[Felvtalk] Bogey, Temptations and Lipidosis...

Sun Dec 18 10:10:55 CST 2016

Thank you Robert. I had never given any of my cats these treats before.
One of my other cats lived to be 21, another 17, and I am feeling a little
bad that I didn¹t EVER give them any of these. Bogey actually started
eating and drinking better on her own after having a couple the
Temptations.I almost tried one to see what the fuss is all about. I read
somewhere that someone described them as ³crack for cats². What ever they
have in there, Bogey loves.

Bogey is tiny. She weighed 4.8 pounds, if I remember correctly, when we
got her diagnosis in August. She got up to 6.5 before all of this. I think
when they weighed her last week and she was 5.5. So maybe not the
Lipidosis. Whatever it was came on suddenly. I check her gums every day.
One day they were looking very good, the next day they were gold. (yellow)

I wonder the same thing. She is not a cuddler. She likes to wrestle with
the dog. Do non human related activities. But she has been different
through this illness. Wants to be within sight of me or curled up on me.
She can¹t climb up her condo to lay and watch the bird feeders so I moved
a buffet table in there and put her in her carrier on top of it so she can
see out. I can here her in there purring pretty loudly. I think she is
saying thanks. :-)

Good luck with Yogi¹s eyes!

On 12/18/16, 4:29 AM, "Felvtalk on behalf of ROBERT CHAPEL"
<felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org on behalf of bchapel at optonline.net>
wrote:

>I don't ever assume there is anything truly amiss with either of my boys
>appetites UNTIL they won't eat Temptations Chicken Treats....   I am
>certain that whatever they put in those things would be illegal in the
>Human World....  It's bizarre... my cats will take them over ACTUAL
>chicken...     They contain very little that I would want my cats eating
>as a significant part of their diet but each gets a least 10 of them
>each day ( Yogi...as a reward for being a good boy with the ridiculous
>number of meds I have to  give him to try to get his eyes functional
>again... and my other boy " Jelly "... so that he doesn't simply push
>Yogi out of the way and eat his treats....
>
>I don't recall if you had mentioned Bogey's weight??   Lipidosis is far
>more common with overweight cats than proper or underweight felines (
>otherwise every feral that does not have access to a reliable food
>source would be suffering the disease).....   I'm sorry your little one
>has had so many issues... but... with your help and persistent attention
>he appears to keep bouncing back....  It's very heartening...
>
>I don't know if our little "charges" appreciate what we do for them but
>I like to think that they somehow realize that their lives became quite
>a bit safer and more comfortable since making our acquaintance  : )
>
>
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>> Sherri ? she?ll be fine without the Winstrol and Doxy for a week. The
>> Winstrol is much more long acting than that. She might be down a few
>> points on her haematocrit or red cell counts, but as I indicated, she
>> has a significant cushion on her numbers, so I wouldn?t be concerned.
>>
>> Re the hearing loss, even if she can hear that doesn?t mean that there
>> isn?t damage to the ear. It isn?t the hearing component that causes
>> vertigo when it is damaged.
>>
>> You are being impatient! Last week, you thought she was going to die.
>> This week you have to beat her off with a stick so she doesn?t eat all
>> the Temptations. She is fine, and your vet will be happy since it
>> sounds like he too thought there was nothing to be done for her. As
>> for the Temptations, my cats LOVE them and I wouldn?t be without them
>> (no matter how good or bad they may be ? it would be like saying no
>> more ice cream ever because it is OBVIOUSLY bad for us).
>>
>> Amani
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of Sherri Godschalk
>> Sent: December-17-16 5:34 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey - Is this hepatic lipidosis - concerns
>>
>> As always Amani, thanks for the reply. I am always impatient about
>> these things I know. She was very sick and doubt that I would be back
>> to normal after one week either. She can hear because she responds
>> sometimes, but sometimes she doesn?t. Hopefully since her numbers were
>> not through the ceiling this will resolve with time and love. I don?t
>> think she is in pain, she is letting me pet her ears and the dog has
>> been grooming her there and she doesn?t seem to mind. just kind of out
>> of it. She is better after resting so I have been not waking her to
>> eat since she is doing plenty of that now. I have given her a couple
>> of Temptations treats. The beef flavor. She wants more and I think she
>> would eat the whole bag. (I saw her trying to get the bag open today)
>> I have read good and bad things about them. Do you have an opinion?
>>
>> We go back in on Tuesday for blood tests. Am wondering how she is
>> doing not being on the Winstrol, doxy or pred for over a week. I will
>> let you all know. Thanks again for helping us through this tough time.
>>
>> From: Felvtalk > on behalf of Amani Oakley >
>> Reply-To: >
>> Date: Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 4:50 PM
>> To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" >
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey - Is this hepatic lipidosis - concerns
>>
>> Sherri
>>
>> High levels of jaundice (bilirubin) can cause brain damage and hearing
>> loss (ear damage) if left untreated for too long, but I think you were
>> on top of things pretty quickly with Bogey. I think the effects will
>> fade with time. Do not be too concerned. Every other parameter looks
>> very good. And yes, it could also be that the electrolytes like
>> potassium are still a bit off, but that too will correct on its own
>> with food and fluid intake. Remember also that whatever initially
>> caused the jaundice, if it was indeed some sort of additive to the
>> salmon, may still be having an effect. Again, with everything else
>> looking so good, it will wash out eventually. There may be some
>> residual effect, and I am actually wondering if it is ear damage
>> (because with damage to the ears, this can effect equilibrium and
>> cause vertigo). It may not resolve completely but I would expect some
>> further improvement.
>>
>> Just keep up your excellent babying skills.
>>
>> Amani
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of Sherri Godschalk
>> Sent: December-17-16 2:13 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey - Is this hepatic lipidosis - concerns
>>
>> Gees, my poor baby. I wonder if she slowed so much in her diet last
>> week that she got hepatic lipidosis. Been reading about it this
>> morning and her symptoms were awfully similar.
>>
>> The best day so far for her. Eating great on her own, all bodily
>> functions aok. Drinking a lot. Maybe too much? I gave her that Fancy
>> Feast gravy yesterday watered down and she did have some diarrhea but
>> it is getting better. Just too rich I think. Jaundice is very light
>> now. Gums and nose are pink. She even played some.
>>
>> All these things are so wonderful. But when she tries to sit still,
>> she rocks or sways some. Even walking or standing over her dish she is
>> struggling with her balance. It is like her world is spinning faster
>> or something. She knows her name and where everything is. She
>> sometimes stares at a blank wall almost like in a trance. I have had
>> to blockade all the staircases, her condo and such because she wants
>> to use them and she would fall for sure if she had access. Her gait
>> has improved but really this is a little scary.
>>
>> Was curious if I might need to still be giving her Pedialyte. Her
>> potassium was on the low side on the 12th and they didn?t recheck when
>> they released her. With all that IV fluid and this water she is
>> getting, do you think she could still technically be dehydrated? Moist
>> gums, skin snaps back. Just wondering what you all thought.
>>
>> If not that, could it be vertigo or something? She isn?t nauseous ,
>> although I would be. Good appetite.
>>
>> Sorry for all the questions but I am worried about her neurological
>> status. And was wondering if any of you had gone through this with
>> your babies.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Sherri
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