[Felvtalk] Winstrol

Margo toomanykitties2 at earthlink.net
Tue May 17 06:33:28 CDT 2016 



-----Original Message-----
>From: Jane Gannon <straycats at roadrunner.com>
>Sent: May 17, 2016 12:42 AM
>To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>It is possible he has uveitis which is inflamation of the eye.  It is very 
>serious and painful, can cause blindness, and is treated with eye ointment 
>with steroids.  Research it on line, you can find pictures.  The eyeball 
>can even become swollen and bulge.  It can have a brownish  spot on it. 
>Cloudiness is probably an eye ulcer. I have had 2 positives that have had 
>this and it will clear up with treatment  but it can come back.  They were 
>put on metacam for the pain and also for the inflamation along with an 
>ointment containing cortisone.  It is serious.   Follow instructions for how 
>often to do the ointment.
>
>Jane
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <dlgegg at windstream.net>
>To: <felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>
>> Recently, I have been putting coconut oil on a swab and jut dabbing it in 
>> the corner of my eye when it itches.  My cats eat it all the time so it 
>> shouldn't hurt to put a small amount in your cats eye.  would oothe it.
>> ---- Amani Oakley <aoakley at oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Bob
>>>
>>> As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can 
>>> only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with 
>>> rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is 
>>> mostly just saline but it usually contains very small amounts of 
>>> disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is safe to put into 
>>> your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the contact lens solution 
>>> multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to soothe the eye and 
>>> address some infections. You can alternate this with the 
>>> antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided.
>>>
>>> If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low 
>>> and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help 
>>> reduce any inflammation and that may help.
>>>
>>> Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of 
>>> sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the 
>>> Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are 
>>> not all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count 
>>> to be done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is 
>>> regenerative or non-regenerative.
>>>
>>> At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with 
>>> viral reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of 
>>> the FeLV virus.
>>>
>>> Amani
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> ROBERT CHAPEL
>>> Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM
>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
>>> threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are 
>>> any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you 
>>> administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback 
>>> from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it 
>>> is one of the more popular anabolics used by body builders and 
>>> athletes....??
>>>
>>> Also...... anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties 
>>> ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus 
>>> infection).... I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) 
>>> from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their 
>>> living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT 
>>> more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I 
>>> brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing 
>>> mightily despite a chronic URI.... Last week he developed some cloudiness 
>>> in his L eye lenses and what appear to be burst capillaries.... The Vet 
>>> ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular visit as I will go 
>>> broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined.... the cats are 
>>> uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted).... that vet 
>>> offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to 
>>> FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with 
>>> Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp)..... Frankly I think 
>>> the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him 
>>> elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I 
>>> go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter 
>>> are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get 
>>> a very discounted rate).... This is my first experience with FeLV and I 
>>> have been reading vocaciously.... I am not one who is going to employ 
>>> heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY 
>>> discomfort to them... I'm already providing them a much better life than 
>>> they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever 
>>> would have known..... Still.... his eye looks " angry " and I have no way 
>>> to tell if it is causing him pain...... Making an appt. to have blood 
>>> work done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets.... Gums 
>>> appear to still be red and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am 
>>> hopeful that he is not severely anemic.... But have NO idea what might 
>>> have caused the blood in his eye..... also there is some clear discharge 
>>> which I wipe away several times during the day....... Any thoughts 
>>> welcome...
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> Warwick NY
>>>
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>>> > Today's Topics:
>>> >
>>> >    1. Re: Amani thoughts for Winstrol (dlgegg at windstream.net)
>>> >    2. Re: Kokonut Felv+ (dlgegg at windstream.net)
>>> >    3. Re: Cat Sanctuary (dlgegg at windstream.net)
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> >
>>> > Message: 1
>>> > Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 10:55:23 -0500
>>> > From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
>>> > Message-ID: <20160516115523.U40WC.1807.root at pamxwww03-z01>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>> >
>>> > GOOD VET!
>>> >
>>> > ---- Rachel Dagner  wrote:
>>> >> When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg
>>> >> and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he
>>> >> didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots she me if
>>> >> I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go outside too.
>>> >> We tested him first and it came back positive :(. She told me he
>>> >> could live three months or a long normal life there was just no
>>> >> telling. She never even said the word euthanize.
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM,   wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or
>>> >> keep Annie, treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door and
>>> >> never returned if he only had one solution.  Find another vet.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ---- Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>>> >>> Hello,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help
>>> >>> people, especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV.
>>> >>> Suddenly you are told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you
>>> >>> are being told there are no options other than euthanasia. My vets
>>> >>> even wanted me to go home and get my other two cats and bring them
>>> >>> in that day for euthanizing!  I said ?no?!  If there was a website
>>> >>> that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV crises, that
>>> >>> would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and while I
>>> >>> was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets
>>> >>> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable
>>> >>> time was slipping away and Tigg?s blood counts were taking a dive.
>>> >>> They didn?t really explain anything about the blood test results.  I
>>> >>> basically had to learn everything from reading online.  For instance
>>> >>> I did not know that stress can bring on a crisis.  We had brought a
>>> >>> stray into our house, and she was running up behi
>>> >  nd Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that was high.  I also
>>> > learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus spreads to other
>>> > cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of age because
>>> > their immune system can usually defend them from it.  That is also how
>>> > I found this group online.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the
>>> >>> bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take
>>> >>> a chance on it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to
>>> >>> get Winstrol, also known as Stanozolol.  I found a source in Canada,
>>> >>> but they were not able to ship into the US.  I live in Wisconsin, so
>>> >>> I had to find a source in the US.  Again, as a novice, I did not
>>> >>> have the information I needed to make any meaningful decisions. I
>>> >>> happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do the searching for
>>> >>> ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a loving cat
>>> >>> owner who just doesn?t happen to be able to find things online
>>> >>> easily, would do! So the need for information is critical??both for
>>> >>> cat owners, and eventually to change the minds of the veterinary
>>> >>> community! I hope one day, they will actually SUGGEST it to cat
>>> >>> parents.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share
>>> >>> Tigger?s treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even
>>> >>> though we eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional
>>> >>> time with him ? and it was good quality time with him feeling very
>>> >>> good, and playful most of the time. I also feel he may have pulled
>>> >>> through this particular crisis if I had started this treatment
>>> >>> regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I could be wrong, but
>>> >>> I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the cat, waiting
>>> >>> for some period of stress in the cat?s life, and then it pops up and
>>> >>> attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat through
>>> >>> that particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off again,
>>> >>> possibly for very long periods, especially if the cat?s stress
>>> >>> levels can be kept low.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thank you,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ardy
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On
>>> >>> Behalf Of Rachel Dagner
>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM
>>> >>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a
>>> >>> face to a name! Can we post pictures when we send messages?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you
>>> >>> believe in and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes
>>> >>> all of the hours worth it. That and you love kitties and help people
>>> >>> on here with theirs when you have so little time tells me you are a
>>> >>> wonderful person with a huge heart and a beautiful soul.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for
>>> >>> information instead of having to start over completely with a new
>>> >>> person. I know there are places where you can do free websites. I
>>> >>> have no idea how to do one.  But I am good at researching and
>>> >>> figuring things out, so it's something we could look at.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley  > wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi Rachel
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until
>>> >>> about 4:30 a.m. That?s one thing about working for myself (with just
>>> >>> my husband as my partner). There is only this single perk I have and
>>> >>> that is that I don?t get up early since I generally work all night.
>>> >>> I figure since I?m the boss, I don?t have to justify my hours to
>>> >>> anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to court for motions or
>>> >>> trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the world, but
>>> >>> frankly, when I am in court, I generally don?t go to bed at all.
>>> >>> Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of
>>> >>> Medical Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I
>>> >>> hated having to do midnight shifts. Now, it?s not a ?shift?. I?m
>>> >>> just up ALL night and work all day TOO.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me
>>> >>> when it comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect
>>> >>> the information about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to
>>> >>> collect credible objective scientific information if we are going to
>>> >>> convince the vets to stop their ridiculous crusade against Winstrol.
>>> >>> At worst, the drug may end up not being very effective in a
>>> >>> particular case, but it isn?t a demon drug to be avoided at all
>>> >>> costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol sooner
>>> >>> would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking,
>>> >>> that when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad shape,
>>> >>> all else has failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a lot
>>> >>> of faith in Winstrol, but I know full well it doesn?t always work.
>>> >>> However, I have used it and gotten amazing results in circumstances
>>> >>> where the vets have told me that there is nothing they have to
>>> >>> offer, and nothing will work. So why not try the Winstrol? I
>>> >   simply don?t get the reluctance.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep
>>> >>> track of anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they
>>> >>> obtained it. Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that
>>> >>> information when I ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a fed,
>>> >>> posing as a cat-lover to trap unwary online folks, looking to save
>>> >>> their babies. And I wouldn?t want to expose my vet to criticism from
>>> >>> colleagues. I think she is less of a skeptic than most, because I
>>> >>> let her know what I have seen, but she came in mid-way during my
>>> >>> ordeal with Zander. She wasn?t the first vet who diagnosed him and
>>> >>> she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at the ER
>>> >>> clinic. However, she allowed me to try various medications regimes,
>>> >>> and allowed me to take the weekly blood work while I assessed the
>>> >>> different treatment modalities to determine what was working and
>>> >>> what wasn?t. She saw Zander improve and was extremely impressed, but
>>> >>> you know, once he recovered from what was deemed to be a
>>> >  death sentence, and after there was some daylight between the crisis
>>> > and his current excellent condition, vets started to suggest to me
>>> > that maybe it wasn?t FeLV after all. REALLY frustrating. There is no
>>> > way to convince someone who insists on not being convinced ? even with
>>> > weekly lab results in hand and before and after lab results. Anyway,
>>> > all that to say that if push comes to shove, I think my vet believes
>>> > that the Winstrol saved Zander, but if confronted by other vets, I am
>>> > sure she would temper her comments so she doesn?t appear foolish and
>>> > out of step to them.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ardy was generous with her information about where she was able to
>>> >>> obtain the Winstrol and shared it with everyone, and it seems to me
>>> >>> that this may be the most promising route. The trouble isn?t getting
>>> >>> the Winstrol once you have a prescription ? the problem is getting
>>> >>> that prescription from your vet. Once you have that, you can order
>>> >>> the medication online from a compounding pharmacy and Ardy let us
>>> >>> know about the one she used which shipped to her from another state.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I think each of us who wants to try out the Winstrol, needs to have
>>> >>> a talk with our vets, and explain to them that they are providing
>>> >>> little in the way of options except euthanasia, and a trial of
>>> >>> Winstrol is inexpensive and certainly not painful to the cat, so
>>> >>> rather than simply putting the cat down, why not trying the
>>> >>> Winstrol. Tell them that you understand the risk of liver damage,
>>> >>> and again, given the alternative, you accept and recognize that risk
>>> >>> but it is your understanding that while the liver enzymes often rise
>>> >>> with the use of Winstrol, there is no evidence or scientific trials
>>> >>> linking the use of Winstrol to any lasting liver damage. In the end,
>>> >>> you are in charge. Of course the vet can refuse to provide the
>>> >>> Winstrol and can decide he/she doesn?t want you for a client, so
>>> >>> remain calm and not belligerent if you want to avoid that outcome. I
>>> >>> would like to think that most vets, when faced with a logical,
>>> >>> measured decision to try a specific course of treatment, would a
>>> >  ssist even if you don?t have their full support on the chosen
>>> > treatment.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I think that once we have some helpful vet names, these also can be
>>> >>> shared so people know where they can go where they will get the
>>> >>> support they need for their FeLV cats. If anyone is situated near
>>> >>> Toronto, Ontario, Canada, I am happy to provide them with my vet?s
>>> >>> name and location. She is very kind, really cares about my cats, and
>>> >>> respects my input very much, so we get along just fine. I have moved
>>> >>> away from where the clinic is located and now have to travel close
>>> >>> to an hour to take my cats there, but I just feel up to going
>>> >>> through the same battle with another vet right now, so I?ll stick to
>>> >>> the ones who have known me for decades and respect my decisions.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Remember too that I used a number of medications with the Winstrol.
>>> >>> I used prednisone, Winstrol, metoclopramide (Zander seemed to have
>>> >>> problems passing stool for a while and research online shows that
>>> >>> FeLV affects the intestinal walls as well ? metoclopramide was VERY
>>> >>> helpful to get the stool moving regularly and I believe without the
>>> >>> stool sitting still in one area of the intestinal tract, it took
>>> >>> away the environment which encouraged the intestinal walls to be
>>> >>> attacked and become inflamed), and Doxycycline. When I was trying
>>> >>> help Ardy with Tigger, her vet wanted Tigger on Convenia and so as
>>> >>> to ?pick our battles?, I told Ardy to accept the Convenia instead of
>>> >>> the Doxycyclne and we would play it by ear. I knew of course that
>>> >>> antibiotics don?t kill viruses, and I couldn?t remember why
>>> >>> Doxycycline was so important. I figured I had used it for covering
>>> >>> for potential secondary infections. However, after seeing some
>>> >>> blasts showing up on the blood work, I reconsidered and rememb
>>> >  ered that Doxycycline actually works to block RNA synthesis, which is
>>> > how the virus reproduces, so while the Winstrol was working to restore
>>> > progenitor cells in the bone marrow to get new blood cells produced,
>>> > the Doxycycline was blocking the virus from continuing to reproduce
>>> > unchecked.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> And Rachel ? I am not ?that? kind of a lawyer, so I can?t defend you
>>> >>> from a drug charge, but I do have contacts across the U.S., so I
>>> >>> promise to get you help should you end up in trouble because of my
>>> >>> preaching about Winstrol:). I am a medical malpractice lawyer -
>>> >>> Google me ? I figured I would put my scientific and medical
>>> >>> knowledge to good use when I left the medical field behind.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> See ? not all lawyers are bad!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Amani
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On
>>> >>> Behalf Of Rachel Dagner
>>> >>> Sent: May-14-16 7:48 AM
>>> >>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org  Subject: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts
>>> >>> for Winstrol
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Good Morning Amani,
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to
>>> >>> get their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I
>>> >>> was thinking that maybe since you are the go to person for those of
>>> >>> us looking to go this route, you could start a file of those who
>>> >>> have tried it along with blood test results and notes or letters
>>> >>> from vets, along with places we find that make Winstrol. You could
>>> >>> then send the file to people to take with them to their vets. The
>>> >>> more vets that try it and see results the more likely they are to
>>> >>> try it again and share their experience with other vets.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug
>>> >>> dealer, and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write
>>> >>> a book about it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Option one sounds a little more promising though.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Rachel
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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>>> >>> rg
>>> >>
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>>> > Message: 2
>>> > Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 11:02:35 -0500
>>> > From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+
>>> > Message-ID: <20160516120235.PJPAU.1851.root at pamxwww03-z01>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>> >
>>> > RE:  stool, I give my guys about 1/4 teaspoon coconut oil every day.
>>> > They ask for it.  I don't have as much problem with hairballs since we
>>> > started this.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ---- Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>> >> Olivia
>>> >>
>>> >> It is a slow process. Once you get a bit of food into Kokonuts, she
>>> >> will hopefully start feeling better. Keep feeding her small amounts
>>> >> at multiple times of the day, if you can. Ask the vet to give her
>>> >> subcutaneous fluids or to show you how to do it at home (t is pretty
>>> >> easy). She is probably dehydrated as well as not eating well. Good
>>> >> for you to get the Pedialyte into her - that is exactly what she
>>> >> needs - electrolytes - but with subcutaneous fluids, there is a much
>>> >> faster uptake of the fluids, body-wide, then if it is given orally.
>>> >> See if her stool is coming out regularly. If not, consider asking the
>>> >> vet for Metoclopromide. As I mentioned in another post, FeLV often
>>> >> negatively impacts the intestinal tract and causes the stool to slow
>>> >> down. The Metoclopromide helps to empty the stomach and increases
>>> >> peristaltic action which moves the stool along and this makes the cat
>>> >> feel a bit better after a meal.
>>> >>
>>> >> I strongly suggest the Winstrol if nothing else but to increase
>>> >> appetite and feeling better. That boost alone will go miles to
>>> >> helping your cat fight this battle.
>>> >>
>>> >> Amani
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>>> >> Of . .
>>> >> Sent: May-15-16 12:46 PM
>>> >> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+
>>> >>
>>> >> How long has anyone ever syringe fed a cat . How long will it take a
>>> >> cat to feel better weeks ,months? Please share thanks Sent from my
>>> >> iPhone
>>> >>
>>> >>> On May 15, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Rachel Dagner  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi Olivia,
>>> >>> So sorry your baby isn't feeling good. Syringe feeding in very
>>> >>> important are you using the ad hills food? I know it's hard to get a
>>> >>> lot of food in and this is high calorie. When I was syringe feeding
>>> >>> Tucker I took him to get fluids under the skin a couple of times and
>>> >>> my vet only charges $14 to do it. My thoughts are that vets treat
>>> >>> the symptoms but sometimes forget that we also need to treat the
>>> >>> underlying problems. Which in our case is felv which causes a poor
>>> >>> immune system.  I would say find something to boost the immune
>>> >>> system as well. Since you are syringing you can just add supplements
>>> >>> right to the food. I syringe Tucker a tiny bit of food twice
>>> >>> everyday mixed with his supplements. My suggestion would be if cost
>>> >>> is an issue to try something like Life Gold immunity. It equals out
>>> >>> to about $10 a month, if you have deeper pockets I would do Vitality
>>> >>> Science Advanced Immune Support, both of these companies offer a
>>> >>> ninety day money back guarantee. You can do some research on
>>> >>> products look and the ingredients and find something you feel
>>> >>> comfortable with. I would give supplements not only while sick but
>>> >>> as a maintenance to keep my kitties immune system strong, and
>>> >>> fighting. I hope kokonut feels better soon and starts eating on her
>>> >>> own. Keep us posted!
>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On May 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM,   wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> ---- Miss Olivia Valencia  wrote:
>>> >>>>> My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other day,
>>> >>>>> she had a fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her
>>> >>>>> metacam,doxycycline & depo medrol Her fever has come down a
>>> >>>>> little. But she hasn't been eating & just been laying in the same
>>> >>>>> spot for the last couple of days. My sister has been syringe
>>> >>>>> feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some pedialyte. Any
>>> >>>>> other recommendations-For food & staying hydrating?  frown
>>> >>>>> emoticon has anybody else experienced this? whats to be expected?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
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>>> > Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 11:15:20 -0500
>>> > From: To: Amy , felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>>> > Message-ID: <20160516121520.SLLRS.1918.root at pamxwww03-z01>
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>>> > AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GET PEOPLE TO NEUTER AND SPAY, THEN THERE
>>> > WOULD BE NO STRAYS.
>>> >
>>> > ---- Amy  wrote:
>>> >> Lorrie,
>>> >> That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a
>>> >> no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to
>>> >> find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the
>>> >> groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my
>>> >> home. We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk
>>> >> positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with
>>> >> non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to
>>> >> contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos?
>>> >> We always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90
>>> >> days and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they
>>> >> aren't going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we have
>>> >> taken in have converted after some time. We are always looking for
>>> >> more options on the rare occasion we do get one in that remains
>>> >> positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks for
>>> >> helping these kitties!!!!
>>> >> Let me know!Thanks Amy
>>> >>
>>> >>       From: Lorrie  To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org  Sent: Sunday,
>>> >> May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
>>> >>  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ? ? Lorrie,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ? ? Do you have pictures?? I would love to see what you've done!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ? ? Kat (Mew Jersey)
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
>>> >> next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
>>> >> big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
>>> >> but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
>>> >> just see a two story brick building not the inside.
>>> >> -
>>> >>
>>> >> It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
>>> >> get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
>>> >> -
>>> >>
>>> >> My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.? Downstairs are 5
>>> >> rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
>>> >> isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
>>> >> full bathroom and a half bath.? The cats have access to every room
>>> >> and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
>>> >> They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
>>> >> There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
>>> >> outside.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
>>> >> upstairs rooms.? The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
>>> >> cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
>>> >> Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
>>> >> beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
>>> >> walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room.
>>> >>
>>> >> Lorrie
>>> >>
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Just a quick caution, I would suggest using buprenorphine rather than metacam (which has a Black Box warning for use in cats) for pain management. There is an injectible sustained release version, but oral is quick-acting and easy, and I only ad one cat object, and that because her mouth was so sore.

Margo


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