[Felvtalk] Long Relationships with Vets....

dlgegg at windstream.net dlgegg at windstream.net
Sat Oct 8 16:34:13 CDT 2016


He is telling you that you have been on the computer tooo long.  Eye dr. says no more than 20 minutes, get up and come back to it.  He is just following dr's orders.  Sounds like Annie.  She decides at 8:30 it is time to go to bed and persists in telling me until I give in and go to bed.


---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
> Much like having the same MD for yourself for years it is really nice to 
have a long term relationship with a vet who might know ALL of your pets 
medical history and...having developed a relationship with you and the 
pet may have even a bit more of an investment in us.....  I really miss 
not having that having just once again started in with pets again after 
a hiatus of 6 years or so after losing my wonderful pooch.....  I had 
the same vet for years back then and he since went out of 
business......  A friend of mine in a town I used to live in has 
maintained a relationship with her vet for 30+ years and it really paid 
off during the last months of her little dogs life where he ALWAYS made 
time for her do that she didn't sit with worry for days......  This vet 
is actually rather partial to cats( which my friend also has) but like 
most vets has a varied small animal practice....He's 90 years old and 
has been practicing since the days when you had only your stethoscope 
and some good sense with which to make a Dx...... It's going to be very 
difficult for my friend when he retires of dies.....Knowing you can 
depend on your vet to take both your animals and YOUR welfare into 
consideration is so reassuring.... not having to second guess ( which is 
ALL I am doing these days with my vet{s} saves a LOT of time.....  I'll 
end this note prior to finishing all my thought because my Healthy FeLV 
cat ( Magellin_ has decided it is NOW time for the Glasses Ritual....at 
least once a day he decides that my glasses ( which I need to see the 
computer) NEED to be removed from my face and HE is the guy to do 
it......  Grabs them with his paws and pulls or if this fails.....gets 
his teeth around the frame and pulls....  it's an irriation of course 
but SO damn cute I just HAVE to let him do it...
I don't know how many of us there are on this listserve but I hope 
people with let all know the vets they are happy with if others on the 
list are looking for a vet in a specific area of the country...

Bob
Warwick NY


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> That is what I said, they have a resonable chance of wining the case 
> or they would not pursue it.  There is something that tells them it is 
> worthwhile.  They will not sue if there is not a reasonable 
> expectation of winning
>
>
> ---- Amani Oakley  wrote:
>> I would be happy to give an inside look at the life of a lawyer, 
>> since few people have any idea what we do or how we do it.
>>
>> I feel the need to explain that, first, it is not true that every 
>> medication is the basis of a lawsuit. Second,  no lawyer would ever 
>> bring such litigation forward without some very very solid evidence 
>> of problems with the medicine because - and I don?t think you are 
>> seeing this - IT IS THE LAWYER WHO HAS TO PAY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS 
>> OF HIS/HER OWN MONEY to fund the litigation. Would YOU bet $100,000 
>> or $200,000 or $500,000 of your own money (NOT counting thousands and 
>> thousands of hours of unpaid work), if you weren?t convinced there 
>> was sufficient and strong enough evidence to win a case? These cases 
>> run for a minimum of 5-7 years, so would you pour in hours and hours 
>> of unpaid time, PLUS hundreds of thousands of dollars of your own 
>> money, on something with no basis in fact???
>>
>> I seriously doubt it. I also don?t know of any other profession where 
>> you are expected to put such significant sums of your own money and 
>> your own unpaid time on the line, for the sake of a client's case, 
>> and to run the case for years and years - unpaid - for the chance to 
>> perhaps win in court. The court battle is always tilted in favour of 
>> the big guys (corporate entities, doctors' professional protection 
>> associations, insurance companies). They have unlimited resources, 
>> teams of lawyers, etc., etc. My firm is just me and my husband.
>>
>> In medical malpractice actions in Canada, I can tell you that the 
>> statistics are that for every 10 medical malpractice actions that 
>> actually make it into the court room (many are dismissed on 
>> technicalities), NINE are decided in favour of the doctors. Moreover, 
>> in Canada, the doctors don?t pay ANYTHING for their defence - it is 
>> covered by government rebates to the physicians for 85% of their 
>> insurance premiums. And the news is even worse than that. For the one 
>> in ten cases that are actually won by an injured patient, the doctor 
>> will invariably appeal and most of the cases where a patient wins, 
>> are reversed on appeal anyway, so the patient who is successful in 
>> trial almost always loses at appeal.
>>
>> ALL OF THAT MONEY, to fund the litigation, hire the necessary 
>> experts, bring the required motions to court, etc., is underwritten 
>> by the medical malpractice lawyer.
>>
>> Your enemy is NOT the trial lawyer. You have been fed a bill of goods 
>> by insurance companies. Look into it in any detail and you will see 
>> what I mean.
>>
>> Now, may I please ask everyone to please leave my current profession 
>> out of this. I am happy to share my information and experience with 
>> everyone, and believe I have been quite generous in doing so. What 
>> started all this was a suggestion that the reason my vets give me 
>> Winstrol is because they are scared of me as a lawyer. I do not 
>> believe that to be true, and you should ask yourself if you are 
>> paying attention to my suggestions because I am a lawyer. Since I am 
>> pretty sure that is not the reason, then I would ask that you 
>> recognize that my vets also have been good enough to listen to me 
>> because I am quite up-to-speed on science and medicine, and can 
>> interpret blood work like nobody's business. Additionally, I think 
>> Margo's observation is bang on: if vets were afraid I would sue them, 
>> they would never ever try something "off-label" or experimental with 
>> me. As Margo suggested, anyone afraid of litigation will do 
>> everything "by the book". Moreover, as I have pointed out, I ha
>  ve developed my relationship with my vets for literally decades, and 
> well before I became a lawyer. I frankly think they are far more 
> impressed with my ability to speak with them at the same level when it 
> comes to medical issues, then they are scared of me turning around and 
> suing them. I do not have a relationship of fear with my vets.
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dlgegg at windstream.net [mailto:dlgegg at windstream.net]
>> Sent: October-06-16 10:01 AM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Cc: Amani Oakley
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10
>>
>> Just klook at the ads on tv.  every medication that comes on the 
>> market is now being sued.  Someone asked me why?  Lawyers who do 
>> these things smell a handsome profit and snese that there is abasis 
>> for these suits
>>
>>
>> ---- Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>> You are correct Margo. No vet would consider experimenting if he 
>>> thought his client might blame him later for things going wrong. But 
>>> again, that presumes that a whole lot of people seriously 
>>> misunderstand the realities of litigation and have bought the 
>>> insurance companies' spin that there are all these crazy people who 
>>> will sue at the drop of a hat. Sadly, that is probably true.
>>>
>>> Amani
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Margo
>>> Sent: October-05-16 6:21 AM
>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10
>>>
>>>
>>> Funny, my thought was that a Vet would be LESS likely to try 
>>> anything even slightly out of the norm with a potentially litigious 
>>> client. That they would go strictly "by the book" in order to be 
>>> able to defend what they did, should here be a problem.
>>>
>>> But then, there are Vets and there are VETS. "My" Vet has her last 
>>> day at the practice Friday for maternity leave, and won't be back 
>>> until January. I have no idea what I'll do. She says she'll be 
>>> available by phone and email, but I have my doubts. Although I DO 
>>> think she'll be bored ;)
>>>
>>> Margo
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Oct 4, 2016 9:03 PM
>>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10
>>>>
>>>> Amani...
>>>> I don't know how things work in Canada but I KNOW that were I a 
>>>> lawyer I would get more cooperation from my vet....? As Vets begin 
>>>> to charge more and more and?large corporations begin to?buy up 
>>>> small practices here in the states the model is now?moving toward 
>>>> the downside of human medicine.... discrete scheduling time periods 
>>>> to maximize profits...
>>>> little time to " discuss" options and an aversion to moving on to 
>>>> topics that could cause spending extra time.....? As prices rise so 
>>>> do owner resentments at not being " cared about" or listened to 
>>>> just as in human medicine..... and that( at least in the US) is 
>>>> when lawsuits are most likely to be filed.... Most of us can 
>>>> forgive a vet making a mistake when we feel he/she has put real 
>>>> thought and concern into a Tx plan but putting our pets at risk 
>>>> because an alteration in plan causes him to have to step outside 
>>>> his comfort zone( and spend some extra time
>>>> thinking) or simply doesn't appear to care.. That doesn't fly when 
>>>> we are paying Hundreds of dollars to save our precious pets..
>>>> Malpractice lawyer pet owners ( or patients in human medicine) are 
>>>> likely surreptitiously treated with great care when moving through 
>>>> waters fraught with potential for terminal errors..... and likely 
>>>> get a bit more cooperation from their vets...?? I am glad for your 
>>>> cats that you ARE in the profession that you now are...
>>>> So... it is , in my opinion, both good fortune and a dose of 
>>>> deferential caution that gets you the kind of cooperation you get 
>>>> from your vet?????? Yeah.... I'm pretty jaded at this point? : ) 
>>>> That is why I HAD to retire a bit early....
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>
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