[Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65

Margo toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net
Fri May 20 05:28:55 CDT 2016


My "Go To" to get meds in a cat involve a high back upholstered chair, or a screen door. The goal is to "hang" the cat by his/her front feet. Hold the cat up to the door at shoulder hieght so that they attach their front claws. Move to the right side of the cat (if you're right-handed). Let them sink until the legs are extended and the cat's head is at a good level for you (don't let the get their back legs under them). Let go of the cat, use your left hand to  tilt the head back and open the mouth, and the right to hold down the lower jaw and either administer the liquid across the tongue, or get the pill way down the throat. 

It sounds more complicated than it is. Try it when you're NOT trying to medicate, and you may find it could  be helpful. I have had cats that the harder you try, the harder they fight, and the tighter they clench their teeth. This is basically non-restraint, and it's confusing enough to catch them off guard. It also keeps those claws occupied...

HTH

Margo



-----Original Message-----
>From: Ardy Robertson <ardyr at centurytel.net>
>Sent: May 20, 2016 12:18 AM
>To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65
>
>Hi Bob - if you are ever in a situation where you really need to administer something to your cat and don't want to lose all your skin, just use a heavy bath towel folded in half and wrap it around the cat while he/she is sitting on a chair. Put it around him like he is in the barber chair - then use an office clip or clothespin behind his head to hold it together. The towel is usually so heavy and hard to deal with they just sit still and it's much easier to give the dropper of stuff. However they do learn to avoid the chair etc. Just an idea to try.
>Ardy
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 1:06 PM
>To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65
>
>Ardy et al:
>
>Typical of vets...  I went to a new one who was very pleasant and made no suggestion of putting my guy down( suggesting euthanasia is NOT typical of vets around my parts...at least no one that I would go to since I ask a LOT of people before I go)   My guy ( Yogi's) Blood work is normal at this point but this was via a phone message and I want a copy of the values....      One thing I HAVE noticed ,even about the "nice" vets who don't immediately suggest euthanasia is that they do NOT encourage experimenting with supplements and meds that might extend lifespan.....   This vet, while pleasant suggested I not treat any of his current ills and just " love him and feed him well until his time comes" ( though did suggest mirtazapine to stimulate his appetite ( he's not a good eater)... She said he " looked good" as yet.....    BTW...  I am retired and on a VERY limited income so I have to be quite careful as to the money I spend....  I had not budgeted for pets when I retired... 
>didn't really expect that I would have any more after my dog died but volunteering at the shelter I simply didn't feel right that all these animals had no homes and here _I_ was WITH a home and not offering it to a needy animal...  Without going into detail , my own life expectancy is not all that long and I wanted to adopt an animal that would not outlive me.... These guys most likely will not but that does not mean that I want them NOT to have a chance at a long life....So... I am taking whatever steps I can to keep them healthy.... I just WISH they would eat wet food or even HUMAN food!!   I have NEVER had a cat ( and I've had quite a few throughout my life) that turned their nose up at table food....Heck..they would kill each other for who got the dropped piece of chicken!!.... These guys lose interest in ANYTHING I give them ( except when they think they are getting away with something : )   So now I "accidently" drop food on the floor quite a bit and they eat it up....B
> UT... they will not eat it if I add ANY form of supplement....so....  I've got to grab them a couple to three times a day and administer everything via dropper and slosh the enisyl ( Lysine) across their mouths and paws....   They are easy to give eye drops to and I can get very small pills into them without losing all the skin on my hands and forearms but it's getting weary having to _ catch_ them now that I am the _ medicine_ guy to them ( if they were more food hounds I would have a lot more positive creds as the fellow who feeds them but they are just cats who eat to live...don't even go crazy for treats.... makes things a bit more of a challenge.... but... like all of you... I adore them and will see to it that they get what they need... Again...SO appreciative of this listserv... best info around!!
>
>Bob
>
>
>On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:42 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 22:41:59 -0500
>> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
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>> Bob,
>> After having just gone through this with my Tigger, I wholeheartedly 
>> agree with the treatment options Amani is outlining. And better to get 
>> started very very soon!
>> Ardy
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Amani Oakley
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 7:51 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>
>> Hi Bob
>>
>> As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I 
>> can only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with 
>> rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is 
>> mostly just saline but it usually contains very small amounts of 
>> disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is safe to put 
>> into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the contact lens 
>> solution multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to soothe the 
>> eye and address some infections. You can alternate this with the 
>> antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided.
>>
>> If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is 
>> low and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may 
>> help reduce any inflammation and that may help.
>>
>> Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk 
>> of sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the 
>> Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results 
>> are not all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte 
>> count to be done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find 
>> is regenerative or non-regenerative.
>>
>> At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes 
>> with viral reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the 
>> advancement of the FeLV virus.
>>
>> Amani
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>> Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>
>>
>> I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
>> threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...
>> Are any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, 
>> are you administering it Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the 
>> pushback from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the 
>> fact that it is one of the more popular anabolics used by body 
>> builders and athletes....??
>>
>> Also...... anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ 
>> Kitties ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus
>> infection)....   I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 
>> months) from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea 
>> of their living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure)..   I bit 
>> off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since 
>> the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily 
>> and playing mightily despite a chronic URI....  Last week he developed 
>> some cloudiness in his  L eye lenses and what appear to be burst 
>> capillaries....  The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this 
>> particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might 
>> be inclined.... the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance 
>> companies I contacted).... that vet offered little in the way of 
>> DX...just said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed 
>> Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment wi  th Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily 
>> ( running 103.2 temp).....  Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked 
>> at my guy and I am going to have to take him elsewhere on my own dime 
>> again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on the shelters 
>> dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to 
>> detailed explanations and even then
>> very little as they get a very discounted rate)....   This is my first 
>> experience with FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously....   I am 
>> not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive 
>> unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them...   I'm already 
>> providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT 
>> more love and attention than they ever would have known.....
>> Still.... his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell if it is 
>> causing him pain......    Making an appt. to have blood work done to 
>> get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets.... Gums appear to still 
>> be red and his paw pads have not  gotten lighter so I am hopeful that 
>> he is not severely anemic.... But have NO idea what might have caused 
>> the blood in his eye.....  also there is some clear discharge which I
>> wipe away several times during the day.......     Any thoughts 
>> welcome...
>>
>> Bob
>> Warwick NY
>>
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>>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 10:55:23 -0500
>>> From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
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>>> GOOD VET!
>>>
>>> ---- Rachel Dagner  wrote:
>>>> When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg 
>>>> and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he 
>>>> didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots she me 
>>>> if I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go outside 
>>>> too.
>>>> We tested him first and it came back positive :(. She told me he 
>>>> could live three months or a long normal life there was just no 
>>>> telling. She never even said the word euthanize.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM,   wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or 
>>>> keep Annie, treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door 
>>>> and never returned if he only had one solution.  Find another vet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---- Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help 
>>>>> people, especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV.
>>>>> Suddenly you are told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you 
>>>>> are being told there are no options other than euthanasia. My vets 
>>>>> even wanted me to go home and get my other two cats and bring them 
>>>>> in that day for euthanizing!  I said ?no?!  If there was a website 
>>>>> that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV crises, that 
>>>>> would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and while I 
>>>>> was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets 
>>>>> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, 
>>>>> valuable time was slipping away and Tigg?s blood counts were taking 
>>>>> a dive.
>>>>> They didn?t really explain anything about the blood test results. 
>>>>> I basically had to learn everything from reading online.  For 
>>>>> instance I did not know that stress can bring on a crisis.  We had 
>>>>> brought a stray into our house, and she was running up behi
>>>  nd Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that was high.  I 
>>> also learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus spreads to 
>>> other cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of age 
>>> because their immune system can usually defend them from it.  That is 
>>> also how I found this group online.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn 
>>>>> the bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to 
>>>>> take a chance on it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a 
>>>>> way to get Winstrol, also known as Stanozolol.  I found a source in 
>>>>> Canada, but they were not able to ship into the US.  I live in 
>>>>> Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US.  Again, as a 
>>>>> novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any 
>>>>> meaningful decisions. I happen to be computer-literate so I was 
>>>>> able to do the searching for ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder 
>>>>> to think what a loving cat owner who just doesn?t happen to be able 
>>>>> to find things online easily, would do! So the need for information 
>>>>> is critical??both for cat owners, and eventually to change the 
>>>>> minds of the veterinary community! I hope one day, they will 
>>>>> actually SUGGEST it to cat parents.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share 
>>>>> Tigger?s treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even 
>>>>> though we eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional 
>>>>> time with him ? and it was good quality time with him feeling very 
>>>>> good, and playful most of the time. I also feel he may have pulled 
>>>>> through this particular crisis if I had started this treatment 
>>>>> regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I could be wrong, 
>>>>> but I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the cat, 
>>>>> waiting for some period of stress in the cat?s life, and then it 
>>>>> pops up and attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get 
>>>>> the cat through that particular crisis, then I think it sometimes 
>>>>> backs off again, possibly for very long periods, especially if the 
>>>>> cat?s stress levels can be kept low.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ardy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Rachel Dagner
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM
>>>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a 
>>>>> face to a name! Can we post pictures when we send messages?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you 
>>>>> believe in and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes 
>>>>> all of the hours worth it. That and you love kitties and help 
>>>>> people on here with theirs when you have so little time tells me 
>>>>> you are a wonderful person with a huge heart and a beautiful soul.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for 
>>>>> information instead of having to start over completely with a new 
>>>>> person. I know there are places where you can do free websites. I 
>>>>> have no idea how to do one.  But I am good at researching and 
>>>>> figuring things out, so it's something we could look at.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley  > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Rachel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working 
>>>>> until about 4:30 a.m. That?s one thing about working for myself 
>>>>> (with just my husband as my partner). There is only this single 
>>>>> perk I have and that is that I don?t get up early since I generally 
>>>>> work all night.
>>>>> I figure since I?m the boss, I don?t have to justify my hours to 
>>>>> anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to court for motions or 
>>>>> trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the world, but 
>>>>> frankly, when I am in court, I generally don?t go to bed at all.
>>>>> Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of 
>>>>> Medical Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I 
>>>>> hated having to do midnight shifts. Now, it?s not a ?shift?. I?m 
>>>>> just up ALL night and work all day TOO.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me 
>>>>> when it comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect 
>>>>> the information about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us 
>>>>> to collect credible objective scientific information if we are 
>>>>> going to convince the vets to stop their ridiculous crusade against 
>>>>> Winstrol.
>>>>> At worst, the drug may end up not being very effective in a 
>>>>> particular case, but it isn?t a demon drug to be avoided at all 
>>>>> costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol sooner 
>>>>> would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking, 
>>>>> that when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad shape, 
>>>>> all else has failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a lot 
>>>>> of faith in Winstrol, but I know full well it doesn?t always work.
>>>>> However, I have used it and gotten amazing results in circumstances 
>>>>> where the vets have told me that there is nothing they have to 
>>>>> offer, and nothing will work. So why not try the Winstrol? I
>>>   simply don?t get the reluctance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep 
>>>>> track of anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they 
>>>>> obtained it. Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that 
>>>>> information when I ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a fed, 
>>>>> posing as a cat-lover to trap unwary online folks, looking to save 
>>>>> their babies. And I wouldn?t want to expose my vet to criticism 
>>>>> from colleagues. I think she is less of a skeptic than most, 
>>>>> because I let her know what I have seen, but she came in mid-way 
>>>>> during my ordeal with Zander. She wasn?t the first vet who 
>>>>> diagnosed him and she never saw how bad he was because by then, I 
>>>>> was at the ER clinic. However, she allowed me to try various 
>>>>> medications regimes, and allowed me to take the weekly blood work 
>>>>> while I assessed the different treatment modalities to determine 
>>>>> what was working and what wasn?t. She saw Zander improve and was 
>>>>> extremely impressed, but you know, once he recovered from what was 
>>>>> deemed to be a
>>>  death sentence, and after there was some daylight between the crisis 
>>> and his current excellent condition, vets started to suggest to me 
>>> that maybe it wasn?t FeLV after all. REALLY frustrating. There is no 
>>> way to convince someone who insists on not being convinced ? even 
>>> with weekly lab results in hand and before and after lab results.
>>> Anyway, all that to say that if push comes to shove, I think my vet 
>>> believes that the Winstrol saved Zander, but if confronted by other 
>>> vets, I am sure she would temper her comments so she doesn?t appear 
>>> foolish and out of step to them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ardy was generous with her information about where she was able to 
>>>>> obtain the Winstrol and shared it with everyone, and it seems to me 
>>>>> that this may be the most promising route. The trouble isn?t 
>>>>> getting the Winstrol once you have a prescription ? the problem is 
>>>>> getting that prescription from your vet. Once you have that, you 
>>>>> can order the medication online from a compounding pharmacy and 
>>>>> Ardy let us know about the one she used which shipped to her from 
>>>>> another state.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think each of us who wants to try out the Winstrol, needs to have 
>>>>> a talk with our vets, and explain to them that they are providing 
>>>>> little in the way of options except euthanasia, and a trial of 
>>>>> Winstrol is inexpensive and certainly not painful to the cat, so 
>>>>> rather than simply putting the cat down, why not trying the 
>>>>> Winstrol. Tell them that you understand the risk of liver damage, 
>>>>> and again, given the alternative, you accept and recognize that 
>>>>> risk but it is your understanding that while the liver enzymes 
>>>>> often rise with the use of Winstrol, there is no evidence or 
>>>>> scientific trials linking the use of Winstrol to any lasting liver 
>>>>> damage. In the end, you are in charge. Of course the vet can refuse 
>>>>> to provide the Winstrol and can decide he/she doesn?t want you for 
>>>>> a client, so remain calm and not belligerent if you want to avoid 
>>>>> that outcome. I would like to think that most vets, when faced with 
>>>>> a logical, measured decision to try a specific course of treatment, 
>>>>> would a
>>>  ssist even if you don?t have their full support on the chosen 
>>> treatment.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that once we have some helpful vet names, these also can be 
>>>>> shared so people know where they can go where they will get the 
>>>>> support they need for their FeLV cats. If anyone is situated near 
>>>>> Toronto, Ontario, Canada, I am happy to provide them with my vet?s 
>>>>> name and location. She is very kind, really cares about my cats, 
>>>>> and respects my input very much, so we get along just fine. I have 
>>>>> moved away from where the clinic is located and now have to travel 
>>>>> close to an hour to take my cats there, but I just feel up to going 
>>>>> through the same battle with another vet right now, so I?ll stick 
>>>>> to the ones who have known me for decades and respect my decisions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember too that I used a number of medications with the Winstrol. 
>>>>> I used prednisone, Winstrol, metoclopramide (Zander seemed to have 
>>>>> problems passing stool for a while and research online shows that 
>>>>> FeLV affects the intestinal walls as well ? metoclopramide was VERY 
>>>>> helpful to get the stool moving regularly and I believe without the 
>>>>> stool sitting still in one area of the intestinal tract, it took 
>>>>> away the environment which encouraged the intestinal walls to be 
>>>>> attacked and become inflamed), and Doxycycline. When I was trying 
>>>>> help Ardy with Tigger, her vet wanted Tigger on Convenia and so as 
>>>>> to ?pick our battles?, I told Ardy to accept the Convenia instead 
>>>>> of the Doxycyclne and we would play it by ear. I knew of course 
>>>>> that antibiotics don?t kill viruses, and I couldn?t remember why 
>>>>> Doxycycline was so important. I figured I had used it for covering 
>>>>> for potential secondary infections. However, after seeing some 
>>>>> blasts showing up on the blood work, I reconsidered and rememb
>>>  ered that Doxycycline actually works to block RNA synthesis, which 
>>> is how the virus reproduces, so while the Winstrol was working to 
>>> restore progenitor cells in the bone marrow to get new blood cells 
>>> produced, the Doxycycline was blocking the virus from continuing to 
>>> reproduce unchecked.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And Rachel ? I am not ?that? kind of a lawyer, so I can?t defend 
>>>>> you from a drug charge, but I do have contacts across the U.S., so 
>>>>> I promise to get you help should you end up in trouble because of 
>>>>> my preaching about Winstrol:). I am a medical malpractice lawyer - 
>>>>> Google me ? I figured I would put my scientific and medical 
>>>>> knowledge to good use when I left the medical field behind.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> See ? not all lawyers are bad!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Amani
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Rachel Dagner
>>>>> Sent: May-14-16 7:48 AM
>>>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org  Subject: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts 
>>>>> for Winstrol
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good Morning Amani,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people 
>>>>> to get their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So 
>>>>> I was thinking that maybe since you are the go to person for those 
>>>>> of us looking to go this route, you could start a file of those who 
>>>>> have tried it along with blood test results and notes or letters 
>>>>> from vets, along with places we find that make Winstrol. You could 
>>>>> then send the file to people to take with them to their vets. The 
>>>>> more vets that try it and see results the more likely they are to 
>>>>> try it again and share their experience with other vets.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug 
>>>>> dealer, and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could 
>>>>> write a book about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Option one sounds a little more promising though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rachel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> rg
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>>> RE:  stool, I give my guys about 1/4 teaspoon coconut oil every day. 
>>> They ask for it.  I don't have as much problem with hairballs since 
>>> we started this.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>>> Olivia
>>>>
>>>> It is a slow process. Once you get a bit of food into Kokonuts, she 
>>>> will hopefully start feeling better. Keep feeding her small amounts 
>>>> at multiple times of the day, if you can. Ask the vet to give her 
>>>> subcutaneous fluids or to show you how to do it at home (t is pretty 
>>>> easy). She is probably dehydrated as well as not eating well. Good 
>>>> for you to get the Pedialyte into her - that is exactly what she 
>>>> needs - electrolytes - but with subcutaneous fluids, there is a much 
>>>> faster uptake of the fluids, body-wide, then if it is given orally.
>>>> See if her stool is coming out regularly. If not, consider asking 
>>>> the vet for Metoclopromide. As I mentioned in another post, FeLV 
>>>> often negatively impacts the intestinal tract and causes the stool 
>>>> to slow down. The Metoclopromide helps to empty the stomach and 
>>>> increases peristaltic action which moves the stool along and this 
>>>> makes the cat feel a bit better after a meal.
>>>>
>>>> I strongly suggest the Winstrol if nothing else but to increase 
>>>> appetite and feeling better. That boost alone will go miles to 
>>>> helping your cat fight this battle.
>>>>
>>>> Amani
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of . .
>>>> Sent: May-15-16 12:46 PM
>>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+
>>>>
>>>> How long has anyone ever syringe fed a cat . How long will it take a 
>>>> cat to feel better weeks ,months? Please share thanks Sent from my 
>>>> iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On May 15, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Rachel Dagner  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Olivia,
>>>>> So sorry your baby isn't feeling good. Syringe feeding in very 
>>>>> important are you using the ad hills food? I know it's hard to get 
>>>>> a lot of food in and this is high calorie. When I was syringe 
>>>>> feeding Tucker I took him to get fluids under the skin a couple of 
>>>>> times and my vet only charges $14 to do it. My thoughts are that 
>>>>> vets treat the symptoms but sometimes forget that we also need to 
>>>>> treat the underlying problems. Which in our case is felv which 
>>>>> causes a poor immune system.  I would say find something to boost 
>>>>> the immune system as well. Since you are syringing you can just add 
>>>>> supplements right to the food. I syringe Tucker a tiny bit of food 
>>>>> twice everyday mixed with his supplements. My suggestion would be 
>>>>> if cost is an issue to try something like Life Gold immunity. It 
>>>>> equals out to about $10 a month, if you have deeper pockets I would 
>>>>> do Vitality Science Advanced Immune Support, both of these 
>>>>> companies offer a ninety day money back guarantee. You can do some 
>>>>> research on products look and the ingredients and find something 
>>>>> you feel comfortable with. I would give supplements not only while 
>>>>> sick but as a maintenance to keep my kitties immune system strong, 
>>>>> and fighting. I hope kokonut feels better soon and starts eating on 
>>>>> her own. Keep us posted!
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM,   wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---- Miss Olivia Valencia  wrote:
>>>>>>> My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other day, 
>>>>>>> she had a fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her 
>>>>>>> metacam,doxycycline & depo medrol Her fever has come down a 
>>>>>>> little. But she hasn't been eating & just been laying in the same 
>>>>>>> spot for the last couple of days. My sister has been syringe 
>>>>>>> feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some pedialyte. Any 
>>>>>>> other recommendations-For food & staying hydrating?  frown 
>>>>>>> emoticon has anybody else experienced this? whats to be expected?
>>>>>>
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>>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 11:15:20 -0500
>>> From: To: Amy , felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
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>>> AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GET PEOPLE TO NEUTER AND SPAY, THEN THERE 
>>> WOULD BE NO STRAYS.
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>>> ---- Amy  wrote:
>>>> Lorrie,
>>>> That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a 
>>>> no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to 
>>>> find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the 
>>>> groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my 
>>>> home. We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk 
>>>> positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full 
>>>> with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able 
>>>> to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk 
>>>> pos?
>>>> We always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 
>>>> days and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they 
>>>> aren't going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we have 
>>>> taken in have converted after some time. We are always looking for 
>>>> more options on the rare occasion we do get one in that remains 
>>>> positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks for 
>>>> helping these kitties!!!!
>>>> Let me know!Thanks Amy
>>>>
>>>>       From: Lorrie  To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org  Sent: Sunday, 
>>>> May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
>>>>  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ? ? Lorrie,
>>>>>
>>>>> ? ? Do you have pictures?? I would love to see what you've done!
>>>>>
>>>>> ? ? Kat (Mew Jersey)
>>>>
>>>> Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot 
>>>> next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a 
>>>> big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group, 
>>>> but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you 
>>>> just see a two story brick building not the inside.
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>> It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't 
>>>> get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>> My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.? Downstairs are 5 
>>>> rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or 
>>>> isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large 
>>>> kitchen, full bathroom and a half bath.? The cats have access to 
>>>> every room and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils 
>>>> them rotten.
>>>> They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
>>>> There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look 
>>>> outside.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and 
>>>> upstairs rooms.? The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young 
>>>> cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
>>>> Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat 
>>>> beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the 
>>>> walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room.
>>>>
>>>> Lorrie
>>>>
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