[Felvtalk] Wrong Pill??

ROBERT CHAPEL bchapel at optonline.net
Fri Sep 23 04:24:17 CDT 2016 

Sheri.....

It might help to ease your mind ( in the future as well) to familiarize 
yourself with the Pill identifier apps available on the net..... there 
are quite a few of them.... I have used the one at Drugs.com 
successfully in the past but I have no idea if it is the best of the 
bunch or not....  If you google " Pill identification" you will get at 
least 20 hits.....   As prednisone and prednisolone are generic it is 
entirely possible that you got the correct drug but perhaps this batch 
came from a different manufacturer....   for eg.   My generic BP meds 
look different every one or two scripts.... likewise for other drugs I 
have taken more than once....

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 08:33 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org 
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> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:49:43 -0400
> From: Nancy To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and similiars
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> Robert, May I ask what his HCT is?
> ~ Nancy ~
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>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
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>> Yes, Robert, I would think that it makes sense to try to get ahead of 
>> the problem. Just purely on a logical basis, while the bone marrow is 
>> still able to produce red cells, get him started on the Epogen and 
>> see if that helps. I also would again recommend Doxycycline in the 
>> hopes that it would act to keep the viral load down.
>>
>> Amani
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>> Sent: September-20-16 6:53 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and similiars
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>> Amani...
>>
>> I understand your reasoning and have no rebuttal as I had not really 
>> considered this...  As it makes sense to address anemia BEFORE it 
>> becomes life threatening perhaps it would make sense to start Epogen( 
>> or
>> similar) well before all the progenitors are wiped out.... My young 
>> boy Yogi ( who is riddled with FeLV related problems... ) is mildly 
>> anemic and I was , in fact, considering starting the drug before his 
>> numbers drop too substantially......   Very aggravating that my 
>> current Vet appeared willing, initially, to write me  a script for 
>> Winstrol but took back the offer after she spoke to the clinics 
>> director...   Can't afford to keep changing Vets want someone with at 
>> least a " little " investment in my guy and who has a sense of his 
>> history...
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org
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>>> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: 
>>> [Felvtalk] FW:  Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs....
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>>> It's not the same, Robert, and I am not sure it would work. The 
>>> Epogen acts on the kidneys to secrete erythropoietin, which is a 
>>> hormone that tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells.
>>>
>>> The problem, in my opinion, is that the FeLV infiltrates the red 
>>> cell progenitor cells in the bone marrow and either kills them or 
>>> takes them over so that they make viruses, not red cells. My 
>>> hypothesis is that when the red cell production stops, it is because 
>>> all the progenitor cells have been destroyed or taken over the by 
>>> virus. Thus, giving Epogen probably won't be helpful, because the 
>>> cells which normally respond to erythropoietin by creating more red 
>>> cells, can no longer do so because the progenitor cells are damaged 
>>> or dead and can no longer produce red cells.
>>>
>>> Winstrol is known to be good for osteoporosis. My hypothesis is that 
>>> it strengthens the bone marrow by encouraging the growth of new 
>>> cells in the bone marrow. That would explain how red cell production 
>>> gets started back up again with the use of Winstrol.
>>>
>>> With the Epogen, it is causing more erythropoietin to be produced to 
>>> "tell" the progenitor cells to produce red cells, but the progenitor 
>>> cells are either dead or damaged by the virus and can no longer 
>>> respond appropriately to the detection of higher levels of 
>>> erythropoietin. Epogen might work if you start it before the bone 
>>> marrow is really devastated - ie - before you get the big drop in 
>>> red cells and haematocrit.
>>>
>>> Fair warning though: this is all my hypothesis, based on my own 
>>> observations, research and experience.
>>>
>>> Amani
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>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>>> Sent: September-18-16 5:22 AM
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>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs....
>>>
>>> Wondering if anyone in the group has any experience with Epogen or 
>>> Procrit ( and other such RBC enhancing drugs typically used with 
>>> Kidney Failure patients)....?? It's appears to be quite a bit 
>>> cheaper when used for veterinary purposes than human....?? As the go 
>>> to drug for anemia in Kidney patients it would stand to reason that 
>>> it "
>>> should" work for Feline anemia......??? There will not be the same 
>>> resistance to using this as we encounter attempting to procure 
>>> Winstrol......
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> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 20:23:44 -0400
> From: Sherri Godschalk To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Just a quick question 
> about Prednisone
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> Good evening all. I just opened the refill the vet gave me for my FELV 
> + cat
> named Bogey. The pill they gave me is a different shape than the one 
> she ran
> out of last night. The other was a small oblong shaped pill and this 
> one is
> a round scored pill with a V on one side a the numbers 50 94 on the 
> reverse.
> I fear they have given me the wrong prescription here although it says
> Prednisone 5mg on the front. If I could ask?what does the Pred pill 
> look
> like that you are giving your cat? I don?t want to miss a dose but 
> also
> don?t want to give her the wrong med. Thanks in advance.
>
> Sherri and Bogey
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> Subject: [Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about
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> Hi Margo,
> Both the viles are marked Prednisolone so I believe they mismarked 
> this and
> put the wrong pill in there(Prednisone). I didn?t realize that I HAD 
> been
> giving her Prednisolone until right this moment. I am not sure what to 
> do.
> She is due now for the pill but I feel like I should skip this dose 
> and get
> to the vet first thing in the morning to get the other. Do you agree? 
> Will
> it hurt her to miss a dose?
>
> From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Margo
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> Reply-To:  Margo ,
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> Date:  Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 8:26 PM
> To:  Subject:  [Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question 
> about
> Prednisone
>
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> Sorry, it's 5 mg predniSONE.
>
> What you had before was likely predniSOLONE.
>
> Prednisolone s considered by many to be better for cats, because 
> predniSONE
> must be proceesed in the liver before it is the useable form 
> predniSOLONE
>
> Sorry....
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sherri Godschalk
>> Sent: Sep 21, 2016 8:23 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Just a quick question about Prednisone
>>
>> Good evening all. I just opened the refill the vet gave me for my 
>> FELV + cat
>> named Bogey. The pill they gave me is a different shape than the one 
>> she ran
>> out of last night. The other was a small oblong shaped pill and this 
>> one is a
>> round scored pill with a V on one side a the numbers 50 94 on the 
>> reverse. I
>> fear they have given me the wrong prescription here although it says
>> Prednisone 5mg on the front. If I could ask?what does the Pred pill 
>> look like
>> that you are giving your cat? I don?t want to miss a dose but also 
>> don?t want
>> to give her the wrong med. Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Sherri and Bogey
>>
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