[Felvtalk] Yogi...and decisions to be made...

dlgegg at windstream.net dlgegg at windstream.net
Mon Dec 26 17:22:34 CST 2016


Every time one of my animals has pased, that has been my concern, that they are comfortable and know I love them.  I am sure that they do know, but have no real way of communicating that to me.  


---- ROBERT CHAPEL <bchapel at optonline.net> wrote: 
> Ardy, Amani, Margo Sandy Lorrie....everyone who has responded......   
it's so nice to not feel completely alone in making these decisions and 
to profit from the experience and thoughts of others on this matter.  It 
worries me terribly how limited the choices become for saving a cats 
life when one is impeded by fiscal concerns.....  I had many cats when 
younger and never had to decide between getting the furnace cleaned or 
buying still another medicine for my cat....ethical dilemnas abound..... 
Do I hold off on getting the brakes fixed and try still another vet and 
hope he willl prescribe what I need.... Blood work even bi weekly at 60+ 
dollars along with all the meds he's still getting etc...... Mind you I 
would blow it all for a
GUARANTEE of several more months with my little guy but I'm trying to 
put a price tag on hope....and this becomes VERY difficult when a 
formerly 7 pound energetic little cat stumbles into your lap every time 
you sit down... now 5 lbs 6 oz's, skin and bones with a pronounced 
Cataract over his right eye... a tiny little mew that was always his 
trademark and walks in circles for minutes trying to find the place that 
is most comfortable and warm ( You know how hard it is to pet a 
collectiion of skin and bones??....  I try to focus on his head because 
it is the only part of him that feels normal......   The little guy 
appears to be having problems thermoregulating since his Body Mass is so 
reduced and he has a fever..... so I now have a heating pad set up on 
the bed ( and of course the other bigger guy commandeers it as soon as 
yogi moves elsewhere for a moment......   He's still alive, still eating 
and using the litter box but it disturbs me no end that he might die 
while I am NOT there and I'm spending WAY more time around the house 
than I should and sleeping less than I should because I don't want him 
alone when he passes ( this...WAY more for me than for him as I suspect 
it is not one of his prime concerns....  I just want to be sure that he 
goes comfortably.
BTW.... I am lucky enough to have a vet ( she is a " holistic vet" and 
does little allopathic practice) who consults at the shelter who will 
put him down if the time comes that this is necessary...in a comfortable 
" non medicinal smelling room over at the shelter where he has been seen 
before..... It's not nearly as traumatic as going all the way to the 
other vet ( a half hour drive).....
Thanks for all your well wishes.....  I'm not a big believer in miracles 
but that doesn't stop me from hoping for one.......

Bob in Warwick NY


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> Hi Robert,
> I'm so sorry it might be coming to the end for your little sweetie. 
> When I lost my Tigger, I could not decide what to do either. By the 
> time I was ready to call the vet to put him down, they were closed, 
> and their emergency answering service said they were all over an hour 
> away, so they were not available, and in the end - it ended up being 
> the best solution. We held Tigger and he felt comfortable with us. He 
> hated going to the vet and was afraid, and I did not like putting him 
> through it at this most critical time. He passed within a few minutes, 
> and was comfortable and not afraid with us talking to him, telling him 
> how much we loved him. Of course it was horrible for us, but in this 
> situation, it turned out to be better for him to be at home. But 
> whatever decision you make, it will be the best one because you have 
> done so much for your fur-babies, they love and appreciate you.
> Ardy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 1:54 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 58
>
> Amani et al....
>
> Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated non regenerative anemia 
> in a FeLV cat....Got a call on Yogi's  Most Recent Bloodwork and the 
> vet states HCT of 14 and non regenerative anemia....  I was taken 
> aback and didn't ask nearly enough questions but it was VERY clear 
> that she felt it was time to put the little guy down.....   I am at 
> the end of my money at this point and cannot take him to a bunch of 
> other vets hoping one will be willing to prescribe the cocktail that 
> is showing itself to be effective with others cats...( I don't think I 
> am going to get a lot of cooperation from the Vet I was using after I 
> gave her my opinion of her unwillingness to help me through 
> unconventional means).....Nor can I afford Bone Marrow Biopsies and 
> more definitive narrowing of the parameters of his drop in blood 
> values ( it's Xmas eve and they are all gone from the office)....   As 
> much as I would like to save this little guy... He has so many other 
> things wrong with him that I don't know that I a
>  m doing him any favors..... Temp is 104...weight has dropped a full 
> pound in the last 6 months.... If it weren't for the fact that he is 
> still eating heartily I'd put him down.... Without further treatment 
> is it kinder to put him down or allow nature to take it's 
> course??.....The idea of him suffering from an inability to get enough 
> O2 is unacceptable....
> any suggestions are welcome.... but... please...  no admonitions re: 
> what I _ should_ do.....    I have learned an immense amount from this 
> experience and will NOT repeat it...  My other boy is still doing OK 
> and I WILL find someone eventually that is willing to work with me..
>
>
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>> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: 
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>> Randy
>>
>> The news is good. Whatever works. I am a big believer in keeping 
>> close tabs on the bloodwork and adjusting the medication, depending 
>> on what the lab results show.
>>
>> Given that Curley is eating and you are getting an improvement on the 
>> red cells already, I agree that the Winstrol and Doxy should help 
>> even more. Keep track of the blood work and adjust accordingly.
>>
>> Amani
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Randy Henke
>> Sent: December-23-16 11:02 AM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis
>>
>> The situation with Curly is getting a bit more complicated but in a 
>> good way. Her blood work a week ago showed an RBC of 9 which is 
>> critically low. White cell count was 3.1. After one week of 
>> Prednisone her white cell count is 3.7 which is the low end of normal 
>> and her red blood cell count is up to 13 which is still very low but 
>> a very significant increase in just one week. So the Prednisone alone 
>> is making a big difference. We've now had two positive ELISA tests, a 
>> negative IFA and severe anemia that is responding well to just 
>> Prednisone. I am very confused. Even our vet seems surprised by the 
>> sudden improvement in her numbers. He thinks we should do a bone 
>> marrow biopsy for a definitive FELV diagnosis but I don't really want 
>> to put her through that procedure.
>> We did start the Winstrol a day ago so I would think that could only 
>> help more. We should be tapering down the Prednisone dose at this 
>> time but our vet now wants to continue the full dosage for another 
>> two weeks before running another CBC. And the Doxy will be started on 
>> Monday. I'm beginning to think she might pull out of this crisis and 
>> we might have a little more time with her.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Ardy Robertson > wrote:
>> Best of luck to you with Curly ---- just wanted to mention there are 
>> appetite stimulant pills available. One that I remember that I used 
>> with Tigger was Mirtazapine and I only had to give a small part of a 
>> pill every 3 days. Amani knows of another one but I can?t remember 
>> the name of it.
>>
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> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 23:11:07 -0600
> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Aloe Acemannan
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> Tina,
>
> You could ask Diamond Back Drugs in Arizona ? www.diamondbackdrugs.com 
> ? they are a compounding pharmacy, and you can call and get an actual 
> person and ask about it.
>
> Ardy
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> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Tina Terrell
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 7:14 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Aloe Acemannan
>
>
> Hello and Merry Christmas.  I am in need of finding freeze dried 
> acemannan. They have discontinued and it is helping my Charlie leaps 
> and bounds. He has been off of it for 2 weeks and now he is sick with 
> uri. Is steroid and antibiotic typical protocol?  Thanks in advance!
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> From: Margo To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My Location...should you find an open minded
> 	vet...
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> Robert, I saw that you are dealing with a non-regenerative anemia. 
> Isn't that the only use for epo/aranesp? But I only know of it being 
> used when kidney failure has been considered the cause.
> Do you think it would be useful in your situation?
>
> Margo
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Dec 25, 2016 2:32 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Cc: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My Location...should you find an open minded 
>> vet...
>>
>> Thank you Amani and Ardy for thinking of me....?? I am located in a 
>> part of NYS called Southern Orange County... The largest nearby towns 
>> are Middletown, Monroe,Newburgh but I'd be willing to travel a 
>> distance for a chance at a real result ( eg.... The Vet 
>> Opthalmologist I am using is 50 miles away)... NYC is 60 miles from 
>> me.???? Problem is that soon my time availability is going to be 
>> compromised by my need to return to work in order to afford the 
>> basics of life.....? I know for some a few thousand dollars is not 
>> much but for me in retirement it comprises a very large portion of my 
>> living expenses for a few months.... ( I do...after all, have a 
>> couple of needs of my own as well....such as food and gas and a 
>> mortgage to pay? : )
>> Any assistance you could lend would be well appreciated....?? I've 
>> done more than a bit of asking around but am not well connected 
>> enough in this "other" medical world yet to have confidence that I 
>> won't be wasting still more money to hear crap that I already know 10 
>> times over.....? Kind of the same conundrum as my going to a new MD 
>> for a drug I've been on for 40 years.... He knows nothing about it 
>> but I need HIS sig to? get it and until he knows me he's not going to 
>> trust that I know what I'm talking about... or if he's really full of 
>> himself may not take the time to listen to whether I even do.... It's 
>> THAT kind of money wasting I am no longer willing to do.... Please 
>> forgive the building frustration but being held captive by someones 
>> prescription pad while their brain is too closed to allow me a chance 
>> at saving my little boy is REALLY working on me....??? Winstrol,Doxy 
>> and Pred in combo don't come near the price of one Bone Marrow 
>> aspiration and are a heck of a lot cheaper than Epopoieten which is 
>> of little use in a non regenerative anemia.... Don't tell me there's 
>> nothing tha you CAN do when it's actually that there is nothing that 
>> you WILL do..... Ok... I'll stop
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org 
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>>>    2. Re: FelV kitten (Amani Oakley)
>>>    3. Aloe Acemannan (Tina Terrell)
>>>    4. Re: FelV kitten (Margo)
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>>> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 05:18:21 +0000
>>> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
>>> [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 58
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>>> Bob
>>>
>>> At 14 haematocrit, you've got a ways to go before your boy is in 
>>> crisis. I know you have tried everything Bob, and you are struggling 
>>> with costs, but if you could find a vet to prescribe the drug 
>>> combination we have discussed, would you do it? It isn?t all that 
>>> expensive really. If you tell me or Ardy directly , where you are 
>>> located, we can try to find a vet through Diamond Back compounding 
>>> pharmacy. I know how attached you are to your little boy, and 
>>> frankly, if he is still eating, I wouldn?t give up on him yet.
>>>
>>> Amani
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>>> Sent: December-24-16 2:54 PM
>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 58
>>>
>>> Amani et al....
>>>
>>> Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated non regenerative anemia 
>>> in a FeLV cat....Got a call on Yogi's? Most Recent Bloodwork and the 
>>> vet states HCT of 14 and non regenerative anemia....? I was taken 
>>> aback and didn't ask nearly enough questions but it was VERY clear 
>>> that she felt it was time to put the little guy down.....?? I am at 
>>> the end of my money at this point and cannot take him to a bunch of 
>>> other vets hoping one will be willing to prescribe the cocktail that 
>>> is showing itself to be effective with others cats...( I don't think 
>>> I am going to get a lot of cooperation from the Vet I was using 
>>> after I gave her my opinion of her unwillingness to help me through 
>>> unconventional means).....Nor can I afford Bone Marrow Biopsies and 
>>> more definitive narrowing of the parameters of his drop in blood 
>>> values ( it's Xmas eve and they are all gone from the office)....?? 
>>> As much as I would like to save this little guy... He has so many 
>>> other things wrong with him that I don't know that I a
>>>  m doing him any favors..... Temp is 104...weight has dropped a full 
>>> pound in the last 6 months.... If it weren't for the fact that he is 
>>> still eating heartily I'd put him down.... Without further treatment 
>>> is it kinder to put him down or allow nature to take it's 
>>> course??.....The idea of him suffering from an inability to get 
>>> enough O2 is unacceptable....
>>> any suggestions are welcome.... but... please...? no admonitions re: 
>>> what I _ should_ do.....??? I have learned an immense amount from 
>>> this experience and will NOT repeat it...? My other boy is still 
>>> doing OK and I WILL find someone eventually that is willing to work 
>>> with me..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 01:00 PM, 
>>> felvtalk-request at felineleukemia.org
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>>>> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:16:02 +0000
>>>> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: 
>>>> [Felvtalk] FW:  FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis
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>>>> Randy
>>>>
>>>> The news is good. Whatever works. I am a big believer in keeping 
>>>> close tabs on the bloodwork and adjusting the medication, depending 
>>>> on what the lab results show.
>>>>
>>>> Given that Curley is eating and you are getting an improvement on 
>>>> the red cells already, I agree that the Winstrol and Doxy should 
>>>> help even more. Keep track of the blood work and adjust 
>>>> accordingly.
>>>>
>>>> Amani
>>>>
>>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Randy Henke
>>>> Sent: December-23-16 11:02 AM
>>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis
>>>>
>>>> The situation with Curly is getting a bit more complicated but in a 
>>>> good way. Her blood work a week ago showed an RBC of 9 which is 
>>>> critically low. White cell count was 3.1. After one week of 
>>>> Prednisone her white cell count is 3.7 which is the low end of 
>>>> normal and her red blood cell count is up to 13 which is still very 
>>>> low but a very significant increase in just one week. So the 
>>>> Prednisone alone is making a big difference. We've now had two 
>>>> positive ELISA tests, a negative IFA and severe anemia that is 
>>>> responding well to just Prednisone. I am very confused. Even our 
>>>> vet seems surprised by the sudden improvement in her numbers. He 
>>>> thinks we should do a bone marrow biopsy for a definitive FELV 
>>>> diagnosis but I don't really want to put her through that 
>>>> procedure.
>>>> We did start the Winstrol a day ago so I would think that could 
>>>> only help more. We should be tapering down the Prednisone dose at 
>>>> this time but our vet now wants to continue the full dosage for 
>>>> another two weeks before running another CBC. And the Doxy will be 
>>>> started on Monday. I'm beginning to think she might pull out of 
>>>> this crisis and we might have a little more time with her.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Ardy Robertson > wrote:
>>>> Best of luck to you with Curly ---- just wanted to mention there 
>>>> are appetite stimulant pills available. One that I remember that I 
>>>> used with Tigger was Mirtazapine and I only had to give a small 
>>>> part of a pill every 3 days. Amani knows of another one but I can?t 
>>>> remember the name of it.
>>>>
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>>> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 05:20:28 +0000
>>> From: Amani Oakley To: "felinerescue at frontier.com" ,
>>> 	"felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV kitten
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>>> Frankly, it is not too late at all for the Winstrol. I have seen it 
>>> pull back cats with a much much lower haematocrit than Robert is 
>>> seeing.
>>>
>>> Amani
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Lorrie
>>> Sent: December-24-16 5:49 PM
>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] FelV kitten
>>>
>>> Robert,  I am so sorry you are going thru this. I have lost many 
>>> kittens who were born with the virus, which they got from their 
>>> mother who was feral. All these precious kittens died at less than a 
>>> year. At first they were so playful and looked so healthy I thought 
>>> the two tests I'd had were surely wrong, but at 8 months I started 
>>> to lose them one by one.  The 4th and last (my favorite) made it to 
>>> 11 months. I was devastated.
>>>
>>> On the other hand I have had several older cats at my sanctuary who 
>>> must have contracted the virus when older.  One died suddenly at 7 
>>> years old and the other is now 8 years old, and she has never been 
>>> sick. You never know what will happen.
>>> If you had started your little guy on Winstrol a few weeks ago it 
>>> might have saved his life, but it is probably too late now.
>>> I just wanted to tell you I am so sorry, and I know what you are 
>>> going thru.
>>>
>>> Lorrie with 13 rescued cats at home and 32 in my sanctuary.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12-24, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
>>>> Amani et al....
>>>>
>>>> Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated non regenerative 
>>>> anemia in a FeLV cat....Got a call on Yogi's? Most Recent Bloodwork 
>>>> and the vet states HCT of 14 and non regenerative anemia....? I was 
>>>> taken aback and didn't ask nearly enough questions but it was VERY 
>>>> clear that she felt it was time to put the little guy down.....?? I 
>>>> am at the end of my money at this point and cannot take him to a 
>>>> bunch of other vets hoping one will be willing to prescribe the 
>>>> cocktail that is showing itself to be effective with others 
>>>> cats...( I don't think I am going to get a lot of cooperation from 
>>>> the Vet I was using after I gave her my opinion of her 
>>>> unwillingness to help me through unconventional means).....Nor can 
>>>> I afford Bone Marrow Biopsies and more definitive narrowing of the 
>>>> parameters of his drop in blood values ( it's Xmas eve and they are 
>>>> all gone from the office)....?? As much as I would like to save 
>>>> this little guy... He has so many other things wrong with him that 
>>>> I don't know that I am doing him any favors..... Temp is 
>>>> 104...weight has dropped a full pound in the last 6 months.... If 
>>>> it weren't for the fact that he is still eating heartily I'd put 
>>>> him down.... Without further treatment is it kinder to put him down 
>>>> or allow nature to take it's course??.....The idea of him suffering 
>>>> from an inability to get enough O2 is unacceptable....
>>>> any suggestions are welcome.... but... please...? no admonitions 
>>>> re: what I _ should_ do.....??? I have learned an immense amount 
>>>> from this experience and will NOT repeat it...? My other boy is 
>>>> still doing OK and I WILL find someone eventually that is willing 
>>>> to work with me..
>>>>
>>>
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>>> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 07:14:03 -0600
>>> From: Tina Terrell To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Aloe Acemannan
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> Hello and Merry Christmas.  I am in need of finding freeze dried 
>>> acemannan.
>>> They have discontinued and it is helping my Charlie leaps and 
>>> bounds. He
>>> has been off of it for 2 weeks and now he is sick with uri. Is 
>>> steroid and
>>> antibiotic typical protocol?  Thanks in advance!
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>>> From: Margo To: felinerescue at frontier.com, 
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>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV kitten
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>>>  Lorrie wrote "If you had started your little guy on Winstrol a few 
>>> weeks ago it
>>> might have saved his life, but it is probably too late now."
>>>
>>> And it might have done nothing. Th young ones seem to have little in 
>>> reserve to let them fight the disease. No point in second-guessing 
>>> what might have been, it can only be hurtful. If you can't find a 
>>> Vet that will cooperate, there's not much that can be done by a 
>>> lay-person, except to love them and do the best you can with what 
>>> you have available.
>>>
>>> Margo
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>>>> From: Lorrie Sent: Dec 24, 2016 5:49 PM
>>>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] FelV kitten
>>>>
>>>> Robert,  I am so sorry you are going thru this. I have lost many
>>>> kittens who were born with the virus, which they got from their
>>>> mother who was feral. All these precious kittens died at less than 
>>>> a
>>>> year.  At first they were so playful and looked so healthy I 
>>>> thought
>>>> the two tests I'd had were surely wrong, but at 8 months I started 
>>>> to
>>>> lose them one by one.  The 4th and last (my favorite) made it to 11
>>>> months.  I was devastated.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand I have had several older cats at my sanctuary who 
>>>> must have contracted the virus when older.  One died suddenly at 7 
>>>> years
>>>> old and the other is now 8 years old, and she has never been sick. 
>>>> You never know what will happen.
>>>> If you had started your little guy on Winstrol a few weeks ago it
>>>> might have saved his life, but it is probably too late now.
>>>> I just wanted to tell you I am so sorry, and I know what you are
>>>> going thru.
>>>>
>>>> Lorrie with 13 rescued cats at home and 32 in my sanctuary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12-24, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
>>>>> Amani et al....
>>>>>
>>>>> Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated non regenerative 
>>>>> anemia in a FeLV cat....Got a call on Yogi's? Most Recent 
>>>>> Bloodwork and the vet states HCT of 14 and non regenerative 
>>>>> anemia....? I was taken aback and didn't ask nearly enough 
>>>>> questions but it was VERY clear that she felt it was time to put 
>>>>> the little guy down.....?? I am at the end of my money at this 
>>>>> point and cannot take him to a bunch of other vets hoping one will 
>>>>> be willing to prescribe the cocktail that is showing itself to be 
>>>>> effective with others cats...( I don't think I am going to get a 
>>>>> lot of cooperation from the Vet I was using after I gave her my 
>>>>> opinion of her unwillingness to help me through unconventional 
>>>>> means).....Nor can I afford Bone Marrow Biopsies and more 
>>>>> definitive narrowing of the parameters of his drop in blood values 
>>>>> ( it's Xmas eve and they are all gone from the office)....?? As 
>>>>> much as I would like to save this little guy... He has so many 
>>>>> other things wrong with him that I don't know that I am doing him 
>>>>> any favors..... Temp is 104...weight has dropped a full pound in 
>>>>> the last 6 months.... If it weren't for the fact that he is still 
>>>>> eating heartily I'd put him down.... Without further treatment is 
>>>>> it kinder to put him down or allow nature to take it's 
>>>>> course??.....The idea of him suffering from an inability to get 
>>>>> enough O2 is unacceptable....
>>>>> any suggestions are welcome.... but... please...? no admonitions 
>>>>> re: what I _ should_ do.....??? I have learned an immense amount 
>>>>> from this experience and will NOT repeat it...? My other boy is 
>>>>> still doing OK and I WILL find someone eventually that is willing 
>>>>> to work with me..
>>>>>
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