[Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 30
ROBERT CHAPEL
bchapel at optonline.net
Sun Sep 25 20:51:46 CDT 2016
Maria et al: ( please forgive all the blasted question marks that
appear in my responses... I don't put them there they just appear....
I'm going to try NOT using dots to separate thoughts and see if that
helps.
Thank you for taking the time to respond. I am fairly up to date on
natural supplements ( and , honestly, less than impressed with them for
such serious disorders) my Kitties have been on immune enhancers and
other proprietary natural supplements since the day I got them " just in
case" they offer any assistance.... They also get Lysine daily: and I'll
probably add DMG. My biggest concern is his eyes and finding an
alternative to corticosteroids that might be able to stave off a return
of the Uveitis as once it returns I VERY much doubt there are natural
supplements that are going to have the immediate effects he will need(
much less ones that can be administered directly into the eye but. who
knows- it took a couple of weeks to bring it under control initially
with the Prednisolone and even at that it was a judgement call on the
part of myself AND the vet as we both knew the risks of chronic Pred
administration intra-ocularly but that had to be weighed against the
certain loss of the eye if the Uveitis were allowed to continue( also
his intraocular pressure was rising so it was literally just a matter of
time. I'd consider removing the eye if it were not for the fact that he
had it in both eyes and it is nearly certain to come back in the other
eye as well if it returns. and to be perfectly honest.... I'm not
willing to put either him OR myself through that .... the vet recommends
against this severe an operation for him and considering the risks and
the expense for a more than uncertain outcome and a life of near or
total blindness( IF he survives the operation) on TOP of his other ills
now and in the future. It's just not a good life for either of us.
Hoping for miracles still ( or even some good luck for my little guy who
appears to have been born under a bad sign but not banking on them... I
read the posts here from folks whose Kitties have turned up positive
after several years and wish that this kind of time had been gifted to
my little guy.... We have a colony of FeLV cats now at the shelter
where I volunteer and not a one of them have been sick a day since we
got them in beyond the URI's that affected the rest of the shelter cats
.... I'm hoping the youngest two,at least, might test negative post 6
months... absolute prettiest and sweetest cats we have at the
shelter.... they should be in a home where they can be appreciated....
but I digress.... thanks for your thoughts..
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> 2. Re: Eye Problems and Prednisolone.... (Maira Favela)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 17:29:51 -0700
> From: Maira Favela To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone....
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> O.k.. Then, opt for natural, bio degradable cleaning products that
> will do
> the same thing, while keeping your cats safe. ?
>
> On Sep 25, 2016 4:44 PM, "kat" wrote:
>
>> Just a caveat on cleaning - do not use lysol or pine-sol - they
>> contain
>> phenol which can be toxic to cats & birds.
>> Also, stay away from essential oils for cat & birds.
>>
>> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 6:08 PM
>> *From:* "Maira Favela" *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone....
>>
>> Try researching natural suppliments or remedies on line. Also, have
>> you
>> considered seeing a holistic vetnerian? I have not been to one, but i
>> have
>> read and heard about them in the internet. Try also using curcumin
>> and any
>> food/vitamin supplyment that might help with inflamation. Try to keep
>> your
>> home and items clean/sanitary to avoid further infections, even items
>> used
>> for feeding/drinking. Bleach/lysol/ and disinfecting wipe will healp,
>> and
>> they don't need the expensive brand either. Also, try to turn on the
>> shower
>> head on hot water to creat steam, as this help him open up his nasal
>> passages. Try also feeding him good fatty acids and oils, like oil
>> based
>> gel vitamin suppliments-preferably for kittens, even if the cat is an
>> adult. Try also feeding him kitten food and milk, since these have
>> more
>> calories and nutriens than adult food-this might help him gain
>> weight.
>> Also, incorporate more canned food, and water comsumeption. This
>> increase
>> feedings. Hopefully, this might help him gain weight and heal
>> better/sooner. Good luck. And if you have faith, pray, pray for your
>> little
>> fighter! Stay strong. Have hope. ?
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2016 12:06 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm really at my wits end as to how much more to put my little guy (
>>> Yogi) through.... I adopted him 7 months ago and he has had
>>> something
>>> causing him pain at least 5 of them...... I put him on high doses
>>> of
>>> ocular Prednisolone to try to spare his vision after a severe
>>> Uveitis(
>>> bilateral but worse in the right eye) and the Vet said it would
>>> likely have
>>> to be given chronically....VERY unfortunately he developed a huge
>>> corneal
>>> abrasion ( Green dye uptake involved almost his etire eye)... Now
>>> I've
>>> got the poor little guy on atropine and two antibiotics three times
>>> a day
>>> in hopes of keeping the eye from rupturing..... This on top of his
>>> continuing to lose weight despite healthy appetite and still with
>>> some
>>> blood in the stool..... The BIG problem in the moment is that I
>>> really
>>> can't put him back on topical corticosteroids if it is going to do
>>> this to
>>> him..... but.....when I tried to back off them before his Uveitis
>>> returned..... There is a good chance it will return again.....
>>> Has
>>> anyone ever heard of anything that might be used for a cats eye
>>> inflammation that is not a corticosteroid?? I'll be frank....
>>> this
>>> little guy is using up every single dime and then some of my
>>> retirement "
>>> disposable" income and I simply won't be able to afford him pretty
>>> soon if
>>> I don't figure something out..... beyond that... it is just too sad
>>> seeing
>>> him constantly suffering with one malady after another....
>>> Winstrol is
>>> not going to happen unless I go from Vet to Vet and hope I can find
>>> one
>>> that will work with me but.... I honestly don't hold out a lot of
>>> hope for
>>> this guy.... He started getting sick very young and it's not gotten
>>> any
>>> better..... My other guy is holding his own and I haven't had him
>>> to the
>>> vet more than once for an upper respiratory infection..... I'm not
>>> just
>>> going to wait for the little guy to pass..... I'm thinking that if
>>> the
>>> Uveitis returns and there is nothing that will control it besides
>>> corticosteroids I'm going to let him go..... He's just always
>>> hurting....
>>> Hasn't been able to be a kitten for more than a few weeks since I
>>> brought
>>> him home .... Add to this that my quality of life is pretty crappy
>>> at this
>>> point as I can take very little time away from home.... I'd spend
>>> thousands that I don't have if I had any assurance that it would
>>> make a
>>> difference but not just to keep him " functional" until he fades
>>> away while
>>> his life becomes enduring constant medication... being nearly
>>> blind....
>>> sleeping and eating and avoiding the advances of his house mate who
>>> still
>>> wants to play.... His " better" eye does not appear to be very
>>> functional
>>> which leaves him at risk if the other guy decides to jump him.....
>>> I
>>> sometimes separate them when I am out of the house but it appears
>>> that he
>>> prefers being out in the entire house even with the risk of the
>>> other
>>> guy.... Figure for the time he has I'll let him do as he prefers as
>>> long as
>>> it's not too dangerous......
>>> But back to the original question..... any thought or experiences
>>> with
>>> anti Inflammatory medications that can used ocularly that are not
>>> Corticosteroids.......
>>>
>>> thanks for any thoughts..
>>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 01:00 PM,
>>> felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org
>>> wrote:
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>>>> 1. Re: Hodor Declining (Sandy)
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 16:39:49 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> From: Sandy To: Margo , felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining
>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>>
>>>> listen to Amani!! Sandy W ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: "Margo" To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday,
>>>> September
>>>> 25, 2016 6:58:34 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I never had expected the Interferon to cause red cell or hematocrit
>>>> changes. Where can I find information about that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Margo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Amani Oakley Sent: Sep 25, 2016
>>>> 12:25
>>>> AM To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor
>>>> Declining
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My experience was that the interferon did absolutely nothing for my
>>>> Zander. I checked his blood work weekly to track what was
>>>> happening, and
>>>> even though I left him on it for several months (with blood
>>>> transfusions,
>>>> to ensure there was a chance for it to work), there was no effect
>>>> at all on
>>>> the red blood cells or haematocrit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do not wait if you don?t see improvement. My strong suggestion is
>>>> to put
>>>> him back on the doxycycline and try again for some Winstrol.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Amani
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Liz McCarty Sent: September-25-16 12:20 AM To:
>>>> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey... Hodor was pretty steady and eating well, good energy...
>>>> Until
>>>> Wednesday. Since then be seems to not have enough energy to move
>>>> very far.
>>>> Not eating well, or drinking well. One of his eyes started tearing
>>>> occasionally. He still gets excited about treats and a water bottle
>>>> we
>>>> freeze for him that he likes to lick. He has been on interferon for
>>>> 2
>>>> weeks... This past week was his 7 days off. He started back last
>>>> night. Has
>>>> anyone had interferon experience and seen their cats drop on the
>>>> week off?
>>>> Any suggestions? I don't want to lose him. We are also giving him
>>>> prednisone, Pet Tinic and Dmg.
>>>> I don't think the URI cleared before they stopped his
>>>> doxycycline...
>>>> Even though I expressed concern they said stop for now... I want to
>>>> start
>>>> him again....any thoughts? I don't think his immune system needs
>>>> this extra
>>>> stress! He was doing so well when he had the doxycycline.
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> And about essential oils-the purpose of using oils and fats is to give
> them
> to you cat until they gain weight- they are not ment to be used long
> term.
> ?
>
> On Sep 25, 2016 4:44 PM, "kat" wrote:
>
>> Just a caveat on cleaning - do not use lysol or pine-sol - they
>> contain
>> phenol which can be toxic to cats & birds.
>> Also, stay away from essential oils for cat & birds.
>>
>> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 6:08 PM
>> *From:* "Maira Favela" *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone....
>>
>> Try researching natural suppliments or remedies on line. Also, have
>> you
>> considered seeing a holistic vetnerian? I have not been to one, but i
>> have
>> read and heard about them in the internet. Try also using curcumin
>> and any
>> food/vitamin supplyment that might help with inflamation. Try to keep
>> your
>> home and items clean/sanitary to avoid further infections, even items
>> used
>> for feeding/drinking. Bleach/lysol/ and disinfecting wipe will healp,
>> and
>> they don't need the expensive brand either. Also, try to turn on the
>> shower
>> head on hot water to creat steam, as this help him open up his nasal
>> passages. Try also feeding him good fatty acids and oils, like oil
>> based
>> gel vitamin suppliments-preferably for kittens, even if the cat is an
>> adult. Try also feeding him kitten food and milk, since these have
>> more
>> calories and nutriens than adult food-this might help him gain
>> weight.
>> Also, incorporate more canned food, and water comsumeption. This
>> increase
>> feedings. Hopefully, this might help him gain weight and heal
>> better/sooner. Good luck. And if you have faith, pray, pray for your
>> little
>> fighter! Stay strong. Have hope. ?
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2016 12:06 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm really at my wits end as to how much more to put my little guy (
>>> Yogi) through.... I adopted him 7 months ago and he has had
>>> something
>>> causing him pain at least 5 of them...... I put him on high doses
>>> of
>>> ocular Prednisolone to try to spare his vision after a severe
>>> Uveitis(
>>> bilateral but worse in the right eye) and the Vet said it would
>>> likely have
>>> to be given chronically....VERY unfortunately he developed a huge
>>> corneal
>>> abrasion ( Green dye uptake involved almost his etire eye)... Now
>>> I've
>>> got the poor little guy on atropine and two antibiotics three times
>>> a day
>>> in hopes of keeping the eye from rupturing..... This on top of his
>>> continuing to lose weight despite healthy appetite and still with
>>> some
>>> blood in the stool..... The BIG problem in the moment is that I
>>> really
>>> can't put him back on topical corticosteroids if it is going to do
>>> this to
>>> him..... but.....when I tried to back off them before his Uveitis
>>> returned..... There is a good chance it will return again.....
>>> Has
>>> anyone ever heard of anything that might be used for a cats eye
>>> inflammation that is not a corticosteroid?? I'll be frank....
>>> this
>>> little guy is using up every single dime and then some of my
>>> retirement "
>>> disposable" income and I simply won't be able to afford him pretty
>>> soon if
>>> I don't figure something out..... beyond that... it is just too sad
>>> seeing
>>> him constantly suffering with one malady after another....
>>> Winstrol is
>>> not going to happen unless I go from Vet to Vet and hope I can find
>>> one
>>> that will work with me but.... I honestly don't hold out a lot of
>>> hope for
>>> this guy.... He started getting sick very young and it's not gotten
>>> any
>>> better..... My other guy is holding his own and I haven't had him
>>> to the
>>> vet more than once for an upper respiratory infection..... I'm not
>>> just
>>> going to wait for the little guy to pass..... I'm thinking that if
>>> the
>>> Uveitis returns and there is nothing that will control it besides
>>> corticosteroids I'm going to let him go..... He's just always
>>> hurting....
>>> Hasn't been able to be a kitten for more than a few weeks since I
>>> brought
>>> him home .... Add to this that my quality of life is pretty crappy
>>> at this
>>> point as I can take very little time away from home.... I'd spend
>>> thousands that I don't have if I had any assurance that it would
>>> make a
>>> difference but not just to keep him " functional" until he fades
>>> away while
>>> his life becomes enduring constant medication... being nearly
>>> blind....
>>> sleeping and eating and avoiding the advances of his house mate who
>>> still
>>> wants to play.... His " better" eye does not appear to be very
>>> functional
>>> which leaves him at risk if the other guy decides to jump him.....
>>> I
>>> sometimes separate them when I am out of the house but it appears
>>> that he
>>> prefers being out in the entire house even with the risk of the
>>> other
>>> guy.... Figure for the time he has I'll let him do as he prefers as
>>> long as
>>> it's not too dangerous......
>>> But back to the original question..... any thought or experiences
>>> with
>>> anti Inflammatory medications that can used ocularly that are not
>>> Corticosteroids.......
>>>
>>> thanks for any thoughts..
>>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 01:00 PM,
>>> felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to
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>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Re: Hodor Declining (Sandy)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 16:39:49 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> From: Sandy To: Margo , felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>> <1801968575.6383755.1474821589502.JavaMail.zimbra at comcast.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> listen to Amani!! Sandy W ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: "Margo" To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday,
>>>> September
>>>> 25, 2016 6:58:34 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I never had expected the Interferon to cause red cell or hematocrit
>>>> changes. Where can I find information about that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Margo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Amani Oakley Sent: Sep 25, 2016
>>>> 12:25
>>>> AM To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor
>>>> Declining
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My experience was that the interferon did absolutely nothing for my
>>>> Zander. I checked his blood work weekly to track what was
>>>> happening, and
>>>> even though I left him on it for several months (with blood
>>>> transfusions,
>>>> to ensure there was a chance for it to work), there was no effect
>>>> at all on
>>>> the red blood cells or haematocrit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do not wait if you don?t see improvement. My strong suggestion is
>>>> to put
>>>> him back on the doxycycline and try again for some Winstrol.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Amani
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Liz McCarty Sent: September-25-16 12:20 AM To:
>>>> felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey... Hodor was pretty steady and eating well, good energy...
>>>> Until
>>>> Wednesday. Since then be seems to not have enough energy to move
>>>> very far.
>>>> Not eating well, or drinking well. One of his eyes started tearing
>>>> occasionally. He still gets excited about treats and a water bottle
>>>> we
>>>> freeze for him that he likes to lick. He has been on interferon for
>>>> 2
>>>> weeks... This past week was his 7 days off. He started back last
>>>> night. Has
>>>> anyone had interferon experience and seen their cats drop on the
>>>> week off?
>>>> Any suggestions? I don't want to lose him. We are also giving him
>>>> prednisone, Pet Tinic and Dmg.
>>>> I don't think the URI cleared before they stopped his
>>>> doxycycline...
>>>> Even though I expressed concern they said stop for now... I want to
>>>> start
>>>> him again....any thoughts? I don't think his immune system needs
>>>> this extra
>>>> stress! He was doing so well when he had the doxycycline.
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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