[Felvtalk] Jelly...

ROBERT CHAPEL bchapel at optonline.net
Sat Apr 8 22:53:36 CDT 2017


Sheri...
You make a good point...  I'd need someones help to visualize the inside 
of his mouth( any time I open his mouth or mess with his gums he 
interprets it as nasty medicine coming his way or being " forced" to 
take in nutrition...  I know the vet I took him to did not check his 
mouth....  I can't speak about the vet that the shelter took him to for 
the original incorrect Dx( He certainly SHOULD have checked his mouth as 
the presenting complaint was that he was not eating... but can't say for 
sure.   I'm inclined to think that this is not the limiting factor  as 
he doesn't really even show an interest in food and the food that is 
made available to him right now is VERY easy on his mouth ( ie.. does 
not require any substantive chewing) That said...  I will keep this in 
the forfront of my brain as something to pay more attention to.....    
I'm in a race against time with this little guy as he is losing weight 
rather quickly( which can be the virus alone... but his failure to take 
in adequate calories is exacerbating the situation......   Today his 
high spots were even higher but his low times were even lower ( if that 
makes any sense)... eg... He ate a little and was more sociable for a 
brief while but when he was over that he really wanted to be left 
alone....  I don't force him to do anything he doesn't want to do save 
for brooking NO opposition when it comes to taking his Winstrol Doxy and 
Pred and at least 30 CC of Baby Food and additional fluids if he is not 
drinking much ( like today)...  I'm going to try to get him some SubQ 
fluids over at the shelter tomorrow... He's slowing down on his 
drinking.
I tell Jelly how everyone is rooting for him  : )     Strangely he does 
not appear moved by this news  : )

Bob


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> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:14:52 -0500
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> SO happy to hear you've had some ups again- praying he's stable long 
> enough
> for the meds to work their miracles for Jelly!
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> Bob, I am right there with you trying not to get my hopes up when 
> things go
> well for awhile but I'm SO happy that you had those good moments with 
> Jelly
> today! I love how much you love your animals, I'm the same, mine are 
> all my
> kids, I have a real soft spot for special needs animals.
>
> I thought I'd ask since I'm dealing with this with Mo, have you 
> checked
> Jelly's mouth for sores? Mo has a bunch on his palate that the vet 
> compared
> to canker sores and said it makes swallowing painful. I've been giving 
> Mo
> tiny syringes of Buprenorphine 2-3 times a day to help him eat. I just
> thought I'd throw it out there in case Jelly could be helped with 
> something
> like that too?
>
> I hope you both are having a good evening and I'm willing the meds to 
> work
> for Jelly from here!
>
> Sheri
>
> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 5:05 PM ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for your support and suggestions...  It is a comfort to 
>> me
>> that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we 
>> can
>> develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to 
>> me
>> are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : )
>> it is that much more painful....
>> I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming 
>> and
>> pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting 
>> me
>> to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate a little 
>> bit
>> of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few hours and I was
>> hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the 
>> rest
>> of the baby food I left on the plate....   I don't know which bothers 
>> me
>> more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just 
>> never
>> getting my hopes up?...  When I returned home he was quite lethargic 
>> and
>> had not touched any of  the food...   His gurgling ( which had abated
>> considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this
>> Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a
>> challenge again.....  Still... he DID improve for a few hours which "
>> may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all...  Every day I decide
>> to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times...  But.. 
>> I'm a
>> little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty
>> discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life 
>> left...
>> As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....  I'm 
>> actually
>> rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always 
>> was
>> turkey baby food....   Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite 
>> the
>> side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his 
>> throat....
>> Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it...   I leave plates 
>> of
>> anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout 
>> the
>> day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is
>> inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is 
>> not
>> wanting for affection....  any time that he is willing to stay near 
>> me
>> he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was...  I am literally
>> unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on 
>> some
>> part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets but really quite the same 
>> with
>> any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a 
>> youngster.....
>>    I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I
>> don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at
>> least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog).....   So.... thank you 
>> all
>> for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide 
>> the
>> little creatures that so many others overlook...
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
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> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly..
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> Been there and done that.  You don't know which way to go, afraid if 
> you do euthanize him orher it will be a wrong decision and yet you do 
> not want them to suffer  I would rather suffer great pain my self. 
> Right now, Annie is recovering from an upper respiratory infection and 
> since she is positive, it has me worried.  I asked my vet about 
> Winstrol and Doxy and she is willing to try it.  Thank you Lord.  She 
> is eating, drinking and although she has lost a little weight, seems 
> to be doing well.  Main thing now is she goes about the house meaowing 
> all the time. driving me nuts.  She wants me to eight sit with her or 
> go to b ed so she can lay on my chest.  I don't know she will do when 
> I go in hospital for a valve repalacement, will be gone for a week. 
> When I went in 4 days for broken arm, they all sat on me, grabbed hold 
> with ther claws as though trying to force me to stay home.  They are 
> just recovering from that.  Annie is quiet now, sitting on desk in 
> front of me.  Hope your baby gets well, will keep you both in my 
> prayers.
>
> ---- ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
>> Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to 
>> me
> that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we 
> can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL 
> to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : 
> )?????? it is that much more painful....
> I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming 
> and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side 
> inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate 
> a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few 
> hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have 
> finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't 
> know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed 
> hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned 
> home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ? 
> His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe 
> the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a 
> little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID 
> improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at 
> all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down 
> about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my 
> ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that 
> still HAS some life left...
> As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm 
> actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which 
> always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch 
> opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down 
> his throat.... ? Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ? 
> I leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous 
> places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a " 
> bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this 
> little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is 
> willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it 
> was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal 
> without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets 
> but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that 
> way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY 
> conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their 
> boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would 
> be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and 
> particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures 
> that so many others overlook...
>
> Bob?
>
>
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>>    2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley)
>>    3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson)
>>    4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding
>>       (Sheri Burbridge)
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> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
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> Bob, I am thrilled you have seen a bit of improvement, though I get 
> your cautiousness as well. It could be something, it could be nothing, 
> but any improvement lifts the spirits a bit. Also, based on the lab 
> results I saw, it will take a long while to correct the abnormalities 
> there, so anticipate a long slow battle. Hopefully, you continue to 
> see bright-spots, and that those bright-spots increase in frequency 
> and duration.
>
> Keep up the patient, kind work for little Jelly.
>
> Amani
>
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> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
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> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Cc: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly..
>
> Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to 
> me that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we 
> can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL 
> to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : 
> ) it is that much more painful....
> I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming 
> and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side 
> inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate 
> a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few 
> hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have 
> finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't 
> know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed 
> hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned 
> home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ? 
> His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe 
> the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a 
> little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID 
> improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at 
> all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down 
> about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my 
> ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that 
> still HAS some life left...
> As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm 
> actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which 
> always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch 
> opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down 
> his throat.... Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ? I 
> leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous 
> places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a " 
> bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this 
> little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is 
> willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it 
> was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal 
> without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets 
> but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that 
> way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY 
> conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their 
> boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would 
> be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and 
> particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures 
> that so many others overlook...
>
> Bob?
>
>
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>>    2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley)
>>    3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson)
>>    4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding
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