[Felvtalk] Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs....
ROBERT CHAPEL
bchapel at optonline.net
Sun Sep 18 04:21:52 CDT 2016
Wondering if anyone in the group has any experience with Epogen or
Procrit ( and other such RBC enhancing drugs typically used with Kidney
Failure patients).... It's appears to be quite a bit cheaper when used
for veterinary purposes than human.... As the go to drug for anemia in
Kidney patients it would stand to reason that it " should" work for
Feline anemia...... There will not be the same resistance to using
this as we encounter attempting to procure Winstrol......
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> 1. Re: Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol (dlgegg at windstream.net)
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> 3. Re: non regenerative anaemia (Anna Summers)
> 4. Re: Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol (dlgegg at windstream.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:32:11 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol
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> Last year I switched vets because mine was always out on a farm call
> and I had to drive over 30 miles to St Louis to an emergency vet.
> This new vet is there when I need her unless it is 2AM, and more
> agreeable about trying new and different things.
>
> ---- Ardy Robertson wrote:
>> That is so frustrating. It would be nice if we could concentrate on
>> getting
>> our fur-babies better, and not have to battle vets who won't
>> cooperate.
>> Doxycycline is a necessary part of the treatment if you ask me :)
>>
>>
>> One of my vets finally gave up and gave me the prescriptions that I
>> wanted
>> for Tigg.
>>
>>
>> Ardy
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Sherri Godschalk
>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:22 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol
>>
>>
>> Amani, I did discuss my fears of stopping the Stanzolol but he told
>> me
>> basically that this is how we were going to do it. I also mentioned
>> the
>> doxycycline. Which I got just a shake of the head. I can't double up
>> Bogeys
>> meds because they only give me so much of it.until our next
>> appointment
>> actually. I'm not comfortable with trying to find another vet because
>> the
>> likelihood of them giving out Stanzolol is a turkey shoot. I feel a
>> little
>> helpless here. Hopefully she will continue to get a little better
>> each time
>> on what he is prescribing for her. Thanks for writing.
>>
>>
>> From: Felvtalk >
>> Reply-To:
>>>
>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 at 12:26 PM
>> To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org "
>>>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol
>>
>>
>> Sorry - I was looking at the wrong thing when I mentioned the
>> lymphocytes. I
>> was actually noticing the MCHC going up (mean cell haemoglobin
>> concentration) which is also a good thing.
>>
>>
>> They lymphocytes have gone up, not down, and emphasizes the need for
>> the
>> doxycycline in my opinion.
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Sherri Godschalk
>> Sent: September-16-16 12:21 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First
>> Month on Stanzolol
>>
>>
>> Well we got good news at the vets office today. Not great but good.
>> Bogey
>> was on Pred and Stanzolol for 14 days. The vet then wanted her off
>> (Stanzolol) for 14 days then back on to cycle her on it. Bogey then
>> went
>> into heat on the 5th off day so I called the vet 4 days into her heat
>> because it seemed to be very hard on her. He had me go right back on
>> the
>> Stanzolol and her heat ended the next day. So what we had was 2 weeks
>> on, 10
>> days off and been back on it now for 7 days. Her are her results from
>> 9/16
>> and the ones from 8/24.
>>
>>
>> 9/16
>> 8/24
>>
>> RBC 2.57
>> 2.43
>>
>> HCT 15.3
>> 15.3
>>
>> HGB 5.5
>> 5.3
>>
>> MCV 59.1
>> 62.6
>>
>> MCH 21.4
>> 21.8
>>
>> MCHC 36.2
>> 34.9
>>
>> RDW 23.7
>> 23.9
>>
>> RETIC 78.1
>> 61.5
>>
>> WBC 14.47
>> 13.46
>>
>> NEU 4.07
>> 4.03
>>
>> LYM 8.83
>> 7.75
>>
>> MONO 1.52
>> 1.58
>>
>> EOS .004
>> .010
>>
>> BASO .010
>> .000
>>
>> PLT 88
>> 50
>>
>>
>> She did not have a fever today and had gained almost .75 of a pound
>> since
>> 8/1. She is still playing some, eating and drinking well. But still
>> is
>> wobbly and sleeps quite a bit. She is holding her own on this drug
>> combo and
>> the vet was very happy especially with the PLT, which I need to read
>> about
>> again. We are keeping her on it for 30 days this next cycle and
>> rechecking
>> then. (Although I will probably take her in before that because I am
>> a
>> worrier)
>>
>>
>> Just thought I would post this for other FELV+ owners incase you were
>> doubting this drug (Stanzolol) because of the potential of damage
>> later in
>> life. Remember we must get them to "later in life" first.
>>
>> Thank you all and best wishes.
>>
>>
>> Sherri
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:35:28 -0500
> From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Mail
> Message-ID: <20160916223528.7GR0Q.9769.root at pamxwww10-z01>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> No matter the caue of their death, we miss them. Sometimes I think I
> see those who have gone on and call to them, but of corse, they are
> not there. It is like with my mother and father, I start to tell them
> about an incident in my day and realize that I no longer can tell
> them. My chirppractor told me to write a journal about each day. It
> does seem to help.
>
>
> ---- Ardy Robertson wrote:
>> To Marsha,
>> I'm so sorry that you lost Brock. It just happens to be the same day
>> I lost
>> my Tigger... April 29th. What an awful day. I miss him so much, as I
>> am sure
>> you miss Brock along with the other two before him. I now have a
>> little girl
>> - Topaz and she is negative and vaccinated. I hate FeLV and hope they
>> can
>> cure it someday.
>> Ardy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Marsha
>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 2:28 AM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Mail
>>
>> I lost my final FeLV+ boy on April 29 of this year. Milkdud was my
>> first FeLV+ cat, who arrived in the fall of 2009. Harley came a year
>> later.
>> Then Brock became Harley's companion after Milkdud died. Brock
>> wasn't
>> lonely after Harley died last year, as Harley had been after Milkdud
>> passed,
>> so I didn't look for a companion for Brock. Cancer took all 3,
>> though
>> Harley had a life-threatening URI 2 months before he got cancer, and
>> Brock
>> had a heart condition that usually claims feline lives within 3
>> months, yet
>> he happily survived a year with it.
>>
>> Missing my sweet, sweet boys,
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>> On 9/14/2016 6:17 PM, Lorrie wrote:
>>> I've not had any mail from the group in about a month.
>>> I hope this means you and your kitties are all doing well.
>>> However I wonder if I've been dumped by the automatic system that
>>> claims I have bounced mail, which I do NOT.
>>>
>>> Lorrie
>>
>>
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> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 11:27:23 +0200
> From: Anna Summers To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] non regenerative anaemia
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> from the people in this group they have seen winstol help - try it ?.
> it might help her ? I lost my girl last year , I asked the vet to get
> me winstol but by the time they found out about it , it was too late
> for mine. Its such a horrible virus ? hopefully one day there will be
> more treatments ,sending lots of purrs from us in Spain .
>> On 16 Sep 2016, at 19:33, dlgegg at windstream.net wrote:
>>
>> I have no experience with this as I have had no need for it, but
>> others have had very good luck. I will add you both to my prayer
>> list
>> ---- Lorelli wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> My cat Sherpa is 18months old and Felv+. 10 days ago she was
>>> diagnosed with
>>> severe non regenerative anaemia. Haemocrit 12.7%. She has been
>>> trying
>>> hard, eating well and even hunting moths but went downhill 2 days
>>> ago. I was
>>> all set to euthanase her today when I stumbled across the comments
>>> on
>>> Winstrol. My vet was willing to try something similar as she
>>> couldn't get
>>> Winstrol in the UK. She injected her with Laurabolin today.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Did the Winstrol help cats with non regenerative anaemia? Are there
>>> any
>>> helpful articles on it out there?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also how long should I give it before I decide if it is working or
>>> not? I
>>> don't want to prolong her suffering.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> She is still alert and trying to live but off her food now. Vet has
>>> given
>>> her Mirtazapine that may help that. She is also on Veraflox for
>>> suspected
>>> mycoplasma infection and Loxicom for fever.
>>>
>>> Any advice out there please?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lorelli
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol
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> Dose Doxycydine have a long shelf life? It would be nice to get some
> ahead of time so you could start treatment right away. This would
> require cooperation from a vet, maybe online who could prescribe it
> for you and give instructions on how to administer it. It is not hard
> to learn giving shots or iv's if necesseray. Treating at home is less
> stressful and they have you for comfort, their own toys, beds, etc.
>
>
> ---- Ardy Robertson wrote:
>> That is so frustrating. It would be nice if we could concentrate on
>> getting
>> our fur-babies better, and not have to battle vets who won't
>> cooperate.
>> Doxycycline is a necessary part of the treatment if you ask me :)
>>
>>
>> One of my vets finally gave up and gave me the prescriptions that I
>> wanted
>> for Tigg.
>>
>>
>> Ardy
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Sherri Godschalk
>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:22 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol
>>
>>
>> Amani, I did discuss my fears of stopping the Stanzolol but he told
>> me
>> basically that this is how we were going to do it. I also mentioned
>> the
>> doxycycline. Which I got just a shake of the head. I can't double up
>> Bogeys
>> meds because they only give me so much of it.until our next
>> appointment
>> actually. I'm not comfortable with trying to find another vet because
>> the
>> likelihood of them giving out Stanzolol is a turkey shoot. I feel a
>> little
>> helpless here. Hopefully she will continue to get a little better
>> each time
>> on what he is prescribing for her. Thanks for writing.
>>
>>
>> From: Felvtalk >
>> Reply-To:
>>>
>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 at 12:26 PM
>> To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org "
>>>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol
>>
>>
>> Sorry - I was looking at the wrong thing when I mentioned the
>> lymphocytes. I
>> was actually noticing the MCHC going up (mean cell haemoglobin
>> concentration) which is also a good thing.
>>
>>
>> They lymphocytes have gone up, not down, and emphasizes the need for
>> the
>> doxycycline in my opinion.
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Sherri Godschalk
>> Sent: September-16-16 12:21 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First
>> Month on Stanzolol
>>
>>
>> Well we got good news at the vets office today. Not great but good.
>> Bogey
>> was on Pred and Stanzolol for 14 days. The vet then wanted her off
>> (Stanzolol) for 14 days then back on to cycle her on it. Bogey then
>> went
>> into heat on the 5th off day so I called the vet 4 days into her heat
>> because it seemed to be very hard on her. He had me go right back on
>> the
>> Stanzolol and her heat ended the next day. So what we had was 2 weeks
>> on, 10
>> days off and been back on it now for 7 days. Her are her results from
>> 9/16
>> and the ones from 8/24.
>>
>>
>> 9/16
>> 8/24
>>
>> RBC 2.57
>> 2.43
>>
>> HCT 15.3
>> 15.3
>>
>> HGB 5.5
>> 5.3
>>
>> MCV 59.1
>> 62.6
>>
>> MCH 21.4
>> 21.8
>>
>> MCHC 36.2
>> 34.9
>>
>> RDW 23.7
>> 23.9
>>
>> RETIC 78.1
>> 61.5
>>
>> WBC 14.47
>> 13.46
>>
>> NEU 4.07
>> 4.03
>>
>> LYM 8.83
>> 7.75
>>
>> MONO 1.52
>> 1.58
>>
>> EOS .004
>> .010
>>
>> BASO .010
>> .000
>>
>> PLT 88
>> 50
>>
>>
>> She did not have a fever today and had gained almost .75 of a pound
>> since
>> 8/1. She is still playing some, eating and drinking well. But still
>> is
>> wobbly and sleeps quite a bit. She is holding her own on this drug
>> combo and
>> the vet was very happy especially with the PLT, which I need to read
>> about
>> again. We are keeping her on it for 30 days this next cycle and
>> rechecking
>> then. (Although I will probably take her in before that because I am
>> a
>> worrier)
>>
>>
>> Just thought I would post this for other FELV+ owners incase you were
>> doubting this drug (Stanzolol) because of the potential of damage
>> later in
>> life. Remember we must get them to "later in life" first.
>>
>> Thank you all and best wishes.
>>
>>
>> Sherri
>>
>> _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list
>> Felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
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