[Felvtalk] TIGGER

Thu Mar 17 00:17:32 CDT 2016

HI Jane,

You are welcome. I hope you can get the Winstrol ordered soon. It takes a
couple days for them to mix it up, and then they mail it from Arizona by
priority mail. It took from Saturday to Tuesday to get it to me in
Wisconsin. Maybe they would overnight it to you?

Tigger has only had the Winstrol for 2 days now so I don't have any concrete
results yet. He also had Prednisolone so his improvement could be from that.
He is definitely showing improvement though. He is also on antibiotics.

My vet has me giving him a half millileter 2 times per day. The liquid that
I have is 2 milligrams per millileter in strength, so that works out to a
half millileter being equal to 1 milligram if that makes sense to you. I'm
not good with metric equivalents but my vet explained this to me.

The cost was about $32.00 plus $8.00 shipping for a 25 day supply. And I
have one refill on the prescription. I did have a complete blood test done
last week with testing for red and white blood cell counts and platelets and
also liver enzymes. There were numerous things on the list that they tested
for, and I really don't know how much is actually necessary. Amani told me
what the test meant. She has successfully treated a cat with FeLV and knows
a lot about it. I don't really know how long he can be on the Winstrol but
I'm guessing he may need it the rest of his life. He is 5 now. I believe you
need to back off the Winstrol periodically when the liver enzymes rise.
Hopefully your vet will guide you on this a bit. I do not believe either of
the two vet offices that I work with has ever even tried to treat an FeLV
cat. They automatically put them down the minute they test positive. One of
my vets said we could use Winstrol as a "last resort". And the other one is
against it because it can "do damage to the liver". My response is what good
is a healthy liver in a dead cat???  My plan for Tigger is to use the
Winstrol until the liver enzymes rise to a dangerous level, then back off a
bit, and when the enzymes go down, to use it again. I love this cat so much
- he is family to my husband and me.

I really didn't try hard at all to find the Winstrol. I found a lab in
Ontario but they do not ship to the US. I do not know if it is actually
illegal or if they have other reasons for not shipping across the border,
but they were kind enough to respond to my email and suggest that I google
"compounding pharmacies in the US" which I did and the first one I came to
was  www.diamondbackdrugs.com  in Arizona, and they are excellent to work
with. I had all of 10 minutes invested in finding them - and my first vet
office just told me they aren't able to find it yet - after nearly two
weeks, and after I gave them the website! My other vet went online
immediately and ordered it for me, once he found out it is legal to use in
the US. It is only illegal to use in connection with sports.

Thank you Jane for helping the FeLV kitties! They are lucky to have someone
like you who cares for them. I hope this helps!
Ardy

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Jane Gannon
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 11:12 PM
To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

Hi Ardy,

Thank you so much for the info.  Keep us all informed about how things go
for your cat.  I would also be interested in the liquid.  How much do you
give and how often.  Also how much does it cost?  Did you have bloodwork
done on your cat first.  How long can you keep your cat on this?  Has your
vet used this drug before and  is he familiar with side effects, etc.  What
is the plan for your cat.

Thank you so much for finding this.  I have 7 cats with felv but there is
only one that I am concerned about at this time.  He is eating, but he has
an upper respiratory right now that I am treating with antibiotics and he
has lost alot of weight.  He just seems more quiet lately.  His last
hematicrit was 19.  I am going to get in touch with my vet asap.

Thanks again and good luck with Tigger!
Jane

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ardy Robertson" <ardyr at centurytel.net>
To: <felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

> Hi Jane,
> I am getting my Winstrol tomorrow, from Diamond Back Drugs in Arizona. 
> Their
> website is www.diamondbackdrugs.com and all you have to do is have your 
> vet
> go to their website and either fill out the RX form on there or call them.
> They compound the drug in their lab, and call you for delivery information
> and to get your payment by card. They told me their facility is extremely
> sterile, and they are sending it to me by priority mail. I talked to them 
> on
> Wednesday, and they shipped it out Saturday. It is supposed to arrive
> tomorrow morning. They make it in liquid, chewable tablets or capsules. I 
> am
> getting salmon flavor liquid.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Thank you,
> Ardy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Jane Gannon
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 8:54 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER
>
> Hi Ardy,
>
> Could you tell me again where we may be able to get Winstrol in the US. 
> My
> computer deletes emails after I read them even when I don't want it to and
> your email got deleted before I made a copy.
>
> Thanks, Jane
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <dlgegg at windstream.net>
> To: <felvtalk at felineleukemia.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 11:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER
>
>
>> Harley had a uti with sturvite crystals.  I first cought on to it when I
>> noticed that when he passed urine, there were only small lumps (silver
>> dollar size).  took him to vet and he gave covenia, but no help.  Then
>> started a dropper full of Bragg's raw vinegar in each water foun tain
>> every day.  We ahve had on problems since then.  I aso had a bought and
>> started myself on cranberry and Bragg's.  now no momre problem.  only one
>> thing to watch out for, if he starts urinating too much, cut cranberry
>> down or out, it irritates the bladder and causes incontinence3.
>>
>> ---- Ardy Robertson <ardyr at centurytel.net> wrote:
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions
>>> so
>>> I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV 
>>> and
>>> last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all
>>> of
>>> that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day
>>> antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of
>>> prayers
>>> and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine,
>>> playing
>>> - nearly back to normal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was 
>>> remedied
>>> with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections.
>>> Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still FeLV positive, 
>>> but
>
>>> at
>>> that time symptom free.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Two weeks ago he seemed to be in pain, a bit feverish and not eating
>>> much.
>>> It turned out he had a "raging" urinary tract infection. I feel very bad
>>> that I did not know it. Two more Convenia shots, urinalysis with culture
>>> etc., x-ray to see if there were stones was negative, however I believe
>>> they
>>> said he has crystals - of magnesium and a couple other things. We
>>> switched
>>> him to Hills prescription food - C/D for urinary tract health, and
>>> surprisingly he likes it. I also got him a water fountain which
>>> encourages
>>> him to drink more water. However after two weeks and all of that he is
>>> still
>>> in some pain - they had given him Buprenorphine for the pain and that
>>> does
>>> take it away for about 18 hours (actually makes him a bit loopy!!). Now 
>>> I
>>> have it in a bottle to give as needed, so I cut the dose in thirds and
>>> only
>>> give when necessary. When he is pain free he eats, otherwise, not so
>>> much.
>>> His healthy weight was a little over 11 lbs., and he had gained back to
>>> 10.7
>>> lbs. Two weeks ago at the vet he was 10.2 and now he is 9.5 lbs. They 
>>> are
>>> suggesting a Convenia shot every two weeks for a while and pain meds as
>>> needed. The pain seems to be brought on by eating/drinking, or by 
>>> jumping
>>> down from something.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Amani - if you are reading...do you feel this is the time to ask for
>>> Winstrol? They say the UTI is over with, urine is fine, but that it is
>>> the
>>> Lukemia that is making him feel like this. One of the vets there is a 
>>> vet
>>> chiropractor and she gave him a spinal manipulation which seemed to keep
>>> the
>>> pain at bay for over 24 hours.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One of my questions is - what can I give him for pro-biotics? I bought
>>> some
>>> Vetri-Science UT Strength Feline treats that have pro-biotics in them,
>>> and
>>> he will not eat them. I even tried chopping them to bits and putting 
>>> with
>>> his fish oil and he refuses. I don't want to force feed these to him. He
>>> hates yogurt but I could syringe a little of it if necessary.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any ideas are appreciated!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Ardy Robertson
>>>
>>> Osseo, Wisconsin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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