[Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...

dlgegg at windstream.net dlgegg at windstream.net
Fri Jun 10 10:46:36 CDT 2016


I used to caccinate until one of my cats had a very bad reaction.  We do not have much exposure to other animals and so I do not see the need for vaccines.

---- Rachel Dagner <rdagner at novahrc.com> wrote: 
> I think we need both natural and conventional. After all if your
> cholesterol is high and you lose weight and change your diet and eat some
> oatmeal everyday it is likely that you can bring it down without spending
> your life of drugs. Right? There is merit to including vitamins and
> supplements and the healthiest food you can put in your body and into that
> of your animals.
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
> *ROBERT CHAPEL
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:00 PM
> *To:* felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...
> 
> 
> 
> I applaud Amani's very nicely delineated defense of Vaccines and her
> pointing out how many people who are anti vax ( and dare I say wedded to "
> all natural " cures etc) more often than not have a sub standard
> understanding of immunology, Micro Bio and even basic physiology.....  I am
> not a huge fan of the medical 'machine' in america but the fact that it is
> BIG business should not obviate the fact that there are MANY individual
> MD's and Vets who do their level best to practice well and ethically and
> who DO know quite a bit more than we do even if we do not always like the
> conclusions they draw.  Silly people who are fond of saying that " The
> Doctors don't know what they are talking about" can seldom be seen avoiding
> these same uninformed professionals as soon as something goes amiss with
> their health.( Then , of course, fail to follow the advice they are
> given...don't improve and blame it on the fact the the " Doctors don't know
> what they are talking about" : )    We run that risk here as well.... Vets
> are businessmen/women and the world of Vet medicine is rapidly changing in
> the same direction as Human Medicine...Vets are incentivized in group
> practices to sell services AND medications and don't always predicate their
> decisions on what is best for the patient or owner..THAT is why it is SO
> important to NOT run from Vet to Vet...  find one that you basically trust
> and stay with them!!  Same with MD's....  Even if they are under pressure
> to " sell " most decent people will allow the long term relationship to
> count for "something" over time and modify their approach.  Most
> importantly try to learn all you can to discourse _ intelligently_ about
> your animals disease process so that you can somewhat impassively evaluate
> the advice you were given by a vet and determine if he/she was simply not
> paying enough attention to your concerns, or fully grasped them but reached
> a different conclusion....   The Vet I saw the other day who really did
> give a careful examination to my Yogi had no investment in me OR my cat but
> was a professional and did what needed to be done....prescribed sensibly
> 
> ( which resulted in very clear improvement for my cat) but did NOT want to
> prescribe Winstrol I believe because he could not keep the script in house
> ( ie...can't get his hands on it and can't make a profit on it)
> 
> The other vet in the same practice that I saw showed no signs of the same
> profit motive, WAS willing to prescribe Winstrol but gave my guy a FAR more
> cursory examination( eg...didn't even use a tonometer to measure
> Intraocular Pressure).. and recommended against using the very drugs that
> were responsible for my guys improvement......   Who is the better vet??
> I don't know...  I know that I have to decide on someone with whom to
> develop a relationship and I could go broke running from Vet to Vet until I
> find one that I trust right out of the Box...  ( BTW....EACH one of the
> Vets mentioned were recommended to me)..
> 
> Sorry for the length of this "rant"... hope it wasn't an imposition...
> The brief " take away "...  We are the advocates for our FeLV kitties and
> we owe it to ourselves and them to be as scientifically informed as we can
> be ... Sadly todays " professionals " are sometimes not a lot different
> than the Deli clerk who has been instructed to routinely go over when you
> ask for a "half pound"......  I am old enough to feel a profound sadness at
> this dilution of the meaning of professional.....  Now we really DO have to
> keep both eyes open
> 
> until we know our " professional" well.




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