[Felvtalk] FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

[Ardy Robertson]

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Ardy


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Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 5:18 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

JUST TO LET EVERYONE KNOW I AM WATCHING, JUST GOT HOME FROM HOSPITAL
---- Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Yes, Sherri. There's no question this is a frustrating, devastating
disease, made far far worse by vets lacking in knowledge, and committed to
just putting down FeLV cats. Sherri, Zander's haematocrit was actually down
to 5 initially, and he had to be placed in an oxygen tent because his
haemoglobin was so low his body would have had trouble transporting oxygen
to the cells in his body. I gave him blood transfusions initially, but could
see that they were only temporary stopgaps, and after the second one, he had
a reaction, so I was told he couldn't have any more transfusions, as the
next one would kill him. As a former medical technologist, I knew that to be
true. (In Canada, they didn't test for blood type at the time - don't know
if they do now.)
> 
> After trying Zander on a course of Interferon and a course of LTCI (or
whatever it is called - I always mix up the letters), I totally by chance,
opened up my drawer and rummaged through it in desperation because his
haematocrit had dropped from a high of 16 after his second blood
transfusion, back down to 10, and I knew I was going to lose him soon. He
was on Doxycycline and Prednisone, but it wasn't doing a thing for his cell
lines, which were all depressed - with the most critical being the red
cells/haematocrit numbers. Imagine my total surprise when, after I gave him
some old Winstrol I found in the drawer, I started noticing his ears and
gums taking on a pink hue and when I tested him 3 days after starting the
Winstrol, the haematocrit had gone up instead of steadily down.
> 
> My surprise grew, and finally overcame my skepticism (I mean, really, what
are the odds that I discovered a cure???) and Zander's results kept slowly
but steadily rising for months and months until he was finally out of danger
and then into the normal reference range for all his results.
> 
> Then, after a year, when I told the internal specialist who had very
kindly told me there was no hope with this disease, imagine my shock that he
KNEW about Winstrol and said that I had gone "old-school" and this has been
something they used to use for this disease until "word" spread that the
drug could cause liver damage!
> 
> Frankly, after reading about all the experiences of so many people in this
situation, I realize how lucky I am. Because of my background in health
care, my very long relationship with my vet clinic (which I would often
diagnose things before them and/or I would identify problems they hadn't
seen) AND very likely, my prickly personality/refusal to take no for an
answer, my vets were good enough to back off and let me do my thing. They
recognized that, OBVIOUSLY, they had nothing to offer me if the Winstrol
didn't work. They faithfully tried the Interferon and the LTCI at my
request, and ran the weekly bloodwork, and agreed that there were no
positive effects. They saw the positive effects with the WInstrol. They
tried on a few occasions to talk me into discontinuing or reducing the
Winstrol when the liver enzymes increased, but after what Zander had been
through - being on the brink of death - I was not open to discussing this
option. On a few occasions I would reduce the Wi
 nstrol briefly, only to see his haematology drop. I would then hold my
breath for a few days or weeks, to let the liver enzymes settle a bit,
before getting him back on the WInstrol. However, I don't think any of the
vets were prepared to argue with the obvious success. They had seen the
unbelievably low haematocrit and red cell count, for themselves.
> 
> I just don't know how we can get this message across to mainstream vets.
This is NOT an evil drug which must be avoided at all costs. I wish I could
address a vet convention. If I had LITTLE TIME, I would write a paper and
submit it for publication in a vet publication.
> 
> I get angered when I hear about all the trouble everyone has, getting some
Winstrol for their cats, despite the desperate circumstances the cats are
in.
> 
> Sherri, the odd thing for you is that your vet is okay with the Winstrol
but not the Doxycycline. Really bizarre!
> 
> No wonder underground markets flourish. It just shouldn't be this hard to
be at least given an opportunity and a bit of hope to save our cats.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
> Sent: September-30-16 5:53 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol
> 
> Thanks Amani.
> 
> I called the vets office right after I read what you wrote below and asked
again for the Doxycycline and he insisted she did not need it. I am just
going to have to hope that Bogey continues to get better on the regiment we
are on. I feel very thankful for my vet that he prescribing the Winstrol. I
hope it is enough.
> 
> Your boy Zander must have been one strong cat to recover from how sick he
was. It sounds like you really monitored him and gave him the best
treatment. Your advise and knowledge of this awful disease and the benefits
and pitfalls of trying to treat it is invaluable to all of us who are caring
for these lovely creatures.
> 
> I read this messaging board and feel so bad that cat owners who
desperately need this drug cannot get it. I believe without a doubt that as
fast as Bogey's counts were dropping, she would probably not still be with
me today without it. I am sure the stigma attached to it keeps a lot of vets
from prescribing it or maybe they are just uneducated about it. My other vet
wouldn't even discuss a transfusion as she was certain that nothing could
help us for very long. She was quite intent on me putting this cat down and
just wanted to wash her hands of us it seemed. So the stigma isn't just
about this treatment, it is around the disease itself. Her statement "There
are plenty of other healthy cats that need good homes" is proof enough of
that.
> 
> How frustrating for all of us.
> 
> Thank you again for your insight.
> 
> From: Felvtalk
<felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.
org>> on behalf of Amani Oakley
<aoakley at oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoakley at oakleylegal.com>>
> Reply-To:
<felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>>
> Date: Friday, September 30, 2016 at 2:29 PM
> To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>"
<felvtalk at felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>>
> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol
> 
> Hi Sherri
> 
> Keep up with the bloodwork. Good for you. Because I did Zander's bloodwork
weekly, I was able to watch his counts very carefully as well, and this is
why I am so firm on what I saw that worked and what I saw that didn't work.
Keeping a close eye on the bloodwork will help you immediately point to the
effects of the medication, and I am sure that the stall you got on the
improvement of the bloodwork is solely because he removed her off the
Winstrol. I saw this drop or stagnation every time I even tried to wean
Zander down from 2 mg a day to 1 mg a day, for the first 10 months, but I
was starting at much worse blood results than you were. Zander's haematocrit
was 10 when I started the Winstrol.
> 
> Interesting about your vet's background. That may well explain his
openness to using Winstrol where so many others refuse. Those in athletics
are well aware of the amazing body building, muscle building, strength
building properties of Winstrol, and the fact that the rumoured side-effects
are very very exaggerated - probably to try and scare off athletes from
using the stuff. Once you use it, you find out it really doesn't have all
those terrible side effects, and it makes a real difference to improving
body strength. That is why I have come to the conclusion that, very sadly,
we are being denied access to Winstrol, not because it doesn't work or
because it has bad side effects, but because in the media it is BAD to take
steroids if you are an athlete. Why that should affect cats, or elderly
people with osteoporosis for that matter, is way way beyond me and very
frustrating.
> 
> With respect to the platelets, my concern remains that the low platelet
count and the high lymphocyte count show that the virus is still actively
attacking cells. My theory is that while the Winstrol is working to build up
bone marrow and allow it to regenerate the lost red cells, the virus is
still attacking. That is why I believe that the Winstrol on its own will not
be enough, and you need to double-team the virus with the Doxycycline on the
one side, interfering with the ability of the virus to reproduce and the
Winstrol on the other hand, working to repair some of the damage caused by
the virus.
> 
> I don't think there is anything that directly will give you a boost on the
platelets, and my concern is that when the platelets drop so low, you have a
real risk of internal bleeding. I don't know what else to suggest.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
> Sent: September-30-16 2:11 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol
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