[Felvtalk] FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

[dlgegg at windstream.net]

With some vets we have to get aggressive for the sake of our babies.  Either that or change vets.  My problem is that being in a small town, we don't have may vets to choose from.  My current vet seems more agreeable than the last one plus she is not always out on a farm call when I need her.


---- Ardy Robertson <ardyr at centurytel.net> wrote: 
> Hi Sherri - when you go in again why don't you just ask the vet to humor you
> and let you try doxycycline just so that you can feel like you tried
> everything for Bogey. Maybe he will give in if you keep asking. When I
> changed vets during Tigger's treatment I told them flat out that I was going
> to be a steady customer for a while and I wanted all 4 of the vets to be
> aware of Tigger's condition and to please give me what I needed. I told them
> that Amani was helping me and basically that I wanted to call the shots and
> they were okay with it (to my surprise). I am normally a very mild-mannered
> person but when it came to my Tigger Baby's life, I was bold!!  Thank you
> again Amani - we almost succeeded with Tigger, and if I had gotten the
> Winstrol sooner I think we would have :)
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> Ardy
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> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Sherri Godschalk
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 6:54 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol
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> Oh my gosh Amani! What an incredible story. The chances that he could
> survive from where he was. I cannot imagine the joy you felt when you saw
> his gums were pink. What a long road for the both of you. Says so much about
> you. So your vet knew of the treatment but was afraid of it. Hopefully the
> next FELV cat they saw in their office, they remembered the success that you
> experienced and prescribed accordingly. How lucky that you had the knowledge
> you did, the confidence to respectfully challenge the ones telling you there
> was no hope. Zander was one lucky kitty.
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> I can't say that I don't worry about the side effects of the drugs Bogey is
> taking. But I understand that he has to survive THIS first. I am not so sure
> that my vet has anything against using Doxycicline as much as he just
> doesn't see a need for it yet. What test was run on Zander to check the
> liver enzymes you mentioned?
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> Getting the message out about this drug and it's positive response in FELV
> anemic cats is something I truly hope happens. When my vet gave me this pill
> for Bogey, I had no idea what it was. He told me it was a steroid that body
> builders take. I ran home, gave the cat the pill, sat down at my computer
> and Googled "Felv Stanzolol" and this site came up. I have written a bit
> about my experience thus far here, and on a Facebook page for FIV and FELV
> cats. But it makes me feel bad for the people that read it and get hopeful,
> go to their vets and get the "doesn't help", "bad for livers" or just "No".
> I know it is very early in Bogey's treatment and she may not continue to get
> better with just what she is taking. But I am glad for every moment that I
> have with her. I hope I have hundreds and thousands more.
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> Thanks for sharing the story about Zander. Amazing.
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> From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org
> <mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org> > on behalf of Amani Oakley
> <aoakley at oakleylegal.com <mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com> >
> Reply-To: <felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
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> Date: Friday, September 30, 2016 at 6:11 PM
> To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> "
> <felvtalk at felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org> >
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol
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> Yes, Sherri. There's no question this is a frustrating, devastating disease,
> made far far worse by vets lacking in knowledge, and committed to just
> putting down FeLV cats. Sherri, Zander's haematocrit was actually down to 5
> initially, and he had to be placed in an oxygen tent because his haemoglobin
> was so low his body would have had trouble transporting oxygen to the cells
> in his body. I gave him blood transfusions initially, but could see that
> they were only temporary stopgaps, and after the second one, he had a
> reaction, so I was told he couldn't have any more transfusions, as the next
> one would kill him. As a former medical technologist, I knew that to be
> true. (In Canada, they didn't test for blood type at the time - don't know
> if they do now.)
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> After trying Zander on a course of Interferon and a course of LTCI (or
> whatever it is called - I always mix up the letters), I totally by chance,
> opened up my drawer and rummaged through it in desperation because his
> haematocrit had dropped from a high of 16 after his second blood
> transfusion, back down to 10, and I knew I was going to lose him soon. He
> was on Doxycycline and Prednisone, but it wasn't doing a thing for his cell
> lines, which were all depressed - with the most critical being the red
> cells/haematocrit numbers. Imagine my total surprise when, after I gave him
> some old Winstrol I found in the drawer, I started noticing his ears and
> gums taking on a pink hue and when I tested him 3 days after starting the
> Winstrol, the haematocrit had gone up instead of steadily down.
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> My surprise grew, and finally overcame my skepticism (I mean, really, what
> are the odds that I discovered a cure???) and Zander's results kept slowly
> but steadily rising for months and months until he was finally out of danger
> and then into the normal reference range for all his results.
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> Then, after a year, when I told the internal specialist who had very kindly
> told me there was no hope with this disease, imagine my shock that he KNEW
> about Winstrol and said that I had gone "old-school" and this has been
> something they used to use for this disease until "word" spread that the
> drug could cause liver damage!
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> Frankly, after reading about all the experiences of so many people in this
> situation, I realize how lucky I am. Because of my background in health
> care, my very long relationship with my vet clinic (which I would often
> diagnose things before them and/or I would identify problems they hadn't
> seen) AND very likely, my prickly personality/refusal to take no for an
> answer, my vets were good enough to back off and let me do my thing. They
> recognized that, OBVIOUSLY, they had nothing to offer me if the Winstrol
> didn't work. They faithfully tried the Interferon and the LTCI at my
> request, and ran the weekly bloodwork, and agreed that there were no
> positive effects. They saw the positive effects with the WInstrol. They
> tried on a few occasions to talk me into discontinuing or reducing the
> Winstrol when the liver enzymes increased, but after what Zander had been
> through - being on the brink of death - I was not open to discussing this
> option. On a few occasions I would reduce the Winstrol briefly, only to see
> his haematology drop. I would then hold my breath for a few days or weeks,
> to let the liver enzymes settle a bit, before getting him back on the
> WInstrol. However, I don't think any of the vets were prepared to argue with
> the obvious success. They had seen the unbelievably low haematocrit and red
> cell count, for themselves.
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> I just don't know how we can get this message across to mainstream vets.
> This is NOT an evil drug which must be avoided at all costs. I wish I could
> address a vet convention. If I had LITTLE TIME, I would write a paper and
> submit it for publication in a vet publication. 
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> I get angered when I hear about all the trouble everyone has, getting some
> Winstrol for their cats, despite the desperate circumstances the cats are
> in.
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> Sherri, the odd thing for you is that your vet is okay with the Winstrol but
> not the Doxycycline. Really bizarre! 
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> No wonder underground markets flourish. It just shouldn't be this hard to be
> at least given an opportunity and a bit of hope to save our cats.
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> Amani
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