[Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 19
ROBERT CHAPEL
bchapel at optonline.net
Fri Dec 16 14:51:09 CST 2016
Randy .....
I wouldn't be so quick to rush to judgement about those who put their
animals down when they become seriously ill... there are fiscal concerns
to be considered and not everyone has the " hundreds of thousands of
dollars" to put into uninsurable cats.... My two FeLV cats have are
wiping me out fiscally.... literally , every penny I had saved for MY
extra's in retirement are gone and I can't EVEN go back to work because
one requires medicine 4 times a day..... When humans get terribly ill,
more often than not there is insurance to lighten the fiscal load AND a
host of service givers who will come to the house to care for them at
rates FAR more reasonable than what pet care providers charge ( an
outrageously overpriced "cottage" industry)...... My own plans for my
retirement have been, in no uncertain terms, utterly destroyed... I have
no partner.... I have no kids, I have no friends that are as attached to
animals as I am who support me in my( thus far) willingness TO sacrifice
my retirment to the welfare of these precious little creatures whose
welfare I take very seriously....BUT... I am going to reach a point
where I simply canNOT do it anymore and I really do NOT appreciate being
regarded as Heartless,cold and selfish if I decide that I have reached
this point before I no longer have the means to support MYself......
I've shed more tears over these cats ( and other unlucky creatures) than
I care to remember and it will CRUSH me to put either of them down....
but If I'm not fiscally viable I won't even be able to maintain a
household that would allow me to FOSTER cats in the future....
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> 1. Re: For all the kind souls who care so much
> (dlgegg at windstream.net)
> 2. Re: FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
> (dlgegg at windstream.net)
> 3. Re: FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat (Ardy
> Robertson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:43:48 -0600
> From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For all the kind souls who care so much
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> my neighbors all think I am crazy also, in fact they call me the crazy
> cat lady. one even said all catsd and stray dogs are good for is
> target practice and I told himstay away from my house or he will end
> up on the ground beside my cats.
>
> You do what gives you pleasure and caring for our cats gives pleasure.
> the love they give us can not be measured and being alone at 76, i
> think i would loose my sanity if they were not here to give me love
> and companship.
>
> ---- Randy Henke wrote:
>> I am new to this mailing list, our precious cat, Curly, having been
>> just
>> recently diagnosed with FELV but already quite sick twice and just
>> beginning to rally (fingers crossed) from her second bout with severe
>> anemia and leukopenia.
>>
>> I just wanted to say how much I admire every one of you here who go
>> to such
>> great lengths for their pets, nursing them back from the brink time
>> and
>> again, spending hundreds or thousands of dollars for treatment after
>> treatment to give them as much time with us as we possibly can.
>>
>> My wife and I are both surrounded by friends and co-workers who think
>> we
>> are fools for caring so much about an animal. They ask why we are so
>> melancholy and then look at us with disbelief when we tell them the
>> reason.
>> Their philosophy is to take good care of their pets but when they get
>> seriously ill, it's time to put them down and move on.
>>
>> To me, such thinking could only come from cold, heartless and selfish
>> individuals. Sometimes I actually envy them because life would be so
>> much
>> easier if I could think like they do. But I can't and I won't. Just
>> because
>> a family member has four legs instead of two doesn't diminish their
>> worth
>> nor does it detract from their will to live. We do them an egregious
>> disservice by shortening their lives when there are still viable
>> options on
>> the table that can provide additional months or even weeks of quality
>> life.
>>
>> The devotion and empathy that you people have for your cats is so
>> touching
>> to me that I am sitting here right now crying.
>>
>> God bless every one of you.
>>
>> Randy
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:46:23 -0600
> From: To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
> Message-ID: <20161215224623.G3N3V.7100.root at pamxwww03-z01>
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> My vet even gave me a bag os saline and now I can start the fluids
> when necessary. I just call for a fresh bag.
>
> ---- Amani Oakley wrote:
>> Sherri
>>
>> Even without the issue of jaundice, if Bogey is dehydrated, the urine
>> will be darker.
>>
>> Sherri, do you know how to give subcutaneous fluids? It is very easy.
>> Perhaps ask your vet to show you how. You just lift the loose skin at
>> the back of the neck, and you inject or run fluids into that gap
>> under the skin, behind the neck. The body will absorb the fluids as
>> needed, so there is virtually no risk of giving too much fluid ? any
>> excess fluid is just peed out.
>>
>> It is a life-saving technique that I wouldn?t be without. I always
>> keep several bags of fluid in the house (ringer?s lactate/saline/5%
>> dextrose ? I hang onto any bags I can get) for use in an emergency. A
>> droopy cat will often respond immediately and miraculously to
>> subcutaneous fluids ? usually saline or the ringer?s lactate.
>>
>> Amani
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of Sherri Godschalk
>> Sent: December-15-16 5:49 PM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
>>
>> Well I cannot seem to find anything that she will voluntarily drink.
>> I think chicken broth is next. She groomed herself some today. But
>> the last time she urinated it had started to turn more orange. Maybe
>> this is expected? She does have more bounce in her step. Walking
>> straighter lines and less wobbly. She is fighting me feeding her
>> which is more her style. She meowed at me today when I called her
>> name. What a wonderful sound that was.
>>
>> From: Felvtalk > on behalf of Amani Oakley >
>> Reply-To: >
>> Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:04 AM
>> To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" >
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
>>
>> You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it
>> around.
>>
>> Amani
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of Sherri Godschalk
>> Sent: December-15-16 8:13 AM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
>>
>> Hi Amani. This morning?s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up
>> some baby food today. She isn?t refusing to eat. She just is really
>> too weak. If I hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does
>> great. Almost a half of a 5.5 oz can already today. She has not
>> vomited. I thought about milk but she has yet to have a bowel
>> movement and I didn?t want to constipate her more. I think I will
>> offer her some at next feeding. I drink whole milk so I think I will
>> pick up some Whiskas today too.
>>
>> I was surprised that the vet told me to start the Winstrol again so
>> soon. I thought that was not a good plan.
>>
>> Thanks for the input Amani.
>>
>> From: Felvtalk > on behalf of Amani Oakley >
>> Reply-To: >
>> Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM
>> To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org" >
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
>>
>> Sherri
>>
>> There isn?t any hurry to get her back on the Winstrol. I would wait.
>> Her haematology numbers give you quite a significant cushion to rely
>> upon. Winstrol likely strains the liver, so you want the liver to
>> rest for a while.
>>
>> It sounds like she is better, though. I recommend baby food, which
>> you can syringe feed into her. Keep up the feeding. It is good that
>> the first urine was orange but the next wasn?t. She is hopefully
>> clearing out the bilirubin. I think fluids are important to help with
>> that, too. Have you tried some very diluted milk or some Whiskas
>> milk? That might encourage her to drink some more.
>>
>> Amani
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of Sherri Godschalk
>> Sent: December-15-16 7:42 AM
>> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
>>
>> Just a little update for any of you following Bogey?s progress here
>> or others who find these posts helpful.
>>
>> First day home from hospital. She of course wasn?t interested in
>> eating. But I would sit with her and she would lick Hill?s L/d and
>> a/d from my finger. She ate over a full can total. Every hour or so I
>> gave her about a tablespoon. Alternating between the two. I also am
>> giving her water and a few drops of Pedialite each time. The first
>> time she urinated it was very orange about 2 pm. She didn?t urinate
>> again until last night around 10 and was clear. She actually went to
>> her water dish last night and took a couple of laps. She is still
>> weak and wobbly. But she know where things are. Still seems out of it
>> though. I doubt that she slept at all while in the hospital so I am
>> just letting her rest. She is curled up on a bean bag chair right now
>> with a heating pad on her.
>>
>> She isn?t suffering or getting worse.
>>
>> I have yet to start her back on the Winstrol but may do that today if
>> the jaundice continues to show improvement. Might make her feel
>> stronger.
>>
>> Thanks for reading.
>>
>> Sherri
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 22:17:12 -0600
> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW:
> Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
> Message-ID: <000001d25753$481f2b30$d85d8190$@centurytel.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Another suggestion on getting a cat to drink??clam juice in a bottle.
> When my kitties were sick one winter they would not drink anything,
> and I had to get sub-q fluids at the vet?s. I can?t seem to handle
> giving the fluids myself. Anyway the clam juice has a fishy smell and
> they seem to love it. My older cat drinks too much of it and sometimes
> throws up but now I don?t give her that much. I also keep some on hand
> for a treat ? we call it a kitty cocktail. The juice from tuna in
> water is another option.
>
>
> Good luck with Bogey,
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Amani Oakley
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:32 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
>
>
> Sherri
>
>
> Even without the issue of jaundice, if Bogey is dehydrated, the urine
> will be darker.
>
>
> Sherri, do you know how to give subcutaneous fluids? It is very easy.
> Perhaps ask your vet to show you how. You just lift the loose skin at
> the back of the neck, and you inject or run fluids into that gap under
> the skin, behind the neck. The body will absorb the fluids as needed,
> so there is virtually no risk of giving too much fluid ? any excess
> fluid is just peed out.
>
>
> It is a life-saving technique that I wouldn?t be without. I always
> keep several bags of fluid in the house (ringer?s lactate/saline/5%
> dextrose ? I hang onto any bags I can get) for use in an emergency. A
> droopy cat will often respond immediately and miraculously to
> subcutaneous fluids ? usually saline or the ringer?s lactate.
>
>
> Amani
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Sherri Godschalk
> Sent: December-15-16 5:49 PM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW:
> Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
>
>
> Well I cannot seem to find anything that she will voluntarily drink. I
> think chicken broth is next. She groomed herself some today. But the
> last time she urinated it had started to turn more orange. Maybe this
> is expected? She does have more bounce in her step. Walking straighter
> lines and less wobbly. She is fighting me feeding her which is more
> her style. She meowed at me today when I called her name. What a
> wonderful sound that was.
>
>
> From: Felvtalk > on behalf of Amani Oakley >
> Reply-To: >
> Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:04 AM
> To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org " >
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
>
>
> You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it
> around.
>
> Amani
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Sherri Godschalk
> Sent: December-15-16 8:13 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW:
> Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
>
>
> Hi Amani. This morning?s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up
> some baby food today. She isn?t refusing to eat. She just is really
> too weak. If I hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does
> great. Almost a half of a 5.5 oz can already today. She has not
> vomited. I thought about milk but she has yet to have a bowel movement
> and I didn?t want to constipate her more. I think I will offer her
> some at next feeding. I drink whole milk so I think I will pick up
> some Whiskas today too.
>
>
> I was surprised that the vet told me to start the Winstrol again so
> soon. I thought that was not a good plan.
>
> Thanks for the input Amani.
>
>
> From: Felvtalk > on behalf of Amani Oakley >
> Reply-To: >
> Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM
> To: "felvtalk at felineleukemia.org " >
> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
>
>
> Sherri
>
>
> There isn?t any hurry to get her back on the Winstrol. I would wait.
> Her haematology numbers give you quite a significant cushion to rely
> upon. Winstrol likely strains the liver, so you want the liver to rest
> for a while.
>
> It sounds like she is better, though. I recommend baby food, which you
> can syringe feed into her. Keep up the feeding. It is good that the
> first urine was orange but the next wasn?t. She is hopefully clearing
> out the bilirubin. I think fluids are important to help with that,
> too. Have you tried some very diluted milk or some Whiskas milk? That
> might encourage her to drink some more.
>
>
> Amani
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Sherri Godschalk
> Sent: December-15-16 7:42 AM
> To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on
> Bogey My FELV + Cat
>
>
> Just a little update for any of you following Bogey?s progress here or
> others who find these posts helpful.
>
>
> First day home from hospital. She of course wasn?t interested in
> eating. But I would sit with her and she would lick Hill?s L/d and a/d
> from my finger. She ate over a full can total. Every hour or so I gave
> her about a tablespoon. Alternating between the two. I also am giving
> her water and a few drops of Pedialite each time. The first time she
> urinated it was very orange about 2 pm. She didn?t urinate again until
> last night around 10 and was clear. She actually went to her water
> dish last night and took a couple of laps. She is still weak and
> wobbly. But she know where things are. Still seems out of it though. I
> doubt that she slept at all while in the hospital so I am just letting
> her rest. She is curled up on a bean bag chair right now with a
> heating pad on her.
>
>
> She isn?t suffering or getting worse.
>
>
> I have yet to start her back on the Winstrol but may do that today if
> the jaundice continues to show improvement. Might make her feel
> stronger.
>
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
>
> Sherri
>
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