[Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 56

[dlgegg at windstream.net]

If all of us combined hav done something to help you and your cat, that is all that is needed

---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
> I'm still not entirely sure how best to follow this digest format...  I 
want to thank everyone for their fine and helpful advice..... I've 
gotten more useful information from a week of following this listserve 
than in the couple of months I've been researching FeLV on the 
Web....    I apologize for not specifying help from specific people in 
specific emails but Jane, Dagmar, Amani..thank you!!.. You've given me a 
variety of things to look into....

Kind Regards,
Bob



On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:42 AM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org 
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>    1. tigger (Jane Gannon)
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> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 21:21:30 -0700
> From: "Jane Gannon" To: Subject: [Felvtalk] tigger
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> Hi Ardy.
>
> I have not been on line lately and I was very sad to hear that Tigger 
> has gone to cat heaven.  He sounded like a really cool cat, lots of 
> personality and mischevious.  I love those kind, they always keep you 
> smiling.  You did your best to help him.  I had 12 cats diagnosed 
> positive about a year and a half ago and since that time I have lost 
> 7.  Two just died in April, one had FIP and the other just layed down 
> and died. Both were unexpected, I only saw signs something was off for 
> about a week.  I have 2 more that started problems last week.  One is 
> 16 and had a seizure, was blind for a day, and now is not eating well. 
> She also has a heart condition.  I am waiting to see what happens. 
> The other one is not eating much and is not herself.  I just had her 
> to the vet 2 weeks ago for blood work and it was not too bad.  We 
> talked about putting her and my other 5 year old on Winstrol and I am 
> waiting for the vet to get back to me with his plan.  My 13 year old 
> positive has a heart m
>  urmur and we are thinking of not putting him on Winstrol because it 
> says to use with caution in cats with heart conditions.  His blood 
> work is not too bad either although he has gotten thin even though his 
> appetite is good.  And my other positive also has FIV and is starting 
> to have UTI's but is fat and seems ok at this time.  If winstrol 
> increases appetites, that would not be good for him.  I did not do 
> blood work on him yet and am not planning to put him on Winstrol at 
> this time.
> I bought a childrens book titled Cat Heaven that I read every time I 
> loose a cat and it makes me feel a little bit better.  Makes me smile 
> and cry. I do belive animals go to heaven and Pope Francis says they 
> do.  I need to believe this.
> Jane
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> From: "Jane Gannon" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
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> It is possible he has uveitis which is inflamation of the eye.  It is 
> very serious and painful, can cause blindness, and is treated with eye 
> ointment with steroids.  Research it on line, you can find pictures. 
> The eyeball can even become swollen and bulge.  It can have a brownish 
> spot on it. Cloudiness is probably an eye ulcer. I have had 2 
> positives that have had this and it will clear up with treatment  but 
> it can come back.  They were put on metacam for the pain and also for 
> the inflamation along with an ointment containing cortisone.  It is 
> serious.   Follow instructions for how often to do the ointment.
>
> Jane
> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:13 
> PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>
>> Recently, I have been putting coconut oil on a swab and jut dabbing 
>> it in the corner of my eye when it itches.  My cats eat it all the 
>> time so it shouldn't hurt to put a small amount in your cats eye. 
>> would oothe it.
>> ---- Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>> Hi Bob
>>>
>>> As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I 
>>> can only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results 
>>> with rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The 
>>> solution is mostly just saline but it usually contains very small 
>>> amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is 
>>> safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the 
>>> contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often 
>>> helps to soothe the eye and address some infections. You can 
>>> alternate this with the antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided.
>>>
>>> If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count 
>>> is low and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye 
>>> cream may help reduce any inflammation and that may help.
>>>
>>> Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk 
>>> of sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try 
>>> the Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the 
>>> results are not all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a 
>>> reticulocyte count to be done, which will help determine if any 
>>> anemia you may find is regenerative or non-regenerative.
>>>
>>> At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes 
>>> with viral reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the 
>>> advancement of the FeLV virus.
>>>
>>> Amani
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>>> Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM
>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
>>> threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... 
>>> Are any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, 
>>> are you administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the 
>>> pushback from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the 
>>> fact that it is one of the more popular anabolics used by body 
>>> builders and athletes....??
>>>
>>> Also...... anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ 
>>> Kitties ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes 
>>> Virus infection).... I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 
>>> months) from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea 
>>> of their living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit 
>>> off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well 
>>> since the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was eating 
>>> Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic URI.... Last week he 
>>> developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and what appear to be 
>>> burst capillaries.... The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for 
>>> this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as 
>>> I might be inclined.... the cats are uninsurable by all the pet 
>>> insurance companies I contacted).... that vet offered little in the 
>>> way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and 
>>> prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and 
>>> Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp)..... Frankly I think the guy 
>>> hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him 
>>> elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( 
>>> if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only 
>>> the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very 
>>> little as they get a very discounted rate).... This is my first 
>>> experience with FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously.... I am 
>>> not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive 
>>> unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them... I'm already 
>>> providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT 
>>> more love and attention than they ever would have known..... 
>>> Still.... his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell if it is 
>>> causing him pain...... Making an appt. to have blood work done to 
>>> get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets.... Gums appear to 
>>> still be red and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am 
>>> hopeful that he is not severely anemic.... But have NO idea what 
>>> might have caused the blood in his eye..... also there is some clear 
>>> discharge which I wipe away several times during the day....... Any 
>>> thoughts welcome...
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> Warwick NY
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 01:00 PM, 
>>> felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org
>>> wrote:
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>>>>    1. Re: Amani thoughts for Winstrol (dlgegg at windstream.net)
>>>>    2. Re: Kokonut Felv+ (dlgegg at windstream.net)
>>>>    3. Re: Cat Sanctuary (dlgegg at windstream.net)
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 10:55:23 -0500
>>>> From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
>>>> Message-ID: <20160516115523.U40WC.1807.root at pamxwww03-z01>
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>>>> GOOD VET!
>>>>
>>>> ---- Rachel Dagner  wrote:
>>>>> When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his 
>>>>> leg
>>>>> and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he
>>>>> didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots she me 
>>>>> if
>>>>> I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go outside 
>>>>> too.
>>>>> We tested him first and it came back positive :(. She told me he
>>>>> could live three months or a long normal life there was just no
>>>>> telling. She never even said the word euthanize.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM,   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or
>>>>> keep Annie, treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door 
>>>>> and
>>>>> never returned if he only had one solution.  Find another vet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---- Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help
>>>>>> people, especially people like me who had no experience with 
>>>>>> FeLV.
>>>>>> Suddenly you are told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you
>>>>>> are being told there are no options other than euthanasia. My 
>>>>>> vets
>>>>>> even wanted me to go home and get my other two cats and bring 
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> in that day for euthanizing!  I said ?no?!  If there was a 
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV crises, that
>>>>>> would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and while 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets
>>>>>> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, 
>>>>>> valuable
>>>>>> time was slipping away and Tigg?s blood counts were taking a 
>>>>>> dive.
>>>>>> They didn?t really explain anything about the blood test results. 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> basically had to learn everything from reading online.  For 
>>>>>> instance
>>>>>> I did not know that stress can bring on a crisis.  We had brought 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> stray into our house, and she was running up behi
>>>>  nd Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that was high.  I 
>>>> also
>>>> learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus spreads to 
>>>> other
>>>> cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of age 
>>>> because
>>>> their immune system can usually defend them from it.  That is also 
>>>> how
>>>> I found this group online.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to 
>>>>>> take
>>>>>> a chance on it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> get Winstrol, also known as Stanozolol.  I found a source in 
>>>>>> Canada,
>>>>>> but they were not able to ship into the US.  I live in Wisconsin, 
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> I had to find a source in the US.  Again, as a novice, I did not
>>>>>> have the information I needed to make any meaningful decisions. I
>>>>>> happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do the searching 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a loving cat
>>>>>> owner who just doesn?t happen to be able to find things online
>>>>>> easily, would do! So the need for information is critical??both 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> cat owners, and eventually to change the minds of the veterinary
>>>>>> community! I hope one day, they will actually SUGGEST it to cat
>>>>>> parents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share
>>>>>> Tigger?s treatment details, along with his blood test results. 
>>>>>> Even
>>>>>> though we eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional
>>>>>> time with him ? and it was good quality time with him feeling 
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> good, and playful most of the time. I also feel he may have 
>>>>>> pulled
>>>>>> through this particular crisis if I had started this treatment
>>>>>> regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I could be wrong, 
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the cat, waiting
>>>>>> for some period of stress in the cat?s life, and then it pops up 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat 
>>>>>> through
>>>>>> that particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off 
>>>>>> again,
>>>>>> possibly for very long periods, especially if the cat?s stress
>>>>>> levels can be kept low.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ardy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Rachel Dagner
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM
>>>>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a
>>>>>> face to a name! Can we post pictures when we send messages?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you
>>>>>> believe in and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably 
>>>>>> makes
>>>>>> all of the hours worth it. That and you love kitties and help 
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> on here with theirs when you have so little time tells me you are 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> wonderful person with a huge heart and a beautiful soul.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for
>>>>>> information instead of having to start over completely with a new
>>>>>> person. I know there are places where you can do free websites. I
>>>>>> have no idea how to do one.  But I am good at researching and
>>>>>> figuring things out, so it's something we could look at.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley  > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Rachel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working 
>>>>>> until
>>>>>> about 4:30 a.m. That?s one thing about working for myself (with 
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> my husband as my partner). There is only this single perk I have 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> that is that I don?t get up early since I generally work all 
>>>>>> night.
>>>>>> I figure since I?m the boss, I don?t have to justify my hours to
>>>>>> anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to court for motions or
>>>>>> trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the world, 
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> frankly, when I am in court, I generally don?t go to bed at all.
>>>>>> Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of
>>>>>> Medical Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> hated having to do midnight shifts. Now, it?s not a ?shift?. I?m
>>>>>> just up ALL night and work all day TOO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than 
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> when it comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect
>>>>>> the information about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> collect credible objective scientific information if we are going 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> convince the vets to stop their ridiculous crusade against 
>>>>>> Winstrol.
>>>>>> At worst, the drug may end up not being very effective in a
>>>>>> particular case, but it isn?t a demon drug to be avoided at all
>>>>>> costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol sooner
>>>>>> would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking,
>>>>>> that when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad 
>>>>>> shape,
>>>>>> all else has failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a 
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>> of faith in Winstrol, but I know full well it doesn?t always 
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>> However, I have used it and gotten amazing results in 
>>>>>> circumstances
>>>>>> where the vets have told me that there is nothing they have to
>>>>>> offer, and nothing will work. So why not try the Winstrol? I
>>>>   simply don?t get the reluctance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep
>>>>>> track of anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they
>>>>>> obtained it. Unfortunately, often people will not respond with 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> information when I ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a 
>>>>>> fed,
>>>>>> posing as a cat-lover to trap unwary online folks, looking to 
>>>>>> save
>>>>>> their babies. And I wouldn?t want to expose my vet to criticism 
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> colleagues. I think she is less of a skeptic than most, because I
>>>>>> let her know what I have seen, but she came in mid-way during my
>>>>>> ordeal with Zander. She wasn?t the first vet who diagnosed him 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at the ER
>>>>>> clinic. However, she allowed me to try various medications 
>>>>>> regimes,
>>>>>> and allowed me to take the weekly blood work while I assessed the
>>>>>> different treatment modalities to determine what was working and
>>>>>> what wasn?t. She saw Zander improve and was extremely impressed, 
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> you know, once he recovered from what was deemed to be a
>>>>  death sentence, and after there was some daylight between the 
>>>> crisis
>>>> and his current excellent condition, vets started to suggest to me
>>>> that maybe it wasn?t FeLV after all. REALLY frustrating. There is 
>>>> no
>>>> way to convince someone who insists on not being convinced ? even 
>>>> with
>>>> weekly lab results in hand and before and after lab results. 
>>>> Anyway,
>>>> all that to say that if push comes to shove, I think my vet 
>>>> believes
>>>> that the Winstrol saved Zander, but if confronted by other vets, I 
>>>> am
>>>> sure she would temper her comments so she doesn?t appear foolish 
>>>> and
>>>> out of step to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ardy was generous with her information about where she was able 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> obtain the Winstrol and shared it with everyone, and it seems to 
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> that this may be the most promising route. The trouble isn?t 
>>>>>> getting
>>>>>> the Winstrol once you have a prescription ? the problem is 
>>>>>> getting
>>>>>> that prescription from your vet. Once you have that, you can 
>>>>>> order
>>>>>> the medication online from a compounding pharmacy and Ardy let us
>>>>>> know about the one she used which shipped to her from another 
>>>>>> state.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think each of us who wants to try out the Winstrol, needs to 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> a talk with our vets, and explain to them that they are providing
>>>>>> little in the way of options except euthanasia, and a trial of
>>>>>> Winstrol is inexpensive and certainly not painful to the cat, so
>>>>>> rather than simply putting the cat down, why not trying the
>>>>>> Winstrol. Tell them that you understand the risk of liver damage,
>>>>>> and again, given the alternative, you accept and recognize that 
>>>>>> risk
>>>>>> but it is your understanding that while the liver enzymes often 
>>>>>> rise
>>>>>> with the use of Winstrol, there is no evidence or scientific 
>>>>>> trials
>>>>>> linking the use of Winstrol to any lasting liver damage. In the 
>>>>>> end,
>>>>>> you are in charge. Of course the vet can refuse to provide the
>>>>>> Winstrol and can decide he/she doesn?t want you for a client, so
>>>>>> remain calm and not belligerent if you want to avoid that 
>>>>>> outcome. I
>>>>>> would like to think that most vets, when faced with a logical,
>>>>>> measured decision to try a specific course of treatment, would a
>>>>  ssist even if you don?t have their full support on the chosen
>>>> treatment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that once we have some helpful vet names, these also can 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> shared so people know where they can go where they will get the
>>>>>> support they need for their FeLV cats. If anyone is situated near
>>>>>> Toronto, Ontario, Canada, I am happy to provide them with my 
>>>>>> vet?s
>>>>>> name and location. She is very kind, really cares about my cats, 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> respects my input very much, so we get along just fine. I have 
>>>>>> moved
>>>>>> away from where the clinic is located and now have to travel 
>>>>>> close
>>>>>> to an hour to take my cats there, but I just feel up to going
>>>>>> through the same battle with another vet right now, so I?ll stick 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the ones who have known me for decades and respect my decisions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember too that I used a number of medications with the 
>>>>>> Winstrol.
>>>>>> I used prednisone, Winstrol, metoclopramide (Zander seemed to 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> problems passing stool for a while and research online shows that
>>>>>> FeLV affects the intestinal walls as well ? metoclopramide was 
>>>>>> VERY
>>>>>> helpful to get the stool moving regularly and I believe without 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> stool sitting still in one area of the intestinal tract, it took
>>>>>> away the environment which encouraged the intestinal walls to be
>>>>>> attacked and become inflamed), and Doxycycline. When I was trying
>>>>>> help Ardy with Tigger, her vet wanted Tigger on Convenia and so 
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> to ?pick our battles?, I told Ardy to accept the Convenia instead 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the Doxycyclne and we would play it by ear. I knew of course that
>>>>>> antibiotics don?t kill viruses, and I couldn?t remember why
>>>>>> Doxycycline was so important. I figured I had used it for 
>>>>>> covering
>>>>>> for potential secondary infections. However, after seeing some
>>>>>> blasts showing up on the blood work, I reconsidered and rememb
>>>>  ered that Doxycycline actually works to block RNA synthesis, which 
>>>> is
>>>> how the virus reproduces, so while the Winstrol was working to 
>>>> restore
>>>> progenitor cells in the bone marrow to get new blood cells 
>>>> produced,
>>>> the Doxycycline was blocking the virus from continuing to reproduce
>>>> unchecked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And Rachel ? I am not ?that? kind of a lawyer, so I can?t defend 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> from a drug charge, but I do have contacts across the U.S., so I
>>>>>> promise to get you help should you end up in trouble because of 
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> preaching about Winstrol:). I am a medical malpractice lawyer -
>>>>>> Google me ? I figured I would put my scientific and medical
>>>>>> knowledge to good use when I left the medical field behind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See ? not all lawyers are bad!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Amani
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Rachel Dagner
>>>>>> Sent: May-14-16 7:48 AM
>>>>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org  Subject: [Felvtalk] Amani 
>>>>>> thoughts
>>>>>> for Winstrol
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good Morning Amani,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> get their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> was thinking that maybe since you are the go to person for those 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> us looking to go this route, you could start a file of those who
>>>>>> have tried it along with blood test results and notes or letters
>>>>>> from vets, along with places we find that make Winstrol. You 
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> then send the file to people to take with them to their vets. The
>>>>>> more vets that try it and see results the more likely they are to
>>>>>> try it again and share their experience with other vets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty 
>>>>>> drug
>>>>>> dealer, and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could 
>>>>>> write
>>>>>> a book about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Option one sounds a little more promising though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rachel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 11:02:35 -0500
>>>> From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+
>>>> Message-ID: <20160516120235.PJPAU.1851.root at pamxwww03-z01>
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>>>> RE:  stool, I give my guys about 1/4 teaspoon coconut oil every 
>>>> day.
>>>> They ask for it.  I don't have as much problem with hairballs since 
>>>> we
>>>> started this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---- Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>>>> Olivia
>>>>>
>>>>> It is a slow process. Once you get a bit of food into Kokonuts, 
>>>>> she
>>>>> will hopefully start feeling better. Keep feeding her small 
>>>>> amounts
>>>>> at multiple times of the day, if you can. Ask the vet to give her
>>>>> subcutaneous fluids or to show you how to do it at home (t is 
>>>>> pretty
>>>>> easy). She is probably dehydrated as well as not eating well. Good
>>>>> for you to get the Pedialyte into her - that is exactly what she
>>>>> needs - electrolytes - but with subcutaneous fluids, there is a 
>>>>> much
>>>>> faster uptake of the fluids, body-wide, then if it is given 
>>>>> orally.
>>>>> See if her stool is coming out regularly. If not, consider asking 
>>>>> the
>>>>> vet for Metoclopromide. As I mentioned in another post, FeLV often
>>>>> negatively impacts the intestinal tract and causes the stool to 
>>>>> slow
>>>>> down. The Metoclopromide helps to empty the stomach and increases
>>>>> peristaltic action which moves the stool along and this makes the 
>>>>> cat
>>>>> feel a bit better after a meal.
>>>>>
>>>>> I strongly suggest the Winstrol if nothing else but to increase
>>>>> appetite and feeling better. That boost alone will go miles to
>>>>> helping your cat fight this battle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Amani
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of . .
>>>>> Sent: May-15-16 12:46 PM
>>>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+
>>>>>
>>>>> How long has anyone ever syringe fed a cat . How long will it take 
>>>>> a
>>>>> cat to feel better weeks ,months? Please share thanks Sent from my
>>>>> iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 15, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Rachel Dagner  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Olivia,
>>>>>> So sorry your baby isn't feeling good. Syringe feeding in very
>>>>>> important are you using the ad hills food? I know it's hard to 
>>>>>> get a
>>>>>> lot of food in and this is high calorie. When I was syringe 
>>>>>> feeding
>>>>>> Tucker I took him to get fluids under the skin a couple of times 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> my vet only charges $14 to do it. My thoughts are that vets treat
>>>>>> the symptoms but sometimes forget that we also need to treat the
>>>>>> underlying problems. Which in our case is felv which causes a 
>>>>>> poor
>>>>>> immune system.  I would say find something to boost the immune
>>>>>> system as well. Since you are syringing you can just add 
>>>>>> supplements
>>>>>> right to the food. I syringe Tucker a tiny bit of food twice
>>>>>> everyday mixed with his supplements. My suggestion would be if 
>>>>>> cost
>>>>>> is an issue to try something like Life Gold immunity. It equals 
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> to about $10 a month, if you have deeper pockets I would do 
>>>>>> Vitality
>>>>>> Science Advanced Immune Support, both of these companies offer a
>>>>>> ninety day money back guarantee. You can do some research on
>>>>>> products look and the ingredients and find something you feel
>>>>>> comfortable with. I would give supplements not only while sick 
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> as a maintenance to keep my kitties immune system strong, and
>>>>>> fighting. I hope kokonut feels better soon and starts eating on 
>>>>>> her
>>>>>> own. Keep us posted!
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM,   wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---- Miss Olivia Valencia  wrote:
>>>>>>>> My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other 
>>>>>>>> day,
>>>>>>>> she had a fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her
>>>>>>>> metacam,doxycycline & depo medrol Her fever has come down a
>>>>>>>> little. But she hasn't been eating & just been laying in the 
>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>> spot for the last couple of days. My sister has been syringe
>>>>>>>> feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some pedialyte. Any
>>>>>>>> other recommendations-For food & staying hydrating?  frown
>>>>>>>> emoticon has anybody else experienced this? whats to be 
>>>>>>>> expected?
>>>>>>>
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>>>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 11:15:20 -0500
>>>> From: To: Amy , felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
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>>>> AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GET PEOPLE TO NEUTER AND SPAY, THEN THERE
>>>> WOULD BE NO STRAYS.
>>>>
>>>> ---- Amy  wrote:
>>>>> Lorrie,
>>>>> That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a
>>>>> no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best 
>>>>> to
>>>>> find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the
>>>>> groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my
>>>>> home. We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the 
>>>>> leuk
>>>>> positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full 
>>>>> with
>>>>> non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to
>>>>> contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk 
>>>>> pos?
>>>>> We always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90
>>>>> days and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure 
>>>>> they
>>>>> aren't going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we 
>>>>> have
>>>>> taken in have converted after some time. We are always looking for
>>>>> more options on the rare occasion we do get one in that remains
>>>>> positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks for
>>>>> helping these kitties!!!!
>>>>> Let me know!Thanks Amy
>>>>>
>>>>>       From: Lorrie  To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org  Sent: Sunday,
>>>>> May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
>>>>>  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ? ? Lorrie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ? ? Do you have pictures?? I would love to see what you've done!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ? ? Kat (Mew Jersey)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy 
>>>>> lot
>>>>> next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
>>>>> big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the 
>>>>> group,
>>>>> but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside 
>>>>> you
>>>>> just see a two story brick building not the inside.
>>>>> -
>>>>>
>>>>> It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
>>>>> get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
>>>>> -
>>>>>
>>>>> My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.? Downstairs are 5
>>>>> rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
>>>>> isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large 
>>>>> kitchen,
>>>>> full bathroom and a half bath.? The cats have access to every room
>>>>> and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
>>>>> They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty 
>>>>> kondos.
>>>>> There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
>>>>> outside.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
>>>>> upstairs rooms.? The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable 
>>>>> young
>>>>> cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for 
>>>>> them.
>>>>> Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
>>>>> beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
>>>>> walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lorrie
>>>>>
>>>>>
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