of the shelter
> during his final days....  Now, of course, having gotten so used to and
> loving having him with me I am interested in how to keep him painlessly
> around with me longer....  I like watching TV with a 15 lb cat sitting
> on my chest with his face inches from my own... snoring..
>
> Bob
>
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>
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From kathstix at gmail.com  Mon Jun 26 06:33:38 2017
From: kathstix at gmail.com (Katherine K.)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 07:33:38 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
In-Reply-To: <12B0AD5D-588C-45BB-AD7C-60AE1DFD6383@verizon.net>
References: <156c01d2eca3$0be7a300$23b6e900$@marilynlitt.com>
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Marilyn, I'm so sorry about your loss of Destiny, but she will ALWAYS be
with you in your heart. She sounds like a beautiful little soul! May you
find comfort in the memories you shared together.

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Gloria <gloriajhook at verizon.net> wrote:

> Marilyn,
> This pain you are experiencing is because she was so loved and left a huge
> hole in your heart.
>
> She is forever in your memory-protected treasure beyond words, I am so
> sorry and sad for you!
> Gloria
> -g ??
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 23, 2017, at 11:03 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Marilyn
> >
> > I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was
> to have you caring so much for her.
> >
> > Amani
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Marilyn Knapp Litt
> > Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
> >
> > Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I
> helped her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her
> diagnosis.  The vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were
> negative.  On this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and
> had the vet was able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink
> it, but it would come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye
> was shut.  The best thing we could do was let her go while she was still
> purring.
> >
> > From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any
> knowledge or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine
> and boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors.
> Destiny enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory
> infection turned out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to
> have the support of this community and know there was somewhere we could go
> for advice.
> >
> > Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty
> tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw
> her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they
> finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . .
> .
> >
> > Marilyn Knapp Litt
> >
> > ---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote:
> >> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to
> >> find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was
> >> treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out
> >> the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping
> her comfortable.
> >> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it
> >> is effective.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find
> >> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion
> >> about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We
> >> thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better
> the last 24 hours.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Felvtalk mailing list
> > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >
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> > Felvtalk mailing list
> > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
>
>
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From sheri7177 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 26 08:06:38 2017
From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 13:06:38 +0000
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
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Marilyn, I'm so sorry you had to say goodbye to little Destiny, she sounds
like such a sweet soul. Thank you for loving her through to the end, she
was lucky to have you!

Sheri

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017, 7:33 AM Katherine K. <kathstix at gmail.com> wrote:

> Marilyn, I'm so sorry about your loss of Destiny, but she will ALWAYS be
> with you in your heart. She sounds like a beautiful little soul! May you
> find comfort in the memories you shared together.
>
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Gloria <gloriajhook at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Marilyn,
>> This pain you are experiencing is because she was so loved and left a
>> huge hole in your heart.
>>
>> She is forever in your memory-protected treasure beyond words, I am so
>> sorry and sad for you!
>> Gloria
>> -g ??
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jun 23, 2017, at 11:03 PM, Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Marilyn
>> >
>> > I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was
>> to have you caring so much for her.
>> >
>> > Amani
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of Marilyn Knapp Litt
>> > Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
>> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
>> >
>> > Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I
>> helped her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her
>> diagnosis.  The vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were
>> negative.  On this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and
>> had the vet was able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink
>> it, but it would come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye
>> was shut.  The best thing we could do was let her go while she was still
>> purring.
>> >
>> > From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any
>> knowledge or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine
>> and boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors.
>> Destiny enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory
>> infection turned out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to
>> have the support of this community and know there was somewhere we could go
>> for advice.
>> >
>> > Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty
>> tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw
>> her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they
>> finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . .
>> .
>> >
>> > Marilyn Knapp Litt
>> >
>> > ---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote:
>> >> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to
>> >> find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was
>> >> treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out
>> >> the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping
>> her comfortable.
>> >> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it
>> >> is effective.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find
>> >> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion
>> >> about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We
>> >> thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly
>> better the last 24 hours.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thank you!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Felvtalk mailing list
>> > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
>> >
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>>
>>
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From ardyr at centurytel.net  Mon Jun 26 20:44:42 2017
From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 20:44:42 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
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Marilyn,
    Your thought about being glad you didn't know when you first got her is
EXACTLY the way I felt about my dear Tigger. He was near death when we found
him - we thought due to starvation, and he quickly bounced back after proper
care for a while. We also may not have kept him had we known he was FeLV
positive, and I would have missed out on 5-1/2 years of the best kitty
ever!!  I told myself I would never ever get that attached to a cat or any
animal ever again. But now I'm head over heels in love with our little
Topaz, who just happens to look and act just like Tigg, and she has also
tested negative for FeLV, so I'm hoping her test is accurate.  
Ardy



-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marilyn Knapp Litt
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 10:14 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

I have no idea.  Was the test result wrong initially?  My current vet thinks
she was born with it or had it when we found her at 2 months.  I would
advise all cats be tested; people need to know if their cat needs extra
care, but I am glad we did not know.  Had we known, we would not have kept
this little kitten, who only had the use of three legs, and who was still
the fastest cat I have ever seen.  She literally glided around the house,
scooting on her "useless" front leg. It would have been too risky to expose
our other cats to a cat with the virus.  (I know thinking has changed on
this, but this was 7 years ago. Our other four cats are all neg.) We would
have missed out on all her sweetness. The poet had it right, "Better to have
loved and lost ...."

Sign me up for your "I hate FeLV" club, Ardy!

Marilyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:28 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

Oh Marilyn,
Destiny sounds like she was such a beautiful kitty ------ I'm happy she
didn't have to suffer more.

I am curious though - you said she tested negative for FeLV, and then had
the vaccine and boosters, not exposed to FeLV outside. What more could a pet
owner do! (I hate FeLV!!)

Ardy




-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:04 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

Marilyn

I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to
have you caring so much for her. 

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marilyn Knapp Litt
Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny

Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I helped
her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis.  The
vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative.  On
this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was
able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would
come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut.  The best
thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring.

>From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge
or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and
boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny
enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory infection turned
out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of
this community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice.

Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty
tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw
her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they
finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . .
.

Marilyn Knapp Litt

---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote: 
> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
> 
>  
> 
> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to 
> find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was 
> treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out 
> the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping 
> her
comfortable.
> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it 
> is effective.
> 
>  
> 
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
> 
>  
> 
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find 
> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion 
> about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We 
> thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly 
> better
the last 24 hours.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
> 
>  
> 


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From ardyr at centurytel.net  Mon Jun 26 20:46:53 2017
From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 20:46:53 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Preventing Stress
In-Reply-To: <20170624135218.DGTQ6.4424.root@pamxwww03-z01>
References: <A550D8D9-517E-48BB-ACE1-3F16B70352B2@verizon.net>
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Agree!!
Ardy


-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 12:52 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Preventing Stress

Prayer does a lot, I know.  I was supposed to die over 12 years ago from 4th stage cancer.


---- Gloria <gloriajhook at verizon.net> wrote: 
> I agree about Preventing Stress whenever we can!
> 
> I've chosen _not knowing_ for sure just because of that very thing - (stress of vet visits & testing) especially with the testing results being of question.
> 
> I deep massage from head to toe - he loves his belly & chest, under his forelegs, toes - - all over to be massaged. 
> 
> I'm convinced massaging is great therapy and apply it to all the socialized cat's we have.
> 
> My Buddy is kept in our guest room with plenty of interaction with the other cats through plexiglas window in the door we made.  He gets at least two hours of massages, play, hugs, etc. every night. 
> 
> I don't agree with vaccinations unless required by law.
> 
> I pray a lot! :)
> 
> (I have 15 cats I care for-all but 4 were feral-born and now "inside 
> only" cats.)
> 
> -g ??
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:54 AM, Corinne Shank <cms9323 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Marilyn,
> > 
> > I am so sorry for your loss.  I know how difficult it must be.  
> > 
> > I am curious though about what type of Felv test you had done. There is the Elisa test which is usually done in house and the IFA test which is done via a blood test at a lab and is supposed to be more accurate.   I have read that there are false positives with the Elisa test.  My cat tested positive with Elisa but negative with the IFA test.  I know I should probably take her back and have her retested, (as it has been more than 6 months) but she is doing well and she gets really stressed by trips to the vet.  
> > 
> >> On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:27 AM, Sandy <swacht1946 at comcast.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I'm so sorry Marilyn . <undefined.gif>  Destiny sounds like a sweet and wonderful kitty cat.  You certainly are s great guardian for your furry felines.  
> >> Sandy W
> >> 
> >> From: "Ardy Robertson" <ardyr at centurytel.net>
> >> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:27:33 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny
> >> 
> >> Oh Marilyn,
> >> Destiny sounds like she was such a beautiful kitty ------ I'm happy 
> >> she didn't have to suffer more.
> >> 
> >> I am curious though - you said she tested negative for FeLV, and 
> >> then had the vaccine and boosters, not exposed to FeLV outside. 
> >> What more could a pet owner do! (I hate FeLV!!)
> >> 
> >> Ardy
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On 
> >> Behalf Of Amani Oakley
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:04 AM
> >> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny
> >> 
> >> Marilyn
> >> 
> >> I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny 
> >> was to have you caring so much for her.
> >> 
> >> Amani
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On 
> >> Behalf Of Marilyn Knapp Litt
> >> Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
> >> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
> >> 
> >> Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  
> >> I helped her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her 
> >> diagnosis.  The vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but 
> >> tests were negative.  On this visit it was clear she had 
> >> deteriorated in a week and had the vet was able to see the tumor. 
> >> The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would come roaring 
> >> back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut.  The best thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring.
> >> 
> >> From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any 
> >> knowledge or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the 
> >> vaccine and boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never 
> >> went outdoors. Destiny enjoyed good health until very recently when 
> >> her respitory infection turned out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it 
> >> really helped us to have the support of this community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice.
> >> 
> >> Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your 
> >> kitty tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss 
> >> once, but I saw her sit as close as she could to our cats who 
> >> hissed at her, until they finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . .
> >> .
> >> 
> >> Marilyn Knapp Litt
> >> 
> >> ---- Marilyn Knapp Litt <marilyn at marilynlitt.com> wrote: 
> >> > Has anyone used these for FeLV?
> >> > 
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> > My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked 
> >> > to find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The 
> >> > vet was treating her and the infection was getting worse and then 
> >> > we found out the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a 
> >> > syringe and keeping her
> >> comfortable.
> >> > She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if 
> >> > it is effective.
> >> > 
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> > I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
> >> > 
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> > I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but 
> >> > find info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a 
> >> > suggestion about boosting her immune system and fighting this 
> >> > infection?  We thought we were going to lose her this week, but 
> >> > she is slightly better
> >> the last 24 hours.
> >> > 
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> > Thank you!
> >> > 
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> > ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
> >> > 
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Felvtalk mailing list
> >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.
> >> org
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Felvtalk mailing list
> >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.
> >> org
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Felvtalk mailing list
> >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.
> >> org
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Felvtalk mailing list
> >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.
> >> org
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Felvtalk mailing list
> > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o
> > rg


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From ardyr at centurytel.net  Mon Jun 26 21:14:16 2017
From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 21:14:16 -0500
Subject: [Felvtalk] Doxycycline
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Amani - this is very interesting, at least the part that I understood :)

I agree that Big Pharma seems to just follow the money, it's not about helping our fellow man (or kitty) anymore, sadly.

And banning certain medicines because of their stigma, or potential use is just silly!!!
Ardy


-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 6:56 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Doxycycline

Ardy - there are a number of publications which deal with the mode of action of Doxycycline and its antiviral properties. It doesn?t kill the virus but inhibits its replication, sometimes by interfering with cell wall development and other times by preventing the virus from penetrating cells. Viruses usually replicate by invading a normal host cell, taking over its "machinery" and basically getting the host cell to make millions more viruses, which are then released into the circulation when the cell bursts. Doxycycline has been shown to sometimes inhibit the penetration of the virus into the cell.

So for example, Doxycycline has been found to be effective against Dengue fever. There are a number of publications exploring the effectiveness with Dengue fever. Here is an excerpt from a 2014 publication from the Archives of Virology (Inhibitory Effect of Doxycycline against Dengue Virus Replication in Vitro):

"Doxycycline is an antibiotic derived from tetracycline that possesses antimicrobial and anti-inflammatory activities. Antiviral activity of doxycycline against dengue virus has been reported previously; however, its anti-dengue properties need further investigation. This study was conducted to determine the potential activity of doxycycline against dengue virus replication in vitro. Doxycycline inhibited the dengue virus serine protease (DENV2 NS2B-NS3pro) with an IC50 value of 52.3 ? 6.2 ?M at 37 ?C (normal human temperature) and 26.7 ? 5.3 ?M at 40 ?C (high fever temperature). The antiviral activity of doxycycline was first tested at different concentrations against DENV2 using a plaque-formation assay. The virus titter decreased significantly after applying doxycycline at levels lower than its 50 % cytotoxic concentration (CC50, 100 ?M), showing concentration-dependent inhibition with a 50 % effective concentration (EC50) of approximately 50 ?M. Doxycycline significantly inhibited viral entry and post-infection replication of the four dengue serotypes, with serotype-specific inhibition (high activity against DENV2 and DENV4 compared to DENV1 and DENV3). Collectively, these findings underline the need for further experimental and clinical studies on doxycycline, utilizing its anti-dengue and anti-inflammatory activities to attenuate the clinical symptoms of dengue virus infection."

Doxycycline has also been found to be effective against West Nile virus, reovirus, Japanese encephalitis virus (JEV), vesicular stomatitis virus (in vitro), mural virus (a mouse virus which causes leukemia in mice), and more. Doxycycline is also effective against more unusual organisms like protozoa (eg - malaria) and the unusual bacteria which cause Lyme Disease and Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.

Unbelievably, Doxycycline has also been shown to suppress metastatic cancer or assist in bone metastatses. I suspect this last finding is not a strong one since I don?t know that Doxycycline is routinely used for this. However, I sure wish I had known this when my family member was suffering from cancer. Again, under the category of "it might not do a darn thing but it's unlikely to be worse than the situation you're facing", I would have given this a try. There are quite a few publications looking at the use of Doxy for cancer though, so I think there is probably something there.

I doubt that anyone is studying the effect on the Feline Leukemia virus because I see little research involving cat conditions generally, and even less focused on the Feline Leukemia virus. I obviously went looking for an explanation as to why Doxycycline and Winstrol might have been effective with Zander, because I too had the general understanding that antibiotics are not effective against viruses (and I have a Microbiology degree!). I suspect that most physicians and vets have also had this "rule of thumb" hammered into their heads. It is generally true of course, but it obviously works to create a blind spot for physicians and vets, when it comes to the "exceptions" to this general rule. Also, what I have also come to understand is that when there is a drug like Doxycycline (and Winstrol), which has been around for a long time and the drug companies no longer have a patent on it, they can't make money on it, so they stop doing any research related to it. They focus their research on their new drugs on which they hold patents, so they can push these, and make more money.

And don?t even get me started on cannabis oil. To imagine where society might have been if we'd focused on researching the effects of cannabis on everything from cold sores to cancer for the last 100 years, is to truly despair at the sheer stupidity and duplicity of governments and certain people with devious designs. Oh, and cannabis' entirely benign cousin - hemp - which got swept into the ban for no legitimate reason at all - is able to be used for everything from a food source, to clothing, to fertilizer, to flooring, to automobile manufacturing, to building materials, to making non-toxic and biodegradable plastics AND A NONTOXIC ALTERNATIVE TO PETROCARBONS. (For a mind-blowing exercise, look up Henry Ford's first car made of hemp!) 

The more we learn, the more sad the picture gets. However, just maybe this Internet thing will allow us not to be so easily manipulated by our leaders (one hopes). 

Amani  
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: June-24-17 9:36 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Thanks Amani - I am also very intrigued by Doxycycline being able to, I believe you said - possibly stop the FeLV virus from replicating. Is this being studied and tested by vets, schools, etc.?

I also through it was said that the cannibas oil stopped the herpes virus of cold sores - my word - I thought we had nothing to defeat viruses. Docs always say "it's a virus, it has to run its course" - well maybe not! Yet they aren't looking at obvious sources just because of its third cousin - "weed". Good grief!

Rant over!
Ardy


-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 11:16 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Ardy, I think it was precisely because of my experience with Winstrol that I was open to the unthinkable thought that science and scientists weren?t always free to produce unbiased research, even when it could help a lot of animals or people.

I am, first and foremost, a scientist by training and inclination, and this concept was terribly foreign to me when I first stumbled upon the bizarre Winstrol situation. 

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: June-24-17 12:12 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Sort of like the stigma surrounding Winstrol due to the misuse of it by an Olympic athlete....... people and animals who could be helped by it are not. People are crazy sometimes.

Ardy

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:42 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.

Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.

Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 

With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering. 

Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.

Amani

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlgegg at windstream.net
Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.

---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
> 


Amy....
I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless....  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful....  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere..

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