[Felvtalk] Curly...
ROBERT CHAPEL
bchapel at optonline.net
Fri Jan 20 02:51:29 CST 2017
Randy...
You might want to invest in an inexpensive Mortar and Pestle ( available
in any Kitchen store if you don't already have one) they are quite
useful in grinding virtually any compressed pill into fine powder if you
spend a little extra time..... I have one devoted to only pet meds and
I do all my mixing in it as well so tha no powder is wasted ( eg... if
I'm going to give Doxy/Winstrol in food I'll grind...then add food and
then, perhaps, a little water or broth depending on which food I'm
using... I'm sure you've discovered which foods are best to assure Curly
will eat them with meds added ( My Guy will only take meds mixed in Baby
food with some powdered Temptations treats added.... other days he won't
consider it... so generally I mix the Winstrol and Doxy with a ML or two
of Broth and administer with Syringe.... this assures that he gets the
full dose and obviates worries about any sticking around in his
esophagus... I very seldom pill him any more unless I am in a huge rush
and it's either that or skip the dose.... IF.. I pill him I always
follow with a ML or two of water and a few Kitty treats in hopes that
there is no residual to cause problems.... BTW... a HCT jump from 9 to
15 in only a couple of weeks is Wonderful....If I were you I wouldn't
change a thing simply because you don't really know which of the
components is " more " responsible for the results or if it's the
synergy between all three..... Once he's closer to Normal Levels you
could play around a little... but I'd , personally, wait on changing
anything in the protocol that you've been using...
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> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
> [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement
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> Oh Randy, I am so THRILLED to hear of your positive response to the
> medications, and that your vet was so helpful. (What does your vet
> think of the response?) You may think that 15% haematocrit is still
> very sick, and it is still well outside the normal range, but you?ve
> basically had a 60% increase in haematocrit in 3 weeks. That is quite
> amazing and wonderful. It is as good a result as you would have had
> with 2 units of blood being given as a transfusion, only it is much
> better than a transfusion because Curly is producing her own cells,
> rather than temporarily filling up with someone else?s blood.
>
> With respect to the Doxy, I am not sure. If it were me, I would
> probably want to continue if you can. You?ve had a very good result.
> Why mess with the formula? I can?t say definitively, one way or the
> other, since I very much figured things out by running weekly blood
> work and if I saw a dip or a reversal in the numbers, I would adjust
> the medication accordingly. I don?t know if I am right about my Doxy
> theory (and it is just pure conjecture on my part, based on my non-vet
> research) but I really think that the Doxy is part of the effective
> package. I feel that the Doxy holds the virus in check ? perhaps
> slowing down its reproduction by inhibiting RNA synthesis ? enough to
> allow the body to make some progress with the Winstrol. I don?t think
> that the Winstrol on its own is enough.
>
> With the Doxy, I used to scrape the quarter tablet into a slab of
> butter to coat it with butter, to help it slide down better, since the
> quarter table it very dry and scratchy. I also posted recently that
> the Doxy we get from vets (and even from our doctors) is the same as
> what you can get to treat fish or birds, in a pet store, and that is
> sold in powdered packages of 100 mg (same as 1 tablet). A prescription
> isn?t needed for it, and because it is powdered, it can be mixed into
> food or liquid.
>
> Great news, too, with your success in getting her to eat more and put
> on weight.
>
> I love to hear good news on this front. Let?s hope she continues in
> the right direction.
>
> Amani
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Randy Henke
> Sent: January-19-17 9:53 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement
>
> It has been a little over a month ago that I asked for advice on this
> forum for our little girl, Curly.
> At that point, I had little hope. She was so lethargic and her
> hematocrit had dipped to a critical 9%. I took everyone's advice,
> especially Amani's, and asked our vet for Predisolone, Winstrol and
> Doxycycline.
> According to her latest CBC two weeks ago, she is still a very sick
> kitty but her hematocrit rebounded to 15% which I know is still very
> low. All other numbers are improving slowly as well. That was after
> less than three weeks of treatment.
> She is due for another CBC next Tuesday and I am hopeful we will see
> more improvement. I've noticed her gums are more pink which I believe
> is a good sign.
> We were still having problems with getting her to eat. She would have
> her good days and her bad days but her weight was still creeping down.
> Last week I asked our vet about Mirtazapine and our vet agreed to give
> us a prescription for it. I have to thank Robert for mentioning this
> in one of his posts.
>
> One day last week she didn't want to eat so I gave her a quarter pill
> (3.75 mg) which is the dose our vet prescribed to give her daily. The
> result was phenomenal and almost a little scary. She was bouncing off
> the walls within a few hours and eating everything she could get her
> paws on. I almost felt a little sorry for her because it was like she
> couldn't sit still for more than a couple of minutes. But it was like
> getting our old Curly back again in just a single day!
> The effect tapered off after a couple of days and we didn't feel
> comfortable giving her another dose until she stopped eating again
> because of how dramatic the change was. I've read online that a
> smaller dose could be effective if given every 72 hours so we are
> going to try doing that so she keeps eating. It was incredible to see
> her weight go up by a quarter pound in just a couple of days.
> We are continuing the Prednisolone and Winstrol at the recommended
> doses but our two week Doxycycline prescription ran out over a week
> ago. She does appear to still be making improvement without it but I'm
> wondering if I should ask for another prescription to keep that going
> as well.
> I always worry about giving her the quarter pill of Doxy because I
> know it can cause esophageal damage if it isn't followed by liquids. I
> was following the pill with the liquid Winstrol solution but wasn't
> sure if that was enough.
> Many thanks to everyone who gave us advice. It looks like we might
> have our Curly back for at least a while yet and it's all because of
> you people.
> Randy
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> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual
> improvement
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> Hi Amani ? you just reminded me that I had purchased Doxycyclene for
> our 21 year old cockatiel ? Selu ? a few years ago. He was
> experiencing some respiratory problems and I had to mix it into his
> water. It worked well as I remember.
>
> Ardy
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Amani Oakley
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:11 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement
>
>
> Oh Randy, I am so THRILLED to hear of your positive response to the
> medications, and that your vet was so helpful. (What does your vet
> think of the response?) You may think that 15% haematocrit is still
> very sick, and it is still well outside the normal range, but you?ve
> basically had a 60% increase in haematocrit in 3 weeks. That is quite
> amazing and wonderful. It is as good a result as you would have had
> with 2 units of blood being given as a transfusion, only it is much
> better than a transfusion because Curly is producing her own cells,
> rather than temporarily filling up with someone else?s blood.
>
>
> With respect to the Doxy, I am not sure. If it were me, I would
> probably want to continue if you can. You?ve had a very good result.
> Why mess with the formula? I can?t say definitively, one way or the
> other, since I very much figured things out by running weekly blood
> work and if I saw a dip or a reversal in the numbers, I would adjust
> the medication accordingly. I don?t know if I am right about my Doxy
> theory (and it is just pure conjecture on my part, based on my non-vet
> research) but I really think that the Doxy is part of the effective
> package. I feel that the Doxy holds the virus in check ? perhaps
> slowing down its reproduction by inhibiting RNA synthesis ? enough to
> allow the body to make some progress with the Winstrol. I don?t think
> that the Winstrol on its own is enough.
>
>
> With the Doxy, I used to scrape the quarter tablet into a slab of
> butter to coat it with butter, to help it slide down better, since the
> quarter table it very dry and scratchy. I also posted recently that
> the Doxy we get from vets (and even from our doctors) is the same as
> what you can get to treat fish or birds, in a pet store, and that is
> sold in powdered packages of 100 mg (same as 1 tablet). A prescription
> isn?t needed for it, and because it is powdered, it can be mixed into
> food or liquid.
>
>
> Great news, too, with your success in getting her to eat more and put
> on weight.
>
>
> I love to hear good news on this front. Let?s hope she continues in
> the right direction.
>
>
> Amani
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Randy Henke
> Sent: January-19-17 9:53 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual
> improvement
>
>
> It has been a little over a month ago that I asked for advice on this
> forum for our little girl, Curly.
>
> At that point, I had little hope. She was so lethargic and her
> hematocrit had dipped to a critical 9%. I took everyone's advice,
> especially Amani's, and asked our vet for Predisolone, Winstrol and
> Doxycycline.
>
> According to her latest CBC two weeks ago, she is still a very sick
> kitty but her hematocrit rebounded to 15% which I know is still very
> low. All other numbers are improving slowly as well. That was after
> less than three weeks of treatment.
>
> She is due for another CBC next Tuesday and I am hopeful we will see
> more improvement. I've noticed her gums are more pink which I believe
> is a good sign.
>
> We were still having problems with getting her to eat. She would have
> her good days and her bad days but her weight was still creeping down.
> Last week I asked our vet about Mirtazapine and our vet agreed to give
> us a prescription for it. I have to thank Robert for mentioning this
> in one of his posts.
>
> One day last week she didn't want to eat so I gave her a quarter pill
> (3.75 mg) which is the dose our vet prescribed to give her daily. The
> result was phenomenal and almost a little scary. She was bouncing off
> the walls within a few hours and eating everything she could get her
> paws on. I almost felt a little sorry for her because it was like she
> couldn't sit still for more than a couple of minutes. But it was like
> getting our old Curly back again in just a single day!
>
> The effect tapered off after a couple of days and we didn't feel
> comfortable giving her another dose until she stopped eating again
> because of how dramatic the change was. I've read online that a
> smaller dose could be effective if given every 72 hours so we are
> going to try doing that so she keeps eating. It was incredible to see
> her weight go up by a quarter pound in just a couple of days.
>
> We are continuing the Prednisolone and Winstrol at the recommended
> doses but our two week Doxycycline prescription ran out over a week
> ago. She does appear to still be making improvement without it but I'm
> wondering if I should ask for another prescription to keep that going
> as well.
>
> I always worry about giving her the quarter pill of Doxy because I
> know it can cause esophageal damage if it isn't followed by liquids. I
> was following the pill with the liquid Winstrol solution but wasn't
> sure if that was enough.
>
> Many thanks to everyone who gave us advice. It looks like we might
> have our Curly back for at least a while yet and it's all because of
> you people.
>
> Randy
>
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