[Felvtalk] Finding money for Vet Tx...

ROBERT CHAPEL bchapel at optonline.net
Fri Jan 20 03:14:33 CST 2017


Hello All:
I have a recollection of someone( or someone(s) in our forum mentioning 
trying a " Go fund me " campaign for their cat(s)....  Was it at all 
successful??    I am going to need to find some money if I am going to 
keep my guys going as I really can't return to any kind of reasonable 
paying work as long as meds need to be give a few times a day ( I can 
get paid 3x more for a day of work if I go back to where I used to work 
which is 55 miles away.... but it makes me nervous being that far away 
if something happens that I can't get back)... I have no real prospects 
for anything near my home but am beginning to look....  The commited 
folks on this forum are spending FAR more on their Kitties than I could 
dream of affording and it hurts me that what _ I _ thought would be 
adequate care falls so short of what others are doing...... 
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> Randy...
> You might want to invest in an inexpensive Mortar and Pestle ( 
> available in any Kitchen store if you don't already have one) they are 
> quite useful in grinding virtually any compressed pill into fine 
> powder if you spend a little extra time.....? I have one devoted to 
> only pet meds and I do all my mixing in it as well so tha no powder is 
> wasted ( eg... if I'm going to give Doxy/Winstrol in food I'll 
> grind...then add food and then, perhaps, a little water or broth 
> depending on which food I'm using... I'm sure you've discovered which 
> foods are best to assure Curly will eat them with meds added ( My Guy 
> will only take meds mixed in Baby food with some powdered Temptations 
> treats added.... other days he won't consider it... so generally I mix 
> the Winstrol and Doxy with a ML or two of Broth and administer with 
> Syringe.... this assures that he gets the full dose and obviates 
> worries about any sticking around in his esophagus... I very seldom 
> pill him any more unless I am in a huge rush and it's either that or 
> skip the dose....? IF.. I pill him I always follow with a ML or two of 
> water and a few Kitty treats in hopes that there is no residual to 
> cause problems....? BTW...? a HCT jump from 9 to 15 in only a couple 
> of weeks is Wonderful....If I were you I wouldn't change a thing 
> simply because? you don't really know which of the components is " 
> more " responsible for the results or if it's the synergy between all 
> three.....? Once he's closer to Normal Levels you could play around a 
> little... but I'd , personally, wait on changing anything in the 
> protocol that you've been using...
>
>
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>> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
>> [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement
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>> Oh Randy, I am so THRILLED to hear of your positive response to the 
>> medications, and that your vet was so helpful. (What does your vet 
>> think of the response?) You may think that 15% haematocrit is still 
>> very sick, and it is still well outside the normal range, but you?ve 
>> basically had a 60% increase in haematocrit in 3 weeks. That is quite 
>> amazing and wonderful. It is as good a result as you would have had 
>> with 2 units of blood being given as a transfusion, only it is much 
>> better than a transfusion because Curly is producing her own cells, 
>> rather than temporarily filling up with someone else?s blood.
>>
>> With respect to the Doxy, I am not sure. If it were me, I would 
>> probably want to continue if you can. You?ve had a very good result. 
>> Why mess with the formula? I can?t say definitively, one way or the 
>> other, since I very much figured things out by running weekly blood 
>> work and if I saw a dip or a reversal in the numbers, I would adjust 
>> the medication accordingly. I don?t know if I am right about my Doxy 
>> theory (and it is just pure conjecture on my part, based on my 
>> non-vet research) but I really think that the Doxy is part of the 
>> effective package. I feel that the Doxy holds the virus in check ? 
>> perhaps slowing down its reproduction by inhibiting RNA synthesis ? 
>> enough to allow the body to make some progress with the Winstrol. I 
>> don?t think that the Winstrol on its own is enough.
>>
>> With the Doxy, I used to scrape the quarter tablet into a slab of 
>> butter to coat it with butter, to help it slide down better, since 
>> the quarter table it very dry and scratchy. I also posted recently 
>> that the Doxy we get from vets (and even from our doctors) is the 
>> same as what you can get to treat fish or birds, in a pet store, and 
>> that is sold in powdered packages of 100 mg (same as 1 tablet). A 
>> prescription isn?t needed for it, and because it is powdered, it can 
>> be mixed into food or liquid.
>>
>> Great news, too, with your success in getting her to eat more and put 
>> on weight.
>>
>> I love to hear good news on this front. Let?s hope she continues in 
>> the right direction.
>>
>> Amani
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Randy Henke
>> Sent: January-19-17 9:53 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement
>>
>> It has been a little over a month ago that I asked for advice on this 
>> forum for our little girl, Curly.
>> At that point, I had little hope. She was so lethargic and her 
>> hematocrit had dipped to a critical 9%. I took everyone's advice, 
>> especially Amani's, and asked our vet for Predisolone, Winstrol and 
>> Doxycycline.
>> According to her latest CBC two weeks ago, she is still a very sick 
>> kitty but her hematocrit rebounded to 15% which I know is still very 
>> low. All other numbers are improving slowly as well. That was after 
>> less than three weeks of treatment.
>> She is due for another CBC next Tuesday and I am hopeful we will see 
>> more improvement. I've noticed her gums are more pink which I believe 
>> is a good sign.
>> We were still having problems with getting her to eat. She would have 
>> her good days and her bad days but her weight was still creeping 
>> down. Last week I asked our vet about Mirtazapine and our vet agreed 
>> to give us a prescription for it. I have to thank Robert for 
>> mentioning this in one of his posts.
>>
>> One day last week she didn't want to eat so I gave her a quarter pill 
>> (3.75 mg) which is the dose our vet prescribed to give her daily. The 
>> result was phenomenal and almost a little scary. She was bouncing off 
>> the walls within a few hours and eating everything she could get her 
>> paws on. I almost felt a little sorry for her because it was like she 
>> couldn't sit still for more than a couple of minutes. But it was like 
>> getting our old Curly back again in just a single day!
>> The effect tapered off after a couple of days and we didn't feel 
>> comfortable giving her another dose until she stopped eating again 
>> because of how dramatic the change was. I've read online that a 
>> smaller dose could be effective if given every 72 hours so we are 
>> going to try doing that so she keeps eating. It was incredible to see 
>> her weight go up by a quarter pound in just a couple of days.
>> We are continuing the Prednisolone and Winstrol at the recommended 
>> doses but our two week Doxycycline prescription ran out over a week 
>> ago. She does appear to still be making improvement without it but 
>> I'm wondering if I should ask for another prescription to keep that 
>> going as well.
>> I always worry about giving her the quarter pill of Doxy because I 
>> know it can cause esophageal damage if it isn't followed by liquids. 
>> I was following the pill with the liquid Winstrol solution but wasn't 
>> sure if that was enough.
>> Many thanks to everyone who gave us advice. It looks like we might 
>> have our Curly back for at least a while yet and it's all because of 
>> you people.
>> Randy
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>> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 22:42:44 -0600
>> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual 
>> improvement
>> Message-ID: <000501d272d7$a53ba3d0$efb2eb70$@centurytel.net>
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>> Hi Amani ? you just reminded me that I had purchased Doxycyclene for 
>> our 21 year old cockatiel ? Selu ? a few years ago. He was 
>> experiencing some respiratory problems and I had to mix it into his 
>> water. It worked well as I remember.
>>
>> Ardy
>>
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Amani Oakley
>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:11 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement
>>
>>
>> Oh Randy, I am so THRILLED to hear of your positive response to the 
>> medications, and that your vet was so helpful. (What does your vet 
>> think of the response?) You may think that 15% haematocrit is still 
>> very sick, and it is still well outside the normal range, but you?ve 
>> basically had a 60% increase in haematocrit in 3 weeks. That is quite 
>> amazing and wonderful. It is as good a result as you would have had 
>> with 2 units of blood being given as a transfusion, only it is much 
>> better than a transfusion because Curly is producing her own cells, 
>> rather than temporarily filling up with someone else?s blood.
>>
>>
>> With respect to the Doxy, I am not sure. If it were me, I would 
>> probably want to continue if you can. You?ve had a very good result. 
>> Why mess with the formula? I can?t say definitively, one way or the 
>> other, since I very much figured things out by running weekly blood 
>> work and if I saw a dip or a reversal in the numbers, I would adjust 
>> the medication accordingly. I don?t know if I am right about my Doxy 
>> theory (and it is just pure conjecture on my part, based on my 
>> non-vet research) but I really think that the Doxy is part of the 
>> effective package. I feel that the Doxy holds the virus in check ? 
>> perhaps slowing down its reproduction by inhibiting RNA synthesis ? 
>> enough to allow the body to make some progress with the Winstrol. I 
>> don?t think that the Winstrol on its own is enough.
>>
>>
>> With the Doxy, I used to scrape the quarter tablet into a slab of 
>> butter to coat it with butter, to help it slide down better, since 
>> the quarter table it very dry and scratchy. I also posted recently 
>> that the Doxy we get from vets (and even from our doctors) is the 
>> same as what you can get to treat fish or birds, in a pet store, and 
>> that is sold in powdered packages of 100 mg (same as 1 tablet). A 
>> prescription isn?t needed for it, and because it is powdered, it can 
>> be mixed into food or liquid.
>>
>>
>> Great news, too, with your success in getting her to eat more and put 
>> on weight.
>>
>>
>> I love to hear good news on this front. Let?s hope she continues in 
>> the right direction.
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Randy Henke
>> Sent: January-19-17 9:53 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org  Subject: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual 
>> improvement
>>
>>
>> It has been a little over a month ago that I asked for advice on this 
>> forum for our little girl, Curly.
>>
>> At that point, I had little hope. She was so lethargic and her 
>> hematocrit had dipped to a critical 9%. I took everyone's advice, 
>> especially Amani's, and asked our vet for Predisolone, Winstrol and 
>> Doxycycline.
>>
>> According to her latest CBC two weeks ago, she is still a very sick 
>> kitty but her hematocrit rebounded to 15% which I know is still very 
>> low. All other numbers are improving slowly as well. That was after 
>> less than three weeks of treatment.
>>
>> She is due for another CBC next Tuesday and I am hopeful we will see 
>> more improvement. I've noticed her gums are more pink which I believe 
>> is a good sign.
>>
>> We were still having problems with getting her to eat. She would have 
>> her good days and her bad days but her weight was still creeping 
>> down. Last week I asked our vet about Mirtazapine and our vet agreed 
>> to give us a prescription for it. I have to thank Robert for 
>> mentioning this in one of his posts.
>>
>> One day last week she didn't want to eat so I gave her a quarter pill 
>> (3.75 mg) which is the dose our vet prescribed to give her daily. The 
>> result was phenomenal and almost a little scary. She was bouncing off 
>> the walls within a few hours and eating everything she could get her 
>> paws on. I almost felt a little sorry for her because it was like she 
>> couldn't sit still for more than a couple of minutes. But it was like 
>> getting our old Curly back again in just a single day!
>>
>> The effect tapered off after a couple of days and we didn't feel 
>> comfortable giving her another dose until she stopped eating again 
>> because of how dramatic the change was. I've read online that a 
>> smaller dose could be effective if given every 72 hours so we are 
>> going to try doing that so she keeps eating. It was incredible to see 
>> her weight go up by a quarter pound in just a couple of days.
>>
>> We are continuing the Prednisolone and Winstrol at the recommended 
>> doses but our two week Doxycycline prescription ran out over a week 
>> ago. She does appear to still be making improvement without it but 
>> I'm wondering if I should ask for another prescription to keep that 
>> going as well.
>>
>> I always worry about giving her the quarter pill of Doxy because I 
>> know it can cause esophageal damage if it isn't followed by liquids. 
>> I was following the pill with the liquid Winstrol solution but wasn't 
>> sure if that was enough.
>>
>> Many thanks to everyone who gave us advice. It looks like we might 
>> have our Curly back for at least a while yet and it's all because of 
>> you people.
>>
>> Randy
>>
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> From: ROBERT CHAPEL To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Curly...
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> Randy...
> You might want to invest in an inexpensive Mortar and Pestle ( 
> available in any Kitchen store if you don't already have one) they are 
> quite useful in grinding virtually any compressed pill into fine 
> powder if you spend a little extra time.....? I have one devoted to 
> only pet meds and I do all my mixing in it as well so tha no powder is 
> wasted ( eg... if I'm going to give Doxy/Winstrol in food I'll 
> grind...then add food and then, perhaps, a little water or broth 
> depending on which food I'm using... I'm sure you've discovered which 
> foods are best to assure Curly will eat them with meds added ( My Guy 
> will only take meds mixed in Baby food with some powdered Temptations 
> treats added.... other days he won't consider it... so generally I mix 
> the Winstrol and Doxy with a ML or two of Broth and administer with 
> Syringe.... this assures that he gets the full dose and obviates 
> worries about any sticking around in his esophagus... I very seldom 
> pill him any more unless I am in a huge rush and it's either that or 
> skip the dose....? IF.. I pill him I always follow with a ML or two of 
> water and a few Kitty treats in hopes that there is no residual to 
> cause problems....? BTW...? a HCT jump from 9 to 15 in only a couple 
> of weeks is Wonderful....If I were you I wouldn't change a thing 
> simply because? you don't really know which of the components is " 
> more " responsible for the results or if it's the synergy between all 
> three.....? Once he's closer to Normal Levels you could play around a 
> little... but I'd , personally, wait on changing anything in the 
> protocol that you've been using...
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 11:42 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org 
> wrote:
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>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>    1. Re: Curly's gradual improvement (Amani Oakley)
>>    2. Re: Curly's gradual improvement (Ardy Robertson)
>>
>>
>> 
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>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 03:11:20 +0000
>> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
>> [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement
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>> Oh Randy, I am so THRILLED to hear of your positive response to the 
>> medications, and that your vet was so helpful. (What does your vet 
>> think of the response?) You may think that 15% haematocrit is still 
>> very sick, and it is still well outside the normal range, but you?ve 
>> basically had a 60% increase in haematocrit in 3 weeks. That is quite 
>> amazing and wonderful. It is as good a result as you would have had 
>> with 2 units of blood being given as a transfusion, only it is much 
>> better than a transfusion because Curly is producing her own cells, 
>> rather than temporarily filling up with someone else?s blood.
>>
>> With respect to the Doxy, I am not sure. If it were me, I would 
>> probably want to continue if you can. You?ve had a very good result. 
>> Why mess with the formula? I can?t say definitively, one way or the 
>> other, since I very much figured things out by running weekly blood 
>> work and if I saw a dip or a reversal in the numbers, I would adjust 
>> the medication accordingly. I don?t know if I am right about my Doxy 
>> theory (and it is just pure conjecture on my part, based on my 
>> non-vet research) but I really think that the Doxy is part of the 
>> effective package. I feel that the Doxy holds the virus in check ? 
>> perhaps slowing down its reproduction by inhibiting RNA synthesis ? 
>> enough to allow the body to make some progress with the Winstrol. I 
>> don?t think that the Winstrol on its own is enough.
>>
>> With the Doxy, I used to scrape the quarter tablet into a slab of 
>> butter to coat it with butter, to help it slide down better, since 
>> the quarter table it very dry and scratchy. I also posted recently 
>> that the Doxy we get from vets (and even from our doctors) is the 
>> same as what you can get to treat fish or birds, in a pet store, and 
>> that is sold in powdered packages of 100 mg (same as 1 tablet). A 
>> prescription isn?t needed for it, and because it is powdered, it can 
>> be mixed into food or liquid.
>>
>> Great news, too, with your success in getting her to eat more and put 
>> on weight.
>>
>> I love to hear good news on this front. Let?s hope she continues in 
>> the right direction.
>>
>> Amani
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Randy Henke
>> Sent: January-19-17 9:53 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement
>>
>> It has been a little over a month ago that I asked for advice on this 
>> forum for our little girl, Curly.
>> At that point, I had little hope. She was so lethargic and her 
>> hematocrit had dipped to a critical 9%. I took everyone's advice, 
>> especially Amani's, and asked our vet for Predisolone, Winstrol and 
>> Doxycycline.
>> According to her latest CBC two weeks ago, she is still a very sick 
>> kitty but her hematocrit rebounded to 15% which I know is still very 
>> low. All other numbers are improving slowly as well. That was after 
>> less than three weeks of treatment.
>> She is due for another CBC next Tuesday and I am hopeful we will see 
>> more improvement. I've noticed her gums are more pink which I believe 
>> is a good sign.
>> We were still having problems with getting her to eat. She would have 
>> her good days and her bad days but her weight was still creeping 
>> down. Last week I asked our vet about Mirtazapine and our vet agreed 
>> to give us a prescription for it. I have to thank Robert for 
>> mentioning this in one of his posts.
>>
>> One day last week she didn't want to eat so I gave her a quarter pill 
>> (3.75 mg) which is the dose our vet prescribed to give her daily. The 
>> result was phenomenal and almost a little scary. She was bouncing off 
>> the walls within a few hours and eating everything she could get her 
>> paws on. I almost felt a little sorry for her because it was like she 
>> couldn't sit still for more than a couple of minutes. But it was like 
>> getting our old Curly back again in just a single day!
>> The effect tapered off after a couple of days and we didn't feel 
>> comfortable giving her another dose until she stopped eating again 
>> because of how dramatic the change was. I've read online that a 
>> smaller dose could be effective if given every 72 hours so we are 
>> going to try doing that so she keeps eating. It was incredible to see 
>> her weight go up by a quarter pound in just a couple of days.
>> We are continuing the Prednisolone and Winstrol at the recommended 
>> doses but our two week Doxycycline prescription ran out over a week 
>> ago. She does appear to still be making improvement without it but 
>> I'm wondering if I should ask for another prescription to keep that 
>> going as well.
>> I always worry about giving her the quarter pill of Doxy because I 
>> know it can cause esophageal damage if it isn't followed by liquids. 
>> I was following the pill with the liquid Winstrol solution but wasn't 
>> sure if that was enough.
>> Many thanks to everyone who gave us advice. It looks like we might 
>> have our Curly back for at least a while yet and it's all because of 
>> you people.
>> Randy
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 22:42:44 -0600
>> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual 
>> improvement
>> Message-ID: <000501d272d7$a53ba3d0$efb2eb70$@centurytel.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Hi Amani ? you just reminded me that I had purchased Doxycyclene for 
>> our 21 year old cockatiel ? Selu ? a few years ago. He was 
>> experiencing some respiratory problems and I had to mix it into his 
>> water. It worked well as I remember.
>>
>> Ardy
>>
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Amani Oakley
>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:11 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement
>>
>>
>> Oh Randy, I am so THRILLED to hear of your positive response to the 
>> medications, and that your vet was so helpful. (What does your vet 
>> think of the response?) You may think that 15% haematocrit is still 
>> very sick, and it is still well outside the normal range, but you?ve 
>> basically had a 60% increase in haematocrit in 3 weeks. That is quite 
>> amazing and wonderful. It is as good a result as you would have had 
>> with 2 units of blood being given as a transfusion, only it is much 
>> better than a transfusion because Curly is producing her own cells, 
>> rather than temporarily filling up with someone else?s blood.
>>
>>
>> With respect to the Doxy, I am not sure. If it were me, I would 
>> probably want to continue if you can. You?ve had a very good result. 
>> Why mess with the formula? I can?t say definitively, one way or the 
>> other, since I very much figured things out by running weekly blood 
>> work and if I saw a dip or a reversal in the numbers, I would adjust 
>> the medication accordingly. I don?t know if I am right about my Doxy 
>> theory (and it is just pure conjecture on my part, based on my 
>> non-vet research) but I really think that the Doxy is part of the 
>> effective package. I feel that the Doxy holds the virus in check ? 
>> perhaps slowing down its reproduction by inhibiting RNA synthesis ? 
>> enough to allow the body to make some progress with the Winstrol. I 
>> don?t think that the Winstrol on its own is enough.
>>
>>
>> With the Doxy, I used to scrape the quarter tablet into a slab of 
>> butter to coat it with butter, to help it slide down better, since 
>> the quarter table it very dry and scratchy. I also posted recently 
>> that the Doxy we get from vets (and even from our doctors) is the 
>> same as what you can get to treat fish or birds, in a pet store, and 
>> that is sold in powdered packages of 100 mg (same as 1 tablet). A 
>> prescription isn?t needed for it, and because it is powdered, it can 
>> be mixed into food or liquid.
>>
>>
>> Great news, too, with your success in getting her to eat more and put 
>> on weight.
>>
>>
>> I love to hear good news on this front. Let?s hope she continues in 
>> the right direction.
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Randy Henke
>> Sent: January-19-17 9:53 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org  Subject: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual 
>> improvement
>>
>>
>> It has been a little over a month ago that I asked for advice on this 
>> forum for our little girl, Curly.
>>
>> At that point, I had little hope. She was so lethargic and her 
>> hematocrit had dipped to a critical 9%. I took everyone's advice, 
>> especially Amani's, and asked our vet for Predisolone, Winstrol and 
>> Doxycycline.
>>
>> According to her latest CBC two weeks ago, she is still a very sick 
>> kitty but her hematocrit rebounded to 15% which I know is still very 
>> low. All other numbers are improving slowly as well. That was after 
>> less than three weeks of treatment.
>>
>> She is due for another CBC next Tuesday and I am hopeful we will see 
>> more improvement. I've noticed her gums are more pink which I believe 
>> is a good sign.
>>
>> We were still having problems with getting her to eat. She would have 
>> her good days and her bad days but her weight was still creeping 
>> down. Last week I asked our vet about Mirtazapine and our vet agreed 
>> to give us a prescription for it. I have to thank Robert for 
>> mentioning this in one of his posts.
>>
>> One day last week she didn't want to eat so I gave her a quarter pill 
>> (3.75 mg) which is the dose our vet prescribed to give her daily. The 
>> result was phenomenal and almost a little scary. She was bouncing off 
>> the walls within a few hours and eating everything she could get her 
>> paws on. I almost felt a little sorry for her because it was like she 
>> couldn't sit still for more than a couple of minutes. But it was like 
>> getting our old Curly back again in just a single day!
>>
>> The effect tapered off after a couple of days and we didn't feel 
>> comfortable giving her another dose until she stopped eating again 
>> because of how dramatic the change was. I've read online that a 
>> smaller dose could be effective if given every 72 hours so we are 
>> going to try doing that so she keeps eating. It was incredible to see 
>> her weight go up by a quarter pound in just a couple of days.
>>
>> We are continuing the Prednisolone and Winstrol at the recommended 
>> doses but our two week Doxycycline prescription ran out over a week 
>> ago. She does appear to still be making improvement without it but 
>> I'm wondering if I should ask for another prescription to keep that 
>> going as well.
>>
>> I always worry about giving her the quarter pill of Doxy because I 
>> know it can cause esophageal damage if it isn't followed by liquids. 
>> I was following the pill with the liquid Winstrol solution but wasn't 
>> sure if that was enough.
>>
>> Many thanks to everyone who gave us advice. It looks like we might 
>> have our Curly back for at least a while yet and it's all because of 
>> you people.
>>
>> Randy
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