From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Mon Apr 3 16:22:03 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 21:22:03 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Is Anyone Out There? Message-ID: Hi Everyone, One of our group list is trying to get on the list and says he hasn't heard from anyone in a while, and his posts are not being posted. He has tried to reach the moderator with no success. Anyone know what is going on? Amani -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Mon Apr 3 16:24:28 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 21:24:28 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still active In-Reply-To: <7be6c778.6c2cf.15b35af74e0.Webtop.32@optonline.net> References: <1c39abd2.6a535.15b2a921643.Webtop.56@optonline.net> <7be6c778.6c2cf.15b35af74e0.Webtop.32@optonline.net> Message-ID: Here is the exchange I have had with Bob. Bob, I hope it is okay to post for you, since your emails haven?t gone through. Amani From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bchapel at optonline.net] Sent: April-03-17 5:19 PM To: Amani Oakley Subject: RE: FeLV talk still active No word from the moderator and no mail from the list... this is REALLY strange and happening at a really bad time... I am SO damn heartbroken I don't have words... Jelly is MY Zander... a very special companion much more like a dog. My shadow whenever I was home... I am going to miss him SO damn much and I don't want him to suffer even a day.... But... I don't want to just put him down while he has a little quality of life.. Won't take up any more time.... I'm going to write to some of the other list members and see if they have been active.... Bob On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: Robert I am incredibly and deeply upset and saddened by your news. Do try the Doxy and Winstrol to see if there might be some change. With that high white cell count, there is some sort of a bacterial infection going on, as I mentioned in my last email. The Doxy is often effective when other antibiotics don?t work. I haven?t received any postings from the FeLV group. I find it odd that it would just stop functioning. Have you tried writing to the moderator to see if there is some sort of problem? Amani From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bchapel at optonline.net] Sent: April-01-17 1:31 PM To: Amani Oakley Subject: FeLV talk still active Sorry to interrupt you Amani but I've written a few times to the FeLV list and not seen my mail appear nor have I gotten anything from the list in many days.... Have you? Do you know if it's still active. My remaining cat ( and very special one) is definitely on his way out and I really liked having the support of the group during these times ( most of my friends are " understanding " but don't really "get" how important a pet is to some of us..... I don't think I have much time left with him... 186000 WBC, a tumor near his lungs and he's not eating at all ( I have him on Pred, and Mirtazapine and when I pick him back up from the shelter today I'll start him on Doxy, and winstrol just in case it might help a bit.... HCT dropped from 42 to 20 in the past 5 weeks but don't have a reticulocyte reading as I only had 1000.00 to devote to the guy this month and the Xrays and other exams ate this up rapidly..... Honestly.... if it is a lymphoma and he doesn't start eating on his own I don't think he'll last much longer.. his breathing is being affected as well... BTW.... not asking for you to get involved... just wanted to tell SOMEONE who gets it.... Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 3 16:26:54 2017 From: toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net (Margo) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 17:26:54 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Felvtalk] Is Anyone Out There? Message-ID: <13516217.14939.1491254814551@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 3 16:36:14 2017 From: toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net (Margo) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 17:36:14 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still active Message-ID: <24701968.15096.1491255374649@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Mon Apr 3 16:43:26 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 21:43:26 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still active In-Reply-To: <24701968.15096.1491255374649@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <24701968.15096.1491255374649@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Margo I am wondering if it might have been those annoying bounce-backs I get all the time. I just wrote to Bob now to let him know that my email and yours have come through, so I suggested he retry posting his. I am heartbroken for him. His other cat ? Jello ? has apparently been diagnosed with a tumour in the lung. He told me over the weekend that he was bringing him home. He has a high white cell count (18,600), and his haematocrit has dropped from 42 to 22 in a few weeks, and he isn?t eating. Bob had sent me his lab results previously and even though the total WBC hadn?t been elevated then, I told him I thought there was a bacterial infection at play because the neutrophil percentage and actual count were both elevated. I think, but am not sure, that in the clinic, they had Jello on Bayatril. I suggested he try the Doxy and Winstrol. The Doxy is often effective in circumstances where other antibiotics are not effective and the Winstrol my assist getting his haematocrit to stabilize and improve appetite. I am not sure if Bob has had a chance to try this out yet, but he is despondent. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: April-03-17 5:36 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still active Crap. I'd assumed it was quiet because everyone was just kind of bumping along. I am so sorry, is there anything I can do to help? I'll try a private email to him later, in case this doesn't get thru. Margo -----Original Message----- From: Amani Oakley Sent: Apr 3, 2017 5:24 PM To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still active Here is the exchange I have had with Bob. Bob, I hope it is okay to post for you, since your emails haven?t gone through. Amani From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bchapel at optonline.net] Sent: April-03-17 5:19 PM To: Amani Oakley Subject: RE: FeLV talk still active No word from the moderator and no mail from the list... this is REALLY strange and happening at a really bad time... I am SO damn heartbroken I don't have words... Jelly is MY Zander... a very special companion much more like a dog. My shadow whenever I was home... I am going to miss him SO damn much and I don't want him to suffer even a day.... But... I don't want to just put him down while he has a little quality of life.. Won't take up any more time.... I'm going to write to some of the other list members and see if they have been active.... Bob On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: Robert I am incredibly and deeply upset and saddened by your news. Do try the Doxy and Winstrol to see if there might be some change. With that high white cell count, there is some sort of a bacterial infection going on, as I mentioned in my last email. The Doxy is often effective when other antibiotics don?t work. I haven?t received any postings from the FeLV group. I find it odd that it would just stop functioning. Have you tried writing to the moderator to see if there is some sort of problem? Amani From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bchapel at optonline.net] Sent: April-01-17 1:31 PM To: Amani Oakley Subject: FeLV talk still active Sorry to interrupt you Amani but I've written a few times to the FeLV list and not seen my mail appear nor have I gotten anything from the list in many days.... Have you? Do you know if it's still active. My remaining cat ( and very special one) is definitely on his way out and I really liked having the support of the group during these times ( most of my friends are " understanding " but don't really "get" how important a pet is to some of us..... I don't think I have much time left with him... 186000 WBC, a tumor near his lungs and he's not eating at all ( I have him on Pred, and Mirtazapine and when I pick him back up from the shelter today I'll start him on Doxy, and winstrol just in case it might help a bit.... HCT dropped from 42 to 20 in the past 5 weeks but don't have a reticulocyte reading as I only had 1000.00 to devote to the guy this month and the Xrays and other exams ate this up rapidly..... Honestly.... if it is a lymphoma and he doesn't start eating on his own I don't think he'll last much longer.. his breathing is being affected as well... BTW.... not asking for you to get involved... just wanted to tell SOMEONE who gets it.... Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mairafavela at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 16:57:44 2017 From: mairafavela at gmail.com (Maira Favela) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 14:57:44 -0700 Subject: [Felvtalk] Is Anyone Out There? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Robert, my heart goes out for you and your little companion. Dont stop fighting till the very end. May God be with both of you, and much prayer. On Apr 3, 2017 2:22 PM, "Amani Oakley" wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > One of our group list is trying to get on the list and says he hasn?t > heard from anyone in a while, and his posts are not being posted. He has > tried to reach the moderator with no success. Anyone know what is going on? > > Amani > > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bchapel at optonline.net Mon Apr 3 17:22:10 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 18:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Bad News.. Message-ID: <26ec2d43.6c3b5.15b35e93fce.Webtop.32@optonline.net> Hello All: I'm going to make this somewhat brief as I've had my last two messages NOT post..nor had I received any group messages until about 5 minutes ago.. My remaining cat ( Magellin..? nee?? Jelly )? who is my little love...? much like Amani's Zander.? Stopped eating a week and one half ago...? Hospitalized for two days and vet said very bad URI and possible lungworm This was the vet the shelter uses and they often don't look to hard first time out to save the shelter $$...??? Long Story short ( just as matters went with my other little guy) I had to spend the money anyway to get an accurate DX...??? He has a tumor ( likely lymphoma) just forward of his heart... a WBC of 186000 and rapidly dropping HCT ( 5 weeks earlier I had an extensive wellness exam on him and he was FINE... top of the chart HCT... just a couple of other glitches... He really HATES being force fed and I don't know I am doing him any favors prolonging his life this way as it is not likely that he is going to begin to eat again on his own if it is the tumor and the Virus that are causing the loss of appetite...OR making it difficult for him TO eat ( though he does seem to do OK with the Pica that alerted me to the fact that he might be anemic... he was eating cat litter and licking the cement powder off the laundry room floor).... I force fed him for a week in hopes that he might begin to eat again on his own....? He's on Mirtazapine, Prednisolone, Winstrol and Doxy right now but It's literally killing me to have my little boy just unable to play or eat or enjoy being petted...?? All the best of what we had is in abeyance....??? I don't want him to starve to death but if I keep him alive by force feeding him? I could just be setting him up for death by another means ( he is clearly having difficulty breathing...using accessory muscles...? only occassionally lying on his side comfortably).....? He does not appear to be in abject pain so I am reluctant to put him down but it is SO trying for me particularly in he wake of losing my other little guy only a couple of months ago after nearly a year of trying to get him well......?? And, once again, there is the damn matter of financial limitations.?? If there were a "cure" and it cost me a few thousand I would spend the money.. but with a FeLV cat it is highly questionable if thousands spent could even guarantee a few more months....? Currently I am force feeding him a few oz's a day of AD with a calorie supplement paste mixed in... Just enough to keep him from starving and giving him some fluid... just in case buying him a few extra days witnesses any kind of change for the positive with the meds he's getting.....????? I'm trying NOT to give in to putting him down now to save ME the heartache of watching another cat die over a matter of months...?? Living alone and having no one? to talk to about this that shares my feelings for this guy and won't get VERY tired of hearing about it? makes it that much more difficult.....? I'm getting VERY depressed and closure could at least leave me having only grief to deal with...which is, frankly, a LOT easier than the daily....?? " is he doing better"?? " maybe a miracle will occur"... or putting him on my chest only to have him be so uncomfortable there that he immediately leaves....?? That's the hardest part.... He's here physically but I no longer have MY Jelly...?? Thanks for listening...?? any suggestions welcome... Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From swacht1946 at comcast.net Mon Apr 3 17:29:41 2017 From: swacht1946 at comcast.net (Sandy) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 22:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Felvtalk] Bad News.. In-Reply-To: <26ec2d43.6c3b5.15b35e93fce.Webtop.32@optonline.net> References: <26ec2d43.6c3b5.15b35e93fce.Webtop.32@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1744879798.171592722.1491258581436.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Oh Bob - my heart aches for you - difficult to find the right words of comfort. I'm just going to say I know you won't let you kitty suffer - you are the guardian. Magellin and you are in my thoughts and prayers. Sandy W ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 6:22:10 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Bad News.. Hello All: I'm going to make this somewhat brief as I've had my last two messages NOT post..nor had I received any group messages until about 5 minutes ago.. My remaining cat ( Magellin.. nee Jelly ) who is my little love... much like Amani's Zander. Stopped eating a week and one half ago... Hospitalized for two days and vet said very bad URI and possible lungworm This was the vet the shelter uses and they often don't look to hard first time out to save the shelter $$... Long Story short ( just as matters went with my other little guy) I had to spend the money anyway to get an accurate DX... He has a tumor ( likely lymphoma) just forward of his heart... a WBC of 186000 and rapidly dropping HCT ( 5 weeks earlier I had an extensive wellness exam on him and he was FINE... top of the chart HCT... just a couple of other glitches... He really HATES being force fed and I don't know I am doing him any favors prolonging his life this way as it is not likely that he is going to begin to eat again on his own if it is the tumor and the Virus that are causing the loss of appetite...OR making it difficult for him TO eat ( though he does seem to do OK with the Pica that alerted me to the fact that he might be anemic... he was eating cat litter and licking the cement powder off the laundry room floor).... I force fed him for a week in hopes that he might begin to eat again on his own.... He's on Mirtazapine, Prednisolone, Winstrol and Doxy right now but It's literally killing me to have my little boy just unable to play or eat or enjoy being petted... All the best of what we had is in abeyance.... I don't want him to starve to death but if I keep him alive by force feeding him I could just be setting him up for death by another means ( he is clearly having difficulty breathing...using accessory muscles... only occassionally lying on his side comfortably)..... He does not appear to be in abject pain so I am reluctant to put him down but it is SO trying for me particularly in he wake of losing my other little guy only a couple of months ago after nearly a year of trying to get him well...... And, once again, there is the damn matter of financial limitations. If there were a "cure" and it cost me a few thousand I would spend the money.. but with a FeLV cat it is highly questionable if thousands spent could even guarantee a few more months.... Currently I am force feeding him a few oz's a day of AD with a calorie supplement paste mixed in... Just enough to keep him from starving and giving him some fluid... just in case buying him a few extra days witnesses any kind of change for the positive with the meds he's getting..... I'm trying NOT to give in to putting him down now to save ME the heartache of watching another cat die over a matter of months... Living alone and having no one to talk to about this that shares my feelings for this guy and won't get VERY tired of hearing about it makes it that much more difficult..... I'm getting VERY depressed and closure could at least leave me having only grief to deal with...which is, frankly, a LOT easier than the daily.... " is he doing better"? " maybe a miracle will occur"... or putting him on my chest only to have him be so uncomfortable there that he immediately leaves.... That's the hardest part.... He's here physically but I no longer have MY Jelly... Thanks for listening... any suggestions welcome... Bob _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kathstix at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 19:08:19 2017 From: kathstix at gmail.com (Katherine K.) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 20:08:19 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] Bad News.. In-Reply-To: <26ec2d43.6c3b5.15b35e93fce.Webtop.32@optonline.net> References: <26ec2d43.6c3b5.15b35e93fce.Webtop.32@optonline.net> Message-ID: Sorry to hear about your Jelly boy. I've been there with the pica/anemia, difficulty breathing, and not wanting to eat. I don't have any magic advice, but please know we're here for you and Magellan. It's clear he is well loved On Apr 3, 2017 6:22 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL" wrote: > Hello All: > I'm going to make this somewhat brief as I've had my last two messages NOT > post..nor had I received any group messages until about 5 minutes ago.. > My remaining cat ( Magellin.. nee Jelly ) who is my little love... > much like Amani's Zander. Stopped eating > a week and one half ago... Hospitalized for two days and vet said very > bad URI and possible lungworm > This was the vet the shelter uses and they often don't look to hard first > time out to save the shelter $$... Long Story short ( just as matters > went with my other little guy) I had to spend the money anyway to get an > accurate DX... He has a tumor ( likely lymphoma) just forward of his > heart... a WBC of 186000 and rapidly dropping HCT ( 5 weeks earlier I had > an extensive wellness exam on him and he was FINE... top of the chart > HCT... just a couple of other glitches... > He really HATES being force fed and I don't know I am doing him any favors > prolonging his life this way as it is not likely that he is going to begin > to eat again on his own if it is the tumor and the Virus that are causing > the > loss of appetite...OR making it difficult for him TO eat ( though he does > seem to do OK with the Pica that alerted me to the fact that he might be > anemic... he was eating cat litter and licking the cement powder off the > laundry room floor).... > I force fed him for a week in hopes that he might begin to eat again on > his own.... He's on Mirtazapine, Prednisolone, Winstrol and Doxy right now > but It's literally killing me to have my little boy just unable to play or > eat or enjoy being petted... All the best of what we had is in > abeyance.... I don't want him to starve to death but if I keep him alive > by force feeding him I could just be setting him up for death by another > means ( he is clearly having difficulty breathing...using accessory > muscles... only occassionally lying on his side comfortably)..... He does > not appear to be in abject pain so I am reluctant to put him down but it is > SO trying for me particularly in he wake of losing my other little guy only > a couple of months ago after nearly a year of trying to get him > well...... And, once again, there is the damn matter of financial > limitations. If there were a "cure" and it cost me a few thousand I would > spend the money.. but with a FeLV cat it is highly questionable if > thousands spent could even guarantee a few more months.... Currently I am > force feeding him a few oz's a day of AD with a calorie supplement paste > mixed in... Just enough to keep him from starving and giving him some > fluid... just in case buying him a few extra days witnesses any kind of > change for the positive with the meds he's getting..... I'm trying NOT > to give in to putting him down now to save ME the heartache of watching > another cat die over a matter of months... Living alone and having no > one to talk to about this that shares my feelings for this guy and won't > get VERY tired of hearing about it makes it that much more difficult..... > I'm getting VERY depressed and closure could at least leave me having only > grief to deal with...which is, frankly, a LOT easier than the daily.... " > is he doing better"? " maybe a miracle will occur"... or putting him on my > chest only to have him be so uncomfortable there that he immediately > leaves.... That's the hardest part.... He's here physically but I no > longer have MY Jelly... Thanks for listening... any suggestions > welcome... > > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moonvine at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 19:32:19 2017 From: moonvine at gmail.com (Kelley S) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 19:32:19 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Is Anyone Out There? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I never ever see first posts. Only replies. On Monday, April 3, 2017, Maira Favela wrote: > Robert, my heart goes out for you and your little companion. Dont stop > fighting till the very end. May God be with both of you, and much prayer. > > On Apr 3, 2017 2:22 PM, "Amani Oakley" > wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> One of our group list is trying to get on the list and says he hasn?t >> heard from anyone in a while, and his posts are not being posted. He has >> tried to reach the moderator with no success. Anyone know what is going on? >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From merrykatmeows at email.com Mon Apr 3 19:33:25 2017 From: merrykatmeows at email.com (kat) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 02:33:25 +0200 Subject: [Felvtalk] Is Anyone Out There? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Mon Apr 3 19:35:34 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 00:35:34 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Is Anyone Out There? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think it is okay now. Once I posted, everyone else started posting, and Bob has also been able to post directly. I am not sure what problem Bob was encountering, but he really wanted the support of the group in the awful circumstances he is facing again, heartbreakingly so soon after losing his other little boy. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kat Sent: April-03-17 8:33 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Is Anyone Out There? Amani, I thought the list was just quiet because things had settled down for everyone - but come to think of it, I don't think I got my monthly reminder email this month... Maybe something is going on with our moderator, James, or maybe the listserv itself?? Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 at 5:22 PM From: "Amani Oakley" > To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" > Subject: [Felvtalk] Is Anyone Out There? Hi Everyone, One of our group list is trying to get on the list and says he hasn?t heard from anyone in a while, and his posts are not being posted. He has tried to reach the moderator with no success. Anyone know what is going on? Amani _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From merrykatmeows at email.com Mon Apr 3 19:42:03 2017 From: merrykatmeows at email.com (kat) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 02:42:03 +0200 Subject: [Felvtalk] Bad News.. In-Reply-To: <26ec2d43.6c3b5.15b35e93fce.Webtop.32@optonline.net> References: <26ec2d43.6c3b5.15b35e93fce.Webtop.32@optonline.net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ardyr at centurytel.net Mon Apr 3 22:14:02 2017 From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 22:14:02 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still active In-Reply-To: References: <1c39abd2.6a535.15b2a921643.Webtop.56@optonline.net> <7be6c778.6c2cf.15b35af74e0.Webtop.32@optonline.net> Message-ID: <014e01d2acf1$834e5390$89eafab0$@centurytel.net> So sorry for what you are dealing with Bob??that is one thing the members here do get ? how important our babies are to us. I sincerely hope and pray the meds work for Jelly. Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 4:24 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still active Here is the exchange I have had with Bob. Bob, I hope it is okay to post for you, since your emails haven?t gone through. Amani From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bchapel at optonline.net] Sent: April-03-17 5:19 PM To: Amani Oakley Subject: RE: FeLV talk still active No word from the moderator and no mail from the list... this is REALLY strange and happening at a really bad time... I am SO damn heartbroken I don't have words... Jelly is MY Zander... a very special companion much more like a dog. My shadow whenever I was home... I am going to miss him SO damn much and I don't want him to suffer even a day.... But... I don't want to just put him down while he has a little quality of life.. Won't take up any more time.... I'm going to write to some of the other list members and see if they have been active.... Bob On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: Robert I am incredibly and deeply upset and saddened by your news. Do try the Doxy and Winstrol to see if there might be some change. With that high white cell count, there is some sort of a bacterial infection going on, as I mentioned in my last email. The Doxy is often effective when other antibiotics don?t work. I haven?t received any postings from the FeLV group. I find it odd that it would just stop functioning. Have you tried writing to the moderator to see if there is some sort of problem? Amani From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bchapel at optonline.net] Sent: April-01-17 1:31 PM To: Amani Oakley Subject: FeLV talk still active Sorry to interrupt you Amani but I've written a few times to the FeLV list and not seen my mail appear nor have I gotten anything from the list in many days.... Have you? Do you know if it's still active. My remaining cat ( and very special one) is definitely on his way out and I really liked having the support of the group during these times ( most of my friends are " understanding " but don't really "get" how important a pet is to some of us..... I don't think I have much time left with him... 186000 WBC, a tumor near his lungs and he's not eating at all ( I have him on Pred, and Mirtazapine and when I pick him back up from the shelter today I'll start him on Doxy, and winstrol just in case it might help a bit.... HCT dropped from 42 to 20 in the past 5 weeks but don't have a reticulocyte reading as I only had 1000.00 to devote to the guy this month and the Xrays and other exams ate this up rapidly..... Honestly.... if it is a lymphoma and he doesn't start eating on his own I don't think he'll last much longer.. his breathing is being affected as well... BTW.... not asking for you to get involved... just wanted to tell SOMEONE who gets it.... Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheri7177 at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 12:28:54 2017 From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:28:54 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom Message-ID: Hi everyone! I just joined your board today but I have been reading some of your posts since last week. About 2 months ago we adopted our first FELV cat Violet. 2 weeks later we also adopted her brother Mo. They are amazing, sweet, affectionate cats and we love them so much! Vi is eating every thing in sight, healthy, happy and very playful but poor Mo has really struggled. He lost an eye at 4 months old and is only 5.5lbs. He had a respiratory infection and teeth pulled before he came home with us. The rescue told us they didn't think he had long to live but wanted him to have a home if we would take him. Fast forward 6 weeks and he's been back to their vet twice for tooth roots and non healing gums and to ours when he was obviously in terrible pain while eating. She found sores on his palate and ran bloodwork to check for anemia. I got the bad news last Thurs that he is severely anemic and there is nothing we can do beyond what we were doing (clavamox, prednisone, buprenorphine) and I was devastated... until I finally came across your archives in an exhaustive search on Friday. First, thank you all for sharing, we would have no hope for sweet Mo if it weren't for you. I talked to his vet Sat who hadn't heard of using Winstrol. She agreed to at least switch him to Doxy and research it. I was shocked Yesterday to get a call from her saying she would prescribe it for me!! Luckily, she was having the Doxy compound into a liquid for me and after calling all over, that pharmacy was able to order the Stanozolol. I was able to add the steroid to our Doxy/Pred that we were already doing. I just wanted to ask everyone what their experience has been with this. I know some saw great results, others, not so much. Today Mo was very lethargic and wouldn't eat in the AM but when I came home at lunch he ate quite a bit (for him). His number was 10 last week (I'm not sure if that's just rbc's or not) so I hope I was able to get him the meds in time. Thank you again for the info, it's the only thing that has given me hope to save Mo! Sheri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j13w0lson at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 12:34:33 2017 From: j13w0lson at gmail.com (Jennifer Olson) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:34:33 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] YAY 4 HOPE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mo & Vi & you are in my prayers! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Wed Apr 5 12:55:49 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 17:55:49 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sheri As you have seen and referenced, some people have had good results with the Winstrol/Doxy combination, while others have not. In my opinion, it is at least worth a shot given the very limited alternatives out there. Good that you have a baseline reading on the blood results ? this will allow you to know if he is moving the right direction on the meds. 10 is a haematocrit value, not the RBCs. 10 is low but my cat (Zander) had dropped down to 5, and I was able to pull him out of the abyss ? first with a blood transfusion and then with the Winstrol. When I started the Winstrol, it was after his 2nd blood transfusion, which wasn?t doing more than giving a temporary fix. He had gone up to a 16 haematocrit after the 2nd transfusion, but they had had to stop midway through the second bag of blood because he had had a transfusion reaction and they told me that that was it for being able to give him any more transfusions. I had watched for two months as his haematocrit dropped steadily down from 16 to 10, despite trying all sorts of other options like Interferon and LTCI. I started him on the Winstrol (he was already on Doxy and Prednisone) and within a few days, I noticed a pinkening of his ears and gums, and his weekly blood work showed his haematocrit had gone up to 12. From there, it rose steadily in ones and twos until it finally got back into the normal reference range, as did his platelets and white cells, but it took almost 10 months of treatment and every time I tried to wean him off the Winstrol, his haematocrit and red cells would fall again. I suggest you try the meds, (consider adding prednisone or prednisolone as well), and keep a close eye on his haematology results. Ask for them to run a reticulocyte count with the haematology panel. This should tell you if he is producing new red cells or not. Again, with Zander, his reticulocyte count was basically zero when I started the Winstrol, but it went up almost immediately. I also found the need to give Zander 1/5 tablet of apometoclompromide to get the food to go down. I understand that the virus will often affect the GI tract, including thickening of the intestinal walls, causing food and stool moves very slowly through the GI tract, thus adding to the cat?s malaise, and reduced appetite. Also, this slow down allows more problems to develop in the intestinal walls (with the stool sitting in one spot for a long time). The apometoclopromide increases peristaltic action in the GI tract, pushing food down faster. I found this really helped Zander, since he was also vomiting all the time (including after I would spend an hour getting him to eat or syringe feeding him baby food). The apometoclopromide is given a little bit before feeding, and it worked like a charm. Once I started giving it to him, the vomiting stopped and stool started coming out of him normally. Sadly, however, the meds haven?t worked for everyone. It could be how advanced the condition is before the meds are started, and there is also information online that they have identified a number of strains of the FeLV virus. I suspect that this might also account for the fact that some of us see a great improvement in our cats, while others don?t. I?m crossing my fingers for you and I am very happy that you have a supportive vet. That is often the first big problem, so thankfully, this isn?t an issue you must also deal with. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Burbridge Sent: April-05-17 1:29 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom Hi everyone! I just joined your board today but I have been reading some of your posts since last week. About 2 months ago we adopted our first FELV cat Violet. 2 weeks later we also adopted her brother Mo. They are amazing, sweet, affectionate cats and we love them so much! Vi is eating every thing in sight, healthy, happy and very playful but poor Mo has really struggled. He lost an eye at 4 months old and is only 5.5lbs. He had a respiratory infection and teeth pulled before he came home with us. The rescue told us they didn't think he had long to live but wanted him to have a home if we would take him. Fast forward 6 weeks and he's been back to their vet twice for tooth roots and non healing gums and to ours when he was obviously in terrible pain while eating. She found sores on his palate and ran bloodwork to check for anemia. I got the bad news last Thurs that he is severely anemic and there is nothing we can do beyond what we were doing (clavamox, prednisone, buprenorphine) and I was devastated... until I finally came across your archives in an exhaustive search on Friday. First, thank you all for sharing, we would have no hope for sweet Mo if it weren't for you. I talked to his vet Sat who hadn't heard of using Winstrol. She agreed to at least switch him to Doxy and research it. I was shocked Yesterday to get a call from her saying she would prescribe it for me!! Luckily, she was having the Doxy compound into a liquid for me and after calling all over, that pharmacy was able to order the Stanozolol. I was able to add the steroid to our Doxy/Pred that we were already doing. I just wanted to ask everyone what their experience has been with this. I know some saw great results, others, not so much. Today Mo was very lethargic and wouldn't eat in the AM but when I came home at lunch he ate quite a bit (for him). His number was 10 last week (I'm not sure if that's just rbc's or not) so I hope I was able to get him the meds in time. Thank you again for the info, it's the only thing that has given me hope to save Mo! Sheri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheri7177 at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 14:22:05 2017 From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 19:22:05 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mo was already on Prednisone so I've just continued that daily while adding on the Doxy and now the generic Winstrol. My vet gave me an rx for 60 days of the Winstrol. I hope to run bloodwork again after 30 days. I don't want to check too soon and unfortunately I think we will find out all too soon if it's not helping. She did mention his reticulocyte count was nonexistent last week. I'm currently only able to get him to eat Temptations treats and I put the high calorie gel on his feet when he hasn't eaten at least 100 calories a day. I was syringe feeding him for awhile but I don't want to do that unless he won't eat at all. I'm trying as hard as I can to turn this around for him. I work in healthcare and am very science minded so the theory behind all of this makes sense. I just hope he's got enough gas left in the tank for his body to recover. Sheri On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, 1:56 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > Hi Sheri > > > > As you have seen and referenced, some people have had good results with > the Winstrol/Doxy combination, while others have not. In my opinion, it is > at least worth a shot given the very limited alternatives out there. Good > that you have a baseline reading on the blood results ? this will allow you > to know if he is moving the right direction on the meds. > > > > 10 is a haematocrit value, not the RBCs. 10 is low but my cat (Zander) had > dropped down to 5, and I was able to pull him out of the abyss ? first with > a blood transfusion and then with the Winstrol. When I started the > Winstrol, it was after his 2nd blood transfusion, which wasn?t doing more > than giving a temporary fix. He had gone up to a 16 haematocrit after the 2 > nd transfusion, but they had had to stop midway through the second bag of > blood because he had had a transfusion reaction and they told me that that > was it for being able to give him any more transfusions. I had watched for > two months as his haematocrit dropped steadily down from 16 to 10, despite > trying all sorts of other options like Interferon and LTCI. > > > > I started him on the Winstrol (he was already on Doxy and Prednisone) and > within a few days, I noticed a pinkening of his ears and gums, and his > weekly blood work showed his haematocrit had gone up to 12. From there, it > rose steadily in ones and twos until it finally got back into the normal > reference range, as did his platelets and white cells, but it took almost > 10 months of treatment and every time I tried to wean him off the Winstrol, > his haematocrit and red cells would fall again. > > > > I suggest you try the meds, (consider adding prednisone or prednisolone as > well), and keep a close eye on his haematology results. Ask for them to run > a reticulocyte count with the haematology panel. This should tell you if he > is producing new red cells or not. Again, with Zander, his reticulocyte > count was basically zero when I started the Winstrol, but it went up almost > immediately. > > > > I also found the need to give Zander 1/5 tablet of apometoclompromide to > get the food to go down. I understand that the virus will often affect the > GI tract, including thickening of the intestinal walls, causing food and > stool moves very slowly through the GI tract, thus adding to the cat?s > malaise, and reduced appetite. Also, this slow down allows more problems to > develop in the intestinal walls (with the stool sitting in one spot for a > long time). The apometoclopromide increases peristaltic action in the GI > tract, pushing food down faster. I found this really helped Zander, since > he was also vomiting all the time (including after I would spend an hour > getting him to eat or syringe feeding him baby food). The apometoclopromide > is given a little bit before feeding, and it worked like a charm. Once I > started giving it to him, the vomiting stopped and stool started coming out > of him normally. > > > > Sadly, however, the meds haven?t worked for everyone. It could be how > advanced the condition is before the meds are started, and there is also > information online that they have identified a number of strains of the > FeLV virus. I suspect that this might also account for the fact that some > of us see a great improvement in our cats, while others don?t. I?m crossing > my fingers for you and I am very happy that you have a supportive vet. That > is often the first big problem, so thankfully, this isn?t an issue you must > also deal with. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Sheri Burbridge > *Sent:* April-05-17 1:29 PM > *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] New FELV mom > > > > Hi everyone! I just joined your board today but I have been reading some > of your posts since last week. > > > > About 2 months ago we adopted our first FELV cat Violet. 2 weeks later we > also adopted her brother Mo. They are amazing, sweet, affectionate cats and > we love them so much! > > > > Vi is eating every thing in sight, healthy, happy and very playful but > poor Mo has really struggled. He lost an eye at 4 months old and is only > 5.5lbs. He had a respiratory infection and teeth pulled before he came home > with us. The rescue told us they didn't think he had long to live but > wanted him to have a home if we would take him. > > > > Fast forward 6 weeks and he's been back to their vet twice for tooth roots > and non healing gums and to ours when he was obviously in terrible pain > while eating. She found sores on his palate and ran bloodwork to check for > anemia. I got the bad news last Thurs that he is severely anemic and there > is nothing we can do beyond what we were doing (clavamox, prednisone, > buprenorphine) and I was devastated... until I finally came across your > archives in an exhaustive search on Friday. > > > > First, thank you all for sharing, we would have no hope for sweet Mo if it > weren't for you. I talked to his vet Sat who hadn't heard of using > Winstrol. She agreed to at least switch him to Doxy and research it. I was > shocked Yesterday to get a call from her saying she would prescribe it for > me!! > > > > Luckily, she was having the Doxy compound into a liquid for me and after > calling all over, that pharmacy was able to order the Stanozolol. I was > able to add the steroid to our Doxy/Pred that we were already doing. > > > > I just wanted to ask everyone what their experience has been with this. I > know some saw great results, others, not so much. Today Mo was very > lethargic and wouldn't eat in the AM but when I came home at lunch he ate > quite a bit (for him). > > > > His number was 10 last week (I'm not sure if that's just rbc's or not) so > I hope I was able to get him the meds in time. > > > > Thank you again for the info, it's the only thing that has given me hope > to save Mo! > > > > Sheri > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheri7177 at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 14:22:18 2017 From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 19:22:18 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] YAY 4 HOPE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you! On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, 1:34 PM Jennifer Olson wrote: > Mo & Vi & you are in my prayers! > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bchapel at optonline.net Wed Apr 5 16:09:36 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 17:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Vi and Mo... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4734a18f.6fd80.15b3ff389e8.Webtop.45@optonline.net> Sheri... I know , all too well, what you are going through and hope to the power of 10 that the meds help for mo as much as they have for others on the list....?? The more people out there recognize that FeLV is not always a death sentence ( if one has a forward thinking vet) the more people might be willing to adopt these lovely cats ( At the shelter where I volunteer EACH of our FeLV cats is nice than the next)? I am worried about the Colony now because one of the Colony just died from Effusive FIP and since all were raised together there is a high likelihood that the others are still carrying the Corona Virus.... fingers crossed as to whether is will develop into FIP in them....?? So glad you have a vet that will work with you and my hopes are SO with little mo who really hasn't been given a fair shake until you guys came along.....?? Thanks for giving this deserving little guy a home.... EVEN if it's just for a brief while..... Bob On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 01:56 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FW: FeLV talk still active (Ardy Robertson) > 2. New FELV mom (Sheri Burbridge) > 3. YAY 4 HOPE (Jennifer Olson) > 4. Re: New FELV mom (Amani Oakley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 22:14:02 -0500 > From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still > active > Message-ID: <014e01d2acf1$834e5390$89eafab0$@centurytel.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > So sorry for what you are dealing with Bob??that is one thing the > members here do get ? how important our babies are to us. I sincerely > hope and pray the meds work for Jelly. > > Ardy > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of Amani Oakley > Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 4:24 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still active > > > Here is the exchange I have had with Bob. > > > Bob, I hope it is okay to post for you, since your emails haven?t gone > through. > > > Amani > > > From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bchapel at optonline.net] Sent: April-03-17 > 5:19 PM > To: Amani Oakley > Subject: RE: FeLV talk still active > > > No word from the moderator and no mail from the list... this is REALLY > strange and happening at a really bad time... > > I am SO damn heartbroken I don't have words... Jelly is MY Zander... > a very special companion much more like a dog. My shadow whenever I > was home... I am going to miss him SO damn much and I don't want him > to suffer even a day.... But... I don't want to just put him down > while he has a little quality of life.. > > Won't take up any more time.... I'm going to write to some of the > other list members and see if they have been active.... > > Bob > > > On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Robert > > > I am incredibly and deeply upset and saddened by your news. Do try the > Doxy and Winstrol to see if there might be some change. With that high > white cell count, there is some sort of a bacterial infection going > on, as I mentioned in my last email. The Doxy is often effective when > other antibiotics don?t work. > > > I haven?t received any postings from the FeLV group. I find it odd > that it would just stop functioning. Have you tried writing to the > moderator to see if there is some sort of problem? > > > Amani > > From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bchapel at optonline.net] Sent: April-01-17 > 1:31 PM > To: Amani Oakley > Subject: FeLV talk still active > > > Sorry to interrupt you Amani but I've written a few times to the FeLV > list and not seen my mail appear nor have I gotten anything from the > list in many days.... Have you? Do you know if it's still active. > My remaining cat ( and very special one) is definitely on his way out > and I really liked having the support of the group during these times > ( most of my friends are " understanding " but don't really "get" how > important a pet is to some of us..... I don't think I have much time > left with him... 186000 WBC, a tumor near his lungs and he's not > eating at all ( I have him on Pred, and Mirtazapine and when I pick > him back up from the shelter today I'll start him on Doxy, and > winstrol just in case it might help a bit.... HCT dropped from 42 to > 20 in the past 5 weeks but don't have a reticulocyte reading as I only > had 1000.00 to devote to the guy this month and the Xrays and other > exams ate this up rapidly..... Honestly.... if it is a lymphoma and > he doesn't start eating on his own I don't think he'll last much > longer.. his breathing is being affected as well... > BTW.... not asking for you to get involved... just wanted to tell > SOMEONE who gets it.... > > Bob > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:28:54 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi everyone! I just joined your board today but I have been reading > some of > your posts since last week. > > About 2 months ago we adopted our first FELV cat Violet. 2 weeks later > we > also adopted her brother Mo. They are amazing, sweet, affectionate > cats and > we love them so much! > > Vi is eating every thing in sight, healthy, happy and very playful but > poor > Mo has really struggled. He lost an eye at 4 months old and is only > 5.5lbs. > He had a respiratory infection and teeth pulled before he came home > with > us. The rescue told us they didn't think he had long to live but > wanted him > to have a home if we would take him. > > Fast forward 6 weeks and he's been back to their vet twice for tooth > roots > and non healing gums and to ours when he was obviously in terrible > pain > while eating. She found sores on his palate and ran bloodwork to check > for > anemia. I got the bad news last Thurs that he is severely anemic and > there > is nothing we can do beyond what we were doing (clavamox, prednisone, > buprenorphine) and I was devastated... until I finally came across > your > archives in an exhaustive search on Friday. > > First, thank you all for sharing, we would have no hope for sweet Mo > if it > weren't for you. I talked to his vet Sat who hadn't heard of using > Winstrol. She agreed to at least switch him to Doxy and research it. I > was > shocked Yesterday to get a call from her saying she would prescribe it > for > me!! > > Luckily, she was having the Doxy compound into a liquid for me and > after > calling all over, that pharmacy was able to order the Stanozolol. I > was > able to add the steroid to our Doxy/Pred that we were already doing. > > I just wanted to ask everyone what their experience has been with > this. I > know some saw great results, others, not so much. Today Mo was very > lethargic and wouldn't eat in the AM but when I came home at lunch he > ate > quite a bit (for him). > > His number was 10 last week (I'm not sure if that's just rbc's or not) > so I > hope I was able to get him the meds in time. > > Thank you again for the info, it's the only thing that has given me > hope to > save Mo! > > Sheri > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:34:33 -0500 > From: Jennifer Olson To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] YAY 4 HOPE > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Mo & Vi & you are in my prayers! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 17:55:49 +0000 > From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: > [Felvtalk] New FELV mom > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Sheri > > As you have seen and referenced, some people have had good results > with the Winstrol/Doxy combination, while others have not. In my > opinion, it is at least worth a shot given the very limited > alternatives out there. Good that you have a baseline reading on the > blood results ? this will allow you to know if he is moving the right > direction on the meds. > > 10 is a haematocrit value, not the RBCs. 10 is low but my cat (Zander) > had dropped down to 5, and I was able to pull him out of the abyss ? > first with a blood transfusion and then with the Winstrol. When I > started the Winstrol, it was after his 2nd blood transfusion, which > wasn?t doing more than giving a temporary fix. He had gone up to a 16 > haematocrit after the 2nd transfusion, but they had had to stop midway > through the second bag of blood because he had had a transfusion > reaction and they told me that that was it for being able to give him > any more transfusions. I had watched for two months as his haematocrit > dropped steadily down from 16 to 10, despite trying all sorts of other > options like Interferon and LTCI. > > I started him on the Winstrol (he was already on Doxy and Prednisone) > and within a few days, I noticed a pinkening of his ears and gums, and > his weekly blood work showed his haematocrit had gone up to 12. From > there, it rose steadily in ones and twos until it finally got back > into the normal reference range, as did his platelets and white cells, > but it took almost 10 months of treatment and every time I tried to > wean him off the Winstrol, his haematocrit and red cells would fall > again. > > I suggest you try the meds, (consider adding prednisone or > prednisolone as well), and keep a close eye on his haematology > results. Ask for them to run a reticulocyte count with the haematology > panel. This should tell you if he is producing new red cells or not. > Again, with Zander, his reticulocyte count was basically zero when I > started the Winstrol, but it went up almost immediately. > > I also found the need to give Zander 1/5 tablet of apometoclompromide > to get the food to go down. I understand that the virus will often > affect the GI tract, including thickening of the intestinal walls, > causing food and stool moves very slowly through the GI tract, thus > adding to the cat?s malaise, and reduced appetite. Also, this slow > down allows more problems to develop in the intestinal walls (with the > stool sitting in one spot for a long time). The apometoclopromide > increases peristaltic action in the GI tract, pushing food down > faster. I found this really helped Zander, since he was also vomiting > all the time (including after I would spend an hour getting him to eat > or syringe feeding him baby food). The apometoclopromide is given a > little bit before feeding, and it worked like a charm. Once I started > giving it to him, the vomiting stopped and stool started coming out of > him normally. > > Sadly, however, the meds haven?t worked for everyone. It could be how > advanced the condition is before the meds are started, and there is > also information online that they have identified a number of strains > of the FeLV virus. I suspect that this might also account for the fact > that some of us see a great improvement in our cats, while others > don?t. I?m crossing my fingers for you and I am very happy that you > have a supportive vet. That is often the first big problem, so > thankfully, this isn?t an issue you must also deal with. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of Sheri Burbridge > Sent: April-05-17 1:29 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom > > Hi everyone! I just joined your board today but I have been reading > some of your posts since last week. > > About 2 months ago we adopted our first FELV cat Violet. 2 weeks later > we also adopted her brother Mo. They are amazing, sweet, affectionate > cats and we love them so much! > > Vi is eating every thing in sight, healthy, happy and very playful but > poor Mo has really struggled. He lost an eye at 4 months old and is > only 5.5lbs. He had a respiratory infection and teeth pulled before he > came home with us. The rescue told us they didn't think he had long to > live but wanted him to have a home if we would take him. > > Fast forward 6 weeks and he's been back to their vet twice for tooth > roots and non healing gums and to ours when he was obviously in > terrible pain while eating. She found sores on his palate and ran > bloodwork to check for anemia. I got the bad news last Thurs that he > is severely anemic and there is nothing we can do beyond what we were > doing (clavamox, prednisone, buprenorphine) and I was devastated... > until I finally came across your archives in an exhaustive search on > Friday. > > First, thank you all for sharing, we would have no hope for sweet Mo > if it weren't for you. I talked to his vet Sat who hadn't heard of > using Winstrol. She agreed to at least switch him to Doxy and research > it. I was shocked Yesterday to get a call from her saying she would > prescribe it for me!! > > Luckily, she was having the Doxy compound into a liquid for me and > after calling all over, that pharmacy was able to order the > Stanozolol. I was able to add the steroid to our Doxy/Pred that we > were already doing. > > I just wanted to ask everyone what their experience has been with > this. I know some saw great results, others, not so much. Today Mo was > very lethargic and wouldn't eat in the AM but when I came home at > lunch he ate quite a bit (for him). > > His number was 10 last week (I'm not sure if that's just rbc's or not) > so I hope I was able to get him the meds in time. > > Thank you again for the info, it's the only thing that has given me > hope to save Mo! > > Sheri > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 5 > *************************************** > From bchapel at optonline.net Wed Apr 5 16:09:36 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 17:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Vi and Mo... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4734a18f.6fd80.15b3ff389e8.Webtop.45@optonline.net> Sheri... I know , all too well, what you are going through and hope to the power of 10 that the meds help for mo as much as they have for others on the list....?? The more people out there recognize that FeLV is not always a death sentence ( if one has a forward thinking vet) the more people might be willing to adopt these lovely cats ( At the shelter where I volunteer EACH of our FeLV cats is nice than the next)? I am worried about the Colony now because one of the Colony just died from Effusive FIP and since all were raised together there is a high likelihood that the others are still carrying the Corona Virus.... fingers crossed as to whether is will develop into FIP in them....?? So glad you have a vet that will work with you and my hopes are SO with little mo who really hasn't been given a fair shake until you guys came along.....?? Thanks for giving this deserving little guy a home.... EVEN if it's just for a brief while..... Bob On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 01:56 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FW: FeLV talk still active (Ardy Robertson) > 2. New FELV mom (Sheri Burbridge) > 3. YAY 4 HOPE (Jennifer Olson) > 4. Re: New FELV mom (Amani Oakley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 22:14:02 -0500 > From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still > active > Message-ID: <014e01d2acf1$834e5390$89eafab0$@centurytel.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > So sorry for what you are dealing with Bob??that is one thing the > members here do get ? how important our babies are to us. I sincerely > hope and pray the meds work for Jelly. > > Ardy > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of Amani Oakley > Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 4:24 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still active > > > Here is the exchange I have had with Bob. > > > Bob, I hope it is okay to post for you, since your emails haven?t gone > through. > > > Amani > > > From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bchapel at optonline.net] Sent: April-03-17 > 5:19 PM > To: Amani Oakley > Subject: RE: FeLV talk still active > > > No word from the moderator and no mail from the list... this is REALLY > strange and happening at a really bad time... > > I am SO damn heartbroken I don't have words... Jelly is MY Zander... > a very special companion much more like a dog. My shadow whenever I > was home... I am going to miss him SO damn much and I don't want him > to suffer even a day.... But... I don't want to just put him down > while he has a little quality of life.. > > Won't take up any more time.... I'm going to write to some of the > other list members and see if they have been active.... > > Bob > > > On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Robert > > > I am incredibly and deeply upset and saddened by your news. Do try the > Doxy and Winstrol to see if there might be some change. With that high > white cell count, there is some sort of a bacterial infection going > on, as I mentioned in my last email. The Doxy is often effective when > other antibiotics don?t work. > > > I haven?t received any postings from the FeLV group. I find it odd > that it would just stop functioning. Have you tried writing to the > moderator to see if there is some sort of problem? > > > Amani > > From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bchapel at optonline.net] Sent: April-01-17 > 1:31 PM > To: Amani Oakley > Subject: FeLV talk still active > > > Sorry to interrupt you Amani but I've written a few times to the FeLV > list and not seen my mail appear nor have I gotten anything from the > list in many days.... Have you? Do you know if it's still active. > My remaining cat ( and very special one) is definitely on his way out > and I really liked having the support of the group during these times > ( most of my friends are " understanding " but don't really "get" how > important a pet is to some of us..... I don't think I have much time > left with him... 186000 WBC, a tumor near his lungs and he's not > eating at all ( I have him on Pred, and Mirtazapine and when I pick > him back up from the shelter today I'll start him on Doxy, and > winstrol just in case it might help a bit.... HCT dropped from 42 to > 20 in the past 5 weeks but don't have a reticulocyte reading as I only > had 1000.00 to devote to the guy this month and the Xrays and other > exams ate this up rapidly..... Honestly.... if it is a lymphoma and > he doesn't start eating on his own I don't think he'll last much > longer.. his breathing is being affected as well... > BTW.... not asking for you to get involved... just wanted to tell > SOMEONE who gets it.... > > Bob > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:28:54 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi everyone! I just joined your board today but I have been reading > some of > your posts since last week. > > About 2 months ago we adopted our first FELV cat Violet. 2 weeks later > we > also adopted her brother Mo. They are amazing, sweet, affectionate > cats and > we love them so much! > > Vi is eating every thing in sight, healthy, happy and very playful but > poor > Mo has really struggled. He lost an eye at 4 months old and is only > 5.5lbs. > He had a respiratory infection and teeth pulled before he came home > with > us. The rescue told us they didn't think he had long to live but > wanted him > to have a home if we would take him. > > Fast forward 6 weeks and he's been back to their vet twice for tooth > roots > and non healing gums and to ours when he was obviously in terrible > pain > while eating. She found sores on his palate and ran bloodwork to check > for > anemia. I got the bad news last Thurs that he is severely anemic and > there > is nothing we can do beyond what we were doing (clavamox, prednisone, > buprenorphine) and I was devastated... until I finally came across > your > archives in an exhaustive search on Friday. > > First, thank you all for sharing, we would have no hope for sweet Mo > if it > weren't for you. I talked to his vet Sat who hadn't heard of using > Winstrol. She agreed to at least switch him to Doxy and research it. I > was > shocked Yesterday to get a call from her saying she would prescribe it > for > me!! > > Luckily, she was having the Doxy compound into a liquid for me and > after > calling all over, that pharmacy was able to order the Stanozolol. I > was > able to add the steroid to our Doxy/Pred that we were already doing. > > I just wanted to ask everyone what their experience has been with > this. I > know some saw great results, others, not so much. Today Mo was very > lethargic and wouldn't eat in the AM but when I came home at lunch he > ate > quite a bit (for him). > > His number was 10 last week (I'm not sure if that's just rbc's or not) > so I > hope I was able to get him the meds in time. > > Thank you again for the info, it's the only thing that has given me > hope to > save Mo! > > Sheri > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:34:33 -0500 > From: Jennifer Olson To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] YAY 4 HOPE > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Mo & Vi & you are in my prayers! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 17:55:49 +0000 > From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: > [Felvtalk] New FELV mom > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Sheri > > As you have seen and referenced, some people have had good results > with the Winstrol/Doxy combination, while others have not. In my > opinion, it is at least worth a shot given the very limited > alternatives out there. Good that you have a baseline reading on the > blood results ? this will allow you to know if he is moving the right > direction on the meds. > > 10 is a haematocrit value, not the RBCs. 10 is low but my cat (Zander) > had dropped down to 5, and I was able to pull him out of the abyss ? > first with a blood transfusion and then with the Winstrol. When I > started the Winstrol, it was after his 2nd blood transfusion, which > wasn?t doing more than giving a temporary fix. He had gone up to a 16 > haematocrit after the 2nd transfusion, but they had had to stop midway > through the second bag of blood because he had had a transfusion > reaction and they told me that that was it for being able to give him > any more transfusions. I had watched for two months as his haematocrit > dropped steadily down from 16 to 10, despite trying all sorts of other > options like Interferon and LTCI. > > I started him on the Winstrol (he was already on Doxy and Prednisone) > and within a few days, I noticed a pinkening of his ears and gums, and > his weekly blood work showed his haematocrit had gone up to 12. From > there, it rose steadily in ones and twos until it finally got back > into the normal reference range, as did his platelets and white cells, > but it took almost 10 months of treatment and every time I tried to > wean him off the Winstrol, his haematocrit and red cells would fall > again. > > I suggest you try the meds, (consider adding prednisone or > prednisolone as well), and keep a close eye on his haematology > results. Ask for them to run a reticulocyte count with the haematology > panel. This should tell you if he is producing new red cells or not. > Again, with Zander, his reticulocyte count was basically zero when I > started the Winstrol, but it went up almost immediately. > > I also found the need to give Zander 1/5 tablet of apometoclompromide > to get the food to go down. I understand that the virus will often > affect the GI tract, including thickening of the intestinal walls, > causing food and stool moves very slowly through the GI tract, thus > adding to the cat?s malaise, and reduced appetite. Also, this slow > down allows more problems to develop in the intestinal walls (with the > stool sitting in one spot for a long time). The apometoclopromide > increases peristaltic action in the GI tract, pushing food down > faster. I found this really helped Zander, since he was also vomiting > all the time (including after I would spend an hour getting him to eat > or syringe feeding him baby food). The apometoclopromide is given a > little bit before feeding, and it worked like a charm. Once I started > giving it to him, the vomiting stopped and stool started coming out of > him normally. > > Sadly, however, the meds haven?t worked for everyone. It could be how > advanced the condition is before the meds are started, and there is > also information online that they have identified a number of strains > of the FeLV virus. I suspect that this might also account for the fact > that some of us see a great improvement in our cats, while others > don?t. I?m crossing my fingers for you and I am very happy that you > have a supportive vet. That is often the first big problem, so > thankfully, this isn?t an issue you must also deal with. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of Sheri Burbridge > Sent: April-05-17 1:29 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom > > Hi everyone! I just joined your board today but I have been reading > some of your posts since last week. > > About 2 months ago we adopted our first FELV cat Violet. 2 weeks later > we also adopted her brother Mo. They are amazing, sweet, affectionate > cats and we love them so much! > > Vi is eating every thing in sight, healthy, happy and very playful but > poor Mo has really struggled. He lost an eye at 4 months old and is > only 5.5lbs. He had a respiratory infection and teeth pulled before he > came home with us. The rescue told us they didn't think he had long to > live but wanted him to have a home if we would take him. > > Fast forward 6 weeks and he's been back to their vet twice for tooth > roots and non healing gums and to ours when he was obviously in > terrible pain while eating. She found sores on his palate and ran > bloodwork to check for anemia. I got the bad news last Thurs that he > is severely anemic and there is nothing we can do beyond what we were > doing (clavamox, prednisone, buprenorphine) and I was devastated... > until I finally came across your archives in an exhaustive search on > Friday. > > First, thank you all for sharing, we would have no hope for sweet Mo > if it weren't for you. I talked to his vet Sat who hadn't heard of > using Winstrol. She agreed to at least switch him to Doxy and research > it. I was shocked Yesterday to get a call from her saying she would > prescribe it for me!! > > Luckily, she was having the Doxy compound into a liquid for me and > after calling all over, that pharmacy was able to order the > Stanozolol. I was able to add the steroid to our Doxy/Pred that we > were already doing. > > I just wanted to ask everyone what their experience has been with > this. I know some saw great results, others, not so much. Today Mo was > very lethargic and wouldn't eat in the AM but when I came home at > lunch he ate quite a bit (for him). > > His number was 10 last week (I'm not sure if that's just rbc's or not) > so I hope I was able to get him the meds in time. > > Thank you again for the info, it's the only thing that has given me > hope to save Mo! > > Sheri > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 5 > *************************************** > From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Wed Apr 5 16:30:14 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 21:30:14 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good luck Sheri. I understand all too well the reluctance to add stress by syringe feeding, but I think that the ?gas in the engine? is also dependent on getting in those calories. I rely on baby food. I find that it is usually palatable enough that you can usually syringe a wee bit of it on their lips or just inside their lips ? if they sit or lie down beside you or in your lap (my preferred position), and they will lick at what is in or on their mouth. I think this helps to stimulate their appetite. The Winstrol will often also help improve appetite, strength and a sense of feeling better so that they want to eat a bit more. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Burbridge Sent: April-05-17 3:22 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom Mo was already on Prednisone so I've just continued that daily while adding on the Doxy and now the generic Winstrol. My vet gave me an rx for 60 days of the Winstrol. I hope to run bloodwork again after 30 days. I don't want to check too soon and unfortunately I think we will find out all too soon if it's not helping. She did mention his reticulocyte count was nonexistent last week. I'm currently only able to get him to eat Temptations treats and I put the high calorie gel on his feet when he hasn't eaten at least 100 calories a day. I was syringe feeding him for awhile but I don't want to do that unless he won't eat at all. I'm trying as hard as I can to turn this around for him. I work in healthcare and am very science minded so the theory behind all of this makes sense. I just hope he's got enough gas left in the tank for his body to recover. Sheri On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, 1:56 PM Amani Oakley > wrote: Hi Sheri As you have seen and referenced, some people have had good results with the Winstrol/Doxy combination, while others have not. In my opinion, it is at least worth a shot given the very limited alternatives out there. Good that you have a baseline reading on the blood results ? this will allow you to know if he is moving the right direction on the meds. 10 is a haematocrit value, not the RBCs. 10 is low but my cat (Zander) had dropped down to 5, and I was able to pull him out of the abyss ? first with a blood transfusion and then with the Winstrol. When I started the Winstrol, it was after his 2nd blood transfusion, which wasn?t doing more than giving a temporary fix. He had gone up to a 16 haematocrit after the 2nd transfusion, but they had had to stop midway through the second bag of blood because he had had a transfusion reaction and they told me that that was it for being able to give him any more transfusions. I had watched for two months as his haematocrit dropped steadily down from 16 to 10, despite trying all sorts of other options like Interferon and LTCI. I started him on the Winstrol (he was already on Doxy and Prednisone) and within a few days, I noticed a pinkening of his ears and gums, and his weekly blood work showed his haematocrit had gone up to 12. From there, it rose steadily in ones and twos until it finally got back into the normal reference range, as did his platelets and white cells, but it took almost 10 months of treatment and every time I tried to wean him off the Winstrol, his haematocrit and red cells would fall again. I suggest you try the meds, (consider adding prednisone or prednisolone as well), and keep a close eye on his haematology results. Ask for them to run a reticulocyte count with the haematology panel. This should tell you if he is producing new red cells or not. Again, with Zander, his reticulocyte count was basically zero when I started the Winstrol, but it went up almost immediately. I also found the need to give Zander 1/5 tablet of apometoclompromide to get the food to go down. I understand that the virus will often affect the GI tract, including thickening of the intestinal walls, causing food and stool moves very slowly through the GI tract, thus adding to the cat?s malaise, and reduced appetite. Also, this slow down allows more problems to develop in the intestinal walls (with the stool sitting in one spot for a long time). The apometoclopromide increases peristaltic action in the GI tract, pushing food down faster. I found this really helped Zander, since he was also vomiting all the time (including after I would spend an hour getting him to eat or syringe feeding him baby food). The apometoclopromide is given a little bit before feeding, and it worked like a charm. Once I started giving it to him, the vomiting stopped and stool started coming out of him normally. Sadly, however, the meds haven?t worked for everyone. It could be how advanced the condition is before the meds are started, and there is also information online that they have identified a number of strains of the FeLV virus. I suspect that this might also account for the fact that some of us see a great improvement in our cats, while others don?t. I?m crossing my fingers for you and I am very happy that you have a supportive vet. That is often the first big problem, so thankfully, this isn?t an issue you must also deal with. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Burbridge Sent: April-05-17 1:29 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom Hi everyone! I just joined your board today but I have been reading some of your posts since last week. About 2 months ago we adopted our first FELV cat Violet. 2 weeks later we also adopted her brother Mo. They are amazing, sweet, affectionate cats and we love them so much! Vi is eating every thing in sight, healthy, happy and very playful but poor Mo has really struggled. He lost an eye at 4 months old and is only 5.5lbs. He had a respiratory infection and teeth pulled before he came home with us. The rescue told us they didn't think he had long to live but wanted him to have a home if we would take him. Fast forward 6 weeks and he's been back to their vet twice for tooth roots and non healing gums and to ours when he was obviously in terrible pain while eating. She found sores on his palate and ran bloodwork to check for anemia. I got the bad news last Thurs that he is severely anemic and there is nothing we can do beyond what we were doing (clavamox, prednisone, buprenorphine) and I was devastated... until I finally came across your archives in an exhaustive search on Friday. First, thank you all for sharing, we would have no hope for sweet Mo if it weren't for you. I talked to his vet Sat who hadn't heard of using Winstrol. She agreed to at least switch him to Doxy and research it. I was shocked Yesterday to get a call from her saying she would prescribe it for me!! Luckily, she was having the Doxy compound into a liquid for me and after calling all over, that pharmacy was able to order the Stanozolol. I was able to add the steroid to our Doxy/Pred that we were already doing. I just wanted to ask everyone what their experience has been with this. I know some saw great results, others, not so much. Today Mo was very lethargic and wouldn't eat in the AM but when I came home at lunch he ate quite a bit (for him). His number was 10 last week (I'm not sure if that's just rbc's or not) so I hope I was able to get him the meds in time. Thank you again for the info, it's the only thing that has given me hope to save Mo! Sheri _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheri7177 at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 21:19:39 2017 From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2017 02:19:39 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've struggled with Mo since he came home, literally, the only thing he will eat on his own is the Temptations treats. I count them so I know he's gotten more than his basic needs every day but he's never bowled us over with his appetite, even on mirzapine (definitely misspelled that). He will lick the gel off his feet still, I feel lucky to have found anything he likes but a bit stuck as he won't try anything else! On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, 5:30 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > Good luck Sheri. I understand all too well the reluctance to add stress by > syringe feeding, but I think that the ?gas in the engine? is also dependent > on getting in those calories. I rely on baby food. I find that it is > usually palatable enough that you can usually syringe a wee bit of it on > their lips or just inside their lips ? if they sit or lie down beside you > or in your lap (my preferred position), and they will lick at what is in or > on their mouth. I think this helps to stimulate their appetite. The > Winstrol will often also help improve appetite, strength and a sense of > feeling better so that they want to eat a bit more. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Sheri Burbridge > *Sent:* April-05-17 3:22 PM > *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom > > > > Mo was already on Prednisone so I've just continued that daily while > adding on the Doxy and now the generic Winstrol. My vet gave me an rx for > 60 days of the Winstrol. I hope to run bloodwork again after 30 days. I > don't want to check too soon and unfortunately I think we will find out all > too soon if it's not helping. She did mention his reticulocyte count was > nonexistent last week. > > I'm currently only able to get him to eat Temptations treats and I put the > high calorie gel on his feet when he hasn't eaten at least 100 calories a > day. I was syringe feeding him for awhile but I don't want to do that > unless he won't eat at all. > > I'm trying as hard as I can to turn this around for him. I work in > healthcare and am very science minded so the theory behind all of this > makes sense. I just hope he's got enough gas left in the tank for his body > to recover. > > Sheri > > > > On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, 1:56 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Sheri > > > > As you have seen and referenced, some people have had good results with > the Winstrol/Doxy combination, while others have not. In my opinion, it is > at least worth a shot given the very limited alternatives out there. Good > that you have a baseline reading on the blood results ? this will allow you > to know if he is moving the right direction on the meds. > > > > 10 is a haematocrit value, not the RBCs. 10 is low but my cat (Zander) had > dropped down to 5, and I was able to pull him out of the abyss ? first with > a blood transfusion and then with the Winstrol. When I started the > Winstrol, it was after his 2nd blood transfusion, which wasn?t doing more > than giving a temporary fix. He had gone up to a 16 haematocrit after the 2 > nd transfusion, but they had had to stop midway through the second bag of > blood because he had had a transfusion reaction and they told me that that > was it for being able to give him any more transfusions. I had watched for > two months as his haematocrit dropped steadily down from 16 to 10, despite > trying all sorts of other options like Interferon and LTCI. > > > > I started him on the Winstrol (he was already on Doxy and Prednisone) and > within a few days, I noticed a pinkening of his ears and gums, and his > weekly blood work showed his haematocrit had gone up to 12. From there, it > rose steadily in ones and twos until it finally got back into the normal > reference range, as did his platelets and white cells, but it took almost > 10 months of treatment and every time I tried to wean him off the Winstrol, > his haematocrit and red cells would fall again. > > > > I suggest you try the meds, (consider adding prednisone or prednisolone as > well), and keep a close eye on his haematology results. Ask for them to run > a reticulocyte count with the haematology panel. This should tell you if he > is producing new red cells or not. Again, with Zander, his reticulocyte > count was basically zero when I started the Winstrol, but it went up almost > immediately. > > > > I also found the need to give Zander 1/5 tablet of apometoclompromide to > get the food to go down. I understand that the virus will often affect the > GI tract, including thickening of the intestinal walls, causing food and > stool moves very slowly through the GI tract, thus adding to the cat?s > malaise, and reduced appetite. Also, this slow down allows more problems to > develop in the intestinal walls (with the stool sitting in one spot for a > long time). The apometoclopromide increases peristaltic action in the GI > tract, pushing food down faster. I found this really helped Zander, since > he was also vomiting all the time (including after I would spend an hour > getting him to eat or syringe feeding him baby food). The apometoclopromide > is given a little bit before feeding, and it worked like a charm. Once I > started giving it to him, the vomiting stopped and stool started coming out > of him normally. > > > > Sadly, however, the meds haven?t worked for everyone. It could be how > advanced the condition is before the meds are started, and there is also > information online that they have identified a number of strains of the > FeLV virus. I suspect that this might also account for the fact that some > of us see a great improvement in our cats, while others don?t. I?m crossing > my fingers for you and I am very happy that you have a supportive vet. That > is often the first big problem, so thankfully, this isn?t an issue you must > also deal with. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Sheri Burbridge > *Sent:* April-05-17 1:29 PM > *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] New FELV mom > > > > Hi everyone! I just joined your board today but I have been reading some > of your posts since last week. > > > > About 2 months ago we adopted our first FELV cat Violet. 2 weeks later we > also adopted her brother Mo. They are amazing, sweet, affectionate cats and > we love them so much! > > > > Vi is eating every thing in sight, healthy, happy and very playful but > poor Mo has really struggled. He lost an eye at 4 months old and is only > 5.5lbs. He had a respiratory infection and teeth pulled before he came home > with us. The rescue told us they didn't think he had long to live but > wanted him to have a home if we would take him. > > > > Fast forward 6 weeks and he's been back to their vet twice for tooth roots > and non healing gums and to ours when he was obviously in terrible pain > while eating. She found sores on his palate and ran bloodwork to check for > anemia. I got the bad news last Thurs that he is severely anemic and there > is nothing we can do beyond what we were doing (clavamox, prednisone, > buprenorphine) and I was devastated... until I finally came across your > archives in an exhaustive search on Friday. > > > > First, thank you all for sharing, we would have no hope for sweet Mo if it > weren't for you. I talked to his vet Sat who hadn't heard of using > Winstrol. She agreed to at least switch him to Doxy and research it. I was > shocked Yesterday to get a call from her saying she would prescribe it for > me!! > > > > Luckily, she was having the Doxy compound into a liquid for me and after > calling all over, that pharmacy was able to order the Stanozolol. I was > able to add the steroid to our Doxy/Pred that we were already doing. > > > > I just wanted to ask everyone what their experience has been with this. I > know some saw great results, others, not so much. Today Mo was very > lethargic and wouldn't eat in the AM but when I came home at lunch he ate > quite a bit (for him). > > > > His number was 10 last week (I'm not sure if that's just rbc's or not) so > I hope I was able to get him the meds in time. > > > > Thank you again for the info, it's the only thing that has given me hope > to save Mo! > > > > Sheri > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Wed Apr 5 21:23:51 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 02:23:51 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As I mentioned, Sheri, I will dab baby food on their mouths - on their upper lip even ? beneath their noses. They will usually automatically lick that off. Sometimes that encourages them to eat a bit more because the pureed baby food is easy to lick up, high in protein and vitamins, and very easy on the digestive tract. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Burbridge Sent: April-05-17 10:20 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom I've struggled with Mo since he came home, literally, the only thing he will eat on his own is the Temptations treats. I count them so I know he's gotten more than his basic needs every day but he's never bowled us over with his appetite, even on mirzapine (definitely misspelled that). He will lick the gel off his feet still, I feel lucky to have found anything he likes but a bit stuck as he won't try anything else! On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, 5:30 PM Amani Oakley > wrote: Good luck Sheri. I understand all too well the reluctance to add stress by syringe feeding, but I think that the ?gas in the engine? is also dependent on getting in those calories. I rely on baby food. I find that it is usually palatable enough that you can usually syringe a wee bit of it on their lips or just inside their lips ? if they sit or lie down beside you or in your lap (my preferred position), and they will lick at what is in or on their mouth. I think this helps to stimulate their appetite. The Winstrol will often also help improve appetite, strength and a sense of feeling better so that they want to eat a bit more. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Burbridge Sent: April-05-17 3:22 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom Mo was already on Prednisone so I've just continued that daily while adding on the Doxy and now the generic Winstrol. My vet gave me an rx for 60 days of the Winstrol. I hope to run bloodwork again after 30 days. I don't want to check too soon and unfortunately I think we will find out all too soon if it's not helping. She did mention his reticulocyte count was nonexistent last week. I'm currently only able to get him to eat Temptations treats and I put the high calorie gel on his feet when he hasn't eaten at least 100 calories a day. I was syringe feeding him for awhile but I don't want to do that unless he won't eat at all. I'm trying as hard as I can to turn this around for him. I work in healthcare and am very science minded so the theory behind all of this makes sense. I just hope he's got enough gas left in the tank for his body to recover. Sheri On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, 1:56 PM Amani Oakley > wrote: Hi Sheri As you have seen and referenced, some people have had good results with the Winstrol/Doxy combination, while others have not. In my opinion, it is at least worth a shot given the very limited alternatives out there. Good that you have a baseline reading on the blood results ? this will allow you to know if he is moving the right direction on the meds. 10 is a haematocrit value, not the RBCs. 10 is low but my cat (Zander) had dropped down to 5, and I was able to pull him out of the abyss ? first with a blood transfusion and then with the Winstrol. When I started the Winstrol, it was after his 2nd blood transfusion, which wasn?t doing more than giving a temporary fix. He had gone up to a 16 haematocrit after the 2nd transfusion, but they had had to stop midway through the second bag of blood because he had had a transfusion reaction and they told me that that was it for being able to give him any more transfusions. I had watched for two months as his haematocrit dropped steadily down from 16 to 10, despite trying all sorts of other options like Interferon and LTCI. I started him on the Winstrol (he was already on Doxy and Prednisone) and within a few days, I noticed a pinkening of his ears and gums, and his weekly blood work showed his haematocrit had gone up to 12. From there, it rose steadily in ones and twos until it finally got back into the normal reference range, as did his platelets and white cells, but it took almost 10 months of treatment and every time I tried to wean him off the Winstrol, his haematocrit and red cells would fall again. I suggest you try the meds, (consider adding prednisone or prednisolone as well), and keep a close eye on his haematology results. Ask for them to run a reticulocyte count with the haematology panel. This should tell you if he is producing new red cells or not. Again, with Zander, his reticulocyte count was basically zero when I started the Winstrol, but it went up almost immediately. I also found the need to give Zander 1/5 tablet of apometoclompromide to get the food to go down. I understand that the virus will often affect the GI tract, including thickening of the intestinal walls, causing food and stool moves very slowly through the GI tract, thus adding to the cat?s malaise, and reduced appetite. Also, this slow down allows more problems to develop in the intestinal walls (with the stool sitting in one spot for a long time). The apometoclopromide increases peristaltic action in the GI tract, pushing food down faster. I found this really helped Zander, since he was also vomiting all the time (including after I would spend an hour getting him to eat or syringe feeding him baby food). The apometoclopromide is given a little bit before feeding, and it worked like a charm. Once I started giving it to him, the vomiting stopped and stool started coming out of him normally. Sadly, however, the meds haven?t worked for everyone. It could be how advanced the condition is before the meds are started, and there is also information online that they have identified a number of strains of the FeLV virus. I suspect that this might also account for the fact that some of us see a great improvement in our cats, while others don?t. I?m crossing my fingers for you and I am very happy that you have a supportive vet. That is often the first big problem, so thankfully, this isn?t an issue you must also deal with. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Burbridge Sent: April-05-17 1:29 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom Hi everyone! I just joined your board today but I have been reading some of your posts since last week. About 2 months ago we adopted our first FELV cat Violet. 2 weeks later we also adopted her brother Mo. They are amazing, sweet, affectionate cats and we love them so much! Vi is eating every thing in sight, healthy, happy and very playful but poor Mo has really struggled. He lost an eye at 4 months old and is only 5.5lbs. He had a respiratory infection and teeth pulled before he came home with us. The rescue told us they didn't think he had long to live but wanted him to have a home if we would take him. Fast forward 6 weeks and he's been back to their vet twice for tooth roots and non healing gums and to ours when he was obviously in terrible pain while eating. She found sores on his palate and ran bloodwork to check for anemia. I got the bad news last Thurs that he is severely anemic and there is nothing we can do beyond what we were doing (clavamox, prednisone, buprenorphine) and I was devastated... until I finally came across your archives in an exhaustive search on Friday. First, thank you all for sharing, we would have no hope for sweet Mo if it weren't for you. I talked to his vet Sat who hadn't heard of using Winstrol. She agreed to at least switch him to Doxy and research it. I was shocked Yesterday to get a call from her saying she would prescribe it for me!! Luckily, she was having the Doxy compound into a liquid for me and after calling all over, that pharmacy was able to order the Stanozolol. I was able to add the steroid to our Doxy/Pred that we were already doing. I just wanted to ask everyone what their experience has been with this. I know some saw great results, others, not so much. Today Mo was very lethargic and wouldn't eat in the AM but when I came home at lunch he ate quite a bit (for him). His number was 10 last week (I'm not sure if that's just rbc's or not) so I hope I was able to get him the meds in time. Thank you again for the info, it's the only thing that has given me hope to save Mo! Sheri _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheri7177 at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 10:47:42 2017 From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2017 15:47:42 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Vi and Mo... In-Reply-To: <4734a18f.6fd80.15b3ff389e8.Webtop.45@optonline.net> References: <4734a18f.6fd80.15b3ff389e8.Webtop.45@optonline.net> Message-ID: Bob, I met our cats through the shelter we volunteer at as well. We wanted to adopt sooner but my dog blew out his CCL and needed surgery and to recover first. Then we went to get Mo and they were under quarantine for ringworm. By the time Mo made it back to the adoption room he was stressed and sick and I feel terrible. Violet at least had a home once (her owner passed away which bounced her back to the shelter) Mo has had nothing but the shelter and illness. Giving a home to the "unadoptable" is a beautiful and rewarding thing, I wish people would give these animals a chance too! I hope your colony can recover from their illness, the cats on our FELV room are all sweet as can be too. It always amazes me, the capacity animals have to forgive us for their suffering. How is Jelly? Have the meds helped at all? It's so hard to know what the right thing is sometimes. Sheri On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, 5:09 PM ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: Sheri... I know , all too well, what you are going through and hope to the power of 10 that the meds help for mo as much as they have for others on the list.... The more people out there recognize that FeLV is not always a death sentence ( if one has a forward thinking vet) the more people might be willing to adopt these lovely cats ( At the shelter where I volunteer EACH of our FeLV cats is nice than the next) I am worried about the Colony now because one of the Colony just died from Effusive FIP and since all were raised together there is a high likelihood that the others are still carrying the Corona Virus.... fingers crossed as to whether is will develop into FIP in them.... So glad you have a vet that will work with you and my hopes are SO with little mo who really hasn't been given a fair shake until you guys came along..... Thanks for giving this deserving little guy a home.... EVEN if it's just for a brief while..... Bob On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 01:56 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FW: FeLV talk still active (Ardy Robertson) > 2. New FELV mom (Sheri Burbridge) > 3. YAY 4 HOPE (Jennifer Olson) > 4. Re: New FELV mom (Amani Oakley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 22:14:02 -0500 > From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still > active > Message-ID: <014e01d2acf1$834e5390$89eafab0$@centurytel.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > So sorry for what you are dealing with Bob??that is one thing the > members here do get ? how important our babies are to us. I sincerely > hope and pray the meds work for Jelly. > > Ardy > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of Amani Oakley > Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 4:24 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still active > > > Here is the exchange I have had with Bob. > > > Bob, I hope it is okay to post for you, since your emails haven?t gone > through. > > > Amani > > > From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bchapel at optonline.net] Sent: April-03-17 > 5:19 PM > To: Amani Oakley > Subject: RE: FeLV talk still active > > > No word from the moderator and no mail from the list... this is REALLY > strange and happening at a really bad time... > > I am SO damn heartbroken I don't have words... Jelly is MY Zander... > a very special companion much more like a dog. My shadow whenever I > was home... I am going to miss him SO damn much and I don't want him > to suffer even a day.... But... I don't want to just put him down > while he has a little quality of life.. > > Won't take up any more time.... I'm going to write to some of the > other list members and see if they have been active.... > > Bob > > > On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Robert > > > I am incredibly and deeply upset and saddened by your news. Do try the > Doxy and Winstrol to see if there might be some change. With that high > white cell count, there is some sort of a bacterial infection going > on, as I mentioned in my last email. The Doxy is often effective when > other antibiotics don?t work. > > > I haven?t received any postings from the FeLV group. I find it odd > that it would just stop functioning. Have you tried writing to the > moderator to see if there is some sort of problem? > > > Amani > > From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bchapel at optonline.net] Sent: April-01-17 > 1:31 PM > To: Amani Oakley > Subject: FeLV talk still active > > > Sorry to interrupt you Amani but I've written a few times to the FeLV > list and not seen my mail appear nor have I gotten anything from the > list in many days.... Have you? Do you know if it's still active. > My remaining cat ( and very special one) is definitely on his way out > and I really liked having the support of the group during these times > ( most of my friends are " understanding " but don't really "get" how > important a pet is to some of us..... I don't think I have much time > left with him... 186000 WBC, a tumor near his lungs and he's not > eating at all ( I have him on Pred, and Mirtazapine and when I pick > him back up from the shelter today I'll start him on Doxy, and > winstrol just in case it might help a bit.... HCT dropped from 42 to > 20 in the past 5 weeks but don't have a reticulocyte reading as I only > had 1000.00 to devote to the guy this month and the Xrays and other > exams ate this up rapidly..... Honestly.... if it is a lymphoma and > he doesn't start eating on his own I don't think he'll last much > longer.. his breathing is being affected as well... > BTW.... not asking for you to get involved... just wanted to tell > SOMEONE who gets it.... > > Bob > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:28:54 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi everyone! I just joined your board today but I have been reading > some of > your posts since last week. > > About 2 months ago we adopted our first FELV cat Violet. 2 weeks later > we > also adopted her brother Mo. They are amazing, sweet, affectionate > cats and > we love them so much! > > Vi is eating every thing in sight, healthy, happy and very playful but > poor > Mo has really struggled. He lost an eye at 4 months old and is only > 5.5lbs. > He had a respiratory infection and teeth pulled before he came home > with > us. The rescue told us they didn't think he had long to live but > wanted him > to have a home if we would take him. > > Fast forward 6 weeks and he's been back to their vet twice for tooth > roots > and non healing gums and to ours when he was obviously in terrible > pain > while eating. She found sores on his palate and ran bloodwork to check > for > anemia. I got the bad news last Thurs that he is severely anemic and > there > is nothing we can do beyond what we were doing (clavamox, prednisone, > buprenorphine) and I was devastated... until I finally came across > your > archives in an exhaustive search on Friday. > > First, thank you all for sharing, we would have no hope for sweet Mo > if it > weren't for you. I talked to his vet Sat who hadn't heard of using > Winstrol. She agreed to at least switch him to Doxy and research it. I > was > shocked Yesterday to get a call from her saying she would prescribe it > for > me!! > > Luckily, she was having the Doxy compound into a liquid for me and > after > calling all over, that pharmacy was able to order the Stanozolol. I > was > able to add the steroid to our Doxy/Pred that we were already doing. > > I just wanted to ask everyone what their experience has been with > this. I > know some saw great results, others, not so much. Today Mo was very > lethargic and wouldn't eat in the AM but when I came home at lunch he > ate > quite a bit (for him). > > His number was 10 last week (I'm not sure if that's just rbc's or not) > so I > hope I was able to get him the meds in time. > > Thank you again for the info, it's the only thing that has given me > hope to > save Mo! > > Sheri > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:34:33 -0500 > From: Jennifer Olson To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] YAY 4 HOPE > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Mo & Vi & you are in my prayers! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 17:55:49 +0000 > From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: > [Felvtalk] New FELV mom > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Sheri > > As you have seen and referenced, some people have had good results > with the Winstrol/Doxy combination, while others have not. In my > opinion, it is at least worth a shot given the very limited > alternatives out there. Good that you have a baseline reading on the > blood results ? this will allow you to know if he is moving the right > direction on the meds. > > 10 is a haematocrit value, not the RBCs. 10 is low but my cat (Zander) > had dropped down to 5, and I was able to pull him out of the abyss ? > first with a blood transfusion and then with the Winstrol. When I > started the Winstrol, it was after his 2nd blood transfusion, which > wasn?t doing more than giving a temporary fix. He had gone up to a 16 > haematocrit after the 2nd transfusion, but they had had to stop midway > through the second bag of blood because he had had a transfusion > reaction and they told me that that was it for being able to give him > any more transfusions. I had watched for two months as his haematocrit > dropped steadily down from 16 to 10, despite trying all sorts of other > options like Interferon and LTCI. > > I started him on the Winstrol (he was already on Doxy and Prednisone) > and within a few days, I noticed a pinkening of his ears and gums, and > his weekly blood work showed his haematocrit had gone up to 12. From > there, it rose steadily in ones and twos until it finally got back > into the normal reference range, as did his platelets and white cells, > but it took almost 10 months of treatment and every time I tried to > wean him off the Winstrol, his haematocrit and red cells would fall > again. > > I suggest you try the meds, (consider adding prednisone or > prednisolone as well), and keep a close eye on his haematology > results. Ask for them to run a reticulocyte count with the haematology > panel. This should tell you if he is producing new red cells or not. > Again, with Zander, his reticulocyte count was basically zero when I > started the Winstrol, but it went up almost immediately. > > I also found the need to give Zander 1/5 tablet of apometoclompromide > to get the food to go down. I understand that the virus will often > affect the GI tract, including thickening of the intestinal walls, > causing food and stool moves very slowly through the GI tract, thus > adding to the cat?s malaise, and reduced appetite. Also, this slow > down allows more problems to develop in the intestinal walls (with the > stool sitting in one spot for a long time). The apometoclopromide > increases peristaltic action in the GI tract, pushing food down > faster. I found this really helped Zander, since he was also vomiting > all the time (including after I would spend an hour getting him to eat > or syringe feeding him baby food). The apometoclopromide is given a > little bit before feeding, and it worked like a charm. Once I started > giving it to him, the vomiting stopped and stool started coming out of > him normally. > > Sadly, however, the meds haven?t worked for everyone. It could be how > advanced the condition is before the meds are started, and there is > also information online that they have identified a number of strains > of the FeLV virus. I suspect that this might also account for the fact > that some of us see a great improvement in our cats, while others > don?t. I?m crossing my fingers for you and I am very happy that you > have a supportive vet. That is often the first big problem, so > thankfully, this isn?t an issue you must also deal with. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of Sheri Burbridge > Sent: April-05-17 1:29 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] New FELV mom > > Hi everyone! I just joined your board today but I have been reading > some of your posts since last week. > > About 2 months ago we adopted our first FELV cat Violet. 2 weeks later > we also adopted her brother Mo. They are amazing, sweet, affectionate > cats and we love them so much! > > Vi is eating every thing in sight, healthy, happy and very playful but > poor Mo has really struggled. He lost an eye at 4 months old and is > only 5.5lbs. He had a respiratory infection and teeth pulled before he > came home with us. The rescue told us they didn't think he had long to > live but wanted him to have a home if we would take him. > > Fast forward 6 weeks and he's been back to their vet twice for tooth > roots and non healing gums and to ours when he was obviously in > terrible pain while eating. She found sores on his palate and ran > bloodwork to check for anemia. I got the bad news last Thurs that he > is severely anemic and there is nothing we can do beyond what we were > doing (clavamox, prednisone, buprenorphine) and I was devastated... > until I finally came across your archives in an exhaustive search on > Friday. > > First, thank you all for sharing, we would have no hope for sweet Mo > if it weren't for you. I talked to his vet Sat who hadn't heard of > using Winstrol. She agreed to at least switch him to Doxy and research > it. I was shocked Yesterday to get a call from her saying she would > prescribe it for me!! > > Luckily, she was having the Doxy compound into a liquid for me and > after calling all over, that pharmacy was able to order the > Stanozolol. I was able to add the steroid to our Doxy/Pred that we > were already doing. > > I just wanted to ask everyone what their experience has been with > this. I know some saw great results, others, not so much. Today Mo was > very lethargic and wouldn't eat in the AM but when I came home at > lunch he ate quite a bit (for him). > > His number was 10 last week (I'm not sure if that's just rbc's or not) > so I hope I was able to get him the meds in time. > > Thank you again for the info, it's the only thing that has given me > hope to save Mo! > > Sheri > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 5 > *************************************** > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bchapel at optonline.net Thu Apr 6 15:36:23 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 16:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92a8bee.289cd.15b44fb79fc.Webtop.51@optonline.net> Hi Sheri... You are SO right about not knowing when one is doing right by them...? Jelly is still alive despite refusing to eat anything voluntarily.? He still drinks enough water and Urinates more than usual...?? Perhaps I'm being selfish keeping him alive but I hope from day to day that every day I have him on Winstrol Doxy and Pred? is one day more that _ something_ positive might happen ( though I am worried about the effects of food deprivation along with the Liver enzyme problems associated with Winstrol...? But...? it's a race against time anyway and as long as I am not hurting him more? ( I'd be putting him down otherwise).... Still... I just DON'T know if I'm being fair to him... He doesn't appear to be in abject discomfort but is certainly not " enjoying" life in any way...?? ( though he sometimes appears to enjoy being groomed)... Mostly it is simply breaking my heart several times a day and reducing me to inconsolable tears as I watch this formerly lively loving sociable beautiful 1.5 yr old cat unable to run jump play or eat and I wonder 50 times a day if I should simply put him down for my own sake as WELL as his....? The grief of having him gone will be more intense but the grief of seeing him in decline daily ( particularly days like today when I have to be home to do a lot of paperwork related matters and he's in view every minute) might well be the larger pain......?? I'd prefer for him to die at home but I don't want to make him suffer just SO he can die at home....?? I'm sure all of us have had this " conversation " with out infirm animals...?? Laying next to them and asking them " Should I help you along NOW buddy" ??? Wishing with ALL my heart that he could give me the answer.?? If he were in obvious discomfort I wouldn't hesitate a moment but cats hide their discomfort...? He was hiding out earlier in the process but right now he is laying on the computer simply sleeping....? He will likely get up later and go to his litter box and then go elsewhere and lay down and sleep... He'll drink some water... sniff at whatever food I have out for him, not eat it... and go to sleep again....? The only sign of distress I see/hear is his breathing rate is elevated and he has fluid in his trachea and down possibly into the lungs ( though not noticed on original Xray)...? My heart goes out to you and little mo... perhaps a bit moreso now because I had a little guy who started at a disadvantage and never recovered....? He and Jelly were fast friends for the first couple of months I had him but he rapidly developed complications ( mostly with his eyes ) and soon after was in much pain and unable to play any longer...??? I can't go on with this right now.....?? I am just beside myself that I am losing both of my boys in little over a year from the time I adopted them.....??? I honestly want to help FeLV cats but I don't know if I can stand the sadness of going through this again unless I start living with other people who have an investment in ill cats so I can " share the grief " and care.....?? I live alone and life is not happy for a variety of reasons...? my cats were the bright spot in my day ....? but also a impediment to my being able to get away to do what I needed to do for ME to stay involved socially..??? Another issue for another time...? need to ask the group in a separate note about force feeding... Bob On Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 11:48 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Vi and Mo... (Sheri Burbridge) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2017 15:47:42 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vi and Mo... > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bob, I met our cats through the shelter we volunteer at as well. We > wanted > to adopt sooner but my dog blew out his CCL and needed surgery and to > recover first. Then we went to get Mo and they were under quarantine > for > ringworm. By the time Mo made it back to the adoption room he was > stressed > and sick and I feel terrible. Violet at least had a home once (her > owner > passed away which bounced her back to the shelter) Mo has had nothing > but > the shelter and illness. Giving a home to the "unadoptable" is a > beautiful > and rewarding thing, I wish people would give these animals a chance > too! I > hope your colony can recover from their illness, the cats on our FELV > room > are all sweet as can be too. It always amazes me, the capacity animals > have > to forgive us for their suffering. > > How is Jelly? Have the meds helped at all? It's so hard to know what > the > right thing is sometimes. > > Sheri > > On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, 5:09 PM ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > Sheri... > I know , all too well, what you are going through and hope to the > power > of 10 that the meds help for mo as much as they have for others on the > list.... The more people out there recognize that FeLV is not always > a > death sentence ( if one has a forward thinking vet) the more people > might be willing to adopt these lovely cats ( At the shelter where I > volunteer EACH of our FeLV cats is nice than the next) I am worried > about the Colony now because one of the Colony just died from Effusive > FIP and since all were raised together there is a high likelihood that > the others are still carrying the Corona Virus.... fingers crossed as > to > whether is will develop into FIP in them.... So glad you have a vet > that will work with you and my hopes are SO with little mo who really > hasn't been given a fair shake until you guys came along..... Thanks > for giving this deserving little guy a home.... EVEN if it's just for > a > brief while..... > > Bob > > From bchapel at optonline.net Thu Apr 6 15:36:23 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 16:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92a8bee.289cd.15b44fb79fc.Webtop.51@optonline.net> Hi Sheri... You are SO right about not knowing when one is doing right by them...? Jelly is still alive despite refusing to eat anything voluntarily.? He still drinks enough water and Urinates more than usual...?? Perhaps I'm being selfish keeping him alive but I hope from day to day that every day I have him on Winstrol Doxy and Pred? is one day more that _ something_ positive might happen ( though I am worried about the effects of food deprivation along with the Liver enzyme problems associated with Winstrol...? But...? it's a race against time anyway and as long as I am not hurting him more? ( I'd be putting him down otherwise).... Still... I just DON'T know if I'm being fair to him... He doesn't appear to be in abject discomfort but is certainly not " enjoying" life in any way...?? ( though he sometimes appears to enjoy being groomed)... Mostly it is simply breaking my heart several times a day and reducing me to inconsolable tears as I watch this formerly lively loving sociable beautiful 1.5 yr old cat unable to run jump play or eat and I wonder 50 times a day if I should simply put him down for my own sake as WELL as his....? The grief of having him gone will be more intense but the grief of seeing him in decline daily ( particularly days like today when I have to be home to do a lot of paperwork related matters and he's in view every minute) might well be the larger pain......?? I'd prefer for him to die at home but I don't want to make him suffer just SO he can die at home....?? I'm sure all of us have had this " conversation " with out infirm animals...?? Laying next to them and asking them " Should I help you along NOW buddy" ??? Wishing with ALL my heart that he could give me the answer.?? If he were in obvious discomfort I wouldn't hesitate a moment but cats hide their discomfort...? He was hiding out earlier in the process but right now he is laying on the computer simply sleeping....? He will likely get up later and go to his litter box and then go elsewhere and lay down and sleep... He'll drink some water... sniff at whatever food I have out for him, not eat it... and go to sleep again....? The only sign of distress I see/hear is his breathing rate is elevated and he has fluid in his trachea and down possibly into the lungs ( though not noticed on original Xray)...? My heart goes out to you and little mo... perhaps a bit moreso now because I had a little guy who started at a disadvantage and never recovered....? He and Jelly were fast friends for the first couple of months I had him but he rapidly developed complications ( mostly with his eyes ) and soon after was in much pain and unable to play any longer...??? I can't go on with this right now.....?? I am just beside myself that I am losing both of my boys in little over a year from the time I adopted them.....??? I honestly want to help FeLV cats but I don't know if I can stand the sadness of going through this again unless I start living with other people who have an investment in ill cats so I can " share the grief " and care.....?? I live alone and life is not happy for a variety of reasons...? my cats were the bright spot in my day ....? but also a impediment to my being able to get away to do what I needed to do for ME to stay involved socially..??? Another issue for another time...? need to ask the group in a separate note about force feeding... Bob On Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 11:48 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Vi and Mo... (Sheri Burbridge) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2017 15:47:42 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vi and Mo... > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bob, I met our cats through the shelter we volunteer at as well. We > wanted > to adopt sooner but my dog blew out his CCL and needed surgery and to > recover first. Then we went to get Mo and they were under quarantine > for > ringworm. By the time Mo made it back to the adoption room he was > stressed > and sick and I feel terrible. Violet at least had a home once (her > owner > passed away which bounced her back to the shelter) Mo has had nothing > but > the shelter and illness. Giving a home to the "unadoptable" is a > beautiful > and rewarding thing, I wish people would give these animals a chance > too! I > hope your colony can recover from their illness, the cats on our FELV > room > are all sweet as can be too. It always amazes me, the capacity animals > have > to forgive us for their suffering. > > How is Jelly? Have the meds helped at all? It's so hard to know what > the > right thing is sometimes. > > Sheri > > On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, 5:09 PM ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > Sheri... > I know , all too well, what you are going through and hope to the > power > of 10 that the meds help for mo as much as they have for others on the > list.... The more people out there recognize that FeLV is not always > a > death sentence ( if one has a forward thinking vet) the more people > might be willing to adopt these lovely cats ( At the shelter where I > volunteer EACH of our FeLV cats is nice than the next) I am worried > about the Colony now because one of the Colony just died from Effusive > FIP and since all were raised together there is a high likelihood that > the others are still carrying the Corona Virus.... fingers crossed as > to > whether is will develop into FIP in them.... So glad you have a vet > that will work with you and my hopes are SO with little mo who really > hasn't been given a fair shake until you guys came along..... Thanks > for giving this deserving little guy a home.... EVEN if it's just for > a > brief while..... > > Bob > > From j13w0lson at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 17:29:41 2017 From: j13w0lson at gmail.com (Jennifer Olson) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 17:29:41 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Cherished memories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I had to give my cat subcutaneous fluids because of her condition- Zuzu began to act like she wasn't sure if I was about to inject her- or just wanted to hold her each time I picked her up. THAT was killing ME! That is when I realized I was being selfish. All I was going to have until her & I are reunited in Heaven are my memories. I did NOT want them to become ugly last days with my beloved baby girl. Jelly will be waiting for you in Heaven, no matter what you choose... with love & hope it is you making the choices we all will face eventually with our fur-babies. You are NOT alone, Jen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bchapel at optonline.net Thu Apr 6 18:13:59 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 19:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Syringe Feeding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3471a534.28c58.15b458bc433.Webtop.51@optonline.net> For folks who have Syringe Fed cats...? How much do you " force" at each feeding when a cat shows little interest in even swallowing that which you manage to get into his mouth...?? Jelly fights it tooth and nail...?? I am WAY behind in his caloric needs because he fights so vehemently now about taking meds or being fed that I feel that it is hurting more than helping....?? I was using AD with High Density calorie paste but he doesn't like it at ALL so I am now using bits of baby food and alternating with KMR Kitten Milk and literally forcing him to swallow a couple of oz's...which is also far too little......? He still drinks water on his own and is urinating a large amount... for all I know at this point his Kidneys could be shutting down He is? lethargic enough at this point that I am 75% sure that I will put him down before the weekend is out...? If he were just battling anemia I'd have more hope for the Win/Pred/Doxy combo but with the tumor I'm feeling I might not be doing him any favors.... Admittedly... it was only a couple of months back that I watched my other little boy fade away at home over the course of a couple of months but HE was eating at least.... Mostly... I don't think " I " can take much more of watching my lovely boy die... Every day I'm here living my life around trying to get him to eat.. watching that he doesn't eat cement or other detritus ( Pica r/t anemia) putting food in a thousand places so that if he IS inclined at one moment TO eat there will be something near at hand TO eat and getting more and more depressed with each passing day at the lack of response.....? This damnable disease!!!?? 6 short weeks ago he passed his wellness exam with flying colors....? They can be claimed in a heartbeat.?????? I don't know that I will take in another FeLV cat unless I can find a damn vet that will work WITH ME and give a dying cat a fighting chance.......? I can't take this amount of sadness again for at least several months... > Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2017 02:19:39 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: > [Felvtalk] New FELV mom > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I've struggled with Mo since he came home, literally, the only thing > he > will eat on his own is the Temptations treats. I count them so I know > he's > gotten more than his basic needs every day but he's never bowled us > over > with his appetite, even on mirzapine (definitely misspelled that). He > will > lick the gel off his feet still, I feel lucky to have found anything > he > likes but a bit stuck as he won't try anything else! > > On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, 5:30 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > >> Good luck Sheri. I understand all too well the reluctance to add >> stress by >> syringe feeding, but I think that the ?gas in the engine? is also >> dependent >> on getting in those calories. I rely on baby food. I find that it is >> usually palatable enough that you can usually syringe a wee bit of it >> on >> their lips or just inside their lips ? if they sit or lie down beside >> you >> or in your lap (my preferred position), and they will lick at what is >> in or >> on their mouth. I think this helps to stimulate their appetite. The >> Winstrol will often also help improve appetite, strength and a sense >> of >> feeling better so that they want to eat a bit more. >> >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> > From bchapel at optonline.net Thu Apr 6 18:13:59 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 19:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Syringe Feeding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3471a534.28c58.15b458bc433.Webtop.51@optonline.net> For folks who have Syringe Fed cats...? How much do you " force" at each feeding when a cat shows little interest in even swallowing that which you manage to get into his mouth...?? Jelly fights it tooth and nail...?? I am WAY behind in his caloric needs because he fights so vehemently now about taking meds or being fed that I feel that it is hurting more than helping....?? I was using AD with High Density calorie paste but he doesn't like it at ALL so I am now using bits of baby food and alternating with KMR Kitten Milk and literally forcing him to swallow a couple of oz's...which is also far too little......? He still drinks water on his own and is urinating a large amount... for all I know at this point his Kidneys could be shutting down He is? lethargic enough at this point that I am 75% sure that I will put him down before the weekend is out...? If he were just battling anemia I'd have more hope for the Win/Pred/Doxy combo but with the tumor I'm feeling I might not be doing him any favors.... Admittedly... it was only a couple of months back that I watched my other little boy fade away at home over the course of a couple of months but HE was eating at least.... Mostly... I don't think " I " can take much more of watching my lovely boy die... Every day I'm here living my life around trying to get him to eat.. watching that he doesn't eat cement or other detritus ( Pica r/t anemia) putting food in a thousand places so that if he IS inclined at one moment TO eat there will be something near at hand TO eat and getting more and more depressed with each passing day at the lack of response.....? This damnable disease!!!?? 6 short weeks ago he passed his wellness exam with flying colors....? They can be claimed in a heartbeat.?????? I don't know that I will take in another FeLV cat unless I can find a damn vet that will work WITH ME and give a dying cat a fighting chance.......? I can't take this amount of sadness again for at least several months... > Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2017 02:19:39 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: > [Felvtalk] New FELV mom > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I've struggled with Mo since he came home, literally, the only thing > he > will eat on his own is the Temptations treats. I count them so I know > he's > gotten more than his basic needs every day but he's never bowled us > over > with his appetite, even on mirzapine (definitely misspelled that). He > will > lick the gel off his feet still, I feel lucky to have found anything > he > likes but a bit stuck as he won't try anything else! > > On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, 5:30 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > >> Good luck Sheri. I understand all too well the reluctance to add >> stress by >> syringe feeding, but I think that the ?gas in the engine? is also >> dependent >> on getting in those calories. I rely on baby food. I find that it is >> usually palatable enough that you can usually syringe a wee bit of it >> on >> their lips or just inside their lips ? if they sit or lie down beside >> you >> or in your lap (my preferred position), and they will lick at what is >> in or >> on their mouth. I think this helps to stimulate their appetite. The >> Winstrol will often also help improve appetite, strength and a sense >> of >> feeling better so that they want to eat a bit more. >> >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> > From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Thu Apr 6 18:29:17 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 23:29:17 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Syringe Feeding In-Reply-To: <3471a534.28c58.15b458bc433.Webtop.51@optonline.net> References: <3471a534.28c58.15b458bc433.Webtop.51@optonline.net> Message-ID: Bob - it is so painful to hear what you are going through. I am so sorry. But Jelly does know you love him. Trust in that. With respect to the syringe feedings, I usually use a 3 cc syringe. I start by just trying to get a full syringe down in one sitting - little by little. My feeling is that, though I want to do it little by little, I still want to try to get at least 1/2 to 1 cc into the back of the mouth each time. That reduces the number of times of having to pry open the mouth and get the food in. If you are using baby food, I don?t water it down much or at all because the consistency will allow you to put it safely at the back of the throat without being concerned that it will trickle down the throat and cause choking or liquid in the lungs, etc. I will quickly squirt 1/2 to 1 cc at the back of the throat, hold the mouth closed for a few seconds and usually this results in swallowing. I can usually get in a full syringe this way in a very short period of time, thus minimizing the stress on the cat. If the food goes down fairly well, I will gauge if I should try a second or a third syringe. I try to do this 2 to 3 times a day, depending again on how much I am able to get in at a go. My philosophy is that I would rather bother them for a longer period of time each feeding, and try to go for 2 or 3 syringes, because this results in less numbers of times to harass them over the course of the day. With respect to the Winstrol and Prednisolone, these will not just help regarding the anemia but may assist in drawing away fluid from the lungs. Prednisone helps deal with inflammation. I know you are doing your best for Jelly and we all know what you are going through. Amani -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: April-06-17 7:14 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Syringe Feeding For folks who have Syringe Fed cats... How much do you " force" at each feeding when a cat shows little interest in even swallowing that which you manage to get into his mouth...?? Jelly fights it tooth and nail...?? I am WAY behind in his caloric needs because he fights so vehemently now about taking meds or being fed that I feel that it is hurting more than helping....?? I was using AD with High Density calorie paste but he doesn't like it at ALL so I am now using bits of baby food and alternating with KMR Kitten Milk and literally forcing him to swallow a couple of oz's...which is also far too little......? He still drinks water on his own and is urinating a large amount... for all I know at this point his Kidneys could be shutting down He is? lethargic enough at this point that I am 75% sure that I will put him down before the weekend is out...? If he were just battling anemia I'd have more hope for the Win/Pred/Doxy combo but with the tumor I'm feeling I might not be doing him any favors.... Admittedly... it was only a couple of months back that I watched my other little boy fade away at home over the course of a couple of months but HE was eating at least.... Mostly... I don't think " I " can take much more of watching my lovely boy die... Every day I'm here living my life around trying to get him to eat.. watching that he doesn't eat cement or other detritus ( Pica r/t anemia) putting food in a thousand places so that if he IS inclined at one moment TO eat there will be something near at hand TO eat and getting more and more depressed with each passing day at the lack of response.....? This damnable disease!!!?? 6 short weeks ago he passed his wellness exam with flying colors....? They can be claimed in a heartbeat.?????? I don't know that I will take in another FeLV cat unless I can find a damn vet that will work WITH ME and give a dying cat a fighting chance.......? I can't take this amount of sadness again for at least several months... > Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2017 02:19:39 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: > [Felvtalk] New FELV mom > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I've struggled with Mo since he came home, literally, the only thing > he will eat on his own is the Temptations treats. I count them so I > know he's gotten more than his basic needs every day but he's never > bowled us over with his appetite, even on mirzapine (definitely > misspelled that). He will lick the gel off his feet still, I feel > lucky to have found anything he likes but a bit stuck as he won't try > anything else! > > On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, 5:30 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > >> Good luck Sheri. I understand all too well the reluctance to add >> stress by syringe feeding, but I think that the ?gas in the engine? >> is also dependent on getting in those calories. I rely on baby food. >> I find that it is usually palatable enough that you can usually >> syringe a wee bit of it on their lips or just inside their lips ? if >> they sit or lie down beside you or in your lap (my preferred >> position), and they will lick at what is in or on their mouth. I >> think this helps to stimulate their appetite. The Winstrol will often >> also help improve appetite, strength and a sense of feeling better so >> that they want to eat a bit more. >> >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From j13w0lson at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 19:00:26 2017 From: j13w0lson at gmail.com (Jennifer Olson) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 19:00:26 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] So much to lose In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob, Understanding that there won't be a cheap way to check so soon on Jelly's anemia, I want you to consider indulging on a food Jelly used to LOVE, offer it over the weekend, try to put force feeding aside, and just love on him ????? Jen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheri7177 at gmail.com Fri Apr 7 03:55:24 2017 From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2017 08:55:24 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding In-Reply-To: <92a8bee.289cd.15b44fb79fc.Webtop.51@optonline.net> References: <92a8bee.289cd.15b44fb79fc.Webtop.51@optonline.net> Message-ID: Bob, my heart goes out to you and little Jelly. I'm so sorry you are both suffering so much. Whatever the outcome, Jelly has been blessed to have you in his life and it sounds like you will have many good memories of your time together (even if it's bittersweet at first). I hope you are able to spend some time with Jelly and find some peace with the situation. It's so unfair that they can go downhill so fast. You are both in my thoughts. Sheri On Thu, Apr 6, 2017, 4:36 PM ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > Hi Sheri... > > You are SO right about not knowing when one is doing right by them... > Jelly is still alive despite refusing to eat anything voluntarily. He > still drinks enough water and Urinates more than usual... Perhaps I'm > being selfish keeping him alive but I hope from day to day that every > day I have him on Winstrol Doxy and Pred is one day more that _ > something_ positive might happen ( though I am worried about the effects > of food deprivation along with the Liver enzyme problems associated with > Winstrol... But... it's a race against time anyway and as long as I am > not hurting him more ( I'd be putting him down otherwise).... > Still... I just DON'T know if I'm being fair to him... He doesn't appear > to be in abject discomfort but is certainly not " enjoying" life in any > way... ( though he sometimes appears to enjoy being groomed)... Mostly > it is simply breaking my heart several times a day and reducing me to > inconsolable tears as I watch this formerly lively loving sociable > beautiful 1.5 yr old cat unable to run jump play or eat and I wonder 50 > times a day if I should simply put him down for my own sake as WELL as > his.... The grief of having him gone will be more intense but the grief > of seeing him in decline daily ( particularly days like today when I > have to be home to do a lot of paperwork related matters and he's in > view every minute) might well be the larger pain...... I'd prefer for > him to die at home but I don't want to make him suffer just SO he can > die at home.... I'm sure all of us have had this " conversation " with > out infirm animals... Laying next to them and asking them " Should I > help you along NOW buddy" ?? Wishing with ALL my heart that he could > give me the answer. If he were in obvious discomfort I wouldn't > hesitate a moment but cats hide their discomfort... He was hiding out > earlier in the process but right now he is laying on the computer simply > sleeping.... He will likely get up later and go to his litter box and > then go elsewhere and lay down and sleep... He'll drink some water... > sniff at whatever food I have out for him, not eat it... and go to sleep > again.... The only sign of distress I see/hear is his breathing rate is > elevated and he has fluid in his trachea and down possibly into the > lungs ( though not noticed on original Xray)... > My heart goes out to you and little mo... perhaps a bit moreso now > because I had a little guy who started at a disadvantage and never > recovered.... He and Jelly were fast friends for the first couple of > months I had him but he rapidly developed complications ( mostly with > his eyes ) and soon after was in much pain and unable to play any > longer... I can't go on with this right now..... I am just beside > myself that I am losing both of my boys in little over a year from the > time I adopted them..... I honestly want to help FeLV cats but I > don't know if I can stand the sadness of going through this again unless > I start living with other people who have an investment in ill cats so I > can " share the grief " and care..... I live alone and life is not > happy for a variety of reasons... my cats were the bright spot in my > day .... but also a impediment to my being able to get away to do what > I needed to do for ME to stay involved socially.. Another issue for > another time... need to ask the group in a separate note about force > feeding... > > Bob > > > On Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 11:48 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > wrote: > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Vi and Mo... (Sheri Burbridge) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2017 15:47:42 +0000 > > From: Sheri Burbridge To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vi and Mo... > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Bob, I met our cats through the shelter we volunteer at as well. We > > wanted > > to adopt sooner but my dog blew out his CCL and needed surgery and to > > recover first. Then we went to get Mo and they were under quarantine > > for > > ringworm. By the time Mo made it back to the adoption room he was > > stressed > > and sick and I feel terrible. Violet at least had a home once (her > > owner > > passed away which bounced her back to the shelter) Mo has had nothing > > but > > the shelter and illness. Giving a home to the "unadoptable" is a > > beautiful > > and rewarding thing, I wish people would give these animals a chance > > too! I > > hope your colony can recover from their illness, the cats on our FELV > > room > > are all sweet as can be too. It always amazes me, the capacity animals > > have > > to forgive us for their suffering. > > > > How is Jelly? Have the meds helped at all? It's so hard to know what > > the > > right thing is sometimes. > > > > Sheri > > > > On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, 5:09 PM ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > > > Sheri... > > I know , all too well, what you are going through and hope to the > > power > > of 10 that the meds help for mo as much as they have for others on the > > list.... The more people out there recognize that FeLV is not always > > a > > death sentence ( if one has a forward thinking vet) the more people > > might be willing to adopt these lovely cats ( At the shelter where I > > volunteer EACH of our FeLV cats is nice than the next) I am worried > > about the Colony now because one of the Colony just died from Effusive > > FIP and since all were raised together there is a high likelihood that > > the others are still carrying the Corona Virus.... fingers crossed as > > to > > whether is will develop into FIP in them.... So glad you have a vet > > that will work with you and my hopes are SO with little mo who really > > hasn't been given a fair shake until you guys came along..... Thanks > > for giving this deserving little guy a home.... EVEN if it's just for > > a > > brief while..... > > > > Bob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kathstix at gmail.com Fri Apr 7 08:32:16 2017 From: kathstix at gmail.com (Katherine K.) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 09:32:16 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] Syringe Feeding In-Reply-To: References: <3471a534.28c58.15b458bc433.Webtop.51@optonline.net> Message-ID: I'm sorry to hear about your struggles with Jelly. I've had to syringe feed my cat on and off at various times over the last decade. He's a willing patient so I can't imagine how hard it would be with a cat who fights it. One year ago today we said goodbye to Jazz. He was so strong and healthy, until one day he wasn't. It's such a tough disease but we're here for you. On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > Bob - it is so painful to hear what you are going through. I am so sorry. > But Jelly does know you love him. Trust in that. > > With respect to the syringe feedings, I usually use a 3 cc syringe. I > start by just trying to get a full syringe down in one sitting - little by > little. My feeling is that, though I want to do it little by little, I > still want to try to get at least 1/2 to 1 cc into the back of the mouth > each time. That reduces the number of times of having to pry open the mouth > and get the food in. If you are using baby food, I don?t water it down much > or at all because the consistency will allow you to put it safely at the > back of the throat without being concerned that it will trickle down the > throat and cause choking or liquid in the lungs, etc. I will quickly squirt > 1/2 to 1 cc at the back of the throat, hold the mouth closed for a few > seconds and usually this results in swallowing. I can usually get in a full > syringe this way in a very short period of time, thus minimizing the stress > on the cat. If the food goes down fairly well, I will gauge if I should try > a second or a third syringe. I try to do this 2 to 3 times a day, depending > again on how much I am able to get in at a go. My philosophy is that I > would rather bother them for a longer period of time each feeding, and try > to go for 2 or 3 syringes, because this results in less numbers of times to > harass them over the course of the day. > > With respect to the Winstrol and Prednisolone, these will not just help > regarding the anemia but may assist in drawing away fluid from the lungs. > Prednisone helps deal with inflammation. > > I know you are doing your best for Jelly and we all know what you are > going through. > > Amani > > -----Original Message----- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > ROBERT CHAPEL > Sent: April-06-17 7:14 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Cc: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Syringe Feeding > > For folks who have Syringe Fed cats... > How much do you " force" at each feeding when a cat shows little interest > in even swallowing that which you manage to get into his mouth... Jelly > fights it tooth and nail... I am WAY behind in his caloric needs because > he fights so vehemently now about taking meds or being fed that I feel that > it is hurting more than helping.... I was using AD with High Density > calorie paste but he doesn't like it at ALL so I am now using bits of baby > food and alternating with KMR Kitten Milk and literally forcing him to > swallow a couple of oz's...which is also far too little...... He still > drinks water on his own and is urinating a large amount... for all I know > at this point his Kidneys could be shutting down > > He is lethargic enough at this point that I am 75% sure that I will put > him down before the weekend is out... If he were just battling anemia I'd > have more hope for the Win/Pred/Doxy combo but with the tumor I'm feeling I > might not be doing him any favors.... Admittedly... it was only a couple of > months back that I watched my other little boy fade away at home over the > course of a couple of months but HE was eating at least.... Mostly... I > don't think " I " can take much more of watching my lovely boy die... Every > day I'm here living my life around trying to get him to eat.. watching that > he doesn't eat cement or other detritus ( Pica r/t anemia) putting food in > a thousand places so that if he IS inclined at one moment TO eat there will > be something near at hand TO eat and getting more and more depressed with > each passing day at the lack of response..... This damnable disease!!! 6 > short weeks ago he passed his wellness exam with flying colors.... They > can be claimed in a heartbeat. I don't know that I will take in > another FeLV cat unless I can find a damn vet that will work WITH ME and > give a dying cat a fighting chance....... I can't take this amount of > sadness again for at least several months... > > > > Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2017 02:19:39 +0000 > > From: Sheri Burbridge To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: > > [Felvtalk] New FELV mom > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > I've struggled with Mo since he came home, literally, the only thing > > he will eat on his own is the Temptations treats. I count them so I > > know he's gotten more than his basic needs every day but he's never > > bowled us over with his appetite, even on mirzapine (definitely > > misspelled that). He will lick the gel off his feet still, I feel > > lucky to have found anything he likes but a bit stuck as he won't try > > anything else! > > > > On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, 5:30 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > > > >> Good luck Sheri. I understand all too well the reluctance to add > >> stress by syringe feeding, but I think that the ?gas in the engine? > >> is also dependent on getting in those calories. I rely on baby food. > >> I find that it is usually palatable enough that you can usually > >> syringe a wee bit of it on their lips or just inside their lips ? if > >> they sit or lie down beside you or in your lap (my preferred > >> position), and they will lick at what is in or on their mouth. I > >> think this helps to stimulate their appetite. The Winstrol will often > >> also help improve appetite, strength and a sense of feeling better so > >> that they want to eat a bit more. > >> > >> > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bchapel at optonline.net Fri Apr 7 16:04:55 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1bda0c87.71d7b.15b4a3bf5e6.Webtop.58@optonline.net> Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to me that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : )?????? it is that much more painful.... I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ? His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life left... As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his throat.... ? Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ? I leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures that so many others overlook... Bob? On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Syringe Feeding (ROBERT CHAPEL) > 2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley) > 3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson) > 4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding > (Sheri Burbridge) > > >>> From bchapel at optonline.net Fri Apr 7 16:04:55 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1bda0c87.71d7b.15b4a3bf5e6.Webtop.58@optonline.net> Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to me that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : )?????? it is that much more painful.... I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ? His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life left... As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his throat.... ? Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ? I leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures that so many others overlook... Bob? On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Syringe Feeding (ROBERT CHAPEL) > 2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley) > 3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson) > 4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding > (Sheri Burbridge) > > >>> From j13w0lson at gmail.com Fri Apr 7 17:14:52 2017 From: j13w0lson at gmail.com (Jennifer Olson) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:14:52 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] PRAISE JESUS ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: SO happy to hear you've had some ups again- praying he's stable long enough for the meds to work their miracles for Jelly! Jen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheri7177 at gmail.com Fri Apr 7 18:07:47 2017 From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2017 23:07:47 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. In-Reply-To: <1bda0c87.71d7b.15b4a3bf5e6.Webtop.58@optonline.net> References: <1bda0c87.71d7b.15b4a3bf5e6.Webtop.58@optonline.net> Message-ID: Bob, I am right there with you trying not to get my hopes up when things go well for awhile but I'm SO happy that you had those good moments with Jelly today! I love how much you love your animals, I'm the same, mine are all my kids, I have a real soft spot for special needs animals. I thought I'd ask since I'm dealing with this with Mo, have you checked Jelly's mouth for sores? Mo has a bunch on his palate that the vet compared to canker sores and said it makes swallowing painful. I've been giving Mo tiny syringes of Buprenorphine 2-3 times a day to help him eat. I just thought I'd throw it out there in case Jelly could be helped with something like that too? I hope you both are having a good evening and I'm willing the meds to work for Jelly from here! Sheri On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 5:05 PM ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > Thank you all for your support and suggestions... It is a comfort to me > that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we can > develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to me > are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : ) > it is that much more painful.... > I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming and > pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting me > to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate a little bit > of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few hours and I was > hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the rest > of the baby food I left on the plate.... I don't know which bothers me > more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just never > getting my hopes up?... When I returned home he was quite lethargic and > had not touched any of the food... His gurgling ( which had abated > considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this > Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a > challenge again..... Still... he DID improve for a few hours which " > may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all... Every day I decide > to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times... But.. I'm a > little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty > discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life left... > As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments).... I'm actually > rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always was > turkey baby food.... Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite the > side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his throat.... > Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... I leave plates of > anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout the > day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is > inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is not > wanting for affection.... any time that he is willing to stay near me > he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was... I am literally > unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on some > part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets but really quite the same with > any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a youngster..... > I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I > don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at > least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog)..... So.... thank you all > for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide the > little creatures that so many others overlook... > > Bob > > > On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > wrote: > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Syringe Feeding (ROBERT CHAPEL) > > 2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley) > > 3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson) > > 4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding > > (Sheri Burbridge) > > > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlgegg at windstream.net Fri Apr 7 20:23:45 2017 From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 20:23:45 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. In-Reply-To: <1bda0c87.71d7b.15b4a3bf5e6.Webtop.58@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20170407212345.D1HMX.30447.root@pamxwww09-z01> Been there and done that. You don't know which way to go, afraid if you do euthanize him orher it will be a wrong decision and yet you do not want them to suffer I would rather suffer great pain my self. Right now, Annie is recovering from an upper respiratory infection and since she is positive, it has me worried. I asked my vet about Winstrol and Doxy and she is willing to try it. Thank you Lord. She is eating, drinking and although she has lost a little weight, seems to be doing well. Main thing now is she goes about the house meaowing all the time. driving me nuts. She wants me to eight sit with her or go to b ed so she can lay on my chest. I don't know she will do when I go in hospital for a valve repalacement, will be gone for a week. When I went in 4 days for broken arm, they all sat on me, grabbed hold with ther claws as though trying to force me to stay home. They are just recovering from that. Annie is quiet now, sitting on desk in front of me. Hope your baby gets well, will keep you both in my prayers. ---- ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to me that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : )?????? it is that much more painful.... I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ? His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life left... As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his throat.... ? Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ? I leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures that so many others overlook... Bob? On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Syringe Feeding (ROBERT CHAPEL) > 2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley) > 3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson) > 4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding > (Sheri Burbridge) > > >>> _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Sat Apr 8 15:43:59 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 20:43:59 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. In-Reply-To: <1bda0c87.71d7b.15b4a3bf5e6.Webtop.58@optonline.net> References: <1bda0c87.71d7b.15b4a3bf5e6.Webtop.58@optonline.net> Message-ID: Bob, I am thrilled you have seen a bit of improvement, though I get your cautiousness as well. It could be something, it could be nothing, but any improvement lifts the spirits a bit. Also, based on the lab results I saw, it will take a long while to correct the abnormalities there, so anticipate a long slow battle. Hopefully, you continue to see bright-spots, and that those bright-spots increase in frequency and duration. Keep up the patient, kind work for little Jelly. Amani -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: April-07-17 5:05 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to me that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : ) it is that much more painful.... I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ? His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life left... As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his throat.... Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ? I leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures that so many others overlook... Bob? On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Syringe Feeding (ROBERT CHAPEL) > 2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley) > 3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson) > 4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding > (Sheri Burbridge) > > >>> _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From bchapel at optonline.net Sat Apr 8 22:53:36 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 23:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Jelly... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3f964b7d.7253f.15b50d87da5.Webtop.41@optonline.net> Sheri... You make a good point...? I'd need someones help to visualize the inside of his mouth( any time I open his mouth or mess with his gums he interprets it as nasty medicine coming his way or being " forced" to take in nutrition...? I know the vet I took him to did not check his mouth....? I can't speak about the vet that the shelter took him to for the original incorrect Dx( He certainly SHOULD have checked his mouth as the presenting complaint was that he was not eating... but can't say for sure.?? I'm inclined to think that this is not the limiting factor? as he doesn't really even show an interest in food and the food that is made available to him right now is VERY easy on his mouth ( ie.. does not require any substantive chewing) That said...? I will keep this in the forfront of my brain as something to pay more attention to.....??? I'm in a race against time with this little guy as he is losing weight rather quickly( which can be the virus alone... but his failure to take in adequate calories is exacerbating the situation......?? Today his high spots were even higher but his low times were even lower ( if that makes any sense)... eg... He ate a little and was more sociable for a brief while but when he was over that he really wanted to be left alone....? I don't force him to do anything he doesn't want to do save for brooking NO opposition when it comes to taking his Winstrol Doxy and Pred and at least 30 CC of Baby Food and additional fluids if he is not drinking much ( like today)...? I'm going to try to get him some SubQ fluids over at the shelter tomorrow... He's slowing down on his drinking. I tell Jelly how everyone is rooting for him? : )???? Strangely he does not appear moved by this news? : ) Bob On Sat, Apr 08, 2017 at 04:44 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. PRAISE JESUS ! (Jennifer Olson) > 2. Re: Jelly.. (Sheri Burbridge) > 3. Re: Jelly.. (dlgegg at windstream.net) > 4. Re: Jelly.. (Amani Oakley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:14:52 -0500 > From: Jennifer Olson To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] PRAISE JESUS ! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > SO happy to hear you've had some ups again- praying he's stable long > enough > for the meds to work their miracles for Jelly! > Jen > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2017 23:07:47 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bob, I am right there with you trying not to get my hopes up when > things go > well for awhile but I'm SO happy that you had those good moments with > Jelly > today! I love how much you love your animals, I'm the same, mine are > all my > kids, I have a real soft spot for special needs animals. > > I thought I'd ask since I'm dealing with this with Mo, have you > checked > Jelly's mouth for sores? Mo has a bunch on his palate that the vet > compared > to canker sores and said it makes swallowing painful. I've been giving > Mo > tiny syringes of Buprenorphine 2-3 times a day to help him eat. I just > thought I'd throw it out there in case Jelly could be helped with > something > like that too? > > I hope you both are having a good evening and I'm willing the meds to > work > for Jelly from here! > > Sheri > > On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 5:05 PM ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > >> Thank you all for your support and suggestions... It is a comfort to >> me >> that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we >> can >> develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to >> me >> are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : ) >> it is that much more painful.... >> I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming >> and >> pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting >> me >> to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate a little >> bit >> of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few hours and I was >> hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the >> rest >> of the baby food I left on the plate.... I don't know which bothers >> me >> more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just >> never >> getting my hopes up?... When I returned home he was quite lethargic >> and >> had not touched any of the food... His gurgling ( which had abated >> considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this >> Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a >> challenge again..... Still... he DID improve for a few hours which " >> may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all... Every day I decide >> to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times... But.. >> I'm a >> little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty >> discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life >> left... >> As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments).... I'm >> actually >> rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always >> was >> turkey baby food.... Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite >> the >> side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his >> throat.... >> Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... I leave plates >> of >> anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout >> the >> day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is >> inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is >> not >> wanting for affection.... any time that he is willing to stay near >> me >> he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was... I am literally >> unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on >> some >> part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets but really quite the same >> with >> any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a >> youngster..... >> I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I >> don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at >> least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog)..... So.... thank you >> all >> for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide >> the >> little creatures that so many others overlook... >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org >> wrote: >> >>> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >>> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> >>> >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Syringe Feeding (ROBERT CHAPEL) >>> 2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley) >>> 3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson) >>> 4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding >>> (Sheri Burbridge) >>> >>> >>>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 20:23:45 -0500 > From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. > Message-ID: <20170407212345.D1HMX.30447.root at pamxwww09-z01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Been there and done that. You don't know which way to go, afraid if > you do euthanize him orher it will be a wrong decision and yet you do > not want them to suffer I would rather suffer great pain my self. > Right now, Annie is recovering from an upper respiratory infection and > since she is positive, it has me worried. I asked my vet about > Winstrol and Doxy and she is willing to try it. Thank you Lord. She > is eating, drinking and although she has lost a little weight, seems > to be doing well. Main thing now is she goes about the house meaowing > all the time. driving me nuts. She wants me to eight sit with her or > go to b ed so she can lay on my chest. I don't know she will do when > I go in hospital for a valve repalacement, will be gone for a week. > When I went in 4 days for broken arm, they all sat on me, grabbed hold > with ther claws as though trying to force me to stay home. They are > just recovering from that. Annie is quiet now, sitting on desk in > front of me. Hope your baby gets well, will keep you both in my > prayers. > > ---- ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: >> Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to >> me > that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we > can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL > to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : > )?????? it is that much more painful.... > I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming > and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side > inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate > a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few > hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have > finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't > know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed > hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned > home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ? > His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe > the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a > little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID > improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at > all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down > about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my > ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that > still HAS some life left... > As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm > actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which > always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch > opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down > his throat.... ? Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ? > I leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous > places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a " > bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this > little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is > willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it > was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal > without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets > but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that > way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY > conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their > boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would > be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and > particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures > that so many others overlook... > > Bob? > > > On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > wrote: > >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Syringe Feeding (ROBERT CHAPEL) >> 2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley) >> 3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson) >> 4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding >> (Sheri Burbridge) >> >> >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 20:43:59 +0000 > From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: > [Felvtalk] Jelly.. > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bob, I am thrilled you have seen a bit of improvement, though I get > your cautiousness as well. It could be something, it could be nothing, > but any improvement lifts the spirits a bit. Also, based on the lab > results I saw, it will take a long while to correct the abnormalities > there, so anticipate a long slow battle. Hopefully, you continue to > see bright-spots, and that those bright-spots increase in frequency > and duration. > > Keep up the patient, kind work for little Jelly. > > Amani > > -----Original Message----- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of ROBERT CHAPEL > Sent: April-07-17 5:05 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Cc: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. > > Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to > me that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we > can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL > to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : > ) it is that much more painful.... > I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming > and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side > inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate > a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few > hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have > finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't > know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed > hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned > home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ? > His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe > the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a > little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID > improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at > all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down > about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my > ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that > still HAS some life left... > As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm > actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which > always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch > opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down > his throat.... Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ? I > leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous > places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a " > bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this > little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is > willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it > was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal > without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets > but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that > way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY > conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their > boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would > be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and > particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures > that so many others overlook... > > Bob? > > > On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > wrote: > >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Syringe Feeding (ROBERT CHAPEL) >> 2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley) >> 3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson) >> 4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding >> (Sheri Burbridge) >> >> >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 14 > **************************************** > From bchapel at optonline.net Sat Apr 8 22:53:36 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 23:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Jelly... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3f964b7d.7253f.15b50d87da5.Webtop.41@optonline.net> Sheri... You make a good point...? I'd need someones help to visualize the inside of his mouth( any time I open his mouth or mess with his gums he interprets it as nasty medicine coming his way or being " forced" to take in nutrition...? I know the vet I took him to did not check his mouth....? I can't speak about the vet that the shelter took him to for the original incorrect Dx( He certainly SHOULD have checked his mouth as the presenting complaint was that he was not eating... but can't say for sure.?? I'm inclined to think that this is not the limiting factor? as he doesn't really even show an interest in food and the food that is made available to him right now is VERY easy on his mouth ( ie.. does not require any substantive chewing) That said...? I will keep this in the forfront of my brain as something to pay more attention to.....??? I'm in a race against time with this little guy as he is losing weight rather quickly( which can be the virus alone... but his failure to take in adequate calories is exacerbating the situation......?? Today his high spots were even higher but his low times were even lower ( if that makes any sense)... eg... He ate a little and was more sociable for a brief while but when he was over that he really wanted to be left alone....? I don't force him to do anything he doesn't want to do save for brooking NO opposition when it comes to taking his Winstrol Doxy and Pred and at least 30 CC of Baby Food and additional fluids if he is not drinking much ( like today)...? I'm going to try to get him some SubQ fluids over at the shelter tomorrow... He's slowing down on his drinking. I tell Jelly how everyone is rooting for him? : )???? Strangely he does not appear moved by this news? : ) Bob On Sat, Apr 08, 2017 at 04:44 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. PRAISE JESUS ! (Jennifer Olson) > 2. Re: Jelly.. (Sheri Burbridge) > 3. Re: Jelly.. (dlgegg at windstream.net) > 4. Re: Jelly.. (Amani Oakley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:14:52 -0500 > From: Jennifer Olson To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] PRAISE JESUS ! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > SO happy to hear you've had some ups again- praying he's stable long > enough > for the meds to work their miracles for Jelly! > Jen > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2017 23:07:47 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bob, I am right there with you trying not to get my hopes up when > things go > well for awhile but I'm SO happy that you had those good moments with > Jelly > today! I love how much you love your animals, I'm the same, mine are > all my > kids, I have a real soft spot for special needs animals. > > I thought I'd ask since I'm dealing with this with Mo, have you > checked > Jelly's mouth for sores? Mo has a bunch on his palate that the vet > compared > to canker sores and said it makes swallowing painful. I've been giving > Mo > tiny syringes of Buprenorphine 2-3 times a day to help him eat. I just > thought I'd throw it out there in case Jelly could be helped with > something > like that too? > > I hope you both are having a good evening and I'm willing the meds to > work > for Jelly from here! > > Sheri > > On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 5:05 PM ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > >> Thank you all for your support and suggestions... It is a comfort to >> me >> that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we >> can >> develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to >> me >> are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : ) >> it is that much more painful.... >> I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming >> and >> pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting >> me >> to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate a little >> bit >> of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few hours and I was >> hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the >> rest >> of the baby food I left on the plate.... I don't know which bothers >> me >> more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just >> never >> getting my hopes up?... When I returned home he was quite lethargic >> and >> had not touched any of the food... His gurgling ( which had abated >> considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this >> Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a >> challenge again..... Still... he DID improve for a few hours which " >> may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all... Every day I decide >> to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times... But.. >> I'm a >> little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty >> discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life >> left... >> As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments).... I'm >> actually >> rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always >> was >> turkey baby food.... Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite >> the >> side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his >> throat.... >> Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... I leave plates >> of >> anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout >> the >> day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is >> inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is >> not >> wanting for affection.... any time that he is willing to stay near >> me >> he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was... I am literally >> unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on >> some >> part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets but really quite the same >> with >> any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a >> youngster..... >> I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I >> don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at >> least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog)..... So.... thank you >> all >> for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide >> the >> little creatures that so many others overlook... >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org >> wrote: >> >>> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >>> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> >>> >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Syringe Feeding (ROBERT CHAPEL) >>> 2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley) >>> 3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson) >>> 4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding >>> (Sheri Burbridge) >>> >>> >>>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 20:23:45 -0500 > From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. > Message-ID: <20170407212345.D1HMX.30447.root at pamxwww09-z01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Been there and done that. You don't know which way to go, afraid if > you do euthanize him orher it will be a wrong decision and yet you do > not want them to suffer I would rather suffer great pain my self. > Right now, Annie is recovering from an upper respiratory infection and > since she is positive, it has me worried. I asked my vet about > Winstrol and Doxy and she is willing to try it. Thank you Lord. She > is eating, drinking and although she has lost a little weight, seems > to be doing well. Main thing now is she goes about the house meaowing > all the time. driving me nuts. She wants me to eight sit with her or > go to b ed so she can lay on my chest. I don't know she will do when > I go in hospital for a valve repalacement, will be gone for a week. > When I went in 4 days for broken arm, they all sat on me, grabbed hold > with ther claws as though trying to force me to stay home. They are > just recovering from that. Annie is quiet now, sitting on desk in > front of me. Hope your baby gets well, will keep you both in my > prayers. > > ---- ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: >> Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to >> me > that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we > can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL > to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : > )?????? it is that much more painful.... > I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming > and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side > inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate > a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few > hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have > finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't > know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed > hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned > home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ? > His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe > the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a > little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID > improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at > all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down > about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my > ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that > still HAS some life left... > As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm > actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which > always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch > opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down > his throat.... ? Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ? > I leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous > places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a " > bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this > little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is > willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it > was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal > without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets > but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that > way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY > conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their > boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would > be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and > particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures > that so many others overlook... > > Bob? > > > On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > wrote: > >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Syringe Feeding (ROBERT CHAPEL) >> 2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley) >> 3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson) >> 4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding >> (Sheri Burbridge) >> >> >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 20:43:59 +0000 > From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: > [Felvtalk] Jelly.. > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bob, I am thrilled you have seen a bit of improvement, though I get > your cautiousness as well. It could be something, it could be nothing, > but any improvement lifts the spirits a bit. Also, based on the lab > results I saw, it will take a long while to correct the abnormalities > there, so anticipate a long slow battle. Hopefully, you continue to > see bright-spots, and that those bright-spots increase in frequency > and duration. > > Keep up the patient, kind work for little Jelly. > > Amani > > -----Original Message----- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of ROBERT CHAPEL > Sent: April-07-17 5:05 PM > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Cc: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. > > Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to > me that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we > can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL > to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : > ) it is that much more painful.... > I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming > and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side > inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate > a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few > hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have > finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't > know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed > hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned > home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ? > His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe > the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a > little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID > improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at > all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down > about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my > ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that > still HAS some life left... > As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm > actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which > always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch > opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down > his throat.... Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ? I > leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous > places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a " > bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this > little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is > willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it > was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal > without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets > but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that > way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY > conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their > boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would > be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and > particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures > that so many others overlook... > > Bob? > > > On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > wrote: > >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Syringe Feeding (ROBERT CHAPEL) >> 2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley) >> 3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson) >> 4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding >> (Sheri Burbridge) >> >> >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 14 > **************************************** > From sheri7177 at gmail.com Sun Apr 9 12:07:04 2017 From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2017 17:07:04 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Jelly... In-Reply-To: <3f964b7d.7253f.15b50d87da5.Webtop.41@optonline.net> References: <3f964b7d.7253f.15b50d87da5.Webtop.41@optonline.net> Message-ID: Bob, it's encouraging to hear that Jelly is having bright spots among the low points. I hope that he is progressing today and eating a bit more for you. The mouth sores are common for these guys I guess, it just compounds an already difficult time for them. The pain meds seem to help a bit but then they also make them tired so it's hard to tell real symptoms from side effects. Cats are a hard bunch to impress, keep passing on our love to him:) Sheri On Sat, Apr 8, 2017, 11:53 PM ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > Sheri... > You make a good point... I'd need someones help to visualize the inside > of his mouth( any time I open his mouth or mess with his gums he > interprets it as nasty medicine coming his way or being " forced" to > take in nutrition... I know the vet I took him to did not check his > mouth.... I can't speak about the vet that the shelter took him to for > the original incorrect Dx( He certainly SHOULD have checked his mouth as > the presenting complaint was that he was not eating... but can't say for > sure. I'm inclined to think that this is not the limiting factor as > he doesn't really even show an interest in food and the food that is > made available to him right now is VERY easy on his mouth ( ie.. does > not require any substantive chewing) That said... I will keep this in > the forfront of my brain as something to pay more attention to..... > I'm in a race against time with this little guy as he is losing weight > rather quickly( which can be the virus alone... but his failure to take > in adequate calories is exacerbating the situation...... Today his > high spots were even higher but his low times were even lower ( if that > makes any sense)... eg... He ate a little and was more sociable for a > brief while but when he was over that he really wanted to be left > alone.... I don't force him to do anything he doesn't want to do save > for brooking NO opposition when it comes to taking his Winstrol Doxy and > Pred and at least 30 CC of Baby Food and additional fluids if he is not > drinking much ( like today)... I'm going to try to get him some SubQ > fluids over at the shelter tomorrow... He's slowing down on his > drinking. > I tell Jelly how everyone is rooting for him : ) Strangely he does > not appear moved by this news : ) > > Bob > > > On Sat, Apr 08, 2017 at 04:44 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > wrote: > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. PRAISE JESUS ! (Jennifer Olson) > > 2. Re: Jelly.. (Sheri Burbridge) > > 3. Re: Jelly.. (dlgegg at windstream.net) > > 4. Re: Jelly.. (Amani Oakley) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:14:52 -0500 > > From: Jennifer Olson To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] PRAISE JESUS ! > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > SO happy to hear you've had some ups again- praying he's stable long > > enough > > for the meds to work their miracles for Jelly! > > Jen > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2017 23:07:47 +0000 > > From: Sheri Burbridge To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Bob, I am right there with you trying not to get my hopes up when > > things go > > well for awhile but I'm SO happy that you had those good moments with > > Jelly > > today! I love how much you love your animals, I'm the same, mine are > > all my > > kids, I have a real soft spot for special needs animals. > > > > I thought I'd ask since I'm dealing with this with Mo, have you > > checked > > Jelly's mouth for sores? Mo has a bunch on his palate that the vet > > compared > > to canker sores and said it makes swallowing painful. I've been giving > > Mo > > tiny syringes of Buprenorphine 2-3 times a day to help him eat. I just > > thought I'd throw it out there in case Jelly could be helped with > > something > > like that too? > > > > I hope you both are having a good evening and I'm willing the meds to > > work > > for Jelly from here! > > > > Sheri > > > > On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 5:05 PM ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > > >> Thank you all for your support and suggestions... It is a comfort to > >> me > >> that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we > >> can > >> develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to > >> me > >> are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : ) > >> it is that much more painful.... > >> I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming > >> and > >> pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting > >> me > >> to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate a little > >> bit > >> of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few hours and I was > >> hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the > >> rest > >> of the baby food I left on the plate.... I don't know which bothers > >> me > >> more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just > >> never > >> getting my hopes up?... When I returned home he was quite lethargic > >> and > >> had not touched any of the food... His gurgling ( which had abated > >> considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this > >> Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a > >> challenge again..... Still... he DID improve for a few hours which " > >> may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all... Every day I decide > >> to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times... But.. > >> I'm a > >> little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty > >> discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life > >> left... > >> As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments).... I'm > >> actually > >> rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always > >> was > >> turkey baby food.... Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite > >> the > >> side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his > >> throat.... > >> Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... I leave plates > >> of > >> anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout > >> the > >> day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is > >> inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is > >> not > >> wanting for affection.... any time that he is willing to stay near > >> me > >> he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was... I am literally > >> unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on > >> some > >> part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets but really quite the same > >> with > >> any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a > >> youngster..... > >> I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I > >> don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at > >> least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog)..... So.... thank you > >> all > >> for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide > >> the > >> little creatures that so many others overlook... > >> > >> Bob > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > >>> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > >>> > >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >>> > >>> > >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >>> > >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >>> felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > >>> > >>> You can reach the person managing the list at > >>> felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > >>> > >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >>> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > >>> > >>> > >>> Today's Topics: > >>> > >>> 1. Re: Syringe Feeding (ROBERT CHAPEL) > >>> 2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley) > >>> 3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson) > >>> 4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding > >>> (Sheri Burbridge) > >>> > >>> > >>>>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > >> > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 20:23:45 -0500 > > From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. > > Message-ID: <20170407212345.D1HMX.30447.root at pamxwww09-z01> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Been there and done that. You don't know which way to go, afraid if > > you do euthanize him orher it will be a wrong decision and yet you do > > not want them to suffer I would rather suffer great pain my self. > > Right now, Annie is recovering from an upper respiratory infection and > > since she is positive, it has me worried. I asked my vet about > > Winstrol and Doxy and she is willing to try it. Thank you Lord. She > > is eating, drinking and although she has lost a little weight, seems > > to be doing well. Main thing now is she goes about the house meaowing > > all the time. driving me nuts. She wants me to eight sit with her or > > go to b ed so she can lay on my chest. I don't know she will do when > > I go in hospital for a valve repalacement, will be gone for a week. > > When I went in 4 days for broken arm, they all sat on me, grabbed hold > > with ther claws as though trying to force me to stay home. They are > > just recovering from that. Annie is quiet now, sitting on desk in > > front of me. Hope your baby gets well, will keep you both in my > > prayers. > > > > ---- ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > >> Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to > >> me > > that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we > > can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL > > to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : > > )?????? it is that much more painful.... > > I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming > > and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side > > inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate > > a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few > > hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have > > finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't > > know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed > > hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned > > home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ? > > His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe > > the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a > > little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID > > improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at > > all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down > > about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my > > ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that > > still HAS some life left... > > As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm > > actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which > > always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch > > opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down > > his throat.... ? Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ? > > I leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous > > places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a " > > bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this > > little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is > > willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it > > was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal > > without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets > > but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that > > way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY > > conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their > > boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would > > be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and > > particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures > > that so many others overlook... > > > > Bob? > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > wrote: > > > >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > >> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: Syringe Feeding (ROBERT CHAPEL) > >> 2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley) > >> 3. So much to lose (Jennifer Olson) > >> 4. Re: Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding > >> (Sheri Burbridge) > >> > >> > >>>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 20:43:59 +0000 > > From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: > > [Felvtalk] Jelly.. > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Bob, I am thrilled you have seen a bit of improvement, though I get > > your cautiousness as well. It could be something, it could be nothing, > > but any improvement lifts the spirits a bit. Also, based on the lab > > results I saw, it will take a long while to correct the abnormalities > > there, so anticipate a long slow battle. Hopefully, you continue to > > see bright-spots, and that those bright-spots increase in frequency > > and duration. > > > > Keep up the patient, kind work for little Jelly. > > > > Amani > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > > Of ROBERT CHAPEL > > Sent: April-07-17 5:05 PM > > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Cc: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly.. > > > > Thank you all for your support and suggestions...? It is a comfort to > > me that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we > > can develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL > > to me are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : > > ) it is that much more painful.... > > I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming > > and pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side > > inviting me to brush his sides and back....after that he actually ate > > a little bit of baby food off a plate.... I had to leave for a few > > hours and I was hoping against hope that when I returned he would have > > finished the rest of the baby food I left on the plate.... ? I don't > > know which bothers me more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed > > hours later or just never getting my hopes up?...? When I returned > > home he was quite lethargic and had not touched any of? the food... ? > > His gurgling ( which had abated considerably for several hours( maybe > > the Winstrol IS helping this Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a > > little food into him was a challenge again.....? Still... he DID > > improve for a few hours which " may " be a good sign...or..no sign at > > all...? Every day I decide to...than decide against putting him down > > about 40 times...? But.. I'm a little better this time around with my > > ability to recognize Kitty discomfort and not rush to end a life that > > still HAS some life left... > > As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)....? I'm > > actually rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which > > always was turkey baby food.... ? Squirting a bit into the gum pouch > > opposite the side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down > > his throat.... Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it... ? I > > leave plates of anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous > > places throughout the day so that he never has to go far to take a " > > bite " if he is inclined..... and Sheri... I can assure you that this > > little guy is not wanting for affection....? any time that he is > > willing to stay near me he IS near me ( but that was always the way it > > was...? I am literally unable to be in the presence of an animal > > without having a hand on some part of it's body.... Moreso my own pets > > but really quite the same with any animal any WHERE... I've been that > > way since I was a youngster..... ?? I'm the guy who would be VERY > > conflicted between saving the guy I don't know or his dog if their > > boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at least a 60% likelihood it would > > be the dog)..... ? So.... thank you all for your support and > > particularly for the love and care you provide the little creatures > > that so many others overlook... > > > > Bob? > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:55 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > wrote: > > > >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > >> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: Syringe Feeding (ROBERT CHAPEL) > >> 2. Re: Syringe Feeding (Amani Oakley) > >> 3. 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URL: From sheri7177 at gmail.com Sun Apr 9 12:19:49 2017 From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2017 17:19:49 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo update Message-ID: I feel a lot like Bob right now, it's hard to tell if we are making progress. I'm trying very hard to be patient but time is not on our side and it's difficult. Mo has been eating less and less every day and won't really lick the gel off anymore so I'm going to try the baby food today. With how picky he is I don't have much hope of him liking it. I feel like a bully constantly restraining him and shoving things in his mouth. I know it's the only hope he has but it's still hard. Yesterday I set up a little area for him on a nightstand by the window. There is a pad for him to lay on, his own water bowl, and he can look out on the back yard while the afternoon sun shines on him. It makes me feel better that this is where he's spending his time and not in a dark room somewhere. He seems so relaxed and happy there. This is all so mentally and emotionally draining. I am so grateful for you all that understand this struggle and don't think I'm crazy for putting so much effort into this. I'm going to try the baby food a bit later and also see if he will try some chicken. I cook for my dogs and have a batch going today so I might as well give it a go! Enjoy the rest of the weekend, thanks for listening. Sheri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Sun Apr 9 15:14:55 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2017 20:14:55 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sheri It is extremely difficult to go through what you and Mo are going through, and all of us have been there. I too have known the frustration and guilt of constantly harassing one of the babies in my charge with food. However, I have very often seen them come through the other end, and so, while things look bleak right now, if they are able to get enough to eat and if the meds end up helping, all is forgiven and forgotten. There is no question it is absolutely gut-wrenching to have to decide if you are helping or hurting at this time, and only you can know the right answer. All of us would do different things, and every situation is unique, so there is no one-size-fits-all solution. Make the decision out of love and no matter what the outcome, remember that it was out of love that you did it. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I find baby food very helpful in these circumstances and I will squirt the food via syringe, into their mouths because they need more than they will take on their own right now and squirting it in their mouths actually means I harass them for LESS time. After the worst of the crisis passes, they usually will begin to show interest in the food without the need for the syringing, but even then, if they aren?t getting enough intake, I will keep syringing to ensure they are getting enough, until they get to the point that they are licking up enough on their own. It is a vicious circle of course, because not getting enough to eat makes them feel horrible and week, and worsens their appetite even more, etc. Thus, I try to break that cycle by ensuring they are getting enough intake, to allow the meds time to kick in. When I started in ?rescuing? of strays, I was told by the animal welfare group with which I was volunteering, that you cannot get a cat to eat, who doesn?t want to eat. I have not found that to be the case, but I think that my success has been due to keeping the feeding time short and effective, and thus, I keep the skirmishing short. I can get 1 3-cc syringe of pureed baby food into most cats in just a few minutes, and even 10 syringes will take 15-20 minutes (because if I go that far, my baby is clearly open to getting more food). Keeping the time short and effective will minimize the fighting and unpleasantness for both of you, so if I can only get 1 syringe in before my baby gets terribly unhappy, then I will stop. But my minimum is 1 syringe at a feeding, and I set goals to increase that as I am able. Sadly, of course, we all know that the meds may not work, and so the food intake ends up being for naught (along with the regretful harassment). For me and Zander, that is one of the ways that the weekly bloodwork I was having done, was helpful. I was able to see improvement in the bloodwork, so it lessened the uncertainty regarding whether I was going down the right road. However, even bloodwork results are not always definitive because you can see an improvement in the numbers but it is not enough to end up helping. For that reason, doctors are taught to ?treat the person, not the numbers?. Nonetheless, as long as you are seeing a few good moments and glimmers of improvement, there is hope and we are with you and Mo. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Burbridge Sent: April-09-17 1:20 PM To: Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo update I feel a lot like Bob right now, it's hard to tell if we are making progress. I'm trying very hard to be patient but time is not on our side and it's difficult. Mo has been eating less and less every day and won't really lick the gel off anymore so I'm going to try the baby food today. With how picky he is I don't have much hope of him liking it. I feel like a bully constantly restraining him and shoving things in his mouth. I know it's the only hope he has but it's still hard. Yesterday I set up a little area for him on a nightstand by the window. There is a pad for him to lay on, his own water bowl, and he can look out on the back yard while the afternoon sun shines on him. It makes me feel better that this is where he's spending his time and not in a dark room somewhere. He seems so relaxed and happy there. This is all so mentally and emotionally draining. I am so grateful for you all that understand this struggle and don't think I'm crazy for putting so much effort into this. I'm going to try the baby food a bit later and also see if he will try some chicken. I cook for my dogs and have a batch going today so I might as well give it a go! Enjoy the rest of the weekend, thanks for listening. Sheri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheri7177 at gmail.com Sun Apr 9 17:52:26 2017 From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2017 22:52:26 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for the encouragement! I was really dreading the syringe feeding but it went better than I thought. I was able to get 3- 3cc syringes in him and although he hated being restrained and wasn't lapping it on his own, he didn't seem to hate the taste and dutifully swallowed each bit until the end of syringe 3 where he let it come back out. I put him back on his sunny spot and he immediately went to sleep. I have to assume a full belly was a relief. I'm going to bring home some more 10cc syringes tomorrow, I think it will be easier to refill less often during the feeding. I've decided the little area we have set up is Mo's spot and I feel good about him spending his time there and watching the birds and squirrels outside. If this all fails, I at least know that's a happy place for him. I won't give him meds or food there, it's his safe spot from all this madness. I could swear his gums are pinking up but I may just really want to believe that right now. I'm holding out for bloodwork at 30 days so time will be the tell. Sheri On Sun, Apr 9, 2017, 4:15 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > Hi Sheri > > > > It is extremely difficult to go through what you and Mo are going through, > and all of us have been there. I too have known the frustration and guilt > of constantly harassing one of the babies in my charge with food. However, > I have very often seen them come through the other end, and so, while > things look bleak right now, if they are able to get enough to eat and if > the meds end up helping, all is forgiven and forgotten. There is no > question it is absolutely gut-wrenching to have to decide if you are > helping or hurting at this time, and only you can know the right answer. > All of us would do different things, and every situation is unique, so > there is no one-size-fits-all solution. Make the decision out of love and > no matter what the outcome, remember that it was out of love that you did > it. > > > > As I mentioned in my earlier post, I find baby food very helpful in these > circumstances and I will squirt the food via syringe, into their mouths > because they need more than they will take on their own right now and > squirting it in their mouths actually means I harass them for LESS time. > After the worst of the crisis passes, they usually will begin to show > interest in the food without the need for the syringing, but even then, if > they aren?t getting enough intake, I will keep syringing to ensure they are > getting enough, until they get to the point that they are licking up enough > on their own. It is a vicious circle of course, because not getting enough > to eat makes them feel horrible and week, and worsens their appetite even > more, etc. Thus, I try to break that cycle by ensuring they are getting > enough intake, to allow the meds time to kick in. > > > > When I started in ?rescuing? of strays, I was told by the animal welfare > group with which I was volunteering, that you cannot get a cat to eat, who > doesn?t want to eat. I have not found that to be the case, but I think that > my success has been due to keeping the feeding time short and effective, > and thus, I keep the skirmishing short. I can get 1 3-cc syringe of pureed > baby food into most cats in just a few minutes, and even 10 syringes will > take 15-20 minutes (because if I go that far, my baby is clearly open to > getting more food). Keeping the time short and effective will minimize the > fighting and unpleasantness for both of you, so if I can only get 1 syringe > in before my baby gets terribly unhappy, then I will stop. But my minimum > is 1 syringe at a feeding, and I set goals to increase that as I am able. > > > > Sadly, of course, we all know that the meds may not work, and so the food > intake ends up being for naught (along with the regretful harassment). For > me and Zander, that is one of the ways that the weekly bloodwork I was > having done, was helpful. I was able to see improvement in the bloodwork, > so it lessened the uncertainty regarding whether I was going down the right > road. However, even bloodwork results are not always definitive because you > can see an improvement in the numbers but it is not enough to end up > helping. For that reason, doctors are taught to ?treat the person, not the > numbers?. Nonetheless, as long as you are seeing a few good moments and > glimmers of improvement, there is hope and we are with you and Mo. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Sheri Burbridge > *Sent:* April-09-17 1:20 PM > *To:* Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Mo update > > > > I feel a lot like Bob right now, it's hard to tell if we are making > progress. I'm trying very hard to be patient but time is not on our side > and it's difficult. > > > > Mo has been eating less and less every day and won't really lick the gel > off anymore so I'm going to try the baby food today. With how picky he is I > don't have much hope of him liking it. I feel like a bully constantly > restraining him and shoving things in his mouth. I know it's the only hope > he has but it's still hard. > > > > Yesterday I set up a little area for him on a nightstand by the window. > There is a pad for him to lay on, his own water bowl, and he can look out > on the back yard while the afternoon sun shines on him. It makes me feel > better that this is where he's spending his time and not in a dark room > somewhere. He seems so relaxed and happy there. > > > > This is all so mentally and emotionally draining. I am so grateful for you > all that understand this struggle and don't think I'm crazy for putting so > much effort into this. > > > > I'm going to try the baby food a bit later and also see if he will try > some chicken. I cook for my dogs and have a batch going today so I might as > well give it a go! > > > > Enjoy the rest of the weekend, thanks for listening. > > > > Sheri > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bchapel at optonline.net Mon Apr 10 01:52:03 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 02:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68fa82c.71c17.15b56a23a56.Webtop.57@optonline.net> Sheri.. I don't think I need to tell you that I REALLY feel for your struggle....? I love that you have made a little place for mo where he can look out onto the outside world , feel the sun and look at the other little creatures ( that he would likely kill and eat if he had the chance....lets be real : )?????? but....? I still LOVE to see them show interest in the world around them... it helps us to "stay the course".....?? I have NO idea if our little charges have any appreciation of what we do for them or even if it makes a difference that make a comfortable safe sunny area for them at our homes...? I need to do it for ME...? I can't stand the idea of any creature dying unloved and unattended even IF they themselves don't even know it TO be so... Right this minute I have Jelly on two syringes of Buphenorphine and am hoping that he dies at home so that I don't have to take him someplace unfamiliar in order to save him from further discomfort....? Tonight he began mouth breathing and meowing pathetically after I moved him and it is clear that he is very uncomfortable...? He's unstable on his feet...eating and drinking and using the litter box not at all and unless he perks up substantially I'm going to? try to help him out of this world tomorrow...... I HATE having to make this decision but... for these last 12 hours he has been a cat without ANY quality of life and the show of discomfort just makes it impossible for me to overlook it and hope for the best any longer......? Hoping for a miracle in the later morning... Keep at it with little mo....? perhaps you will have better fortune.... Bob From bchapel at optonline.net Mon Apr 10 01:52:03 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 02:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68fa82c.71c17.15b56a23a56.Webtop.57@optonline.net> Sheri.. I don't think I need to tell you that I REALLY feel for your struggle....? I love that you have made a little place for mo where he can look out onto the outside world , feel the sun and look at the other little creatures ( that he would likely kill and eat if he had the chance....lets be real : )?????? but....? I still LOVE to see them show interest in the world around them... it helps us to "stay the course".....?? I have NO idea if our little charges have any appreciation of what we do for them or even if it makes a difference that make a comfortable safe sunny area for them at our homes...? I need to do it for ME...? I can't stand the idea of any creature dying unloved and unattended even IF they themselves don't even know it TO be so... Right this minute I have Jelly on two syringes of Buphenorphine and am hoping that he dies at home so that I don't have to take him someplace unfamiliar in order to save him from further discomfort....? Tonight he began mouth breathing and meowing pathetically after I moved him and it is clear that he is very uncomfortable...? He's unstable on his feet...eating and drinking and using the litter box not at all and unless he perks up substantially I'm going to? try to help him out of this world tomorrow...... I HATE having to make this decision but... for these last 12 hours he has been a cat without ANY quality of life and the show of discomfort just makes it impossible for me to overlook it and hope for the best any longer......? Hoping for a miracle in the later morning... Keep at it with little mo....? perhaps you will have better fortune.... Bob From sheri7177 at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 08:36:12 2017 From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:36:12 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo In-Reply-To: <68fa82c.71c17.15b56a23a56.Webtop.57@optonline.net> References: <68fa82c.71c17.15b56a23a56.Webtop.57@optonline.net> Message-ID: Oh Bob, my heart just hurts for you today. Poor Jelly, it is so hard to watch them struggle. You are both in my thoughts constantly today, I can only hope that the buprenorphine is easing his pain somewhat. I completely understand that you'd rather have him pass at home. These poor animals have spent so much time in clinics that it seems cruel that they would have to end their lives there as well. I wish there were words that could help at this point. Just know that you are not alone in this and you have given Jelly a beautiful life. Sending hugs from Ohio, I'm so very sorry this is happening. Sheri On Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 2:52 AM ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > > Sheri.. > I don't think I need to tell you that I REALLY feel for your > struggle.... I love that you have made a little place for mo where he > can look out onto the outside world , feel the sun and look at the other > little creatures ( that he would likely kill and eat if he had the > chance....lets be real : ) but.... I still LOVE to see them show > interest in the world around them... it helps us to "stay the > course"..... I have NO idea if our little charges have any > appreciation of what we do for them or even if it makes a difference > that make a comfortable safe sunny area for them at our homes... I need > to do it for ME... I can't stand the idea of any creature dying unloved > and unattended even IF they themselves don't even know it TO be so... > Right this minute I have Jelly on two syringes of Buphenorphine and am > hoping that he dies at home so that I don't have to take him someplace > unfamiliar in order to save him from further discomfort.... Tonight he > began mouth breathing and meowing pathetically after I moved him and it > is clear that he is very uncomfortable... He's unstable on his > feet...eating and drinking and using the litter box not at all and > unless he perks up substantially I'm going to try to help him out of > this world tomorrow...... I HATE having to make this decision but... for > these last 12 hours he has been a cat without ANY quality of life and > the show of discomfort just makes it impossible for me to overlook it > and hope for the best any longer...... Hoping for a miracle in the > later morning... > Keep at it with little mo.... perhaps you will have better fortune.... > > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j13w0lson at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 09:50:25 2017 From: j13w0lson at gmail.com (Jennifer Olson) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 09:50:25 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Comfort In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is PAINFULLY difficult to know when enough is enough. God be with you & your furbaby. Jen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheri7177 at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 09:53:18 2017 From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 14:53:18 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Vet wants to run the bloodwork tomorrow and see where we are with the anemia. I'd have liked to have given it more time but I'm also anxious to know if the meds are working. I guess I'll have some answers on Wednesday. I think I saw on here somewhere that you can buy Doxy at pet stores? Has anyone done this and put it in the baby food or some type of liquid? It cost me $40 for a 10 day supply from the pharmacy, that plus $50 for a 20 day course of Winstrol and $32 for a 5 day supply of Buprenorphine and $100 every time we run his labs is really adding up! On Sun, Apr 9, 2017, 6:52 PM Sheri Burbridge wrote: > Thank you for the encouragement! I was really dreading the syringe feeding > but it went better than I thought. I was able to get 3- 3cc syringes in him > and although he hated being restrained and wasn't lapping it on his own, he > didn't seem to hate the taste and dutifully swallowed each bit until the > end of syringe 3 where he let it come back out. > > I put him back on his sunny spot and he immediately went to sleep. I have > to assume a full belly was a relief. > > I'm going to bring home some more 10cc syringes tomorrow, I think it will > be easier to refill less often during the feeding. > > I've decided the little area we have set up is Mo's spot and I feel good > about him spending his time there and watching the birds and squirrels > outside. If this all fails, I at least know that's a happy place for him. I > won't give him meds or food there, it's his safe spot from all this > madness. > > I could swear his gums are pinking up but I may just really want to > believe that right now. I'm holding out for bloodwork at 30 days so time > will be the tell. > > Sheri > > On Sun, Apr 9, 2017, 4:15 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Sheri > > > > It is extremely difficult to go through what you and Mo are going through, > and all of us have been there. I too have known the frustration and guilt > of constantly harassing one of the babies in my charge with food. However, > I have very often seen them come through the other end, and so, while > things look bleak right now, if they are able to get enough to eat and if > the meds end up helping, all is forgiven and forgotten. There is no > question it is absolutely gut-wrenching to have to decide if you are > helping or hurting at this time, and only you can know the right answer. > All of us would do different things, and every situation is unique, so > there is no one-size-fits-all solution. Make the decision out of love and > no matter what the outcome, remember that it was out of love that you did > it. > > > > As I mentioned in my earlier post, I find baby food very helpful in these > circumstances and I will squirt the food via syringe, into their mouths > because they need more than they will take on their own right now and > squirting it in their mouths actually means I harass them for LESS time. > After the worst of the crisis passes, they usually will begin to show > interest in the food without the need for the syringing, but even then, if > they aren?t getting enough intake, I will keep syringing to ensure they are > getting enough, until they get to the point that they are licking up enough > on their own. It is a vicious circle of course, because not getting enough > to eat makes them feel horrible and week, and worsens their appetite even > more, etc. Thus, I try to break that cycle by ensuring they are getting > enough intake, to allow the meds time to kick in. > > > > When I started in ?rescuing? of strays, I was told by the animal welfare > group with which I was volunteering, that you cannot get a cat to eat, who > doesn?t want to eat. I have not found that to be the case, but I think that > my success has been due to keeping the feeding time short and effective, > and thus, I keep the skirmishing short. I can get 1 3-cc syringe of pureed > baby food into most cats in just a few minutes, and even 10 syringes will > take 15-20 minutes (because if I go that far, my baby is clearly open to > getting more food). Keeping the time short and effective will minimize the > fighting and unpleasantness for both of you, so if I can only get 1 syringe > in before my baby gets terribly unhappy, then I will stop. But my minimum > is 1 syringe at a feeding, and I set goals to increase that as I am able. > > > > Sadly, of course, we all know that the meds may not work, and so the food > intake ends up being for naught (along with the regretful harassment). For > me and Zander, that is one of the ways that the weekly bloodwork I was > having done, was helpful. I was able to see improvement in the bloodwork, > so it lessened the uncertainty regarding whether I was going down the right > road. However, even bloodwork results are not always definitive because you > can see an improvement in the numbers but it is not enough to end up > helping. For that reason, doctors are taught to ?treat the person, not the > numbers?. Nonetheless, as long as you are seeing a few good moments and > glimmers of improvement, there is hope and we are with you and Mo. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Sheri Burbridge > *Sent:* April-09-17 1:20 PM > *To:* Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Mo update > > > > I feel a lot like Bob right now, it's hard to tell if we are making > progress. I'm trying very hard to be patient but time is not on our side > and it's difficult. > > > > Mo has been eating less and less every day and won't really lick the gel > off anymore so I'm going to try the baby food today. With how picky he is I > don't have much hope of him liking it. I feel like a bully constantly > restraining him and shoving things in his mouth. I know it's the only hope > he has but it's still hard. > > > > Yesterday I set up a little area for him on a nightstand by the window. > There is a pad for him to lay on, his own water bowl, and he can look out > on the back yard while the afternoon sun shines on him. It makes me feel > better that this is where he's spending his time and not in a dark room > somewhere. He seems so relaxed and happy there. > > > > This is all so mentally and emotionally draining. I am so grateful for you > all that understand this struggle and don't think I'm crazy for putting so > much effort into this. > > > > I'm going to try the baby food a bit later and also see if he will try > some chicken. I cook for my dogs and have a batch going today so I might as > well give it a go! > > > > Enjoy the rest of the weekend, thanks for listening. > > > > Sheri > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlgegg at windstream.net Mon Apr 10 18:09:58 2017 From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 18:09:58 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo In-Reply-To: <68fa82c.71c17.15b56a23a56.Webtop.57@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20170410190958.V74UZ.6032.root@pamxwww11-z01> I believe that our little ones do know we love and care for them. Just because they cannot say so in words, they let us know by actions. When Annie's eyes get a bit gunky, she comes to me, meows and waits patiently for me to clean them. ---- ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > Sheri.. I don't think I need to tell you that I REALLY feel for your struggle....? I love that you have made a little place for mo where he can look out onto the outside world , feel the sun and look at the other little creatures ( that he would likely kill and eat if he had the chance....lets be real : )?????? but....? I still LOVE to see them show interest in the world around them... it helps us to "stay the course".....?? I have NO idea if our little charges have any appreciation of what we do for them or even if it makes a difference that make a comfortable safe sunny area for them at our homes...? I need to do it for ME...? I can't stand the idea of any creature dying unloved and unattended even IF they themselves don't even know it TO be so... Right this minute I have Jelly on two syringes of Buphenorphine and am hoping that he dies at home so that I don't have to take him someplace unfamiliar in order to save him from further discomfort....? Tonight he began mouth breathing and meowing pathetically after I moved him and it is clear that he is very uncomfortable...? He's unstable on his feet...eating and drinking and using the litter box not at all and unless he perks up substantially I'm going to? try to help him out of this world tomorrow...... I HATE having to make this decision but... for these last 12 hours he has been a cat without ANY quality of life and the show of discomfort just makes it impossible for me to overlook it and hope for the best any longer......? Hoping for a miracle in the later morning... Keep at it with little mo....? perhaps you will have better fortune.... Bob _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From sheri7177 at gmail.com Tue Apr 11 06:26:59 2017 From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:26:59 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo Message-ID: Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort care. We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really see the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first started slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this knowledge for Violet. My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From merrykatmeows at email.com Tue Apr 11 07:25:02 2017 From: merrykatmeows at email.com (kat) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:25:02 +0200 Subject: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kathstix at gmail.com Tue Apr 11 07:47:43 2017 From: kathstix at gmail.com (Katherine K.) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 08:47:43 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So much love to you and Mo. <3 He knows you love him. Sending you strength during this sad time. On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 8:25 AM, kat wrote: > Sheri, > > My heart is breaking for you & little Mo - You've done the best you could > with what you knew at the time - and all of it with great Love & compassion > for Mo. Each one of our furry babies teaches us so much & loves us no > matter what. And they take a piece of out hearts & all of our love with > them when it is their time to transition, so none of this is ever in vain. > Holding you in my thoughts & prayers. > > Kat (Mew Jersey) > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 7:26 AM > *From:* "Sheri Burbridge" > *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo > Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my > daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his > buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort care. > > We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really see > the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first started > slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this knowledge > for Violet. > > My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair. > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tessie1965 at icloud.com Tue Apr 11 08:45:23 2017 From: tessie1965 at icloud.com (Marlene Snowman) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 10:45:23 -0300 Subject: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <307A1D5A-2745-4233-8B7B-77A8179790A2@icloud.com> Thoughts are with you and Mo.... M Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 11, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Sheri Burbridge wrote: > > Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort care. > > We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really see the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first started slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this knowledge for Violet. > > My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair. > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From dlgegg at windstream.net Tue Apr 11 10:05:35 2017 From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 10:05:35 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20170411110535.TEKN5.1211.root@pamxwww03-z01> Keeping you in my prayers. You have tried the best you could and you have learnd from this. Life is an ongoing series of lessons. The main thing is you loved him and tried to help him, he knows this. ---- kat wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From swacht1946 at comcast.net Tue Apr 11 11:31:43 2017 From: swacht1946 at comcast.net (Sandy) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 16:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1673325290.5120573.1491928303281.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Sheri my heart hurts for you. Mo and you are in my thoughts and I offer prayers of comfort. Thank you so much for all the care and love given to Mo. Sandy W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheri Burbridge" To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 7:26:59 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort care. We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really see the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first started slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this knowledge for Violet. My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair. _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j13w0lson at gmail.com Tue Apr 11 11:36:37 2017 From: j13w0lson at gmail.com (Jennifer Olson) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:36:37 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thoughts & prayers for your strength. Mo will be completely healthy soon- just missing you til you are reunited once more. Jen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Tue Apr 11 11:54:23 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 16:54:23 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am so sorry Sheri. You did everything possible. And you?re right. It is beyond unfair that these innocent beings should suffer and die like this. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Burbridge Sent: April-11-17 7:27 AM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort care. We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really see the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first started slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this knowledge for Violet. My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bchapel at optonline.net Tue Apr 11 14:38:51 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 15:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Little Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6a82907d.74418.15b5e869974.Webtop.41@optonline.net> Sheri..... I could not BE more sorry to hear this... it is SO close to my heart as well and has been from the time you started to write about little MO.?? Thank you so much for giving your love and care to this unfortunate little guy...? it's so hard to accept this level of injustice sometimes and the only comfort _ I _ get is when lovely people like yourself step in and try to give help and comfort to these lovely creatures... I lost the Battle with my little Jelly very early in the AM on Monday and it was not an easy passing....? I wish that I had not held on as long....? If little mo is uncomfortable I would definitely suggest that you euthanize him lest he die uncomfortably.....? but... that is obviously coming from a person who is still feeling guilty that he waiting too long himself.....??? I know how hard you have been trying and I have immense respect for your giving heart and compassion for the little creatures who have no one but us( and the many other animal caretakers out there)... to look out for them....?? Whatever else you feel...know that you should value your pure heart. Bob On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 12:31 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org wrote: > From bchapel at optonline.net Tue Apr 11 14:38:51 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 15:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Little Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6a82907d.74418.15b5e869974.Webtop.41@optonline.net> Sheri..... I could not BE more sorry to hear this... it is SO close to my heart as well and has been from the time you started to write about little MO.?? Thank you so much for giving your love and care to this unfortunate little guy...? it's so hard to accept this level of injustice sometimes and the only comfort _ I _ get is when lovely people like yourself step in and try to give help and comfort to these lovely creatures... I lost the Battle with my little Jelly very early in the AM on Monday and it was not an easy passing....? I wish that I had not held on as long....? If little mo is uncomfortable I would definitely suggest that you euthanize him lest he die uncomfortably.....? but... that is obviously coming from a person who is still feeling guilty that he waiting too long himself.....??? I know how hard you have been trying and I have immense respect for your giving heart and compassion for the little creatures who have no one but us( and the many other animal caretakers out there)... to look out for them....?? Whatever else you feel...know that you should value your pure heart. Bob On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 12:31 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org wrote: > From sheri7177 at gmail.com Tue Apr 11 15:47:22 2017 From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 20:47:22 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Little Mo In-Reply-To: <6a82907d.74418.15b5e869974.Webtop.41@optonline.net> References: <6a82907d.74418.15b5e869974.Webtop.41@optonline.net> Message-ID: Thank you Bob, I appreciate your kind words, I'm so very sorry to hear that little Jelly passed. I'm thankful that you showed him such love and that surely outweighs the discomfort in the end. Mo is very weak and has lost control of his bladder or lacks the energy to try to get up to urinate. I realized when I picked him up and he was soaked in urine that it was time to let him go. I had the day off today so I have literally been in my bed with Mo on my chest since 7am today. He rarely purrs but still enjoys being petted and butting his head against my face and snuggling. He even seems to be dreaming as he sleeps. He's in no pain that I can tell. He is just very limp and lethargic. He still sips water so I'll continue to give it to him. I have a few doses of Buprenorphine left and I will give him those if he's conscious. My goal is that he passes with me or in his spot. His life has been nothing but shelters and clinics and needles and meds so I want to avoid that unless he's in pain. We've moved from treatment to hospice care and I'm so lucky to spend this time with him. My grief comes in waves but I am at least certain that I did all I could for him. I'm also so thankful for our happy healthy Violet. They look alike and she has patches of his coloring. I feel like we still will have a piece of him in her. For now, I'm soaking in his cuddles. It will never be enough time. Sheri On Tue, Apr 11, 2017, 3:39 PM ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > Sheri..... > I could not BE more sorry to hear this... it is SO close to my heart as > well and has been from the time you started to write about little MO. > Thank you so much for giving your love and care to this unfortunate > little guy... it's so hard to accept this level of injustice sometimes > and the only comfort _ I _ get is when lovely people like yourself step > in and try to give help and comfort to these lovely creatures... > I lost the Battle with my little Jelly very early in the AM on Monday > and it was not an easy passing.... I wish that I had not held on as > long.... If little mo is uncomfortable I would definitely suggest that > you euthanize him lest he die uncomfortably..... but... that is > obviously coming from a person who is still feeling guilty that he > waiting too long himself..... I know how hard you have been trying > and I have immense respect for your giving heart and compassion for the > little creatures who have no one but us( and the many other animal > caretakers out there)... to look out for them.... Whatever else you > feel...know that you should value your pure heart. > > Bob > > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 12:31 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > wrote: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheri7177 at gmail.com Tue Apr 11 16:13:08 2017 From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 21:13:08 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you all for your kind words and support. It means so much to me during this painful time. On Tue, Apr 11, 2017, 12:54 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > I am so sorry Sheri. You did everything possible. And you?re right. It is > beyond unfair that these innocent beings should suffer and die like this. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Sheri Burbridge > *Sent:* April-11-17 7:27 AM > *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo > > > > Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my > daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his > buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort care. > > > > We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really see > the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first started > slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this knowledge > for Violet. > > > > My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair. > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheri7177 at gmail.com Tue Apr 11 17:43:43 2017 From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 22:43:43 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you Jen, I need all the strength I can get! On Tue, Apr 11, 2017, 12:36 PM Jennifer Olson wrote: Thoughts & prayers for your strength. Mo will be completely healthy soon- just missing you til you are reunited once more. Jen _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From christinedundas at gmail.com Tue Apr 11 20:35:47 2017 From: christinedundas at gmail.com (Christine Dundas) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 21:35:47 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My heart is breaking for you too. It is so unfair. I curse this stupid virus. I hate the fact that there is not something more that can be done with treatment and cure. You are in my thoughts and prayers. Stay strong. Christine On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 7:26 AM, Sheri Burbridge wrote: > Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my > daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his > buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort care. > > We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really see > the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first started > slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this knowledge > for Violet. > > My heart is breaking. 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URL: From sheri7177 at gmail.com Wed Apr 12 03:55:43 2017 From: sheri7177 at gmail.com (Sheri Burbridge) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 08:55:43 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Holding on... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have done this too, but I'm really hoping Mo can pass at home. His whole life was meds and surgeries and needles and clinics and shelters, I don't want his last moments to be the same. He left my bed in the night and had an accident on the floor. I have laid potty pads on his spot and put him there after. He's resting comfortably for now. I have to work this morning. It is killing me to leave him alone. I will at least be out by lunchtime to spend the rest of the day with him. It's so difficult to smile and focus on my patients when all I want is to be home for him. I have another round of Buprenorphine waiting at the vet. My only goal is to make him comfortable until he goes. I appreciate all of you. These emails have been so comforting and kind, they mean so much to me right now, thank you. Sheri On Wed, Apr 12, 2017, 12:06 AM Jennifer Olson wrote: > I have been allowed to hold both of my cats & 1 for my sister as they were > "put down". Using a towel around their lower half to catch anything > excreted when they leave their body helps. > Be your & your baby's best advocate when the time comes. > My heart hurts for yours, > Jen > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From merrykatmeows at email.com Wed Apr 12 07:20:34 2017 From: merrykatmeows at email.com (kat) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:20:34 +0200 Subject: [Felvtalk] So Sad that Jelly has made his transition Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From merrykatmeows at email.com Wed Apr 12 07:52:47 2017 From: merrykatmeows at email.com (kat) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:52:47 +0200 Subject: [Felvtalk] Holding on... & letting go In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j13w0lson at gmail.com Wed Apr 12 11:17:49 2017 From: j13w0lson at gmail.com (Jennifer Olson) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 11:17:49 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mobil vet Message-ID: AWESOME ! ! ! There should be MORE of them. I'd pay the extra "convenience" fees, to protect my fur-babies from the stress of going in. The comfort felt of being at HOME ! I think if we approach our vets with the idea, and a waiver because of concerns of being sued, this could really catch on! Jen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bchapel at optonline.net Wed Apr 12 13:57:25 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82ccddb.75e89.15b638709bd.Webtop.34@optonline.net> I hope little Mo passes soon.....Not that I want Mo to be gone but I want you to be able to actually grieve his loss rather than be subjected to the pain of wondering each day if THIS is the day and worrying if he is going to die while you are away from him..... I don't know that they sense our presence when they are this ill and close to the end of their lives but I know it made ME feel better to be with my guys holding them for as many hours as I could while they were near the end.....? I hope you , too, are able to be physically connected to your little Mo when he leaves his little body......?? I am comforted for Mo that he has you caring this much that his last moments have a much quality as you can provide Bob On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 04:56 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Letting go of Mo (Sheri Burbridge) > 2. Re: Mo (Sheri Burbridge) > 3. Re: Mo (bchapel at optonline.net) > 4. Re: Letting go of Mo (Christine Dundas) > 5. Holding on... (Jennifer Olson) > 6. Re: Holding on... (Sheri Burbridge) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 21:13:08 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: > [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you all for your kind words and support. It means so much to me > during this painful time. > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017, 12:54 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > >> I am so sorry Sheri. You did everything possible. And you?re right. >> It is >> beyond unfair that these innocent beings should suffer and die like >> this. >> >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On >> Behalf >> Of *Sheri Burbridge >> *Sent:* April-11-17 7:27 AM >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> >> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo >> >> >> >> Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my >> daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his >> buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort >> care. >> >> >> >> We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really >> see >> the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first >> started >> slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this >> knowledge >> for Violet. >> >> >> >> My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair. >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 22:43:43 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mo > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you Jen, I need all the strength I can get! > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017, 12:36 PM Jennifer Olson wrote: > > Thoughts & prayers for your strength. Mo will be completely healthy > soon- > just missing you til you are reunited once more. > Jen > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:00:26 GMT > From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org, > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mo > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Sheri > There is no better ending for our little friends than to die in the > arms of those who loved them....... and no better ending for us as > well. > Mo deserves to not have his end be a repetition of his beginnings...I > realize that I am not the most objective fellow in the world at the > moment but ,having had my little yogi die with me holding him ... > passing quietly and peacefully was a comfort for me. No quess > workhether it was the right time. No yanking him from his home, to be > put in a carrier and exposed to a stressful car ride.. placed on a > metal table to meet his end in a strange place. Whenever possible this > IS the way to go > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 21:35:47 -0400 > From: Christine Dundas To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > My heart is breaking for you too. It is so unfair. I curse this > stupid > virus. I hate the fact that there is not something more that can be > done > with treatment and cure. > > You are in my thoughts and prayers. Stay strong. > > Christine > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 7:26 AM, Sheri Burbridge wrote: > >> Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my >> daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his >> buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort >> care. >> >> We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really >> see >> the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first >> started >> slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this >> knowledge >> for Violet. >> >> My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 23:06:21 -0500 > From: Jennifer Olson To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Holding on... > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have been allowed to hold both of my cats & 1 for my sister as they > were > "put down". Using a towel around their lower half to catch anything > excreted when they leave their body helps. > Be your & your baby's best advocate when the time comes. > My heart hurts for yours, > Jen > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 08:55:43 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Holding on... > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have done this too, but I'm really hoping Mo can pass at home. His > whole > life was meds and surgeries and needles and clinics and shelters, I > don't > want his last moments to be the same. > > He left my bed in the night and had an accident on the floor. I have > laid > potty pads on his spot and put him there after. He's resting > comfortably > for now. > > I have to work this morning. It is killing me to leave him alone. I > will at > least be out by lunchtime to spend the rest of the day with him. It's > so > difficult to smile and focus on my patients when all I want is to be > home > for him. > > I have another round of Buprenorphine waiting at the vet. My only goal > is > to make him comfortable until he goes. > > I appreciate all of you. These emails have been so comforting and > kind, > they mean so much to me right now, thank you. > > Sheri > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017, 12:06 AM Jennifer Olson wrote: > >> I have been allowed to hold both of my cats & 1 for my sister as they >> were >> "put down". Using a towel around their lower half to catch anything >> excreted when they leave their body helps. >> Be your & your baby's best advocate when the time comes. >> My heart hurts for yours, >> Jen >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 21 > **************************************** > From bchapel at optonline.net Wed Apr 12 13:57:25 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82ccddb.75e89.15b638709bd.Webtop.34@optonline.net> I hope little Mo passes soon.....Not that I want Mo to be gone but I want you to be able to actually grieve his loss rather than be subjected to the pain of wondering each day if THIS is the day and worrying if he is going to die while you are away from him..... I don't know that they sense our presence when they are this ill and close to the end of their lives but I know it made ME feel better to be with my guys holding them for as many hours as I could while they were near the end.....? I hope you , too, are able to be physically connected to your little Mo when he leaves his little body......?? I am comforted for Mo that he has you caring this much that his last moments have a much quality as you can provide Bob On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 04:56 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Letting go of Mo (Sheri Burbridge) > 2. Re: Mo (Sheri Burbridge) > 3. Re: Mo (bchapel at optonline.net) > 4. Re: Letting go of Mo (Christine Dundas) > 5. Holding on... (Jennifer Olson) > 6. Re: Holding on... (Sheri Burbridge) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 21:13:08 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: > [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you all for your kind words and support. It means so much to me > during this painful time. > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017, 12:54 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > >> I am so sorry Sheri. You did everything possible. And you?re right. >> It is >> beyond unfair that these innocent beings should suffer and die like >> this. >> >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On >> Behalf >> Of *Sheri Burbridge >> *Sent:* April-11-17 7:27 AM >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> >> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo >> >> >> >> Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my >> daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his >> buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort >> care. >> >> >> >> We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really >> see >> the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first >> started >> slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this >> knowledge >> for Violet. >> >> >> >> My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair. >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 22:43:43 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mo > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you Jen, I need all the strength I can get! > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017, 12:36 PM Jennifer Olson wrote: > > Thoughts & prayers for your strength. Mo will be completely healthy > soon- > just missing you til you are reunited once more. > Jen > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:00:26 GMT > From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org, > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mo > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Sheri > There is no better ending for our little friends than to die in the > arms of those who loved them....... and no better ending for us as > well. > Mo deserves to not have his end be a repetition of his beginnings...I > realize that I am not the most objective fellow in the world at the > moment but ,having had my little yogi die with me holding him ... > passing quietly and peacefully was a comfort for me. No quess > workhether it was the right time. No yanking him from his home, to be > put in a carrier and exposed to a stressful car ride.. placed on a > metal table to meet his end in a strange place. Whenever possible this > IS the way to go > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 21:35:47 -0400 > From: Christine Dundas To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > My heart is breaking for you too. It is so unfair. I curse this > stupid > virus. I hate the fact that there is not something more that can be > done > with treatment and cure. > > You are in my thoughts and prayers. Stay strong. > > Christine > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 7:26 AM, Sheri Burbridge wrote: > >> Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my >> daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his >> buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort >> care. >> >> We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really >> see >> the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first >> started >> slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this >> knowledge >> for Violet. >> >> My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 23:06:21 -0500 > From: Jennifer Olson To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Holding on... > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have been allowed to hold both of my cats & 1 for my sister as they > were > "put down". Using a towel around their lower half to catch anything > excreted when they leave their body helps. > Be your & your baby's best advocate when the time comes. > My heart hurts for yours, > Jen > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 08:55:43 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Holding on... > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have done this too, but I'm really hoping Mo can pass at home. His > whole > life was meds and surgeries and needles and clinics and shelters, I > don't > want his last moments to be the same. > > He left my bed in the night and had an accident on the floor. I have > laid > potty pads on his spot and put him there after. He's resting > comfortably > for now. > > I have to work this morning. It is killing me to leave him alone. I > will at > least be out by lunchtime to spend the rest of the day with him. It's > so > difficult to smile and focus on my patients when all I want is to be > home > for him. > > I have another round of Buprenorphine waiting at the vet. My only goal > is > to make him comfortable until he goes. > > I appreciate all of you. These emails have been so comforting and > kind, > they mean so much to me right now, thank you. > > Sheri > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017, 12:06 AM Jennifer Olson wrote: > >> I have been allowed to hold both of my cats & 1 for my sister as they >> were >> "put down". Using a towel around their lower half to catch anything >> excreted when they leave their body helps. >> Be your & your baby's best advocate when the time comes. >> My heart hurts for yours, >> Jen >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 21 > **************************************** > From dlgegg at windstream.net Wed Apr 12 14:05:40 2017 From: dlgegg at windstream.net (dlgegg at windstream.net) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:05:40 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo In-Reply-To: <82ccddb.75e89.15b638709bd.Webtop.34@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20170412150540.MS18Z.2005.root@pamxwww03-z01> You are so right. I have been with all my babies at the end and I know it made me feel much better knowing that if they needed me, I was there. And yes, they do know you are there and love them. Usually they take hold of me with their paws and hold on. I think it makes them feel more secure in those last moments. ---- ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > I hope little Mo passes soon.....Not that I want Mo to be gone but I want you to be able to actually grieve his loss rather than be subjected to the pain of wondering each day if THIS is the day and worrying if he is going to die while you are away from him..... I don't know that they sense our presence when they are this ill and close to the end of their lives but I know it made ME feel better to be with my guys holding them for as many hours as I could while they were near the end.....? I hope you , too, are able to be physically connected to your little Mo when he leaves his little body......?? I am comforted for Mo that he has you caring this much that his last moments have a much quality as you can provide Bob On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 04:56 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-owner at felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Letting go of Mo (Sheri Burbridge) > 2. Re: Mo (Sheri Burbridge) > 3. Re: Mo (bchapel at optonline.net) > 4. Re: Letting go of Mo (Christine Dundas) > 5. Holding on... (Jennifer Olson) > 6. Re: Holding on... (Sheri Burbridge) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 21:13:08 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: > [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you all for your kind words and support. It means so much to me > during this painful time. > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017, 12:54 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > >> I am so sorry Sheri. You did everything possible. And you?re right. >> It is >> beyond unfair that these innocent beings should suffer and die like >> this. >> >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On >> Behalf >> Of *Sheri Burbridge >> *Sent:* April-11-17 7:27 AM >> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> >> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo >> >> >> >> Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my >> daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his >> buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort >> care. >> >> >> >> We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really >> see >> the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first >> started >> slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this >> knowledge >> for Violet. >> >> >> >> My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair. >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 22:43:43 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mo > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you Jen, I need all the strength I can get! > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017, 12:36 PM Jennifer Olson wrote: > > Thoughts & prayers for your strength. Mo will be completely healthy > soon- > just missing you til you are reunited once more. > Jen > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:00:26 GMT > From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org, > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mo > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Sheri > There is no better ending for our little friends than to die in the > arms of those who loved them....... and no better ending for us as > well. > Mo deserves to not have his end be a repetition of his beginnings...I > realize that I am not the most objective fellow in the world at the > moment but ,having had my little yogi die with me holding him ... > passing quietly and peacefully was a comfort for me. No quess > workhether it was the right time. No yanking him from his home, to be > put in a carrier and exposed to a stressful car ride.. placed on a > metal table to meet his end in a strange place. Whenever possible this > IS the way to go > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 21:35:47 -0400 > From: Christine Dundas To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > My heart is breaking for you too. It is so unfair. I curse this > stupid > virus. I hate the fact that there is not something more that can be > done > with treatment and cure. > > You are in my thoughts and prayers. Stay strong. > > Christine > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 7:26 AM, Sheri Burbridge wrote: > >> Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my >> daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his >> buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort >> care. >> >> We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really >> see >> the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first >> started >> slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this >> knowledge >> for Violet. >> >> My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 23:06:21 -0500 > From: Jennifer Olson To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Holding on... > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have been allowed to hold both of my cats & 1 for my sister as they > were > "put down". Using a towel around their lower half to catch anything > excreted when they leave their body helps. > Be your & your baby's best advocate when the time comes. > My heart hurts for yours, > Jen > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 08:55:43 +0000 > From: Sheri Burbridge To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Holding on... > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have done this too, but I'm really hoping Mo can pass at home. His > whole > life was meds and surgeries and needles and clinics and shelters, I > don't > want his last moments to be the same. > > He left my bed in the night and had an accident on the floor. I have > laid > potty pads on his spot and put him there after. He's resting > comfortably > for now. > > I have to work this morning. It is killing me to leave him alone. I > will at > least be out by lunchtime to spend the rest of the day with him. It's > so > difficult to smile and focus on my patients when all I want is to be > home > for him. > > I have another round of Buprenorphine waiting at the vet. My only goal > is > to make him comfortable until he goes. > > I appreciate all of you. These emails have been so comforting and > kind, > they mean so much to me right now, thank you. > > Sheri > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017, 12:06 AM Jennifer Olson wrote: > >> I have been allowed to hold both of my cats & 1 for my sister as they >> were >> "put down". Using a towel around their lower half to catch anything >> excreted when they leave their body helps. >> Be your & your baby's best advocate when the time comes. >> My heart hurts for yours, >> Jen >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 21 > **************************************** > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From j13w0lson at gmail.com Wed Apr 12 15:40:11 2017 From: j13w0lson at gmail.com (Jennifer Olson) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:40:11 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Make certain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Bob, If you want to be sure Jelly is in your loving, comforting, protective arms- and not suffering, alone.... You can take Jelly in to the vet's, be WITH him, and set him free. My heart is hurting so much for you. Praying for you both- Jen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ardyr at centurytel.net Thu Apr 13 01:16:55 2017 From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 01:16:55 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008c01d2b41d$9f66c750$de3455f0$@centurytel.net> I am so sorry for you Sheri? from what I have read, I see that you have given Mo a loving, caring family, even if his time was short. Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Burbridge Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 6:27 AM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort care. We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really see the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first started slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this knowledge for Violet. My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ardyr at centurytel.net Thu Apr 13 01:20:57 2017 From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 01:20:57 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo In-Reply-To: <68fa82c.71c17.15b56a23a56.Webtop.57@optonline.net> References: <68fa82c.71c17.15b56a23a56.Webtop.57@optonline.net> Message-ID: <009101d2b41e$22816690$678433b0$@centurytel.net> Hi Bob, So very sorry for what you and little Jelly are going through at this point. Always know that you were Jelly's family and you did the best for your little one. I really do believe that they know and appreciate what is being done for them. I also believe we will have our little furbabies in heaven. Of course that will mean that I will have finally achieved "crazy cat lady" status because over my lifetime, I have had lots of them. Ardy -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 1:52 AM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mo Sheri.. I don't think I need to tell you that I REALLY feel for your struggle.... I love that you have made a little place for mo where he can look out onto the outside world , feel the sun and look at the other little creatures ( that he would likely kill and eat if he had the chance....lets be real : ) but.... I still LOVE to see them show interest in the world around them... it helps us to "stay the course"..... I have NO idea if our little charges have any appreciation of what we do for them or even if it makes a difference that make a comfortable safe sunny area for them at our homes... I need to do it for ME... I can't stand the idea of any creature dying unloved and unattended even IF they themselves don't even know it TO be so... Right this minute I have Jelly on two syringes of Buphenorphine and am hoping that he dies at home so that I don't have to take him someplace unfamiliar in order to save him from further discomfort.... Tonight he began mouth breathing and meowing pathetically after I moved him and it is clear that he is very uncomfortable... He's unstable on his feet...eating and drinking and using the litter box not at all and unless he perks up substantially I'm going to try to help him out of this world tomorrow...... I HATE having to make this decision but... for these last 12 hours he has been a cat without ANY quality of life and the show of discomfort just makes it impossible for me to overlook it and hope for the best any longer...... Hoping for a miracle in the later morning... Keep at it with little mo.... perhaps you will have better fortune.... Bob _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org From ardyr at centurytel.net Thu Apr 13 01:31:29 2017 From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 01:31:29 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Lend Me A Kitten Message-ID: <009201d2b41f$96782dd0$c3688970$@centurytel.net> Due to what our group is going through right now with some of our ailing furbabies, it seems appropriate for this poem that helped me so much when we reached the end with our precious Tigger. the author is unknown. LEND ME A KITTEN.. I will lend you a kitten for awhile, God said. For you to love while he lives, and mourn when he's dead. Maybe for twelve or fourteen years, or maybe two or three. But will you, 'till I call him back, take care of him for me? He'll bring his charms to gladden you, and should his stay be brief You'll always have his memories as solace for your grief. I cannot promise he will stay, since all from earth return. But there are lessons taught below I want this kitten to learn. I've looked the whole world over, in search of teachers true. And from the folks that crowd life's land, I have chosen you. Now will you give him all your love, not think the labor vain? Nor hate me when I come to take my kitten home again? I fancied that I heard them say 'Dear Lord Thy Will Be Done'. For all the joys this kitten brings, the risk of grief we'll run. We'll shelter him with tenderness, we'll love him while we may. And for the happiness we've known, forever grateful stay. But should you call him back, much sooner than we planned, We'll brave the bitter grief that comes, and try to understand. If, by our love we've managed your wishes to achieve, Then in memory of him whom we loved, please help us while we grieve. When our cherished kitten departs this world of strife, Please send yet another needing soul for us to love all his life. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j13w0lson at gmail.com Thu Apr 13 01:52:30 2017 From: j13w0lson at gmail.com (Jennifer Olson) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 01:52:30 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Lovely Message-ID: Ardy, Thanks so much for sharing that poem! Jen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From swacht1946 at comcast.net Thu Apr 13 10:47:14 2017 From: swacht1946 at comcast.net (Sandy) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 15:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Felvtalk] Lend Me A Kitten In-Reply-To: <009201d2b41f$96782dd0$c3688970$@centurytel.net> References: <009201d2b41f$96782dd0$c3688970$@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <1015976970.6907215.1492098434585.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Thank you - and with kitten season in full bloom there will certainly be more to "rescue". Sandy W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ardy Robertson" To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:31:29 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Lend Me A Kitten Due to what our group is going through right now with some of our ailing furbabies, it seems appropriate for this poem that helped me so much when we reached the end with our precious Tigger? the author is unknown. LEND ME A KITTEN?. I will lend you a kitten for awhile, God said. For you to love while he lives, and mourn when he's dead. Maybe for twelve or fourteen years, or maybe two or three. But will you, 'till I call him back, take care of him for me? He'll bring his charms to gladden you, and should his stay be brief You'll always have his memories as solace for your grief. I cannot promise he will stay, since all from earth return. But there are lessons taught below I want this kitten to learn. I've looked the whole world over, in search of teachers true. And from the folks that crowd life's land, I have chosen you. Now will you give him all your love, not think the labor vain? Nor hate me when I come to take my kitten home again? I fancied that I heard them say 'Dear Lord Thy Will Be Done'. For all the joys this kitten brings, the risk of grief we'll run. We'll shelter him with tenderness, we'll love him while we may. And for the happiness we've known, forever grateful stay. But should you call him back, much sooner than we planned, We'll brave the bitter grief that comes, and try to understand. If, by our love we've managed your wishes to achieve, Then in memory of him whom we loved, please help us while we grieve. When our cherished kitten departs this world of strife, Please send yet another needing soul for us to love all his life. _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I really hope Violet never goes through this but at least I'm more educated about it now. Nothing can take fill the void Mo has left in our hearts and home. He was truly one of a kind. Sheri _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From merrykatmeows at email.com Fri Apr 14 20:15:12 2017 From: merrykatmeows at email.com (kat) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 03:15:12 +0200 Subject: [Felvtalk] Goodbye to sweet Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aoakley at oakleylegal.com Fri Apr 14 20:30:14 2017 From: aoakley at oakleylegal.com (Amani Oakley) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 01:30:14 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] Goodbye to sweet Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sheri I am so sorry. I know the heartbreak only too well. When my mother used to ask me why I was so crazy to keep going out there and getting another cat to break my heart, and why I would want to keep going through this, I would reply that if those of us who love them so much aren?t willing to suffer in order to help them, it certainly won?t be those who don?t care, who will take them in. You are one of the good guys. Mo was lucky to have this time with you. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Burbridge Sent: April-14-17 8:37 PM To: Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Goodbye to sweet Mo We had to take Mo in and have him put to sleep tonight. I've never been more sure of a decision in my life. We spent every good moment he had left with him over this week but he was obviously suffering and confused and he was ready. My heart is broken, I'll miss him so very much. He had a heart of gold and more love in his little body than the oceans could hold. I'm so thankful he got to be with us even for a short time. Thank you for the support and information. I really hope Violet never goes through this but at least I'm more educated about it now. Nothing can take fill the void Mo has left in our hearts and home. He was truly one of a kind. Sheri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j13w0lson at gmail.com Fri Apr 14 21:01:30 2017 From: j13w0lson at gmail.com (Jennifer Olson) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 21:01:30 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Sheri <3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mo had The Best- And it was ALL because YOU are who you are. God sent him to you- because without you, Mo wouldn't have been given a shadow of a chance. Your selflessness to give Mo everything & hold back no part of your heart (knowing one day you would likely outlive him) made you his angel- Now Mo is your lil angel, he is HEALTHY, FREE from suffering, looking forward to the day of your reunion- a blink of the eye for him... My prayers are with you as this raw grief slowly heals, Jen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kathstix at gmail.com Fri Apr 14 22:04:24 2017 From: kathstix at gmail.com (Katherine K.) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 23:04:24 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] Goodbye to sweet Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good-by, sweet, brave little Mo. Thanks, Sheri, for giving him the best care and love. May you find some comfort in the memories of your happy times together. On Apr 14, 2017 9:30 PM, "Amani Oakley" wrote: > Sheri I am so sorry. I know the heartbreak only too well. When my mother > used to ask me why I was so crazy to keep going out there and getting > another cat to break my heart, and why I would want to keep going through > this, I would reply that if those of us who love them so much aren?t > willing to suffer in order to help them, it certainly won?t be those who > don?t care, who will take them in. > > > > You are one of the good guys. Mo was lucky to have this time with you. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Sheri Burbridge > *Sent:* April-14-17 8:37 PM > *To:* Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Goodbye to sweet Mo > > > > We had to take Mo in and have him put to sleep tonight. I've never been > more sure of a decision in my life. We spent every good moment he had left > with him over this week but he was obviously suffering and confused and he > was ready. > > > > My heart is broken, I'll miss him so very much. He had a heart of gold and > more love in his little body than the oceans could hold. I'm so thankful he > got to be with us even for a short time. > > > > Thank you for the support and information. I really hope Violet never goes > through this but at least I'm more educated about it now. > > > > Nothing can take fill the void Mo has left in our hearts and home. He was > truly one of a kind. > > > > Sheri > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bchapel at optonline.net Sat Apr 15 07:20:10 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 08:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35670b15.73f00.15b718e697f.Webtop.35@optonline.net> I'm so sorry Sheri... Mo was certainly lucky to have such a fine home for his brief little life...? You looked after him with love from the moment he came home with you until it was time to leave..? We can't give too much more than that.. Bob From bchapel at optonline.net Sat Apr 15 07:20:10 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 08:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35670b15.73f00.15b718e697f.Webtop.35@optonline.net> I'm so sorry Sheri... Mo was certainly lucky to have such a fine home for his brief little life...? You looked after him with love from the moment he came home with you until it was time to leave..? We can't give too much more than that.. Bob From ardyr at centurytel.net Sat Apr 15 10:25:34 2017 From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 10:25:34 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Goodbye to sweet Mo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009201d2b5fc$8818fa10$984aee30$@centurytel.net> So very sorry that Mo had to lose his battle with the awful FeLV??.. but still so happy that he got to know a loving family ? that there was more to life than a shelter, or being alone out in the cold. He had a loving family and he can rest in peace now without pain. He will never be forgotten. There are some kitties (I found this out through having our Tigger) that are always going to be in our hearts, right at the top where we can pull out the memories. Thank you for being Mo?s loving family! 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URL: From rosebudcocopuff at comcast.net Sat Apr 15 12:44:58 2017 From: rosebudcocopuff at comcast.net (rosebudcocopuff) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 13:44:58 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] Goodbye to sweet Mo Message-ID: <6o45txtpclq4yaviao6aya9l.1492278298886@email.android.com> Oh Sheri.....I am so very sorry....I have lost 4 FELV positive babies in the past 6 months. Currently my boy, Clayton is fighting. I KNOW the heartache and emptiness....my very deepest sympathies Powered by Cricket Wireless "Katherine K." wrote: >Good-by, sweet, brave little Mo. > >Thanks, Sheri, for giving him the best care and love. May you find some >comfort in the memories of your happy times together. > >On Apr 14, 2017 9:30 PM, "Amani Oakley" wrote: > >> Sheri I am so sorry. I know the heartbreak only too well. When my mother >> used to ask me why I was so crazy to keep going out there and getting >> another cat to break my heart, and why I would want to keep going through >> this, I would reply that if those of us who love them so much aren?t >> willing to suffer in order to help them, it certainly won?t be those who >> don?t care, who will take them in. >> >> >> >> You are one of the good guys. Mo was lucky to have this time with you. >> >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf >> Of *Sheri Burbridge >> *Sent:* April-14-17 8:37 PM >> *To:* Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Goodbye to sweet Mo >> >> >> >> We had to take Mo in and have him put to sleep tonight. I've never been >> more sure of a decision in my life. We spent every good moment he had left >> with him over this week but he was obviously suffering and confused and he >> was ready. >> >> >> >> My heart is broken, I'll miss him so very much. He had a heart of gold and >> more love in his little body than the oceans could hold. I'm so thankful he >> got to be with us even for a short time. >> >> >> >> Thank you for the support and information. I really hope Violet never goes >> through this but at least I'm more educated about it now. >> >> >> >> Nothing can take fill the void Mo has left in our hearts and home. He was >> truly one of a kind. >> >> >> >> Sheri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It helps to have people understand how hard this is. I hope everyone has a wonderful Easter weekend. Sheri On Sat, Apr 15, 2017, 1:45 PM rosebudcocopuff wrote: > > Oh Sheri.....I am so very sorry....I have lost 4 FELV positive babies in > the past 6 months. Currently my boy, Clayton is fighting. I KNOW the > heartache and emptiness....my very deepest sympathies > Powered by Cricket Wireless > > "Katherine K." wrote: > > Good-by, sweet, brave little Mo. > > Thanks, Sheri, for giving him the best care and love. May you find some > comfort in the memories of your happy times together. > On Apr 14, 2017 9:30 PM, "Amani Oakley" wrote: > >> Sheri I am so sorry. I know the heartbreak only too well. When my mother >> used to ask me why I was so crazy to keep going out there and getting >> another cat to break my heart, and why I would want to keep going through >> this, I would reply that if those of us who love them so much aren?t >> willing to suffer in order to help them, it certainly won?t be those who >> don?t care, who will take them in. >> >> >> >> You are one of the good guys. Mo was lucky to have this time with you. >> >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf >> Of *Sheri Burbridge >> *Sent:* April-14-17 8:37 PM >> > >> *To:* Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Goodbye to sweet Mo >> > >> >> We had to take Mo in and have him put to sleep tonight. I've never been >> more sure of a decision in my life. We spent every good moment he had left >> with him over this week but he was obviously suffering and confused and he >> was ready. >> >> >> >> My heart is broken, I'll miss him so very much. He had a heart of gold >> and more love in his little body than the oceans could hold. I'm so >> thankful he got to be with us even for a short time. >> >> >> >> Thank you for the support and information. I really hope Violet never >> goes through this but at least I'm more educated about it now. >> >> >> >> Nothing can take fill the void Mo has left in our hearts and home. He was >> truly one of a kind. >> >> >> >> Sheri >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You looked after him with love from the moment he came home with you until it was time to leave.. We can't give too much more than that.. Bob _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From berbes55 at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 11:51:56 2017 From: berbes55 at gmail.com (barbe berbes) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:51:56 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] Unsubscribe me please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, dear. May God Bless You All On Apr 16, 2017 6:57 PM, "kat" wrote: > Dear Barbe, > > I understand your position. In order to unsubscribe from this list, > please go to: > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > At the bottom of that page, you can unsubscribe yourself. > > I hope & pray for a healing for you - age should not 'hurt'... > > Kat (Mew Jersey) > > *Sent:* Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 6:19 PM > *From:* "barbe berbes" > *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Unsubscribe me please > I have been trying for over 1 year to unsubscribe from you folks. While I > can appreciate the importance if your site, I no longer have, nor will I > ever, Unfortunately, have a furrbaby in my life. Due to serious illness and > age of my own, I cannot have a cat or any animal to keep company and share > love be with. It hurts my heart so very much to open my email each day to > see posts and concerns from parents. Please just take me off your list. I'm > so sorry > sincerely, Barbara > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sheila.Armstrong-Brown at ssa.gov Wed Apr 19 09:14:52 2017 From: Sheila.Armstrong-Brown at ssa.gov (Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 14:14:52 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] hiccups Message-ID: <20b3cd00f9b34f9ba19acc0dde03caa7@NSC-DAG4-04.ba.ad.ssa.gov> Hello, my Skylar seems to have hiccups movements in his body but not coming out of his mouth. Like his body jumps in the center. His bloodwork was great last time besides the FELV and he isn't due for bloodwork until May. Has anyone seen this type of thing? HOOT Sheila Armstrong-Brown Administrative Aide Psych Pool -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ardyr at centurytel.net Wed Apr 19 21:16:52 2017 From: ardyr at centurytel.net (Ardy Robertson) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 21:16:52 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] hiccups In-Reply-To: <20b3cd00f9b34f9ba19acc0dde03caa7@NSC-DAG4-04.ba.ad.ssa.gov> References: <20b3cd00f9b34f9ba19acc0dde03caa7@NSC-DAG4-04.ba.ad.ssa.gov> Message-ID: <004c01d2b97c$2dbf4a00$893dde00$@centurytel.net> Hi Sheila, Our cat Tigger (who was FeLV+) did that body quiver thing, and usually right after eating. He did it more than our current cat - Topaz - who does not have FeLV. Tigger would then turn around fast and try to bite his side or back, and then he would run, as if running away from it. The vet said he had UTI and we treated him for that - and a second vet said it was UTI but not urinary tract infection, but rather urinary tract inflammation. They did all kinds of tests including taking urine samples with a needle. Topaz also does it but not as often, always after eating. The vet said she must have fleas and sold me some of that stuff you put on the back of their neck. Although they fine tooth combed her and could not find any fleas. I have never seen a flea on her or in the house, and I know what they look like and have had them in the house several years ago, and had to "bomb" the house and dip the cat etc. So---- I never put that chemical stuff on her. I have been trying to get her to drink more water though and she does it less now. She prefers to drink out of the bathroom faucet which I leave running in a tiny stream for her. (I have a fountain but she isn't interested). I'm not convinced that any of the vets I have taken them to are correct so if anyone else has any idea, I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on what this is too. Thanks, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:15 AM To: 'felvtalk at felineleukemia.org' Subject: [Felvtalk] hiccups Hello, my Skylar seems to have hiccups movements in his body but not coming out of his mouth. Like his body jumps in the center. His bloodwork was great last time besides the FELV and he isn't due for bloodwork until May. Has anyone seen this type of thing? HOOT Sheila Armstrong-Brown Administrative Aide Psych Pool -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From merrykatmeows at email.com Thu Apr 20 09:22:13 2017 From: merrykatmeows at email.com (kat) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 16:22:13 +0200 Subject: [Felvtalk] hiccups In-Reply-To: <004c01d2b97c$2dbf4a00$893dde00$@centurytel.net> References: <20b3cd00f9b34f9ba19acc0dde03caa7@NSC-DAG4-04.ba.ad.ssa.gov>, <004c01d2b97c$2dbf4a00$893dde00$@centurytel.net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sheila.Armstrong-Brown at ssa.gov Thu Apr 20 09:30:53 2017 From: Sheila.Armstrong-Brown at ssa.gov (Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:30:53 +0000 Subject: [Felvtalk] hiccups In-Reply-To: References: <20b3cd00f9b34f9ba19acc0dde03caa7@NSC-DAG4-04.ba.ad.ssa.gov>, <004c01d2b97c$2dbf4a00$893dde00$@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <04437d3c24b245b7b50c8cbafe1b2579@NSC-DAG4-04.ba.ad.ssa.gov> My baby does this when he is just lying down and resting. No fleas or anything else. His middle area just jumps like he is having hiccups. It?s been happening over the last month but all else is normal. Eating and drinking and acting normal. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kat Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:22 AM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] hiccups Ardy, Have you looked into Feline Hyperesthesia Syndrome? It looks like the skin 'ripples' and the cat either bites at the spot or tries to run away from it, but there are no fleas present. Here is an article from Cornell vet school: http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/Health_Information/HyperesthesiaSyndrome.cfm Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 10:16 PM From: "Ardy Robertson" > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] hiccups Hi Sheila, Our cat Tigger (who was FeLV+) did that body quiver thing, and usually right after eating. He did it more than our current cat ? Topaz ? who does not have FeLV. Tigger would then turn around fast and try to bite his side or back, and then he would run, as if running away from it. The vet said he had UTI and we treated him for that ? and a second vet said it was UTI but not urinary tract infection, but rather urinary tract inflammation. They did all kinds of tests including taking urine samples with a needle. Topaz also does it but not as often, always after eating. The vet said she must have fleas and sold me some of that stuff you put on the back of their neck. Although they fine tooth combed her and could not find any fleas. I have never seen a flea on her or in the house, and I know what they look like and have had them in the house several years ago, and had to ?bomb? the house and dip the cat etc. So---- I never put that chemical stuff on her. I have been trying to get her to drink more water though and she does it less now. She prefers to drink out of the bathroom faucet which I leave running in a tiny stream for her. (I have a fountain but she isn?t interested). I?m not convinced that any of the vets I have taken them to are correct so if anyone else has any idea, I?d be interested in hearing your opinion on what this is too. Thanks, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:15 AM To: 'felvtalk at felineleukemia.org' > Subject: [Felvtalk] hiccups Hello, my Skylar seems to have hiccups movements in his body but not coming out of his mouth. Like his body jumps in the center. His bloodwork was great last time besides the FELV and he isn?t due for bloodwork until May. Has anyone seen this type of thing? HOOT Sheila Armstrong-Brown Administrative Aide Psych Pool _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kathstix at gmail.com Thu Apr 20 09:33:04 2017 From: kathstix at gmail.com (Katherine K.) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 10:33:04 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] hiccups In-Reply-To: <04437d3c24b245b7b50c8cbafe1b2579@NSC-DAG4-04.ba.ad.ssa.gov> References: <20b3cd00f9b34f9ba19acc0dde03caa7@NSC-DAG4-04.ba.ad.ssa.gov> <004c01d2b97c$2dbf4a00$893dde00$@centurytel.net> <04437d3c24b245b7b50c8cbafe1b2579@NSC-DAG4-04.ba.ad.ssa.gov> Message-ID: YouTube has lots of videos of cats with hyperesthesia. I thought one of my foster cats had it so I watched a bunch of them to get a better idea of the behavior symptoms. Very helpful. On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium < Sheila.Armstrong-Brown at ssa.gov> wrote: > My baby does this when he is just lying down and resting. No fleas or > anything else. His middle area just jumps like he is having hiccups. It?s > been happening over the last month but all else is normal. Eating and > drinking and acting normal. > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *kat > *Sent:* Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:22 AM > > *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] hiccups > > > > Ardy, > > > > Have you looked into Feline Hyperesthesia Syndrome? It looks like the > skin 'ripples' and the cat either bites at the spot or tries to run away > from it, but there are no fleas present. Here is an article from Cornell > vet school: > > http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/Health_Information/ > HyperesthesiaSyndrome.cfm > > > > Kat (Mew Jersey) > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 10:16 PM > *From:* "Ardy Robertson" > *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] hiccups > > Hi Sheila, > > > > Our cat Tigger (who was FeLV+) did that body quiver thing, and usually > right after eating. He did it more than our current cat ? Topaz ? who does > not have FeLV. Tigger would then turn around fast and try to bite his side > or back, and then he would run, as if running away from it. The vet said he > had UTI and we treated him for that ? and a second vet said it was UTI but > not urinary tract infection, but rather urinary tract inflammation. They > did all kinds of tests including taking urine samples with a needle. > > > > Topaz also does it but not as often, always after eating. The vet said she > must have fleas and sold me some of that stuff you put on the back of their > neck. Although they fine tooth combed her and could not find any fleas. I > have never seen a flea on her or in the house, and I know what they look > like and have had them in the house several years ago, and had to ?bomb? > the house and dip the cat etc. So---- I never put that chemical stuff on > her. I have been trying to get her to drink more water though and she does > it less now. She prefers to drink out of the bathroom faucet which I leave > running in a tiny stream for her. (I have a fountain but she isn?t > interested). > > > > I?m not convinced that any of the vets I have taken them to are correct so > if anyone else has any idea, I?d be interested in hearing your opinion on > what this is too. > > Thanks, > > Ardy > > > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org > ] *On Behalf Of *Armstrong-Brown, > Sheila DDS Timonium > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:15 AM > *To:* 'felvtalk at felineleukemia.org' > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] hiccups > > > > Hello, my Skylar seems to have hiccups movements in his body but not > coming out of his mouth. Like his body jumps in the center. His > bloodwork was great last time besides the FELV and he isn?t due for > bloodwork until May. Has anyone seen this type of thing? > > > > > > > > *HOOT* > > Sheila Armstrong-Brown > > Administrative Aide > > Psych Pool > > > > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bchapel at optonline.net Mon Apr 24 05:41:48 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 06:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Nice Sentiment... Message-ID: <6ec55bd8.795d2.15b9f8d99cf.Webtop.47@optonline.net> Hello All: While I know that our group is about cats... lately friends and family have been losing their long time canine companions....?? I cam across the piece below quite by mistake but it moved me enough to pass it along...it applies equally to cats...... Bob C ============================================================== To most, he was ?just? a dog. ?To me, he was so much more than just a best friend, he was an integral part of my life, and my world for over 14 years. ?I was there to see him take his first breath in this world. ?And I was there when he breathed his last, after a long and, I hope, happy life. ?And when he left this world, it was as if a large piece of me was violently torn away. ?Eventually the countless happy memories of the all too brief time I had with him will crowd out the anguish of the last moments we spent. ?For now, I can take only cold comfort in knowing that when it came time to make the call, I did right by him. ?His body was on the verge of a ?cascading system failure?, but it had not yet progressed to the point where it had broken his spirit. ?I had been waiting for him to tell me it was his time for some while, but it was his prognosis that finally sealed it. ?He was not going to get better; he would only get worse. ?Even with surgery ??which at his age was more risk than solution ??his best case was a few months, and those would have been pain ridden. I don?t suppose I?ll ever stop second guessing whether I waited too long or not long enough. ?But in the circumstances keeping him going through heroic measures would have been for?my?benefit, not his. When you bring a dog into your life, you make a bargain. ?Tonka never once failed to deliver on his side of that bargain. ?And as much as it hurt ??and will continue to hurt ??I had to deliver on mine. Goodnight pal, see you on the other side. ?I love you, buddy. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j13w0lson at gmail.com Mon Apr 24 08:45:12 2017 From: j13w0lson at gmail.com (Jennifer Olson) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 08:45:12 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Sentiment Message-ID: Very well said! Jen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bchapel at optonline.net Tue Apr 25 16:14:20 2017 From: bchapel at optonline.net (ROBERT CHAPEL) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 17:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Nicely Stated... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14857fee.7b46b.15ba6f70f7b.Webtop.47@optonline.net> Hi Folks.... Once again I sent something to the list and it has not appeared in my mail...so I have no idea if it made it to the group...... My brother had to put down his buddy ( a border collie) of 14 yrs the other day and I had come across a piece a fellow wrote about losing his own dog after the same amount of time.... though this is about the loss of? a dog it is equally applicable to cats and captures the sentiment just beautifully.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To most, he was ?just? a dog. To me, he was so much more than just a best friend, he was an integral part of my life, and my world for over 14 years. I was there to see him take his first breath in this world. And I was there when he breathed his last, after a long and, I hope, happy life. And when he left this world, it was as if a large piece of me was violently torn away. Eventually the countless happy memories of the all too brief time I had with him will crowd out the anguish of the last moments we spent. For now, I can take only cold comfort in knowing that when it came time to make the call, I did right by him. His body was on the verge of a ?cascading system failure?, but it had not yet progressed to the point where it had broken his spirit. I had been waiting for him to tell me it was his time for some while, but it was his prognosis that finally sealed it. He was not going to get better; he would only get worse. Even with surgery ? which at his age was more risk than solution ? his best case was a few months, and those would have been pain ridden. I don?t suppose I?ll ever stop second guessing whether I waited too long or not long enough. But in the circumstances keeping him going through heroic measures would have been for my benefit, not his. When you bring a dog into your life, you make a bargain. Tonka never once failed to deliver on his side of that bargain. And as much as it hurt ? and will continue to hurt ? I had to deliver on mine. Goodnight pal, see you on the other side. I love you, buddy. From merrykatmeows at email.com Tue Apr 25 18:40:19 2017 From: merrykatmeows at email.com (kat) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 01:40:19 +0200 Subject: [Felvtalk] Nicely Stated... In-Reply-To: <14857fee.7b46b.15ba6f70f7b.Webtop.47@optonline.net> References: , <14857fee.7b46b.15ba6f70f7b.Webtop.47@optonline.net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: