[Felvtalk] Curly...

ROBERT CHAPEL bchapel at optonline.net
Fri Jan 20 02:51:29 CST 2017


Randy...
You might want to invest in an inexpensive Mortar and Pestle ( available 
in any Kitchen store if you don't already have one) they are quite 
useful in grinding virtually any compressed pill into fine powder if you 
spend a little extra time.....  I have one devoted to only pet meds and 
I do all my mixing in it as well so tha no powder is wasted ( eg... if 
I'm going to give Doxy/Winstrol in food I'll grind...then add food and 
then, perhaps, a little water or broth depending on which food I'm 
using... I'm sure you've discovered which foods are best to assure Curly 
will eat them with meds added ( My Guy will only take meds mixed in Baby 
food with some powdered Temptations treats added.... other days he won't 
consider it... so generally I mix the Winstrol and Doxy with a ML or two 
of Broth and administer with Syringe.... this assures that he gets the 
full dose and obviates worries about any sticking around in his 
esophagus... I very seldom pill him any more unless I am in a huge rush 
and it's either that or skip the dose....  IF.. I pill him I always 
follow with a ML or two of water and a few Kitty treats in hopes that 
there is no residual to cause problems....  BTW...  a HCT jump from 9 to 
15 in only a couple of weeks is Wonderful....If I were you I wouldn't 
change a thing simply because  you don't really know which of the 
components is " more " responsible for the results or if it's the 
synergy between all three.....  Once he's closer to Normal Levels you 
could play around a little... but I'd , personally, wait on changing 
anything in the protocol that you've been using...


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> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
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> Oh Randy, I am so THRILLED to hear of your positive response to the 
> medications, and that your vet was so helpful. (What does your vet 
> think of the response?) You may think that 15% haematocrit is still 
> very sick, and it is still well outside the normal range, but you?ve 
> basically had a 60% increase in haematocrit in 3 weeks. That is quite 
> amazing and wonderful. It is as good a result as you would have had 
> with 2 units of blood being given as a transfusion, only it is much 
> better than a transfusion because Curly is producing her own cells, 
> rather than temporarily filling up with someone else?s blood.
>
> With respect to the Doxy, I am not sure. If it were me, I would 
> probably want to continue if you can. You?ve had a very good result. 
> Why mess with the formula? I can?t say definitively, one way or the 
> other, since I very much figured things out by running weekly blood 
> work and if I saw a dip or a reversal in the numbers, I would adjust 
> the medication accordingly. I don?t know if I am right about my Doxy 
> theory (and it is just pure conjecture on my part, based on my non-vet 
> research) but I really think that the Doxy is part of the effective 
> package. I feel that the Doxy holds the virus in check ? perhaps 
> slowing down its reproduction by inhibiting RNA synthesis ? enough to 
> allow the body to make some progress with the Winstrol. I don?t think 
> that the Winstrol on its own is enough.
>
> With the Doxy, I used to scrape the quarter tablet into a slab of 
> butter to coat it with butter, to help it slide down better, since the 
> quarter table it very dry and scratchy. I also posted recently that 
> the Doxy we get from vets (and even from our doctors) is the same as 
> what you can get to treat fish or birds, in a pet store, and that is 
> sold in powdered packages of 100 mg (same as 1 tablet). A prescription 
> isn?t needed for it, and because it is powdered, it can be mixed into 
> food or liquid.
>
> Great news, too, with your success in getting her to eat more and put 
> on weight.
>
> I love to hear good news on this front. Let?s hope she continues in 
> the right direction.
>
> Amani
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Randy Henke
> Sent: January-19-17 9:53 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement
>
> It has been a little over a month ago that I asked for advice on this 
> forum for our little girl, Curly.
> At that point, I had little hope. She was so lethargic and her 
> hematocrit had dipped to a critical 9%. I took everyone's advice, 
> especially Amani's, and asked our vet for Predisolone, Winstrol and 
> Doxycycline.
> According to her latest CBC two weeks ago, she is still a very sick 
> kitty but her hematocrit rebounded to 15% which I know is still very 
> low. All other numbers are improving slowly as well. That was after 
> less than three weeks of treatment.
> She is due for another CBC next Tuesday and I am hopeful we will see 
> more improvement. I've noticed her gums are more pink which I believe 
> is a good sign.
> We were still having problems with getting her to eat. She would have 
> her good days and her bad days but her weight was still creeping down. 
> Last week I asked our vet about Mirtazapine and our vet agreed to give 
> us a prescription for it. I have to thank Robert for mentioning this 
> in one of his posts.
>
> One day last week she didn't want to eat so I gave her a quarter pill 
> (3.75 mg) which is the dose our vet prescribed to give her daily. The 
> result was phenomenal and almost a little scary. She was bouncing off 
> the walls within a few hours and eating everything she could get her 
> paws on. I almost felt a little sorry for her because it was like she 
> couldn't sit still for more than a couple of minutes. But it was like 
> getting our old Curly back again in just a single day!
> The effect tapered off after a couple of days and we didn't feel 
> comfortable giving her another dose until she stopped eating again 
> because of how dramatic the change was. I've read online that a 
> smaller dose could be effective if given every 72 hours so we are 
> going to try doing that so she keeps eating. It was incredible to see 
> her weight go up by a quarter pound in just a couple of days.
> We are continuing the Prednisolone and Winstrol at the recommended 
> doses but our two week Doxycycline prescription ran out over a week 
> ago. She does appear to still be making improvement without it but I'm 
> wondering if I should ask for another prescription to keep that going 
> as well.
> I always worry about giving her the quarter pill of Doxy because I 
> know it can cause esophageal damage if it isn't followed by liquids. I 
> was following the pill with the liquid Winstrol solution but wasn't 
> sure if that was enough.
> Many thanks to everyone who gave us advice. It looks like we might 
> have our Curly back for at least a while yet and it's all because of 
> you people.
> Randy
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> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual 
> improvement
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> Hi Amani ? you just reminded me that I had purchased Doxycyclene for 
> our 21 year old cockatiel ? Selu ? a few years ago. He was 
> experiencing some respiratory problems and I had to mix it into his 
> water. It worked well as I remember.
>
> Ardy
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Amani Oakley
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:11 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement
>
>
> Oh Randy, I am so THRILLED to hear of your positive response to the 
> medications, and that your vet was so helpful. (What does your vet 
> think of the response?) You may think that 15% haematocrit is still 
> very sick, and it is still well outside the normal range, but you?ve 
> basically had a 60% increase in haematocrit in 3 weeks. That is quite 
> amazing and wonderful. It is as good a result as you would have had 
> with 2 units of blood being given as a transfusion, only it is much 
> better than a transfusion because Curly is producing her own cells, 
> rather than temporarily filling up with someone else?s blood.
>
>
> With respect to the Doxy, I am not sure. If it were me, I would 
> probably want to continue if you can. You?ve had a very good result. 
> Why mess with the formula? I can?t say definitively, one way or the 
> other, since I very much figured things out by running weekly blood 
> work and if I saw a dip or a reversal in the numbers, I would adjust 
> the medication accordingly. I don?t know if I am right about my Doxy 
> theory (and it is just pure conjecture on my part, based on my non-vet 
> research) but I really think that the Doxy is part of the effective 
> package. I feel that the Doxy holds the virus in check ? perhaps 
> slowing down its reproduction by inhibiting RNA synthesis ? enough to 
> allow the body to make some progress with the Winstrol. I don?t think 
> that the Winstrol on its own is enough.
>
>
> With the Doxy, I used to scrape the quarter tablet into a slab of 
> butter to coat it with butter, to help it slide down better, since the 
> quarter table it very dry and scratchy. I also posted recently that 
> the Doxy we get from vets (and even from our doctors) is the same as 
> what you can get to treat fish or birds, in a pet store, and that is 
> sold in powdered packages of 100 mg (same as 1 tablet). A prescription 
> isn?t needed for it, and because it is powdered, it can be mixed into 
> food or liquid.
>
>
> Great news, too, with your success in getting her to eat more and put 
> on weight.
>
>
> I love to hear good news on this front. Let?s hope she continues in 
> the right direction.
>
>
> Amani
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Randy Henke
> Sent: January-19-17 9:53 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org  Subject: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual 
> improvement
>
>
> It has been a little over a month ago that I asked for advice on this 
> forum for our little girl, Curly.
>
> At that point, I had little hope. She was so lethargic and her 
> hematocrit had dipped to a critical 9%. I took everyone's advice, 
> especially Amani's, and asked our vet for Predisolone, Winstrol and 
> Doxycycline.
>
> According to her latest CBC two weeks ago, she is still a very sick 
> kitty but her hematocrit rebounded to 15% which I know is still very 
> low. All other numbers are improving slowly as well. That was after 
> less than three weeks of treatment.
>
> She is due for another CBC next Tuesday and I am hopeful we will see 
> more improvement. I've noticed her gums are more pink which I believe 
> is a good sign.
>
> We were still having problems with getting her to eat. She would have 
> her good days and her bad days but her weight was still creeping down. 
> Last week I asked our vet about Mirtazapine and our vet agreed to give 
> us a prescription for it. I have to thank Robert for mentioning this 
> in one of his posts.
>
> One day last week she didn't want to eat so I gave her a quarter pill 
> (3.75 mg) which is the dose our vet prescribed to give her daily. The 
> result was phenomenal and almost a little scary. She was bouncing off 
> the walls within a few hours and eating everything she could get her 
> paws on. I almost felt a little sorry for her because it was like she 
> couldn't sit still for more than a couple of minutes. But it was like 
> getting our old Curly back again in just a single day!
>
> The effect tapered off after a couple of days and we didn't feel 
> comfortable giving her another dose until she stopped eating again 
> because of how dramatic the change was. I've read online that a 
> smaller dose could be effective if given every 72 hours so we are 
> going to try doing that so she keeps eating. It was incredible to see 
> her weight go up by a quarter pound in just a couple of days.
>
> We are continuing the Prednisolone and Winstrol at the recommended 
> doses but our two week Doxycycline prescription ran out over a week 
> ago. She does appear to still be making improvement without it but I'm 
> wondering if I should ask for another prescription to keep that going 
> as well.
>
> I always worry about giving her the quarter pill of Doxy because I 
> know it can cause esophageal damage if it isn't followed by liquids. I 
> was following the pill with the liquid Winstrol solution but wasn't 
> sure if that was enough.
>
> Many thanks to everyone who gave us advice. It looks like we might 
> have our Curly back for at least a while yet and it's all because of 
> you people.
>
> Randy
>
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